Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[G R Hewitt]

My two pennyworth is similar. I moved over to Macs from Windows and was
looking for an accounting program. Many were all whizz-bang dial and graphs
and bright primary colours and all sorts of clutter that I found confusing
and unnecessary, when all I wanted was a simple transaction register that
could be edited and entered inline, without additional 'entry' windows
popping up all over the place. I tried lots and settled on the sea of calm
that is Gnucash, which does exactly what I want. Sure, it has it's quirks -
don't we all, and that is what makes us us and Gnucash Gnucash.

Gnucash is maintained and supported for free to the user by people who have
other things to do, and to whom we owe thanks and gratitude for their
unpaid efforts. We don't have to use it, one can always 'jump ship' to some
other package that will have its own set of problems to be encountered. I
imagine that most of GnuCash's changes are requests for features, bug fixes
or forced changes by outside entities such as banks changing their
protocols.

There is no perfect software, no software that will suit all and sundry and
their offspring. Even pen and ink has its problems, pens running out or
just stopping, paper getting snagged, tearing or bleeding the ink through
or plain old knocking the ink bottle all over it.

As the French say '*C'est la vie*', or as the English say 'Tough Titty,
that's the way it is'
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[Geert Janssens]

Hi R Losey,

Your concerns are appreciated. As a currently non-active developer I was a bit 
sad to see 
the struggles of the two most recent releases. I know the current devs do what 
they can 
though.

Their issue is not a lack of money. It's less available time in a shrinking 
pool of volunteers. 
This is a hard problem to solve.

There is so much that needs to be done. Obviously there is the actual coding
- fixing bugs
- keeping up withc changing requirements of our dependencies (think webkit, 
gtk, 
aqbanking,...)
- adapting to evolving coding practices
- and even adapting to changes in a larger ecosystem (like changes in the 
Windows, 
MacOS or Linux environments, changes in the financial world ranging from 
currency 
symbol changes to new requirements for tax filings)
- refactor code to keep it maintainable in the long run
- improving test suites to catch regressions
- ...

Besides that it is also about everything else that's required to maintain a 
project. Things 
that come to mind immediately are
- bug triaging
- responding to user questions on mailing lists and irc
- maintaining automated build systems for nightly development snapshots
- running these nightly builds in order to verifying bug fixes, catch 
regressions and test 
new features
- guiding less experienced or new contributors to successful contributions
- maintaining a website
- translations (which have vastly improved since we changed to Weblate!)
- ...

That's a huge pile of work for only a handful of volunteers. Money won't 
increase the 
amount of available time unfortunately. The available time can be increased 
though by 
having more people helping out in any of the above.

A simple example: if more users would from time to time download a nightly 
build and do 
their typical GnuCash routines with it, we could potentially catch more 
regressions before 
release. I'm sure there are others.

My main point is (and this is not only for GnuCash but for many free software 
projects) we 
really need more helping hands!

End of my plea :)

Regards,

Geert

Op donderdag 28 december 2023 05:33:11 CET schreef R Losey:
> Let me start off by trying to avoid hateful responses...
> 
> I worked in the software industry, and the programs I supported have had
> their share of issues. I remember (with hung head) when we went through a
> patch in which we would claim to have fixed a problem, only to have it
> recur, and then fixed that and then had another problem occur. It was a
> really bad time, and we took a lot of heat for it.
> 
> I also know that GnuCash is free, thanks to the intense dedication of a
> relatively small number of people... for whom and to whom, I am very
> grateful.
> 
> However.
> 
> I started using GnuCash about 8 years ago, and I generally upgraded each
> quarter as the new versions came out. My own experience in software led me
> to delay doing the update for 7-10 days -- just in case there was a bug
> that necessitated a re-release (and it happened just enough to make me glad
> I waited from time to time).
> 
> I am still running 5.3 because (as has been documented here), the 5.4
> windows release had a bug that left a process running.  "No problem", I
> thought -- I'll just skip 5.4 and install 5.5 when it comes out.
> 
> Well, 5.5 is out, and it looks like the Scheduled Transactions no longer
> function properly, especially in regard to variable placeholders. This is a
> feature I used and cannot use GnuCash if this is broken. This makes 5.5
> also unusable for me. This is the first time I can remember when I could
> not download a new release - let alone two of them.
> 
> I don't know what the problem is or what the best solution is -- perhaps
> everyone on this list could contribute a few dollars to give
> the hardworking developers a chance to "re-charge", as it were? Perhaps
> a quarter needs to be spent only fixing bugs and ignoring adding new
> features? Perhaps the developers just need to take a break for a quarter?
> 
> I don't mean this at all in a harsh or critical way; I am just concerned
> that a program I really like seems to be slipping somehow.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[Glenn Fowler]

Since FOSS is a community effort, we can all help with testing beta builds:

https://code.gnucash.org/builds/

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 11:33 PM R Losey  wrote:

> Let me start off by trying to avoid hateful responses...
>
> I worked in the software industry, and the programs I supported have had
> their share of issues. I remember (with hung head) when we went through a
> patch in which we would claim to have fixed a problem, only to have it
> recur, and then fixed that and then had another problem occur. It was a
> really bad time, and we took a lot of heat for it.
>
> I also know that GnuCash is free, thanks to the intense dedication of a
> relatively small number of people... for whom and to whom, I am very
> grateful.
>
> However.
>
> I started using GnuCash about 8 years ago, and I generally upgraded each
> quarter as the new versions came out. My own experience in software led me
> to delay doing the update for 7-10 days -- just in case there was a bug
> that necessitated a re-release (and it happened just enough to make me glad
> I waited from time to time).
>
> I am still running 5.3 because (as has been documented here), the 5.4
> windows release had a bug that left a process running.  "No problem", I
> thought -- I'll just skip 5.4 and install 5.5 when it comes out.
>
> Well, 5.5 is out, and it looks like the Scheduled Transactions no longer
> function properly, especially in regard to variable placeholders. This is a
> feature I used and cannot use GnuCash if this is broken. This makes 5.5
> also unusable for me. This is the first time I can remember when I could
> not download a new release - let alone two of them.
>
> I don't know what the problem is or what the best solution is -- perhaps
> everyone on this list could contribute a few dollars to give
> the hardworking developers a chance to "re-charge", as it were? Perhaps
> a quarter needs to be spent only fixing bugs and ignoring adding new
> features? Perhaps the developers just need to take a break for a quarter?
>
> I don't mean this at all in a harsh or critical way; I am just concerned
> that a program I really like seems to be slipping somehow.
>
> --
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> Micah 6:8
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 12/28/2023 3:56 AM, G R Hewitt wrote:

My two pennyworth is similar.


