Re: [Reps-General] Words from a Mozillian Part II
> We have seen volunteers & Staffs leaving Mozilla and joining organizations > that totally opposes the Mozilla mission, I have a pretty strong reaction to that statement. As a former paid-staff myself, I'll put it this way: You can take me from the mission but you can not take the mission from me. Wherever I go - and wherever other Mozilla Alumni go - we take those core Mission values with us. It's just impossible to live those values for any length of time - 7 years in my case - and not. I'll point to someone like Christian Heilmann going to Microsoft as an extreme measure of success. And I think that's excellent. And I think the real challenge for Mozilla is to learn how to leverage those Alumni as we march throughout the world. The rest of your note was hard to digest as it was too ad hominem and thus an ineffective argument. ___ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
Words from a Mozillian Part II
Hello everyone this is Dicky Moe, again. We are sad to join again and write up. We just want to make some points clear before you dig yourself in. We went anonymous not because we are afraid. There is no reason for us to be! # Mozilla its paying for our daily bread, but it does provide us community spirit which is vital for Mozillians because once mozillian you are mozillian forever, we don’t want a bunch of dictators ruin what we’ve all stood up for. # If you still want us to reveal our names that would be the last thing the community want to get. (Black spread faster and easily, but hard to wash ) # Most people have got themselves in trouble raising the community issues and finally end up leaving the community. We are not ready for that! At Least not before completing the projects we took up. We have seen volunteers & Staffs leaving Mozilla and joining organizations that totally opposes the Mozilla mission, Internal issues are the main cause whatever they post on blogs or statements is just for personal satisfaction because Mozilla has been diffused in the blood. Let's hope it doesn't happen to most of us. Please spend less time scrutinizing the literature and immature use of caps or grammar and choice of file sharing program :) Instead, please read and reflect on the issues being raised. We don't feel overwhelmed by all the responses against our mail. It's easier to speak in support. And since our previous mail sounded a little immature with all the caps, special effects and background score. People are probably thinking that they are all just lies and uncalled for. But keep in mind that for every person who expressed an opinion against our action, there are many who shared our view and let us know their support through PM, but are just afraid to speak out publicly. One of the most abused sentences in the Mozilla community is “this is an open community”. Well, we hate to break it to you: it is not! Lets began.. ( TO LONG PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME TO READ ) [1]MozFest - Did the council lose all their fingers or keys on the keyboard, we/community had not received any reply for the concerns raised...? “The Selection process”. We are shocked to see the council not keeping its own words, waiting for the 2-3 Sentence explanation for the persons selected. Can we expect the answer before Mozfest 2015.? We never thought we needed to look here, but, we were forced to, after the so called ‘qualified reps’ according to the Reps Council who attended the Mozfest weren’t doing what they were intended to do after all, the following links proves it http://priyankaivy.blogspot.in/2014/10/my-last-two-cents-to-mozilla-india.html. If so happened then why were those reps invited….? (Thanks Priyanka for sharing, hope you won’t remove it. In case if the above link is not available by the time you read it, here is a screenshot of it https://www.sendspace.com/file/sdslcw ) Congrats you just made the majority of hardworking Mozillians made look fool because those selected were enjoying London it seems. Do you still have anything to say about this? [2]Reps Council -- As always Reps program has managed to stay as the headquarters of problems or the tensions. We are very sad to see the heading of the Reps program. The work of WilliamQ & Pierros to help community reach Mozilla faster was superb, but we have to say, my friends, you have failed to manage it or take it forward. We have no objections to your actions and idea of Reps but you are still responsible for transferring unaccountable control to people who weren’t up for the task - manage and guide the community. Community management is a very tough task, In an organization like Mozilla It’s the only task that has to be dealt seriously after the Main Products. We are sad for having to mention names and go personal here. We