Re: [GNC] Backup

[Maf. King]

On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 00:46:45 BST James Baxter via gnucash-user wrote:
> I have a backup drive. I have looked over it and I don't see it. Does
> Gnucash have a backup. Or what. ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
> 

Hi James.

If you are using the default  XML file to store your GC data, then it is 
possible to have GC set up in a way so that the *program* creates a sort of 
back-up file each time you save the changes you have made to the *Data* file.  
(I think GC does this by default, if you don't explicitly tell GC not to in 
the program options)

May I ask a related (rhetorical) question?

How do you back up your other *data* files?  (ie your photos, letters you have 
written in a wordprocessor, for example)  

If those things are important to you, then you really should devise a system 
you are comfortable with so that your important digital assets can survive a 
range of threats - from minor disk errors thru ransomware or hardware failure 
up to catastrophies like fire, flood etc.  There is lots of info on the web 
about how to do this and there is no correct answer that is right for 
everyone... and it is not on-topic for this list...

 Just (as a minimum) include your GC data file in that backup strategy you 
devise if you don't know where you have saved your GC data file, then that 
is the first thing you need to figure out (hints: look at the main window title 
bar for the filename and File -> SaveAs for the folder (but don't actually 
"Save"!)) before you consider if the file is backed up adequately or not...

HTH,
Maf.



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Re: [GNC] Gun shy?

[Peter West via gnucash-user]

The only problem I’ve seen is the lack of completion in the Description field 
of splits.

—
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“For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”

> On 28 Jun 2023, at 3:57 pm, R Losey  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all of the feedback. I guess before I do financial work this
> week, I'll update my GnuCash from 5.1 to 5.3
> 
> I'm glad it's working fine!
> 
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 4:09 PM David H  > wrote:
> 
>> It's good and a lot more reliable than my banking apps lately :-)
>> 
>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 03:39, R Losey  wrote:
>> 
>>> (Heh) I wonder if we are all gun shy about downloading and installing
>>> GnuCash 5.3; I haven't seen anyone on this list say that they have used it
>>> and it is fine.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[James Baxter via gnucash-user]

David You are not tell me if the backup is working or not.
ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com 

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  On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 3:35 AM, Maf. King wrote:   On 
Wednesday, 28 June 2023 00:46:45 BST James Baxter via gnucash-user wrote:
> I have a backup drive. I have looked over it and I don't see it. Does
> Gnucash have a backup. Or what. ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
> 

Hi James.

If you are using the default  XML file to store your GC data, then it is 
possible to have GC set up in a way so that the *program* creates a sort of 
back-up file each time you save the changes you have made to the *Data* file.  
(I think GC does this by default, if you don't explicitly tell GC not to in 
the program options)

May I ask a related (rhetorical) question?

How do you back up your other *data* files?  (ie your photos, letters you have 
written in a wordprocessor, for example)  

If those things are important to you, then you really should devise a system 
you are comfortable with so that your important digital assets can survive a 
range of threats - from minor disk errors thru ransomware or hardware failure 
up to catastrophies like fire, flood etc.  There is lots of info on the web 
about how to do this and there is no correct answer that is right for 
everyone... and it is not on-topic for this list...

 Just (as a minimum) include your GC data file in that backup strategy you 
devise if you don't know where you have saved your GC data file, then that 
is the first thing you need to figure out (hints: look at the main window title 
bar for the filename and File -> SaveAs for the folder (but don't actually 
"Save"!)) before you consider if the file is backed up adequately or not...

HTH,
Maf.



  
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[Maf. King]

Hi James,

I'm Maf, not David, and I can't tell you that from here.

I would suggest that on a philosophical level, if you don't *know* that your 
back-up strategy is working (and you can recover files from it at will), then 
it might be time to rethink your strategy.

good luck,
Maf.

