Re: Update to Firefox Hello Privacy Notice
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 12:14 AM, el...@mozilla.com wrote: * **Analytics & Optimization**: If you do not want data about your interaction with Hello to be collected by Google Analytics, you can install the Google Analytics Opt-out Browser Add-on. The add-on keeps your visits anonymous and prohibits data transmission to Google Analytics. If you do not want data about your interaction with Hello to be collected by Optimizely, you can opt-out by visiting Optimizely's opt-out website for more information. Shouldn't "Do Not Track" be enough? Or at least "Tracking Protection", if enabled? ___ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
Re: Update to Firefox Hello Privacy Notice
Hi > * **Analytics & Optimization**: If you do not want data about your > interaction with > Hello to be collected by Google Analytics, you can install the Google > Analytics > Opt-out Browser Add-on. The add-on keeps your visits anonymous and prohibits > data transmission to Google Analytics. If you do not want data about your > interaction with Hello to be collected by Optimizely, you can opt-out by > visiting Optimizely's opt-out website for more information. Users have to install an add-on and visit a website to opt-out? This is ridiculous. If a user says 'no' to Telemetry in the Browser options, it should be switched off *in the Browser*. > > You can also see the changes to the privacy policy on Github[4], which we are > targeting for November 30, and we look forward to any feedback you might have. > > Thanks, > Elvin > > [1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox-hello/ > [2] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.governance/xs7Sfyxc4As > [3] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/websites/ > [4] > https://github.com/mozilla/legal-docs/commit/c7535610c36e59d048d5138861058174c77755df > ___ > governance mailing list > governance@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance ___ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
Re: Update to Firefox Hello Privacy Notice
AFAIK Google Analytics snippet code is non-free so this would not align with Mozilla's manifesto if its being shipped as part of the binary in Firefox. Can you clarify on how this is implemented and whether non-free code is being shipped with Firefox? Either way I share others concerns that this seems like a invasion of user privacy and contrary to Mozilla's marketing campaigns which suggest it is a champion of user privacy and user choice. Opt-out is not user choice. On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:14 PM, wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We would like to update our Privacy Notice for Firefox Hello[1], to > reflect our usage of Google Analytics and Optimizely for analytics and > inform users how to opt-out. Our use of these analytics was already part of > our Privacy Notice for all Mozilla websites[2][3], but we wanted to make it > clear that this included Firefox Hello. We also wanted to make sure users > were provided notice of the opt-out mechanisms for each. Below is the > language that we are adding: > > * **Analytics**: We may also use cookies and third party services to help > us understand in the aggregate how users engage with Hello. We use: > > * Google Analytics, which places a cookie on your device, to obtain > metrics on how users engage with Hello. This helps us to improve the Hello > service. > > * Optimizely, which places a cookie on your device, to help us test > variations of Hello. This helps us offer better experiences to Hello users. > > --- > > You can control individual cookie preferences and opt-out of web analytics > and > optimization tools. Learn More > > * **Cookie History**: You can accept or decline individual cookies in the > preferences > in the appropriate settings within your web browser. For Firefox, this can > be > found in the Tools/Options/Privacy history section. Note that certain > features > of Hello may not function properly without the aid of cookies. > > * **Analytics & Optimization**: If you do not want data about your > interaction with > Hello to be collected by Google Analytics, you can install the Google > Analytics > Opt-out Browser Add-on. The add-on keeps your visits anonymous and > prohibits > data transmission to Google Analytics. If you do not want data about your > interaction with Hello to be collected by Optimizely, you can opt-out by > visiting Optimizely's opt-out website for more information. > > You can also see the changes to the privacy policy on Github[4], which we > are targeting for November 30, and we look forward to any feedback you > might have. > > Thanks, > Elvin > > [1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox-hello/ > [2] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.governance/xs7Sfyxc4As > [3] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/websites/ > [4] > https://github.com/mozilla/legal-docs/commit/c7535610c36e59d048d5138861058174c77755df > ___ > governance mailing list > governance@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance > -- Benjamin Kerensa http://benjaminkerensa.com ___ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
Re: Update to Firefox Hello Privacy Notice