don't know what you guys do during the in-person meetings every time in luxurious locations. There has never been any visible improvements in Reps program in recent times. All we had is cursing from all directions and volunteers leaving the program. The commitment of Reps program can be measured just by looking at the number of people voting to select the council member. People have just lost faith with more and more dictatorial dominating the Reps program. The Reps program has given unlimited powers in many decision making processes which make many mozillians hard to work with all those diplomacy. Brian King, Ruben (we have a special section for you), Vineel, Gautham Raj, Robert Bob Ryes, Mahay Alay Khan(MAK) you guys are the worst community persons anyone could have met. You have managed to ruin the community by breaking the openness. If you try to get yourself away stating that you’re gonna improve from your current standing, it has no meaning here. If/when replying, please keep bombast and rhetoric to their minimum - in simple words, avoid
Re: [mozillians] [Reps-General] Words from a Mozillian Part II
Thank you for appreciating my efforts. Hopefully since that is the case, you will take my reply to heart. I am not sure what specific incidents have happened that have made you call out these particular people here, but in several of your accusations you are misinformed. Pierros is still owner of the program, Brian had Rosana's role for a short time, but not enough time to "ruin" the program. Also, both Brian and Ruben worked with myself, Vineel, Viking, Guillermo, Rami, Pierros and William Q in creating the program. In terms of setting policy it was always discussed between us 9. While William and Pierros certainly deserve extra credit for driving the program and doing behind the scenes work, if you like the program you have to give just as much credit to Vineel, Ruben and Brian. I can also say that transparency has been an issue from the beginning, this isn't new. William and Pierros deserve as much blame for that as the rest of us. Obviously a lack of transparency is partly to blame for your misconceptions on where the problems lie and who caused them. However, I just put a lot of work into running a council AMA that didn't get much participation. This was a great chance to find out more about Council, in fact I asked this question myself to help people better understand how the program is run - https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/what-are-the-different-roles-of-council-pierros-rosana-and-nukeador/1599 I also tried to start a discussion to better understand what is currently considered private as well as to advice council and leadership on what we think should be changed. The participation on that pad, discussion, and Discourse topic can be counted on one hand. While I agree with some of the concerns you raise, I have no respect for your group. You have obviously avoided the chances given to help provide constructive feedback and even participate in solving the problems. When I make these threads and call for feedback and get none, it makes me look controlling, and high strung and like I'm focusing on details that no one else cares about. I start to sound like the squeaky wheel and then people start to ignore me. So to be left hanging like that it makes me respect you even less and gives me no faith that you actually want to see a solution. If you want to change my mind, start participating. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:15 PM, matthew zeier wrote: > > > We have seen volunteers & Staffs leaving Mozilla and joining > organizations that totally opposes the Mozilla mission, > > I have a pretty strong reaction to that statement. > > As a former paid-staff myself, I'll put it this way: > > You can take me from the mission but you can not take the mission from me. > > Wherever I go - and wherever other Mozilla Alumni go - we take those core > Mission values with us. It's just impossible to live those values for any > length of time - 7 years in my case - and not. I'll point to someone like > Christian Heilmann going to Microsoft as an extreme measure of success. > > And I think that's excellent. And I think the real challenge for Mozilla > is to learn how to leverage those Alumni as we march throughout the world. > > The rest of your note was hard to digest as it was too ad hominem and thus > an ineffective argument. > > ___ > mozillians mailing list > mozilli...@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians > ___ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
Re: Words from a Mozillian Part II