On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 11:49:46 BST you wrote:
> David You are not tell me if the backup is working or not.
> ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>   On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 3:35 AM, Maf. King wrote:   On 
Wednesday, 28 June 2023 00:46:45 BST James Baxter via gnucash-user wrote:
> > I have a backup drive. I have looked over it and I don't see it. Does
> > Gnucash have a backup. Or what. ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
> 
> Hi James.
> 
> If you are using the default  XML file to store your GC data, then it is
> possible to have GC set up in a way so that the *program* creates a sort of
> back-up file each time you save the changes you have made to the *Data*
> file.  (I think GC does this by default, if you don't explicitly tell GC
> not to in the program options)
> 
> May I ask a related (rhetorical) question?
> 
> How do you back up your other *data* files?  (ie your photos, letters you
> have written in a wordprocessor, for example)
> 
> If those things are important to you, then you really should devise a system
> you are comfortable with so that your important digital assets can survive
> a range of threats - from minor disk errors thru ransomware or hardware
> failure up to catastrophies like fire, flood etc.  There is lots of info on
> the web about how to do this and there is no correct answer that is right
> for everyone... and it is not on-topic for this list...
> 
>  Just (as a minimum) include your GC data file in that backup strategy you
> devise if you don't know where you have saved your GC data file, then
> that is the first thing you need to figure out (hints: look at the main
> window title bar for the filename and File -> SaveAs for the folder (but
> don't actually "Save"!)) before you consider if the file is backed up
> adequately or not...
> 
> HTH,
> Maf.




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[GNC] gnucash 5.3 compile errors

[John Griessen]

I'm having trouble with compile on my laptop even though the desktop compiles fine.  It must be a dependency problem.  I've 
followed the instructions, https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building_On_Linux, to the letter.  Following are symptom error messages, 
then a copy of the output during the cmake step.  any ideas about what dependency might be needed appreciated.


Symptoms:

722/865] Generating 
../../lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/guile/3.0/site-ccache/gnucash/locale/de_DE/tax/txf.go
wrote 
`/usr/local/src/gnucash-5.3-build/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/guile/3.0/site-ccache/gnucash/locale/de_DE/tax/txf.go'
[723/865] Linking CXX executable bin/gnucash
FAILED: bin/gnucash
: && /bin/c++ -Werror -Wall -Wmissing-declarations  gnucash/CMakeFiles/gnucash.dir/gnucash.cpp.o 
gnucash/CMakeFiles/gnucash.dir/gnucash-commands.cpp.o gnucash/CMakeFiles/gnucash.dir/gnucash-core-app.cpp.o 
gnucash/CMakeFiles/gnucash.dir/gnucash-gresources.c.o -o bin/gnucash 
-Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/src/gnucash-5.3-build/lib:/usr/local/src/gnucash-5.3-build/lib/gnucash:  lib/libgnc-module.so 
lib/gnucash/libgnc-qif-import.so  lib/gnucash/libgnc-csv-import.so  lib/gnucash/libgnc-csv-export.so 
lib/gnucash/libgnc-log-replay.so  lib/gnucash/libgnc-bi-import.so  lib/gnucash/libgnc-customer-import.so 
-L/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu  -lguile-3.0  -lgc  -lpthread  -ldl  lib/gnucash/libgnc-generic-import.so  lib/libgnc-gnome.so 
lib/gnucash/libgnc-ledger-core.so  lib/gnucash/libgnc-report.so  lib/gnucash/libgnc-expressions-guile.so 
lib/gnucash/libgnc-register-gnome.so  lib/gnucash/libgnc-register-core.so  lib/gnucash/libgnc-gnome-search.so  lib/libgnc-html.so 
lib/gnucash/libgnc-gnome-utils.so  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-3.so  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgdk-3.so 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpangocairo-1.0.so  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpango-1.0.so 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libharfbuzz.so  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libatk-1.0.so  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcairo-gobject.so 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcairo.so  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgio-2.0.so 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so  lib/gnucash/libgnc-expressions.so  lib/libgnc-locale-tax.so  lib/libgnucash-guile.so 
-lguile-3.0  -lgc  -lpthread  -ldl  lib/libgnc-backend-xml-utils.so  -lz  -ldl  -lsecret-1  lib/libgnc-app-utils.so  -lgio-2.0 
-lxslt  -lxml2  lib/libgnc-engine.so  -L/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu  -lgobject-2.0  -licui18n  -licuuc  -licudata 
-Wl,--export-dynamic  -lgmodule-2.0  -lglib-2.0  -pthread  lib/libgnc-core-utils.so 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_date_time.so.1.74.0  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_filesystem.so.1.74.0 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_locale.so.1.74.0  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_chrono.so.1.74.0 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_thread.so.1.74.0  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_atomic.so.1.74.0 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_program_options.so.1.74.0  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_regex.so.1.74.0 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_system.so.1.74.0  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so && :