My two cents is a little different.

Also a retired pro, a very senior sort of systems analyst who toward the 
end mainly handling what had the department programmers stumped or was 
beyond them in the first place.


This is a CHOICE. Do you immediately upgrade to the newest version or do 
you wait long enough for the new version bugs to be found and corrected? 
Do you like being on the "bleeding edge" or not? Do you NEED some 
feature that has been added with the new version?


With a full testing protocol, a new version would spend some tine in 
"beta" with only designated "beta testers" using it (experienced users 
who would report bugs to the development team, people able to identify 
actual bugs from things that simply might require explanation what some 
new feature does and doesn't do). This project does NOT have a large 
enough "testing budget", nothing like what I used to have available to 
me (around 20% of the total new system budget). Lack of a user/tester 
base is why I am not helping with development.


So I'll put it plainly. If you don't need a new feature of a new 
version, and if you dislike being an involuntary beta tester (during 
this initial unofficial beta period) then wait a little while before 
upgrading. Monitor this list for the complaints about the new version 
and upgrade only when these have died down. Skip ever upgrading to 
versions that were particularly buggy. Yes, you will likely always be 
one or two versions behind the newest, but you won't be complaining.


Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[R Losey]

On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 9:41 AM Michael or Penny Novack <
stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 12/28/2023 3:56 AM, G R Hewitt wrote:
> > My two pennyworth is similar.
>
> My two cents is a little different.
>
> Also a retired pro, a very senior sort of systems analyst who toward the
> end mainly handling what had the department programmers stumped or was
> beyond them in the first place.
>
> This is a CHOICE. Do you immediately upgrade to the newest version or do
> you wait long enough for the new version bugs to be found and corrected?
> Do you like being on the "bleeding edge" or not? Do you NEED some
> feature that has been added with the new version?
>
> With a full testing protocol, a new version would spend some tine in
> "beta" with only designated "beta testers" using it (experienced users
> who would report bugs to the development team, people able to identify
> actual bugs from things that simply might require explanation what some
> new feature does and doesn't do). This project does NOT have a large
> enough "testing budget", nothing like what I used to have available to
> me (around 20% of the total new system budget). Lack of a user/tester
> base is why I am not helping with development.
>
> So I'll put it plainly. If you don't need a new feature of a new
> version, and if you dislike being an involuntary beta tester (during
> this initial unofficial beta period) then wait a little while before
> upgrading. Monitor this list for the complaints about the new version
> and upgrade only when these have died down. Skip ever upgrading to
> versions that were particularly buggy. Yes, you will likely always be
> one or two versions behind the newest, but you won't be complaining.
>
> Michael D Novack
>

Exactly.

Since I've been on this mailing list (much less time than I've been using
GnuCash), I have always waited and watched this list for experiences with
the new version; it was thanks to this list that I heard about the extra
process problem with 5.4 and the Scheduled Transaction issue with 5.5.

I supposed the best way to beta test new versions would be to create a VM
and play with it there; I wouldn't want to corrupt my good working copy or
financial records.

As a former software engineer, I've thought about volunteering, but it
seems so massive an undertaking that it daunts me. I suppose I could create
a VM (if my machine is powerful enough to handle a VM) and do some beta
testing.


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rlo...@gmail.com
Micah 6:8
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Re: [GNC] USAA OFX Direct Connect stopped working

[Gyle McCollam]

I stopped using AQBanking and direct connect a while ago.  Does USAA offer 
ofx/qfx downloads in addition to CSV?  I download qfx/ofx files from site that 
offer it without using Direct connect.  I find it works well, without the 
direct connect headaches.

Thank You,

Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

gmccol...@live.com   email


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Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] USAA OFX Direct Connect stopped working

Is there a work around for this other than csv download?


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)]

On 2023-12-28 09:05, R Losey wrote:
> As a former software engineer, I've thought about volunteering, but it
> seems so massive an undertaking that it daunts me. I suppose I could create
> a VM (if my machine is powerful enough to handle a VM) and do some beta
> testing.

VirtualBox should work in any modern Windows computer, and setup is very
easy if you don't want to do fancy stuff. That's what I used to do my
testing in the three-step upgrade from 2.6.19.

I too am a former software engineer, and I too am daunted by the
prospect of testing. But for me it's that I wouldn't know where to
begin. If the programmers could give some guidance -- "test this version
that fixes bugs X and Y", I could do that, and in the course of
exercising the test version for the stuff I normally do in GC I could
report any new bugs I noticed.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] USAA OFX Direct Connect stopped working

[john]

Unfortunately no. CSV is the only file download option.

