Re: [GNC] Idiot 101 question

[Jeff]

On 1/10/24 1:48 AM, David Carlson wrote:
Oh, release 5.5 has a couple of bugs, the Windoze version especially.  
You may want to revert to release 5.4, but that has it's own issue, so 
check the history here and choose your poison.


On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 1:42 AM David Carlson 
 wrote:


Maybe we should take a lesson from you and put that surge
protected power strip next to our pc or entertainment center
inside a very sturdy box if it isn't already in it's own container.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 1:06 AM Jeff 
wrote:

After a surge protector blew up in my face and fried my server
and
workstations I am trying to catch up. I assume the update to
5.5 is
compatible on Ubuntu and Windoze?  It's tax time and I am down
to 0
workstations, from 4, until I can locate a station strictly
for taxes.

And yes, you will soil your pants no matter how many surge
protectors
you have explode in your face.  Thankfully this one was only a
15 amp
one and not the 10 KW inverter that exploded in my face at work.

-- 
--JEffrey Black M.B.A.


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David Carlson


/I have to remember that. My eye brows are still growing back. Talk 
about a gremlin in the system, I just had one!!/


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Re: [GNC] 2 questions

[Mahon Finbar via gnucash-user]

OK, thanks.

You may remember (with a wince?) a long series of messages a while back 
that I had 'cos I had more than one location for the G files. It was 
sorted, by a kind person.


However, somewhere along the line the balance got screwed up, so I 
created a subfile with the 2024 addition and the balance from the bank a/c.


Maybe not be the best or officially approved solution, but it works, 
except for the lack of a popup, /boo hoo/. No possibility of a cut and 
paste of the 'other transactions'  do all the other 'new year' methods 
suffer from the same irritant?? If not, the year is still young, I may 
relent.


B




I'd ask why you created a special account to 'start over' for 2024?

The more usual procedures would be to either:

- 'close books' and proceed with the next year,

- archive a copy of the file as of 12/31/23 and proceed with the next 
year, or


- start an entirely new file for 2024 with carry-over balances, and 
possibly exporting/importing your Chart of Accounts.



Regards,
Adrien

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Re: [GNC] Size of description column not shrinkable?

[Glenn Fowler]

It's pretty easy to figure out which register is which... just make the
date column extra wide in the GUI and it will correspond with
"date_width=###" (or do it the other way around).

I also like to have the same column widths throughout for uniformity as
well as muscle memory on locations on the screen. Just go through and match
the widths in the file.

You only have to do this once you are all set.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 1:13 AM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> It is shrinkable, but not by itself.
>
> It fills the remaining space not taken up by the other columns. So if
> you want to shrink it, make other columns wider.
>
> Alternatively, make the window narrower, and then drag the right-handle
> of the Description column to the left and let it go. It will snap back
> to fill the remaining space.
>
> The register columns will always fill the width of the window. There
> won't be any unused extra space after re-sizing them.
>
> -
> The gcm file references the GUIDs of the accounts. Yes, you can find
> these in the data file mapped to account names. (XML is not required)
> But this isn't always necessary depending on what it is you want to
> accomplish.
>
> I'd hazard a guess that if you wanted all of your registers to have the
> same widths for all or any columns, you could craft a Find/Replace
> operation using a good text editor on the gcm file, or script the
> change(s) to it.
>
> Note, the file is normally compressed XML. (but still XML) You only need
> to uncompress it (either from within GnuCash or using some other
> utility) to read it using a plain text editor.
>
> --
> Yes, a preference or menu action to reset one or all registers to
> defaults (or user set widths) would be nice.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 1/9/24 2:30 PM, Stephen wrote:
> > In my limited experience it seems that the column widths are different
> > for each account in the .gcm file. There does not seem to be a "uniform"
> > account setting. Furthermore, the account names are not listed in the
> > .gcm file but can be found by saving the .gnucash file in XML format and
> > opening in a text editor (Notepad) and saving away from your data. BTW,
> > my .gnucash file needed to be saved as non-compressed (General tab in
> > Preferences) to then be savable as an XML.
> >
> > A good description of this process can be found in the Archives [GNC]
> > GUID Register Codes at 12/29/2023 11:38 PM, by David Cousens.
> >
> > It would be nice if GnuCash would allow for a uniform account column
> > width setting but IRL "things" aren't uniform.
>
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[GNC] Budget car payment

[Dennis Powless]

I'm trying to create a budget and am having some issues with setting it up.
I have a liability for car loan and expense for interest for that loan.