/bin/ld: lib/libgnc-core-utils.so: undefined reference to 
`boost::filesystem::detail::dir_itr_imp::~dir_itr_imp()'
/bin/ld: lib/libgnc-core-utils.so: undefined reference to 
`boost::filesystem::path::find_relative_path() const'
/bin/ld: lib/libgnc-core-utils.so: undefined reference to 
`boost::filesystem::path::compare_v3(boost::filesystem::path const&) const'
/bin/ld: lib/libgnc-core-utils.so: undefined reference to 
`boost::filesystem::path::find_parent_path_size() const'
/bin/ld: lib/libgnc-core-utils.so: undefined reference to 
`boost::filesystem::path::append_v3(char const*, char const*)'
/bin/ld: lib/libgnc-app-utils.so: undefined reference to 
`boost::filesystem::path::append_v3(boost::filesystem::path const&)'
/bin/ld: lib/libgnc-core-utils.so: undefined reference to 
`boost::filesystem::detail::dir_itr_imp::operator delete(void*)'
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[724/865] Generating 
../../lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/guile/3.0/site-ccache/gnucash/gnome-utils/gnc-menu-extensions.go
wrote 
`/usr/local/src/gnucash-5.3-build/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/guile/3.0/site-ccache/gnucash/gnome-utils/gnc-menu-extensions.go'
[725/865] Generating 
../../lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/guile/3.0/site-ccache/gnucash/locale/us/tax/txf.go
wrote 
`/usr/local/src/gnucash-5.3-build/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/guile/3.0/site-ccache/gnucash/locale/us/tax/txf.go'
ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed.

cmake output:

(anaconda3)john@cultlab4 [gnucash-5.3-build]cmake -GNinja 
-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX="/usr/local" ../gnucash-5.3
-- The C compiler identification is GNU 11.3.0
-- The CXX compiler identification is GNU 11.3.0
-- Detecting C compiler ABI info
-- Detecting C compiler ABI info - done
-- Check for working C compiler: /bin/cc - skipped
-- Detecting C compile features
-- Detecting C compile features - done
-- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info
-- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info - done
-- Check for working CXX co

Re: [GNC] Backup

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 6/28/2023 7:18 AM, Maf. King wrote:

Hi James,

I'm Maf, not David, and I can't tell you that from here.

I would suggest that on a philosophical level, if you don't *know* that your
back-up strategy is working (and you can recover files from it at will), then
it might be time to rethink your strategy.

good luck,
Maf.

And I strongly suggest that your backup strategy simply back up all your 
user data (and individually). In other words, back up the entire 
directory or directories (if not simply doing your user directory). Why?


a) It is less work to set up. Might take a bit more space, but these 
days space is CHEAP.


b) There will be no question whether some bit of data has been backed 
up. That's the risk when specifying file by file (or subdirectory by 
subdirectory). You might forget to add a new one.


c) The structure will be the same in the backup as on the computer. 
Makes it easy to find if doing a restore of just one file, etc.


d)  Relatively quick to make a second copy (of the first backup) to be 
stored safely elsewhere. For example, you might be making daily/weekly 
backups keeping the last N of them but make a second copy of the last 
each month and keep that "off site".


e) I strongly suggest you include in the name of each backup directory 
the Julian date << from a person who in my working days experienced the 
hell week when a file was restored from the wrong backup at one of the 
world's larger "financials". And what got me my second big 
bonus/recognition and being made "honorary systems support" in the 
aftermath for devising a system to prevent that from ever happening again.