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Dec 28, 2023, at 09:35, Gyle McCollam  wrote:
> 
> 
> I stopped using AQBanking and direct connect a while ago.  Does USAA offer 
> ofx/qfx downloads in addition to CSV?  I download qfx/ofx files from site 
> that offer it without using Direct connect.  I find it works well, without 
> the direct connect headaches.
> 
> Thank You,
> 
> Gyle McCollam
> 
> Gyle McCollam
> 
> gmccol...@live.com   email
> 
> 
> From: gnucash-user  on 
> behalf of was698002 via gnucash-user 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 5:27 PM
> To: jra...@ceridwen.us 
> Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] USAA OFX Direct Connect stopped working
> 
> Is there a work around for this other than csv download?
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[R Losey]

On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 11:37 AM Stan Brown (using GC 4.14) <
stan...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> On 2023-12-28 09:05, R Losey wrote:
> > As a former software engineer, I've thought about volunteering, but it
> > seems so massive an undertaking that it daunts me. I suppose I could
> create
> > a VM (if my machine is powerful enough to handle a VM) and do some beta
> > testing.
>
> VirtualBox should work in any modern Windows computer, and setup is very
> easy if you don't want to do fancy stuff. That's what I used to do my
> testing in the three-step upgrade from 2.6.19.
>
> I too am a former software engineer, and I too am daunted by the
> prospect of testing. But for me it's that I wouldn't know where to
> begin. If the programmers could give some guidance -- "test this version
> that fixes bugs X and Y", I could do that, and in the course of
> exercising the test version for the stuff I normally do in GC I could
> report any new bugs I noticed.
>
> Stan Brown
> Tehachapi, CA, USA
> https://BrownMath.com
>

I used to run VirtualBox on my iMac (and ran Windows 7). I was just
concerned about the running VirtualBox on Windows 10 and emulating Windows
10... I'm not sure I have another copy of Windows 10 to run, nor am I sure
that I have enough memory (computer RAM or graphics card RAM) to properly
support a Win10 VM.

As for testing, there are two kinds: You can test the actual bugs fixed by
getting on the GNUcash bug reporting system and looking at recent changes.
However, I gathered from a previous post that even more needful of that is
to have regression testing done -- making sure that a new "fix" hasn't
broken any existing features... this is where a lot of regular users could
be handy... just create a "safe" environment (such as the aforementioned
VM) with a copy of one's GNUcash file, and then just do the things you
normally do to ensure that they still work correctly. I get the idea that
this could be immensely helpful, as everyone has certain areas that they
use frequently.
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Micah 6:8
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[GNC] Strange bug in Reports after upgrading to 5.4

[Leo Braga via gnucash-user]

Hi,

I'm a long time home user (for personal finances) and I was "stuck" in
2.6.12 for a long time, until deciding to upgrade to 5.4 last month.
Everything was looking good, but now I found a very strange bug in my
Reports (Expense or Income Charts to be precise).

What happens is that some entries dated the 1st of the month are reported
in the previous month! So an entry dated Nov 1st is computed in the Expense
Over Time report for October, for instance.

I don't think this is affecting all entries dated on the 1st of a month,
but maybe yes? What I tested is that if I go to such an entry, change it to
the 2nd day of the month for instance, *then change back to the 1st*, and
then refresh the report, the reporting is now correct!

Any help would be greatly appreciated, as it will be crazy to go through
all entries for 2023 to fix this (for 2022 and earlier I have different
back-ups and thus don't care so much).

Thanks,
Leo.
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Re: [GNC] gnucash crashes on vendor or customer searches

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I would very much appreciate if you would show somehow how much of this email 
you would like included in my replies? 


Hi David:
Thanks for directing me to the Bug List:
I found that this issue has probably fully covered in Bug Reports 799168, 
799176, and 799183
I have re-installed version 5.4 and it has no similar issues. I will wait for 
the next update (?) before
installing new.

Thanks Again,
Eric Hammond

   5. Re:  New problem, could not find how to report possible bug
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 20:28:45 +
From: Eric Hammond 
To: "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" 
Cc: Eric Hammond 
Subject: [GNC] New problem, could not find how to report possible bug
Message-ID:



Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


This may not be the proper forum, if not I would appreciate re-direction:

I have "Build ID: 5.5+(2023-12-16)"
When searching a specific Vendor, gnucash instantly shuts down.
The lock is not cleared, but the file is re-openable.

This does not happen with any other activity, so far.

Thank you for your help,
Eric Hammond

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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 07:05:10 +1000
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To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] New problem, could not find how to report possible
bug
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Eric,

Abouta bit over halfway down the wiki page under the heading "Commenting on 
existing bugs or entering new ones" on the second line there is a link to "Open 
a New GnuCash bug" which is not highlighted as a link but does work and takes 
you to the login page of the Bugzilla. If you already don't have an account, 
the "create a new account" link will setup an accounton Bugzilla. 

David Cousens

On Wed, 2023-12-27 at 20:28 +, Eric Hammond wrote:
> 
> This may not be the proper forum, if not I would appreciate re-direction:
> 
> I have "Build ID: 5.5+(2023-12-16)"
> When searching a specific Vendor, gnucash instantly shuts down.
> The lock is not cleared, but the file is re-openable.
> 
> This does not happen with any other activity, so far.
> 
> Thank you for your help,
> Eric Hammond
> 
> Subject: Digest Footer
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[Jonathan Knepher via gnucash-user]

A quick note to say that I have to disagree with the getting worse 
proposition, and to express my thanks to the volunteers that make it 
possible.


GnuCash is great.  There aren't really any other open source 
alternatives that have all of the pieces together.  Native Linux 
support, complies cleanly on Gentoo, cloud-free, MariaDB support, a SQL 
data model that is easily understandable and extendable, OFX, a code 
base that is easy to maintain a local patchset, and flexible data import 
options.  I'm grateful for the continuos improvements.



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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[David Cousens]

Richard,

Given the relatively small pool of active developers it is inevitable that there
will be occasions where major changes in external libraries, operating systems
as well as banking systems and technology and accounting practice can result in
a cascade of bugs in the program and the developers are going to face a period
of catchup to track them all down. The lack of a large pool of beta testers
means that bugs, particularly the more subtle ones, are not necessarily found
quickly. These days bugs are very rarely associated with the core engine of the
program and are mainly in the gui/presentation/reports  parts of the program so
the core accounting functionality is rarely affected. Keeping and expanding an
active pool of developers is an eternal problem in any sort of open source
project.  All we can do is contribute what and where we can and be grateful for
the hard work of those who made and make GnuCash possible. I had hoped to be
more involved after retiring but life had other plans and has imposed other
priorities.