I pay out of the checking account, say 500.
I split to the Liability loan 200 and expense interest 300.

In a spreadsheet I would budget out 500 for the car payment.  However,
Gnucash is not set up this way (or I have it wrong).

The liability payment is a negative entry in the budget and the expense is
a positive value.
The same in the "budget report" created.

The help docs are not very helpful, nor are internet searches.  Most in the
end, state to use a separate spreadsheet for budgeting.
Which I have been doing for many years, but figured I'd give it another try
as it's been about 9 years.

Dennis
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[GNC] new accounts are omitted from reports

[Scott Ellsworth]

Hi all,

I have a strange problem now: When I create new income accounts, they are 
omitted in income statement reports, and the numbers in them are omitted from 
the totals. 

The situation is that I need to record US and foreign income separately now for 
tax purposes. So I created a new account, Income > Business > Tutoring > 
foreign revenue, and moved a few transactions over to that account. Then I 
renamed my "revenue" account to "US revenue." Then I created a new placeholder 
account called Income > Business > Tutoring > foreign revenue, and put my two 
revenue categories under that. This kind of change has always worked in the 
past. But all my new accounts are ignored in income statements now. I thought 
maybe I had too many levels of accounts, so I tried moving the new revenue 
accounts under the Tutoring category instead. But that still didn't help. 

Be Well,
 
Scott
 Scott Ellsworth || +1 (775) 386-2519 
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Re: [GNC] 2 questions

[Adrien Monteleone]

I recall that file fiasco. I'm glad you finally got it sorted!

Any time you are starting over completely, you will not get auto-fill 
suggestions until you have transactions that match in the register already.


Note, this is true between accounts even without starting over.

If you use one Description in say, Checking, and then switch to a 
Savings account and try to use the same description, unless it was used 
already in the Savings register it will not be suggested by auto-fill.


This is a per-register (account) suggestion only. It only reads and 
suggests text *in that register*.


If the balance 'got messed up' the best (and more proper 'accounting') 
solution is to find the error and fix it, or else, enter a correcting 
entry with good notes in it to explain its existence, and then later 
when you find the error - delete the correcting transaction after you 
fix the errors. Starting fresh just for a balance error is the path to 
madness eventually. (will you do this each and every time you notice the 
balance is off?!)


I use the Imbalance account to post correcting entries. That way, I can 
find them easily for later research and deletion by simply viewing the 
Imbalance account register.


Regards,
Adrien

On 1/10/24 5:41 AM, Mahon Finbar via gnucash-user wrote:

OK, thanks.

You may remember (with a wince?) a long series of messages a while back 
that I had 'cos I had more than one location for the G files. It was 
sorted, by a kind person.


However, somewhere along the line the balance got screwed up, so I 
created a subfile with the 2024 addition and the balance from the bank a/c.


Maybe not be the best or officially approved solution, but it works, 
except for the lack of a popup, /boo hoo/. No possibility of a cut and 
paste of the 'other transactions'  do all the other 'new year' methods 
suffer from the same irritant?? If not, the year is still young, I may 
relent.


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Re: [GNC] new accounts are omitted from reports

[Adrien Monteleone]

I'm pretty sure this is already filed as a bug or RFE.

GnuCash doesn't auto-add new accounts when you have generic top-level 
accounts selected for a report when using saved configurations.


You have to edit the account selection to include the new accounts then 
update your saved configuration.


However, if just running a fresh report that auto-selects accounts (such 
as the Income Statement) it should include them. (as long as they are 
not marked 'hidden')


Note, if you had a report already in a tab and then added the accounts, 
that isn't a fresh report, you'd need to manually add the accounts and 
refresh it. Or just run a new fresh report.


Regards,
Adrien

On 1/10/24 1:17 PM, Scott Ellsworth wrote:

Hi all,

I have a strange problem now: When I create new income accounts, they are 
omitted in income statement reports, and the numbers in them are omitted from 
the totals.

