Re: [TUHS] Re: symbols in eqnchar

2023-07-04 Thread Damian McGuckin



Some of the symbols in this file are obviously copyright to AT+T

Some will be groff special characters.

How do I

a)  grab some out of the original

b)  re-write some for groff

c)  bury them in tmac/eqnrc

and handle the copyright notice.

For now I was just going to use

defines

and not a tdefine/ndefine mix.

Thanks - Damian

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Re: Branch deri-gropdf-ng available for testing

2023-07-04 Thread Oliver Corff

Hi Deri,

looks like a dream come true! Thank you!

Best,

Oliver.


On 04/07/2023 18:20, Deri wrote:

I have pushed a new git branch containing the fruits of the last few months
work. The attached pdf summarises the main changes.

If you wish to test, particularly if you regularly use fonts which are not the
standard 35 fonts. I would be very happy if you find any problems. You should
be able to build it by doing a git checkout deri-gropdf-ng (after a git pull)
before the usual configure and make. I always use a separate build directory,
in tree builds haven't been tested. Then you can use the test-groff command to
do your testing.

I'd like to thank Koichi Kubo for his help, encouragement, much testing and
coding help.

Cheers

Deri

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Mail:oliver.co...@email.de


Re: groff Digest, Vol 225, Issue 5

2023-07-04 Thread Douglas McIlroy
> Some of the symbols in this file are obviously copyright to AT+T

No worry. The US Supreme Court has declared (in Google LLC v Oracle)
that APIs can be freely copied. The fact that some of your defines may
look like a paraphrase of AT&T almost certainly reflects the
exculpatory fact that most reasonable people  would likely implement
the API that way regardless of whether they had seen AT&T's source.

Doug

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> Some of you might be interested in a note from today's Tex Users
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> Nelson Beebe reports a recently uncovered large Bell Labs
> bibliography about Unix spanning 1972 to 1980.  It is
> available at https://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/unix.bib.
> There is a SQLite3 version of the bibliography at
> https://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/unix.db.  See
> https://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/talks/#2009 for the
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> There are numerous references to nroff and troff in it.
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> Part of my interest in this comes from just having finished
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> .. and I fall short of that.
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> As I read this symbol, it is a minus sign with a wiggle or tilde on top.
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> The only copy of eqnchar that I have says this is the \(~= sign which
> is the groff \[~=] which is two tilde's, one on top of the other.
>
> I thought that -wig was supposed to be a minus sign with a tilde on top,
> what groff calls \[|=].
>
> Similarly, an equals sign with a tilde on top is what groff calls \[=~].
> We could call it =wig.
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> Thanks - Damian
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> > What is the name of the mathematic symbols
>
> Here are some readings, not exactly names
>
> incl   (used with partial orderings) is included in, or is less than
> |>  is not greater than
> |<  is not less than
>  >wig
> wigis approximately, or asymptotically approaches
> ~wig  is approximately
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> Doug
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Re: groff Digest, Vol 225, Issue 5

2023-07-04 Thread Damian McGuckin

On Tue, 4 Jul 2023, Douglas McIlroy wrote:


Some of the symbols in this file are obviously copyright to AT+T


No worry. The US Supreme Court has declared (in Google LLC v Oracle)
that APIs can be freely copied. The fact that some of your defines may
look like a paraphrase of AT&T almost certainly reflects the
exculpatory fact that most reasonable people  would likely implement
the API that way regardless of whether they had seen AT&T's source.


Thanks Doug

- Damian

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Re: [TUHS] Re: symbols in eqnchar

2023-07-04 Thread Damian McGuckin



Should I advocate for the 'eqnchar' symbols to be automatically included 
at 'eqn' startup. After all, namespace pollution for those who need none 
of those symbols is a bad thing.


But, providing an updated list of such definitions in a file name like

/usr/local/share/groff/site-tmac/eqnchar

is a long file name.

Should I include better definitions for things like

therefore instead of thf?

and so on and

exists instead of oppE?

Thanks - Damian