David Cousens


On Wed, 2023-12-27 at 22:33 -0600, R Losey wrote:
> Let me start off by trying to avoid hateful responses...
> 
> I worked in the software industry, and the programs I supported have had
> their share of issues. I remember (with hung head) when we went through a
> patch in which we would claim to have fixed a problem, only to have it
> recur, and then fixed that and then had another problem occur. It was a
> really bad time, and we took a lot of heat for it.
> 
> I also know that GnuCash is free, thanks to the intense dedication of a
> relatively small number of people... for whom and to whom, I am very
> grateful.
> 
> However.
> 
> I started using GnuCash about 8 years ago, and I generally upgraded each
> quarter as the new versions came out. My own experience in software led me
> to delay doing the update for 7-10 days -- just in case there was a bug
> that necessitated a re-release (and it happened just enough to make me glad
> I waited from time to time).
> 
> I am still running 5.3 because (as has been documented here), the 5.4
> windows release had a bug that left a process running.  "No problem", I
> thought -- I'll just skip 5.4 and install 5.5 when it comes out.
> 
> Well, 5.5 is out, and it looks like the Scheduled Transactions no longer
> function properly, especially in regard to variable placeholders. This is a
> feature I used and cannot use GnuCash if this is broken. This makes 5.5
> also unusable for me. This is the first time I can remember when I could
> not download a new release - let alone two of them.
> 
> I don't know what the problem is or what the best solution is -- perhaps
> everyone on this list could contribute a few dollars to give
> the hardworking developers a chance to "re-charge", as it were? Perhaps
> a quarter needs to be spent only fixing bugs and ignoring adding new
> features? Perhaps the developers just need to take a break for a quarter?
> 
> I don't mean this at all in a harsh or critical way; I am just concerned
> that a program I really like seems to be slipping somehow.
> 
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Re: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 249, Issue 70

[Andrew Gross]

*Subject: Re: [GNC] How is "auto asset transfer" used in an asset
account?Andrew You may find some information in this section of the GnuCash
guidehttps://www.gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-guide/chapter_invest.html
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Cousens*

Hi David, Looked around, didn't see anything.  I also tried a google search
with the operand "site:gnucash.org" but that didn't reveal anything
either.  Appreciate your input though.  Maybe this is just something new
that hasn't been documented yet.

Andrew


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>4.  New problem, could not find how to report possible bug
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> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 18:33:46 +
> Subject: [GNC] GNUcash for multiple users
> Hello, I have been an active user for a decade now but I have been out of
> the loop for updates.
>
> Are there any options for having GNU on multiple computers to where GNU
> can be used at the same time?
>
> Thanks!
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>
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>
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> Cc: "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" 
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> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 14:06:06 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GNC] GNUcash for multiple users
> Sorry. no.
> -derek
>
> On Wed, December 27, 2023 1:33 pm, Martijn Heuts wrote:
> > Hello, I have been an active user for a decade now but I have been out of
> > the loop for updates.
> >
> > Are there any options for having GNU on multiple computers to where GNU
> > can be used at the same time?
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> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 15:14:30 -0500
> Subject: [GNC] How is "auto asset transfer" used in an asset account?
> Greetings all,
>
> I am creating a new account to hold bonds and started to create an asset
> account; I see there is a checkbox for "auto interest transfer".  I have
> not been able to find any definitive text on how to use this feature
> although I have found mentions here
> <
> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-announce/2020-July/000326.html
> >
> and
> mentions possibly related to it such as in a couple of postings in August
> 2022.
>
> Can anyone point me to where I could find more information?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
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> To: "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" 
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> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 20:28:45 +
> Subject: [GNC] New problem, could not find how to report possible bug
>
> This may not be the proper forum, if not I would appreciate re-direction:
>
> I have "Build ID: 5.5+(2023-12-16)"
> When searching a specific Vendor, gnucash instantly shuts down.
> The lock is not cleared, but the file is re-openable.
>
> This does not happen with any other activity, so far.
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[Fred Bone]

On 28 December 2023 at 11:05, R Losey said:

[...]
> Since I've been on this mailing list (much less time than I've been using
> GnuCash), I have always waited and watched this list for experiences with
> the new version; it was thanks to this list that I heard about the extra
> process problem with 5.4 and the Scheduled Transaction issue with 5.5.
> 
> I supposed the best way to beta test new versions would be to create a VM
> and play with it there; I wouldn't want to corrupt my good working copy or
> financial records.

The other approach is PortableApps. The current GnuCash Portable is 5.4. 
Y

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Re: [GNC] gnucash crashes on vendor or customer searches

[Mark via gnucash-user]

Dec 28, 2023 14:28:59 Eric Hammond :

> I would very much appreciate if you would show somehow how much of this email 
> you would like included in my replies?

Only the part you're replying to.
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)]

On 28 December 2023 at 11:05, R Losey said:
> I supposed the best way to beta test new versions would be to create a VM
> and play with it there; I wouldn't want to corrupt my good working copy or
> financial records.

On 2023-12-28 14:34, Fred Bone wrote:
> The other approach is PortableApps. The current GnuCash Portable is 5.4. 

Are the portable apps produced by the GnuCash team or by same third
party? I would worry that a bug in the "real" GC might not occur in the
portable one, for instance if writing to %APPDATA% or accessing the
Windows System Registry is concerned. And it could go the other way too:
the process of portabilizing might create a bug that was not in "real"
GC, wasting debugging time.