The situation is that I need to record US and foreign income separately now for tax purposes. So I created a new 
account, Income > Business > Tutoring > foreign revenue, and moved a few transactions over to that account. 
Then I renamed my "revenue" account to "US revenue." Then I created a new placeholder account 
called Income > Business > Tutoring > foreign revenue, and put my two revenue categories under that. This 
kind of change has always worked in the past. But all my new accounts are ignored in income statements now. I thought 
maybe I had too many levels of accounts, so I tried moving the new revenue accounts under the Tutoring category 
instead. But that still didn't help.


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Re: [GNC] Budget car payment

[Adrien Monteleone]

Signs in Budgets need more testing. (I had plans to do so long ago, 
perhaps I might get to it now as I'm way behind in my own budgeting!)


You might have to play around a bit to see if it is possible to come up 
with a sane entry method that produces a sane bottom line result. Or you 
may have discovered a bug that needs fixing.


I'll endeavor to work on my budget this week and see if I can duplicate 
your issue.




And no, I don't think the Budget Module docs have been updated in many 
moons and suns.


Regards,
Adrien

On 1/10/24 12:12 PM, Dennis Powless wrote:

I'm trying to create a budget and am having some issues with setting it up.
I have a liability for car loan and expense for interest for that loan.

I pay out of the checking account, say 500.
I split to the Liability loan 200 and expense interest 300.

In a spreadsheet I would budget out 500 for the car payment.  However,
Gnucash is not set up this way (or I have it wrong).

The liability payment is a negative entry in the budget and the expense is
a positive value.
The same in the "budget report" created.

The help docs are not very helpful, nor are internet searches.  Most in the
end, state to use a separate spreadsheet for budgeting.
Which I have been doing for many years, but figured I'd give it another try
as it's been about 9 years.


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Re: [GNC] new accounts are omitted from reports

[Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)]

On 2024-01-10 11:17, Scott Ellsworth wrote:
> I have a strange problem now: When I create new income accounts, they 
> are omitted in income statement reports, and the numbers in them are 
> omitted from the totals. 

Yes, that's how GC works. After you create new accounts, you need to go
open your saved report, go into Options » Accounts and update your
account selection, then click OK or Apply. Remember also to click Save
Config so that the saved report is updated.

It's a bit of a nuisance, and there was a fairly long discussion of it
on this list a year or so ago. Nobody could come up with a clear and
simple rule for GC to follow that wouldn't have bad results in some cases.


Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
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Re: [GNC] new accounts are omitted from reports

[Glenn Fowler]

Have you checked that the new accounts you created are a part of the report
by going to ' Options -> Accounts' when the report is up?

On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 2:17 PM Scott Ellsworth  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a strange problem now: When I create new income accounts, they are
> omitted in income statement reports, and the numbers in them are omitted
> from the totals.
>
> The situation is that I need to record US and foreign income separately
> now for tax purposes. So I created a new account, Income > Business >
> Tutoring > foreign revenue, and moved a few transactions over to that
> account. Then I renamed my "revenue" account to "US revenue." Then I
> created a new placeholder account called Income > Business > Tutoring >
> foreign revenue, and put my two revenue categories under that. This kind of
> change has always worked in the past. But all my new accounts are ignored
> in income statements now. I thought maybe I had too many levels of
> accounts, so I tried moving the new revenue accounts under the Tutoring
> category instead. But that still didn't help.
>
> Be Well,
>
> Scott
>  Scott Ellsworth || +1 (775) 386-2519 
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[GNC] Gnucash crashing when creating expense reports

[Maria Inmaculada de la Torre]

Hello All,

Since the most recent update to the program I am having an issue with the
Expense reports. It doesn't really matter how I try to generate my expense:
both from the Main Menu > Reports > Income & Expense >  and my Saved
Configuration Reports lead to the program immediately crashing without a
warning. Profit and Loss report seems to be working but the majority of
reports under the Income & Expense category lead to crashing. Any idea of
what might be the cause? And any idea of how to deal with it?

Thank you for the help.

Regards,


Inma
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash crashing when creating expense reports

[Adrien Monteleone]

If this is on Windows, it is a known bug that is being worked on. (the 
bug isn't in GnuCash, but software that GnuCash uses to display reports)


Other reports may fail and crash as well.