Michael D Novack --- who had a house fire in 2006 that burned just the 
room computers were in but smoke/water damage affected backups kept 
elsewhere in the house. These now "live" in a fire box inside a dead 
fridge out in the barn/garage.



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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Dustin Henning]

I haven't upgraded quite that far yet, but I am on 5.x on macOS and I 
also don't have the problem described by the OP.  Regardless, I am 
definitely not a fan of the new feature.  Previously, I could type a few 
letters and have the field populated how I wanted, now I have to select 
from a huge list after typing the same letters, so I find it incredibly 
inconvenient and prefer the way the memo field (still) works. I don't 
mind the popup, tbh, I just wish the field was still filled in the old 
way so I could hit tab and be done instead of having to go to the mouse 
and select from a list. That having been said, as a general observation 
(across many different softwares over the last few years vs a GnuCash 
specific observation), it sure seems like convenience features get less 
and less convenient and interfere with previously built-in convenient 
functionalty more and more as software gets more complicated.


On 6/27/23 10:47 PM, David H wrote:

Steve/David,

Working fine here on Win 11 also. What type of register are you seeing the
issue in?

Cheers David H.


On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 12:06, David H  wrote:


Working as intended here on Windows 10, will also try Win 11 shortly, no
freezing, gibberish works also :-)

Cheers David H.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 11:54, David Cousens 
wrote:


Steve,

There is AFAIK no general way to turn off auto-completion but when it is
initiated and highlights a transaction which it thinks is a match, there
is a
popup "Don't autocomplete" above that first matching transaction which
allows
you to choose not to autocomplete by clicking on it.  The behaviour you
describe
with "A-T" and "U-Z" doesn't occur in V5.3 built on Linux (Mint 21.3) so
it may
be a Windows library problem rather than the GnuCash code itself.

You could raise a feature bug requesting the option of disabling
autocompletion
completely or even on a register by register basis.

David Cousens

On Tue, 2023-06-27 at 18:15 -0700, Steve Miller wrote:

Window 11 user here.  I finally upgraded to the 5 series, 5.3

specifically.

It all works great EXCEPT the autofill on the description in the

register.

I wish there was an option in the preferences to turn that OFF.

I've spent more time playing around with that than I care to remember...
things I experience with it?

If I type any letter A-T, the list of prior descriptions pops up, but

if I

type a letter U-Z it freezes.

if I type gibberish really fast when I get into the description box, I

can

make the gibberish appear (not that that is useful!)

But if i try to type anything else, it generally (85%) of the time, will
freeze when I get to the second letter.  Then i have to delete the

entry.

I've tried re-downloading 5.3, I've tried re-starting GnuCash

repeatedly,

I've rebooted, I've changed the size of window for GnuCash, so I dunno,

I'm

about to go back to version 4.14 or whatever I've been using for past
several years.

I just wish there was a way to switch that "feature" off...  I can't

get it

consistently, or most of the time to work.  I'm quite happy manually

typing

in descriptions...
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[Fross, Michael]

GNUCash does backups by default if you use XML.  Every time you save there
is a backup made.  It sits in the same directory as your main data file (I
wish you could specify a specific folder.)

However, what the folks on this chain are talking about is a backup of
those files in case the hard drive fails or gets corrupted.  So, yes the
program creates backups, but you really need more than that.