I don't know enough about the code base to know that these things _will_
happen, but unless we're really certain they cannot I'd prefer to see
extra volunteer testing on "real" GC.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
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Re: [GNC] auto _interest_ transfer

[David Reiser via gnucash-user]

There is a tool tip for that choice. While you can see the option, hold your 
mouse pointer over the text, and an explanation pops up.
--
Dave Reiser
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> On Dec 28, 2023, at 5:31 PM, Andrew Gross  wrote:
> 
> *Subject: Re: [GNC] How is "auto asset transfer" used in an asset
> account?Andrew You may find some information in this section of the GnuCash
> guidehttps://www.gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-guide/chapter_invest.html
> David
> Cousens*
> 
> Hi David, Looked around, didn't see anything.  I also tried a google search
> with the operand "site:gnucash.org" but that didn't reveal anything
> either.  Appreciate your input though.  Maybe this is just something new
> that hasn't been documented yet.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:41 PM  wrote:
> 
>> From: Andrew Gross 
>> To: GNU Cash User 
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 15:14:30 -0500
>> Subject: [GNC] How is "auto asset transfer" used in an asset account?
>> Greetings all,
>> 
>> I am creating a new account to hold bonds and started to create an asset
>> account; I see there is a checkbox for "auto interest transfer".  I have
>> not been able to find any definitive text on how to use this feature
>> although I have found mentions here
>> <
>> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-announce/2020-July/000326.html
>>> 
>> and
>> mentions possibly related to it such as in a couple of postings in August
>> 2022.
>> 
>> Can anyone point me to where I could find more information?

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Re: [GNC] How is "auto asset transfer" used in an asset account?

[Adrien Monteleone]

Andrew,

I could be mistaken, but I think Google dropped support for such 
advanced searches a few years ago.


DuckDuckGo still supports it as far as I can tell.

-

As to your issue, I could also be mistaken or confused with another 
feature, but I think auto-interest (not "auto-asset"—that one I've never 
seen before) is only possible with certain types of accounts, and even 
then, you need to activate it with a checkbox either when creating the 
account or when editing it.


Once active, it should prompt you for an interest amount, but I don't 
think it automatically just adds some determined percentage. If I'm 
correct, I think the time when it prompts is upon reconciliation.


I don't recall if it was this interest feature or an auto-payment 
feature that was not too long ago up for discussion concerning removal. 
There is a thread (or bug) on it. (or rather on the -dev list than 
-user) But it may have been left alone as of now for backwards 
compatibility.


-
Thanks for putting the subject at the beginning of your post test, but 
please if it isn't too much trouble, just replace the default subject 
line instead as I did here.


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/28/23 4:31 PM, Andrew Gross wrote:

Hi David, Looked around, didn't see anything.  I also tried a google search
with the operand "site:gnucash.org" but that didn't reveal anything
either.  Appreciate your input though.  Maybe this is just something new
that hasn't been documented yet.


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Re: [GNC] How is "auto asset transfer" used in an asset account?

[Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)]

On 12/28/23 4:31 PM, Andrew Gross wrote:
> I also tried a google 
> search with the operand "site:gnucash.org" but that didn't reveal
> anything either.
On 2023-12-28 16:17, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> I could be mistaken, but I think Google dropped support for such
> advanced searches a few years ago.

Some of them, yes. The plus sign and the quote marks no longer work as
advertised, for instance.

But "site:" still works, at least for now. I use it all the time.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
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Re: [GNC] gnucash crashes on vendor or customer searches

[Adrien Monteleone]

On 12/28/23 2:27 PM, Eric Hammond wrote:

I would very much appreciate if you would show somehow how much of this email 
you would like included in my replies?


Eric,

Does my quotation amount illustrate the answer? (you can cut out all the 
fluff & boilerplate, just the part you are replying to is fine for context)


Some mail clients have a feature where if you highlight what you want to 
quote and *then* hit reply-all/reply-list, only the highlighted part 
will be quoted. That way, you don't have to delete extraneous material 
before and after.



When searching a specific Vendor, gnucash instantly shuts down.
The lock is not cleared, but the file is re-openable.


For completeness, the lock is never cleared on a crash. You will always 
get that warning message, but you should still be able to open the file. 
If not, then that is indeed a serious bug. (or maybe two bugs)


Also, read up on the wiki about Tracefiles. You can only obtain one 
*before* you restart GnuCash after a crash. Thus, if you experience a 
crash, step 1 would be to get a Tracefile saved (as it gets overwritten 
every time GnuCash launches) and then document the immediate steps that 
led to the crash. (every recent click and dialog/tab if possible) And 
then upon re-launch, try to repeat the scenario/steps to make it crash 
again. (Repeatable crashes are oddly re-assuring in that it means an 
explicit set of steps produces the crash, thus the steps can offer a 
clue on where in the code lies the problem. Random and inconsistent 
crashes are not fun to track down.)


It is also important on crashes (or any bug) to include your OS and 
version as some bugs only exist in some environments and not others.



Regards,
Adrien

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Re: [GNC] Strange bug in Reports after upgrading to 5.4

[Adrien Monteleone]

This sounds like a time zone issue. Long after 2.6.12, at least one bug 
was discovered where some transactions ended up with an 'internal' date 
different than the displayed date due to certain code with respect to 
time zone interpretation. You might have more transactions off than just 
those on the 1st of the month, but those are illustrating the issue.


It will not hurt, if you have not done so, (which *should* have been 
part of your upgrade procedure) to run Actions > Check & Repair > Check 
& Repair all on your file. (make a backup first, just to be safe)


If that doesn't work, or you have already done so, then maybe one of the 
devs with more intimate knowledge and better memory of this particular 
issue can offer advice.


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/28/23 1:19 PM, Leo Braga via gnucash-user wrote:

Hi,

I'm a long time home user (for personal finances) and I was "stuck" in
2.6.12 for a long time, until deciding to upgrade to 5.4 last month.
Everything was looking good, but now I found a very strange bug in my
Reports (Expense or Income Charts to be precise).

What happens is that some entries dated the 1st of the month are reported
in the previous month! So an entry dated Nov 1st is computed in the Expense
Over Time report for October, for instance.

I don't think this is affecting all entries dated on the 1st of a month,
but maybe yes? What I tested is that if I go to such an entry, change it to
the 2nd day of the month for instance, *then change back to the 1st*, and
then refresh the report, the reporting is now correct!