I want to start off by encouraging you to dialogue with those teams you feel need improvement. I do not think an anonymous email to all these lists including many that really play no role in the issues you raise helps move your issues forward. The ad hominem attacks are really unnecessary and that coupled with the anonymity of this email really makes this email disruptive versus productive. “we also would like to thank Benjamin Kerensa, Emma Irwin and Majken Connor for all the efforts they take in making things more transparent.“ Thanks for appreciating our efforts for transparency but on the same token if you value transparency and openness then lend your name to your criticism and try to keep the the criticism constructive. Otherwise, on some of the valid issues you have raised, we cannot move the dial forward and improve. I invite you to join those discussions where they are relevant on the individual mailing lists versus blasting Mozilla Governance and all these other individual people and individual mailing lists. If, for some reason, there is a barrier preventing you from participating in discussion then please reach out to a conductor and try to work through that. Also, if for some reason you feel like you really just cannot participate in one area of Mozilla then there are certainly other areas of the project you can plug in. Mozilla isn’t perfect after all we are a community of humans that all error but this kind of anonymous dialogue does not help move things forward. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dicky Moe wrote: > Hello everyone this is Dicky Moe, again. We are sad to join again and write > up. We just want to make some points clear before you dig yourself in. > > We went anonymous not because we are afraid. There is no reason for us to be! > > # Mozilla its paying for our daily bread, but it does provide us community > spirit which is vital for Mozillians because once mozillian you are mozillian > forever, we don’t want a bunch of dictators ruin what we’ve all stood up for. > > # If you still want us to reveal our names that would be the last thing the > community want to get. (Black spread faster and easily, but hard to wash ) > > # Most people have got themselves in trouble raising the community issues > and finally end up leaving the community. We are not ready for that! At Least > not before completing the projects we took up. > > We have seen volunteers & Staffs leaving Mozilla and joining organizations > that totally opposes the Mozilla mission, Internal issues are the main cause > whatever they post on blogs or statements is just for personal satisfaction > because Mozilla has been diffused in the blood. Let's hope it doesn't happen > to most of us. Please spend less time scrutinizing the literature and > immature use of caps or grammar and choice of file sharing program :) > Instead, please read and reflect on the issues being raised. > > We don't feel overwhelmed by all the responses against our mail. It's easier > to speak in support. And since our previous mail sounded a little immature > with all the caps, special effects and background score. People are probably > thinking that they are all just lies and uncalled for. > > But keep in mind that for every person who expressed an opinion against our > action, there are many who shared our view and let us know their support > through PM, but are just afraid to speak out publicly. One of the most abused > sentences in the Mozilla community is “this is an open community”. Well, we > hate to break it to you: it is not! > > Lets began.. ( TO LONG PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME TO READ ) > > [1]MozFest > - > Did the council lose all their fingers or keys on the keyboard, we/community > had not received any reply for the concerns raised...? “The Selection > process”. > > We are shocked to see the council not keeping its own words, waiting for the > 2-3 Sentence explanation for the persons selected. Can we expect the answer > before Mozfest 2015.? > > We never thought we needed to look here, but, we were forced to, after the so > called ‘qualified reps’ according to the Reps Council who attended the > Mozfest weren’t doing what they were intended to do after all, the following > links proves it > http://priyankaivy.blogspot.in/2014/10/my-last-two-cents-to-mozilla-india.html. > > If so happened then why were those reps invited….? > (Thanks Priyanka for sharing, hope you won’t remove it. In case if the above > link is not available by the time you read it, here is a screenshot of it > https://www.sendspace.com/file/sdslcw ) > > Congrats you just made the majority of hardworking Mozillians made look fool > because those selected were enjoying London it seems. Do you still have > anything to say about this? > > [2]Reps Council > -- > > As always Reps program has managed to stay as the headquarters of problems or > the tensions. We are very sad to s
Resuming the quarterly Bugzilla database dumps for researchers.