Oh and just to add "but we wanted to make it clear that this included Firefox Hello" so legal team is disclosing to the end user after a feature is already live? How is this responsible disclosure to let a user know after the fact that you have added a tracking feature to Firefox that they have to opt-out of? On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:14 PM, wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We would like to update our Privacy Notice for Firefox Hello[1], to > reflect our usage of Google Analytics and Optimizely for analytics and > inform users how to opt-out. Our use of these analytics was already part of > our Privacy Notice for all Mozilla websites[2][3], but we wanted to make it > clear that this included Firefox Hello. We also wanted to make sure users > were provided notice of the opt-out mechanisms for each. Below is the > language that we are adding: > > * **Analytics**: We may also use cookies and third party services to help > us understand in the aggregate how users engage with Hello. We use: > > * Google Analytics, which places a cookie on your device, to obtain > metrics on how users engage with Hello. This helps us to improve the Hello > service. > > * Optimizely, which places a cookie on your device, to help us test > variations of Hello. This helps us offer better experiences to Hello users. > > --- > > You can control individual cookie preferences and opt-out of web analytics > and > optimization tools. Learn More > > * **Cookie History**: You can accept or decline individual cookies in the > preferences > in the appropriate settings within your web browser. For Firefox, this can > be > found in the Tools/Options/Privacy history section. Note that certain > features > of Hello may not function properly without the aid of cookies. > > * **Analytics & Optimization**: If you do not want data about your > interaction with > Hello to be collected by Google Analytics, you can install the Google > Analytics > Opt-out Browser Add-on. The add-on keeps your visits anonymous and > prohibits > data transmission to Google Analytics. If you do not want data about your > interaction with Hello to be collected by Optimizely, you can opt-out by > visiting Optimizely's opt-out website for more information. > > You can also see the changes to the privacy policy on Github[4], which we > are targeting for November 30, and we look forward to any feedback you > might have. > > Thanks, > Elvin > > [1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox-hello/ > [2] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.governance/xs7Sfyxc4As > [3] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/websites/ > [4] > https://github.com/mozilla/legal-docs/commit/c7535610c36e59d048d5138861058174c77755df > ___ > governance mailing list > governance@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance > -- Benjamin Kerensa ___ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
Re: Update to Firefox Hello Privacy Notice
On Tuesday, 24 November 2015 10:15:06 UTC, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: > Hi > > > * **Analytics & Optimization**: If you do not want data about your > > interaction with > > Hello to be collected by Google Analytics, you can install the Google > > Analytics > > Opt-out Browser Add-on. The add-on keeps your visits anonymous and prohibits > > data transmission to Google Analytics. If you do not want data about your > > interaction with Hello to be collected by Optimizely, you can opt-out by > > visiting Optimizely's opt-out website for more information. > > Users have to install an add-on and visit a website to opt-out? This is > ridiculous. > > If a user says 'no' to Telemetry in the Browser options, it should be > switched off *in the Browser*. Thomas pretty much sums up all logical thoughts. If it's impossible to collect the data required through Telemetry, then there's a good reason to extend the capabilities of Telemetry. In that light, it should also be noted that some users are happy to send usage data to Mozilla but not to third-party sources. ___ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
Re: Update to Firefox Hello Privacy Notice
There are some good points being made in this thread. There is also one very understandable, innocent misconception about what these clauses apply to. Hopefully, clearing up this misconception can lead to a more focused, productive conversation. Hello is a real-time communication product. When in use, there are always two parties involved. One party uses a client that is built into Firefox; that user generates a link and sends it to the other party. The other party clicks on this link (in Chrome, Opera, Firefox, etc.), which loads a web-based Hello client. So there's a built-in client and a web client. Google Analytics and Optimizely run on the Hello web client, which is a Mozilla web property. They do not run as part of the built-in client that is a part of Firefox. -- Adam Roach Principal Platform Engineer a...@mozilla.com +1 650 903 0800 x863 ___ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
New module owner/peer for Firefox OS::Gaia:::Music
Hello everyone, To reflect the current status of the Music app, I'd like to add a new module co-owner (Justin D'Arcangelo) and a new peer (Hubert Figuiere). Both have been instrumental in updating/rewriting the Music app as part of the NGA effort. Justin will own the submodule with me, focusing primarily on the front-end of the app, while Hub will go-to person for everything about our test suites. Now is also a good time for me to thank them for their efforts in getting NGA Music into a landable state and continuing to improve it, so: thank you! Does anyone have any objections to the above? In the interests of expedience, I've already updated the wiki. - Jim ___ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