Any help would be greatly appreciated, as it will be crazy to go through
all entries for 2023 to fix this (for 2022 and earlier I have different
back-ups and thus don't care so much).


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Re: [GNC] How is "auto asset transfer" used in an asset account?

[Adrien Monteleone]

Good to know, thanks Stan!

Regards,
Adrien

On 12/28/23 6:31 PM, Stan Brown (using GC 4.14) wrote:

Some of them, yes. The plus sign and the quote marks no longer work as
advertised, for instance.

But "site:" still works, at least for now. I use it all the time.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[Adrien Monteleone]

I'd offer as a comparison other projects and commercial products where 
the developers aren't nearly as 'Johnny on the Spot' or as helpful and 
responsive, or even accessible, but then, that wouldn't be any 
comparison at all.


This dev team is hands down awesome and why I continue to use GnuCash 
and likely always will.


I don't mind the bugs. I get that isn't for everyone, but then, simply 
don't be so quick to upgrade. That goes for any product, digital or 
physical.


Regards,
Adrien

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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[Adrien Monteleone]

I'm fairly certain you can create a VM of a running instance of Win10 
though I can't speak to how that works for licensing.


MS does allow some testing VMs, so perhaps investigate that first and 
how to set it up to their liking.


Another option might be a container like Docker, though I'm not 
personally familiar with it running GnuCash.


Alternatively, though this won't allow testing on Windows, you could 
test releases either with a Linux VM or with WSL. (Windows Subsystem for 
Linux) Of course, such testing wouldn't expose a Windows specific bug.


On that note, some folks have attempted WSL and GnuCash and the Wiki 
could use some sprucing up if anyone was interested in that avenue.


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/28/23 12:29 PM, R Losey wrote:

I used to run VirtualBox on my iMac (and ran Windows 7). I was just
concerned about the running VirtualBox on Windows 10 and emulating Windows
10... I'm not sure I have another copy of Windows 10 to run, nor am I sure
that I have enough memory (computer RAM or graphics card RAM) to properly
support a Win10 VM.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[Adrien Monteleone]

3rd party as far as I am aware.

Regards,
Adrien

On 12/28/23 6:12 PM, Stan Brown (using GC 4.14) wrote:

Are the portable apps produced by the GnuCash team or by same third
party?


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[Geoff]

If you are already running Windows 10/11 with an existing Pro, 
Enterprise, or Education licence (but not a Home licence) then Windows 
Sandbox is an easy way to create a (temporary) Virtual Machine, and it 
only requires 4GB RAM and 1GB free disc space.  You don't need a 
separate licence.


https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/application-security/application-isolation/windows-sandbox/windows-sandbox-overview

https://www.howtogeek.com/399290/how-to-use-windows-10s-new-sandbox-to-safely-test-apps/

https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/how-to-use-windows-sandbox-on-windows-11

Fire up a Sandbox, download and install the latest GnuCash binary, and 
away you go in a pristine Windows environment that is safely isolated 
from the rest of your computer.


Otherwise, as Stan mentioned, Oracle's free VirtualBox runs on Windows, 
but you will need to install a version of Windows in the Virtual Machine 
that you create.

https://www.virtualbox.org/


Geoff
=

On 29/12/2023 12:09 pm, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
I'm fairly certain you can create a VM of a running instance of Win10 
though I can't speak to how that works for licensing.


MS does allow some testing VMs, so perhaps investigate that first and 
how to set it up to their liking.


Another option might be a container like Docker, though I'm not 
personally familiar with it running GnuCash.


Alternatively, though this won't allow testing on Windows, you could 
test releases either with a Linux VM or with WSL. (Windows Subsystem for 
Linux) Of course, such testing wouldn't expose a Windows specific bug.


On that note, some folks have attempted WSL and GnuCash and the Wiki 
could use some sprucing up if anyone was interested in that avenue.


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/28/23 12:29 PM, R Losey wrote:

I used to run VirtualBox on my iMac (and ran Windows 7). I was just
concerned about the running VirtualBox on Windows 10 and emulating 
Windows
10... I'm not sure I have another copy of Windows 10 to run, nor am I 
sure

that I have enough memory (computer RAM or graphics card RAM) to properly
support a Win10 VM.


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Re: [GNC] auto _interest_ transfer

[Andrew Gross]

David,

Understood.  Thank you!!

Andrew


On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 7:15 PM David Reiser  wrote:

> There is a tool tip for that choice. While you can see the option, hold
> your mouse pointer over the text, and an explanation pops up.
> --
> Dave Reiser
> dbrei...@icloud.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2023, at 5:31 PM, Andrew Gross  wrote:
>
> *Subject: Re: [GNC] How is "auto asset transfer" used in an asset
> account?Andrew You may find some information in this section of the GnuCash
> guidehttps://www.gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-guide/chapter_invest.html
> David
> Cousens*
>
> Hi David, Looked around, didn't see anything.  I also tried a google search
> with the operand "site:gnucash.org" but that didn't reveal anything
> either.  Appreciate your input though.  Maybe this is just something new
> that hasn't been documented yet.
>
> Andrew
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:41 PM  wrote:
>
> From: Andrew Gross 
> To: GNU Cash User 
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 15:14:30 -0500
> Subject: [GNC] How is "auto asset transfer" used in an asset account?
> Greetings all,
>
> I am creating a new account to hold bonds and started to create an asset
> account; I see there is a checkbox for "auto interest transfer".  I have
> not been able to find any definitive text on how to use this feature
> although I have found mentions here
> <
> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-announce/2020-July/000326.html
>
>
> and
> mentions possibly related to it such as in a couple of postings in August
> 2022.
>
> Can anyone point me to where I could find more information?
>
>
>
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[GNC] VENDOR REPORT

[Panagiotis Klivokiotis]

When I try to open a vendor"s report the program closes, a file is created
with extension LCK tha does not disappear. Can you help?