Hello, Governance. I wanted to let you all know that we're in the early stages of respinning the quarterly Bugzilla database-dump-for-researchers process, which has been lying fallow after being discontinued as a peripheral part of the PII-chemspill cleanup last year. The reason we're doing this is to make information that is already public-facing more easily accessible while taking some load off production Bugzilla. Researchers interested in our data typically obtain it by aggressively scraping Bugzilla, web or API so - in addition to being in-line with our principles - in this case making their lives easier means making ours easier as well. While the DB dumps didn't contain not-already-public information themselves, the process by which they were created deserved some deeper consideration and care than we'd given it. That's what we're working through now, including moving to a whitelist-only rather than blacklist-only dump process and including a couple of in-script and in-process trigger-guards to flag data or schema changes for human attention. At the moment this isn't anyone's priority, so we've agreed that while getting this spun back up sometime in Q2 would be nice, that's all it is. We'll be documenting the process throughout and looking for Clint Talbert's sign-off before resuming. If you've got questions or concerns, I'm happy to discuss them here or you can email me directly. Thanks for your time. - mhoye ___ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
Re: [mozillians] Words from a Mozillian Part II
This is not mainly people like WilliamQ, Pierros, Brian or Ruben who were the cause of what is happening now! but can be the choice of goals (one million, and firefoxOS webmaker) that have imposed changes and swapping positions! The Reps program was exactly what Mozilla is looking for to give volunteers a status also to organize financially their activities. Although the success pushed William and Pierros to review the program and try to adapt it to the coming ... ( The huge number of Reps, the appearing of Firefox OS and Webmaker ) In the meantime, Mozilla launched the "OneMillion" goal that was (for me) not really the best time to do it. for several reasons ( The lack of tools and programs to achieve this goal ). This same goal caused that WilliamQ and Pierros will not continue their adventure to "fix" the Reps Program then they joined the CBT (that vanished recently for reasons I ignore). With all the work they had, it was hard to find time to mentor the new leaders of the Reps program which caused the malfunction of today and it's not Brian nor the council's fault. I am aware that the program is not fully transparent but there has to be some ideas and suggestions to help (and I am certain that no one can tell you not to) 2015-02-19 19:49 GMT+01:00 Dicky Moe : > Hello everyone this is Dicky Moe, again. We are sad to join again and > write up. We just want to make some points clear before you dig yourself in. > > We went anonymous not because we are afraid. There is no reason for us to > be! > > # Mozilla its paying for our daily bread, but it does provide us > community spirit which is vital for Mozillians because once mozillian you > are mozillian forever, we don’t want a bunch of dictators ruin what we’ve > all stood up for. > > # If you still want us to reveal our names that would be the last thing > the community want to get. (Black spread faster and easily, but hard to > wash ) > > # Most people have got themselves in trouble raising the community > issues and finally end up leaving the community. We are not ready for that! > At Least not before completing the projects we took up. > > We have seen volunteers & Staffs leaving Mozilla and joining organizations > that totally opposes the Mozilla mission, Internal issues are the main > cause whatever they post on blogs or statements is just for personal > satisfaction because Mozilla has been diffused in the blood. Let's hope it > doesn't happen to most of us. Please spend less time scrutinizing the > literature and immature use of caps or grammar and choice of file sharing > program :) Instead, please read and reflect on the issues being raised. > > We don't feel overwhelmed by all the responses against our mail. It's > easier to speak in support. And since our previous mail sounded a little > immature with all the caps, special effects and background score. People > are probably thinking that they are all just lies and uncalled for. > > But keep in mind that for every person who expressed an opinion against > our action, there are many who shared our view and let us know their > support through PM, but are just afraid to speak out publicly. One of the > most abused sentences in the Mozilla community is “this is an open > community”. Well, we hate to break it to you: it is not! > > Lets began.. ( TO LONG PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME TO READ ) > > [1]MozFest > - > Did the council lose all their fingers or keys on the keyboard, > we/community had not received any reply for the concerns raised...? “The > Selection process”. > > We are shocked to see the council not keeping its own words, waiting for > the 2-3 Sentence explanation for the persons selected. Can we expect the > answer before Mozfest 2015.? > > We never thought we needed to look here, but, we were forced to, after the > so called ‘qualified reps’ according to the Reps Council who attended the > Mozfest weren’t doing what they were intended to do after all, the > following links proves it > http://priyankaivy.blogspot.in/2014/10/my-last-two-cents-to-mozilla-india.html > . > > If so happened then why were those reps invited….? > (Thanks Priyanka for sharing, hope you won’t remove it. In case if the > above link is not available by the time you read it, here is a screenshot > of it https://www.sendspace.com/file/sdslcw ) > > Congrats you just made the majority of hardworking Mozillians made look > fool because those selected were enjoying London it seems. Do you still > have anything to say about this? > > [2]Reps Council > -- > > As always Reps program has managed to stay as the headquarters of problems > or the tensions. We are very sad to see the heading of the Reps program. > > The work of WilliamQ & Pierros to help community reach Mozilla faster was > superb, but we have to say, my friends, you have failed to manage it or > take it forward. We have no objections to your actions and idea of Reps but > you are still responsible for transferring u