For now, the recommendation is to revert back to 5.4

Regards,
Adrien

On 1/10/24 4:29 PM, Maria Inmaculada de la Torre wrote:

Hello All,

Since the most recent update to the program I am having an issue with the
Expense reports. It doesn't really matter how I try to generate my expense:
both from the Main Menu > Reports > Income & Expense >  and my Saved
Configuration Reports lead to the program immediately crashing without a
warning. Profit and Loss report seems to be working but the majority of
reports under the Income & Expense category lead to crashing. Any idea of
what might be the cause? And any idea of how to deal with it?


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Re: [GNC] new accounts are omitted from reports

[R Losey]

On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 2:12 PM Stan Brown (using GC 4.14) <
stan...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> On 2024-01-10 11:17, Scott Ellsworth wrote:
> > I have a strange problem now: When I create new income accounts, they
> > are omitted in income statement reports, and the numbers in them are
> > omitted from the totals.
>
> Yes, that's how GC works. After you create new accounts, you need to go
> open your saved report, go into Options » Accounts and update your
> account selection, then click OK or Apply. Remember also to click Save
> Config so that the saved report is updated.
>
> It's a bit of a nuisance, and there was a fairly long discussion of it
> on this list a year or so ago. Nobody could come up with a clear and
> simple rule for GC to follow that wouldn't have bad results in some cases.
>
>
> Stan Brown
> Tehachapi, CA, USA
> https://BrownMath.com
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Interesting. I would have thought a good solution would be to take a tick
(check) box that says "use all subaccounts"; if checked, added sub-accounts
are automatically added to the report. Otherwise, it works like it does now
(that is, anytime an account is added, the reports must be update).

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[GNC] Intermittent Crash when using recent File dropdown list. Filed as bug # 799215

[Stephen M. Butler]

Ubuntu 23.10
GnC Build ID: git 5.4-117-gabb4a01ac8+(2023-12-01)

Intermittent when changing books using the recent file dropdown list.

I pick the book I want next from the File recent dropdown list.
GnC asks if I want to save the existing opened book.  I say yes.
Soon thereafter the program goes away.  No stacktrace that I can find.

Start GnC again and it opens the book I was in.  Again I pick from the 
recent file dropdown.  I don't think it asks if I want to save. But I do 
get the Lock File dialogue.  I tell it to open anyway.  It opens.


This happens infrequent and I can't predict when it will happen.

Apparently happens after the lock file is created for the new book but 
before it is read into memory.


What steps do I need to take to get additional information the next time 
this (apparently random) happens?


--
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Re: [GNC] Transaction Report - Split Transactions

[John Dimitriadis]

Hello Vincent,

Happy New Year. 

Hope my email finds you well.

Just wanted to touch base to see if you managed to take any action on the below?

Many thanks in advance.