-- 
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Epicurus Learning Centre
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Re: [GNC] VENDOR REPORT

[Adrien Monteleone]

The LCK (lock) file is created when GnuCash opens to prevent, via 
warning, someone else (or you) attempting to open the file twice at the 
same time. (GnuCash does not support simultaneous file access)


When GnuCash shuts down normally, the lock file is deleted.

When GnuCash crashes, the lock file remains, and upon re-starting 
GnuCash, you get a warning that the file is 'already open'. If you know 
this is the case, you can choose to 'open anyway' and proceed as before.


However, crashes should not happen and should be reported here and/or 
filed as bug reports.


There is already another thread here posted about a crash related to 
'searching' for a vendor, though there were no additional specifics 
offered. (it could have been in the context of trying to run a vendor 
report, but that is not confirmed at this time)


If you can get the crash to happen repeatedly and reliably with the same 
steps (clicks), then please file a bug report if you don't find one 
already filed with that info. Also, check the Wiki on how to obtain a 
Tracefile on your system as that may be requested for the bug report. 
(you need to get this file *before* restarting GnuCash after a crash as 
it is overwritten each time.)


Regards,
Adrien

On 12/28/23 8:18 PM, Panagiotis Klivokiotis wrote:

When I try to open a vendor"s report the program closes, a file is created
with extension LCK tha does not disappear. Can you help?



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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)]

On 2023-12-28 17:26, Geoff wrote:
> If you are already running Windows 10/11 with an existing Pro,
> Enterprise, or Education licence (but not a Home licence) then Windows
> Sandbox is an easy way to create a (temporary) Virtual Machine, and it
> only requires 4GB RAM and 1GB free disc space.  You don't need a
> separate licence.
> 
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/application-security/application-isolation/windows-sandbox/windows-sandbox-overview
> 
> https://www.howtogeek.com/399290/how-to-use-windows-10s-new-sandbox-to-safely-test-apps/
> 
> https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/how-to-use-windows-sandbox-on-windows-11
> 
> Fire up a Sandbox, download and install the latest GnuCash binary, and
> away you go in a pristine Windows environment that is safely isolated
> from the rest of your computer.

I forgot about Windows Sandbox. Thanks for the reminder. My desktop has
Windows Pro, nut my laptop has Windows Home so Windows Sandbox is a
non-starter there.

> Otherwise, as Stan mentioned, Oracle's free VirtualBox runs on Windows,
> but you will need to install a version of Windows in the Virtual Machine
> that you create.
> https://www.virtualbox.org/

And you can run Windows 10 or 11 without a license. A very few things
won't work, like custom background for desktop, but you won't be missing
anything you need.

Reference: You Don’t Need a Product Key to Install and Use Windows 10


You Can Install and Use Windows 11 Without a Product Key


I successfully installed and ran Windows 10 in a VirtualBox without a
Windows product key, during my three-step upgrade from 2.6.19, using the
Windows 10 reference above. I haven't tested the Windows 11 procedure,
but it's from the same source, one that is usually reliable.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[R Losey]

That's fine, and I ponder upon what I wrote, I think that "worse" was not
the best word... GnuCash is adding some nice features and I enjoy it very
much... A better word may have been "more bug-ridden". I don't remember
having as many problems with releases until this year.


On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 2:52 PM Jonathan Knepher via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> A quick note to say that I have to disagree with the getting worse
> proposition, and to express my thanks to the volunteers that make it
> possible.
>
> GnuCash is great.  There aren't really any other open source
> alternatives that have all of the pieces together.  Native Linux
> support, complies cleanly on Gentoo, cloud-free, MariaDB support, a SQL
> data model that is easily understandable and extendable, OFX, a code
> base that is easy to maintain a local patchset, and flexible data import
> options.  I'm grateful for the continuos improvements.
>
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[R Losey]

Noted, but is that really the case in 5.4 where a process was left running
(in Windows), causing problems for GnuCash users? That didn't seem to be
related to externals.

And the bug in 5.5 where Scheduled transactions don't work with variables,
or crash the system -- that seems to be tied to a too-quick-fix in the
Scheduled transactions.

I am well familiar with OS changes causing problems, and library changes
causing problems, and my own bug fixes causing a problem to show up
somewhere else, and I have enormous respect for those who work on GnuCash.

It just seems to me that the recent releases have been much more
"bug-ridden" than the 4.x releases.


On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 4:00 PM David Cousens 
wrote:

> Richard,
>
> Given the relatively small pool of active developers it is inevitable that
> there
> will be occasions where major changes in external libraries, operating
> systems
> as well as banking systems and technology and accounting practice can
> result in
> a cascade of bugs in the program and the developers are going to face a
> period
> of catchup to track them all down. The lack of a large pool of beta testers
> means that bugs, particularly the more subtle ones, are not necessarily
> found
> quickly. These days bugs are very rarely associated with the core engine
> of the
> program and are mainly in the gui/presentation/reports  parts of the
> program so
> the core accounting functionality is rarely affected. Keeping and
> expanding an
> active pool of developers is an eternal problem in any sort of open source
> project.  All we can do is contribute what and where we can and be
> grateful for
> the hard work of those who made and make GnuCash possible. I had hoped to
> be
> more involved after retiring but life had other plans and has imposed other
> priorities.
>
> David Cousens
>
>
> On Wed, 2023-12-27 at 22:33 -0600, R Losey wrote:
> > Let me start off by trying to avoid hateful responses...
> >
> > I worked in the software industry, and the programs I supported have had
> > their share of issues. I remember (with hung head) when we went through a
> > patch in which we would claim to have fixed a problem, only to have it
> > recur, and then fixed that and then had another problem occur. It was a
> > really bad time, and we took a lot of heat for it.
> >
> > I also know that GnuCash is free, thanks to the intense dedication of a
> > relatively small number of people... for whom and to whom, I am very
> > grateful.
> >
> > However.
> >
> > I started using GnuCash about 8 years ago, and I generally upgraded each
> > quarter as the new versions came out. My own experience in software led
> me
> > to delay doing the update for 7-10 days -- just in case there was a bug
> > that necessitated a re-release (and it happened just enough to make me
> glad
> > I waited from time to time).
> >
> > I am still running 5.3 because (as has been documented here), the 5.4
> > windows release had a bug that left a process running.  "No problem", I
> > thought -- I'll just skip 5.4 and install 5.5 when it comes out.
> >
> > Well, 5.5 is out, and it looks like the Scheduled Transactions no longer
> > function properly, especially in regard to variable placeholders. This
> is a
> > feature I used and cannot use GnuCash if this is broken. This makes 5.5
> > also unusable for me. This is the first time I can remember when I could
> > not download a new release - let alone two of them.
> >
> > I don't know what the problem is or what the best solution is -- perhaps
> > everyone on this list could contribute a few dollars to give
> > the hardworking developers a chance to "re-charge", as it were? Perhaps
> > a quarter needs to be spent only fixing bugs and ignoring adding new
> > features? Perhaps the developers just need to take a break for a quarter?
> >
> > I don't mean this at all in a harsh or critical way; I am just concerned
> > that a program I really like seems to be slipping somehow.
> >
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[R Losey]

Thanks; I haven't played with GnuCash Portable, and I don't know if that
would help do beta testing.


On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 4:35 PM Fred Bone  wrote:

> On 28 December 2023 at 11:05, R Losey said:
>
> [...]
> > Since I've been on this mailing list (much less time than I've been using
> > GnuCash), I have always waited and watched this list for experiences with
> > the new version; it was thanks to this list that I heard about the extra
> > process problem with 5.4 and the Scheduled Transaction issue with 5.5.
> >
> > I supposed the best way to beta test new versions would be to create a VM
> > and play with it there; I wouldn't want to corrupt my good working copy
> or
> > financial records.
>
> The other approach is PortableApps. The current GnuCash Portable is 5.4.
> Y
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[R Losey]

On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 7:03 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> I'd offer as a comparison other projects and commercial products where
> the developers aren't nearly as 'Johnny on the Spot' or as helpful and
> responsive, or even accessible, but then, that wouldn't be any
> comparison at all.
>
> This dev team is hands down awesome and why I continue to use GnuCash
> and likely always will.
>
> I don't mind the bugs. I get that isn't for everyone, but then, simply
> don't be so quick to upgrade. That goes for any product, digital or
> physical.
>

Fair enough. I very much admire the dedicated people who work on GnuCash. I
really like it and have no plans on moving away from it, unless I'm forced
to (for example, if GnuCash were to be abandoned and then not run on later
OSs)

I was just expressing concern that the last few releases seem far more
bug-ridden than I remember any of the 4.x releases being.

There are bugs that I don't mind (usually related to features I don't use -
heh). Other bugs could be bad.

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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[R Losey]

On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 12:07 AM Stan Brown (using GC 4.14) <
stan...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> On 2023-12-28 17:26, Geoff wrote:
> > If you are already running Windows 10/11 with an existing Pro,
> > Enterprise, or Education licence (but not a Home licence) then Windows
> > Sandbox is an easy way to create a (temporary) Virtual Machine, and it
> > only requires 4GB RAM and 1GB free disc space.  You don't need a
> > separate licence.
> >
> >
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/application-security/application-isolation/windows-sandbox/windows-sandbox-overview
> >
> >
> https://www.howtogeek.com/399290/how-to-use-windows-10s-new-sandbox-to-safely-test-apps/
> >
> >
> https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/how-to-use-windows-sandbox-on-windows-11
> >
> > Fire up a Sandbox, download and install the latest GnuCash binary, and
> > away you go in a pristine Windows environment that is safely isolated
> > from the rest of your computer.
>
> I forgot about Windows Sandbox. Thanks for the reminder. My desktop has
> Windows Pro, nut my laptop has Windows Home so Windows Sandbox is a
> non-starter there.
>
> > Otherwise, as Stan mentioned, Oracle's free VirtualBox runs on Windows,
> > but you will need to install a version of Windows in the Virtual Machine
> > that you create.
> > https://www.virtualbox.org/
>
> And you can run Windows 10 or 11 without a license. A very few things
> won't work, like custom background for desktop, but you won't be missing
> anything you need. It looks like it doesn't need a lot of resources, so
> that sounds good.
>

> Reference: You Don’t Need a Product Key to Install and Use Windows 10
> <
> https://www.howtogeek.com/244678/you-dont-need-a-product-key-to-install-and-use-windows-10/
> >
>
> You Can Install and Use Windows 11 Without a Product Key
> <
> https://www.howtogeek.com/871189/you-can-install-and-use-windows-11-without-a-product-key/
> >
>
> I successfully installed and ran Windows 10 in a VirtualBox without a
> Windows product key, during my three-step upgrade from 2.6.19, using the
> Windows 10 reference above. I haven't tested the Windows 11 procedure,
> but it's from the same source, one that is usually reliable.
>
> Stan Brown
> Tehachapi, CA, USA
> https://BrownMath.com
>

I'm pretty sure I'm running Win10 Pro; I had also forgotten about
Sandbox... that would be a great way to test out new releases. I appreciate
the information, and I can check it out. Hopefully, there is a way to
transfer files between the host and client that is relatively painless.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash getting worse?

[Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)]

On 2023-12-28 22:25, R Losey wrote:
> I'm pretty sure I'm running Win10 Pro; 

Settings » System » About

The easiest way to get into settings s the Windows Logo key + I, if you
have the Windows Logo key. If not, Google for "windows open settings"
(without quotes) and that will tell you.

I had also forgotten about
> Sandbox... that would be a great way to test out new releases. I
> appreciate the information, and I can check it out. Hopefully, there is
> a way to transfer files between the host and client that is relatively
> painless.

According to the reference I provided, you can Ctrl+C copy a file on one
side and then Ctrl+V paste it on the other. Not as intuitive as
drag-and-drop, but serviceable.

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