> On 19 May 2023, at 08:16, John Dimitriadis  wrote:
> 
> Hello Vincent,
> 
> Thank you very much for the detailed and quick response!
> 
> Splitting the transaction into two separate ones is something I thought of as 
> well, however I concluded that I rather not have perfect reports but  have my 
> transactions properly organised. 
> 
> The tags report is something I came across while looking for a solution, but 
> as you say it is still not ideal. However I am considering it, as at the 
> moment I use some “dimension accounts” which I add into splits with zero 
> credit/debit and use as references when I want to create a report on 
> projects, to gather related expenses from different accounts. So I might be 
> using the tags instead going forward.
> 
> If you manage to make any changes that will resolve the reporting assuming 
> that splits are only on either Debit or Credit side, then that would be 
> great! Otherwise I am sure we will be just fine ! :)
> 
> Thank you once again!
> 
>> On 18 May 2023, at 02:27, Vincent Dawans  wrote:
>> 
>> The last one should show this for proper credit/debi sides
>> 
>> Checking account  100
>> Electricity   60   #OwnerA 
>> in the split memo
>> Electricity   40   #OwnerB 
>> in the split memo
>> 
>> On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 4:26 PM Vincent Dawans > > wrote:
>>> Unfortunately that is a limitation on how the splits work and I have run 
>>> into this myself.
>>> 
>>> When you look at it from the expense accounts, every transaction has a 3 
>>> way split because of the 2 owner accounts, so unfortunately there is no way 
>>> to group by owner account as the secondary sort
>>> When you look at it the other way, selecting Owner A and B as the accounts 
>>> to report on, every transaction is still split because of the other owner 
>>> account, so there is no way to group by owner as primary then expense as 
>>> secondary. You can still get the correct total for each owner, but not the 
>>> subtotal by expense account.
>>> 
>>> It could be an interesting thing to try to change. When showing a split on 
>>> the credit side, and the multiple splits are ONLY on the credit side, then 
>>> we should be able to show the single debit side account name as the other 
>>> account instead of showing "split transaction"; same for the other way 
>>> around, When showing a split on the debit side, and the multiple splits are 
>>> ONLY on the debit side, then we should be able to show the single credit 
>>> side account name as other account instead of showing "split transaction";
>>> 
>>> I might look at changing this as it would help as well because I have 
>>> several reports where I have ran into this problem
>>> 
>>> The alternative is to only use simple transactions, which essentially means 
>>> splitting your transactions into 2. So instead of 
>>> 
>>> Electricity 100
>>> Owner A  60
>>> Owner B 40
>>> 
>>> you end up with 2 transactions
>>> 
>>> Electricity 60
>>> Owner A  60
>>> 
>>> Electricity 40
>>> Owner B 40
>>> 
>>> But it's not really very nice
>>> 
>>> I have also an experimental report using tags but that would require 
>>> changing your setup as well. It would still require splitting the expenses 
>>> however, but both splits could be kept in the same transactions. Only 
>>> advantage is you could get rid of the owner accounts UNLESS they are actual 
>>> escrow accounts (instead of report placeholders while the actual payment is 
>>> done from a single asset account). 
>>> Checking account 100
>>> Electricity60  #OwnerA in the split memo
>>> Electricity40  #OwnerB in the split memo
>>> 
>>> Here it is if you want to give that a try: 
>>> https://github.com/dawansv/gnucash-transaction-tags
>>> 
>>> But ultimately allowing the single matching debit/credit side to show 
>>> instead of "split transactions" would be a more useful solution. I'll look 
>>> at whether I can get that done but it might take a little while.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 3:22 PM John Dimitriadis >> > wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I have a Gnucash file, which I use to track expenses for a jointly owned 
 property. 
 
 Under Assets, I have two accounts. One for myself and one for the other 
 owner.
 
 Under Expenses, I have the Property, and under that I have sub-accounts 
 for the various types of expenses (eg. Taxes, Service Charges, 
 Maintenance, Bills etc).
 
 A number of the expenses transactions have split entries. Either because 
 something was paid by both owners, or because I keep more detailed records.
 
 I am trying to come up

Re: [GNC] Intermittent Crash when using recent File dropdown list. Filed as bug # 799215

[Adrien Monteleone]

Have you tried opening the (other) desired book directly via command line?

It may be the book you are attempting to switch to has an issue, and not 
saving the current one.


Also, since it is prompting you to save, that tells me something was 
edited without a save. Perhaps manually save, then attempt to switch. At 
least that should determine if the crash is happening on save, or upon 
opening the other book.


Regards,
Adrien

On 1/10/24 6:05 PM, Stephen M. Butler wrote:

Ubuntu 23.10
GnC Build ID: git 5.4-117-gabb4a01ac8+(2023-12-01)

Intermittent when changing books using the recent file dropdown list.

I pick the book I want next from the File recent dropdown list.
GnC asks if I want to save the existing opened book.  I say yes.
Soon thereafter the program goes away.  No stacktrace that I can find.

Start GnC again and it opens the book I was in.  Again I pick from the 
recent file dropdown.  I don't think it asks if I want to save. But I do 
get the Lock File dialogue.  I tell it to open anyway.  It opens.


This happens infrequent and I can't predict when it will happen.

Apparently happens after the lock file is created for the new book but 
before it is read into memory.


What steps do I need to take to get additional information the next time 
this (apparently random) happens?




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Re: [GNC] Intermittent Crash when using recent File dropdown list. Filed as bug # 799215

[Stephen M. Butler]

On 1/10/24 16:59, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
Have you tried opening the (other) desired book directly via command 
line?


It may be the book you are attempting to switch to has an issue, and 
not saving the current one.


It works the second time I try.  So, not the book.  And yes, I've opened 
it multiple times after each crash.  It isn't the same book each time 
either.
Also, since it is prompting you to save, that tells me something was 
edited without a save. Perhaps manually save, then attempt to switch. 
At least that should determine if the crash is happening on save, or 
upon opening the other book.


Oh, I definitely did work.  The fact that when I restart GnC it doesn't 
complain about a lock file on the "old" book tells me that the save 
worked.  The lock file was on the "new" book.


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Re: [GNC] Upgrading or starting fresh?

[Jeff]

Just adding to what Adrien has said.

1.  Would it be easier to just download the current stable version and
start fresh (with opening balances) for 2024, keeping the previous
version/files backed-up and available for informational purposes, and in
case of a future audit? Can I have two versions running on the same PC
(Windows 10)?
I recently upgraded my main books from 2.6 to 5.3 (the current stable 
packaged version on Kubuntu Linux).  I had been upgrading along the way 
for testing, but hadn't seen the need to update my actual books as the 
functionality I needed was in 2.6 and working fine.  The main reason I 
upgraded was worried about loosing OS support for such an old program.


I took the upgrade through each major version path, all went very smoothly.

Just do note, that there has been an underlying change somewhere between 
2.6 and 4 with the way GnuCash calculates the total on Invoices and 
Bills, if you use those features.  This has caused some headaches, but i 
now just add a rounding correction line, doesn't look very professional, 
but hopefully somewhere down the track they may go back to the old 
method, just be aware of the change before you jump versions.


Example: (Note I have not tried the specific values here, but this is 
what happens)

1. Add in Line item Costing $100 including GST
2. System Calculates item costs $90.91 excluding GST with a GST of $9.09
3. Shows a TOTAL on the Invoice of $100.01, or $99.99

Note that same can happen if you enter it the other way around, eg 
without GST and get the system to add it.


It is obviously to do with how it rounds the figures.  Just annoying 
when you enter in a single figure, and it shows the figures correct for 
the line item, but then calculates the wrong figure.  Have had it happen 
even with  a single item in the Invoice or Bill, but is more likely to 
happen when there are multiple line items in the Invoice/Bill.


Otherwise the system (at least on Linux, Windows may be different) is as 
rock solid as ever.


Regards,
Jeff.
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Re: [GNC] Idiot 101 question

[Jeff]

On 1/10/24 3:42 AM, Jeff wrote:

On 1/10/24 1:48 AM, David Carlson wrote:
Oh, release 5.5 has a couple of bugs, the Windoze version 
especially.  You may want to revert to release 5.4, but that has it's 
own issue, so check the history here and choose your poison.


On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 1:42 AM David Carlson 
 wrote:


    Maybe we should take a lesson from you and put that surge
    protected power strip next to our pc or entertainment center
    inside a very sturdy box if it isn't already in it's own container.

    On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 1:06 AM Jeff 
    wrote:

    After a surge protector blew up in my face and fried my server
    and
    workstations I am trying to catch up. I assume the update to
    5.5 is
    compatible on Ubuntu and Windoze?  It's tax time and I am down
    to 0
    workstations, from 4, until I can locate a station strictly
    for taxes.

    And yes, you will soil your pants no matter how many surge
    protectors
    you have explode in your face.  Thankfully this one was only a
    15 amp
    one and not the 10 KW inverter that exploded in my face at work.

    --     --JEffrey Black M.B.A.

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    --     David Carlson



--
David Carlson


/I have to remember that. My eye brows are still growing back. Talk 
about a gremlin in the system, I just had one!!/


/


You still have eye browse?  Mine have not grown back.  Must because I am 
a lot older than you.  I will try to revert one version.  I'm still 1 
computer short of having my network back up.  This f'ing 3 layer 
security is ridiculous and unnecessary. I keep getting locked out of one 
of my banks every time I to login. Changing passwords every time I log 
in is ridiculous.


--
--JEffrey Black M.B.A.

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