Michael

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 9:14 AM Michael or Penny Novack <
stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 6/28/2023 7:18 AM, Maf. King wrote:
> > Hi James,
> >
> > I'm Maf, not David, and I can't tell you that from here.
> >
> > I would suggest that on a philosophical level, if you don't *know* that
> your
> > back-up strategy is working (and you can recover files from it at will),
> then
> > it might be time to rethink your strategy.
> >
> > good luck,
> > Maf.
> >
> And I strongly suggest that your backup strategy simply back up all your
> user data (and individually). In other words, back up the entire
> directory or directories (if not simply doing your user directory). Why?
>
> a) It is less work to set up. Might take a bit more space, but these
> days space is CHEAP.
>
> b) There will be no question whether some bit of data has been backed
> up. That's the risk when specifying file by file (or subdirectory by
> subdirectory). You might forget to add a new one.
>
> c) The structure will be the same in the backup as on the computer.
> Makes it easy to find if doing a restore of just one file, etc.
>
> d)  Relatively quick to make a second copy (of the first backup) to be
> stored safely elsewhere. For example, you might be making daily/weekly
> backups keeping the last N of them but make a second copy of the last
> each month and keep that "off site".
>
> e) I strongly suggest you include in the name of each backup directory
> the Julian date << from a person who in my working days experienced the
> hell week when a file was restored from the wrong backup at one of the
> world's larger "financials". And what got me my second big
> bonus/recognition and being made "honorary systems support" in the
> aftermath for devising a system to prevent that from ever happening again.
>
> Michael D Novack --- who had a house fire in 2006 that burned just the
> room computers were in but smoke/water damage affected backups kept
> elsewhere in the house. These now "live" in a fire box inside a dead
> fridge out in the barn/garage.
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[James Baxter via gnucash-user]

Sir. I am using LibreOffice. There is a backup in the program. So I use that.
I am going to reread your email to see what you are talking about.
ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com 

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:49 AM, James Baxter wrote:   
David You are not tell me if the backup is working or not.
ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com 

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 3:35 AM, Maf. King wrote:   On 
Wednesday, 28 June 2023 00:46:45 BST James Baxter via gnucash-user wrote:
> I have a backup drive. I have looked over it and I don't see it. Does
> Gnucash have a backup. Or what. ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
> 

Hi James.

If you are using the default  XML file to store your GC data, then it is 
possible to have GC set up in a way so that the *program* creates a sort of 
back-up file each time you save the changes you have made to the *Data* file.  
(I think GC does this by default, if you don't explicitly tell GC not to in 
the program options)

May I ask a related (rhetorical) question?

How do you back up your other *data* files?  (ie your photos, letters you have 
written in a wordprocessor, for example)  

If those things are important to you, then you really should devise a system 
you are comfortable with so that your important digital assets can survive a 
range of threats - from minor disk errors thru ransomware or hardware failure 
up to catastrophies like fire, flood etc.  There is lots of info on the web 
about how to do this and there is no correct answer that is right for 
everyone... and it is not on-topic for this list...

 Just (as a minimum) include your GC data file in that backup strategy you 
devise if you don't know where you have saved your GC data file, then that 
is the first thing you need to figure out (hints: look at the main window title 
bar for the filename and File -> SaveAs for the folder (but don't actually 
"Save"!)) before you consider if the file is backed up adequately or not...

HTH,
Maf.



  
  
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[David Carlson]

James,

When your computer fails, your data will be gone unless you, by your own
volition, have made a special plan to back up your data to a safe and
proper external location.  Nobody here can tell you if you made a proper
choice.  That also goes for all the other data on your computer.

A feature in GnuCash can save recent copies of your data files and 'log'
files that can be used if the program crashes or if the user makes a
mistake and corrupts the most recent data file, but it is useless if your
computer fails.

There is no backup in GnuCash.



On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 2:07 PM James Baxter via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> Sir. I am using LibreOffice. There is a backup in the program. So I use
> that.
> I am going to reread your email to see what you are talking about.
> ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:49 AM, James Baxter
> wrote:   David You are not tell me if the backup is working or not.
> ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 3:35 AM, Maf. King wrote:
>  On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 00:46:45 BST James Baxter via gnucash-user
> wrote:
> > I have a backup drive. I have looked over it and I don't see it. Does
> > Gnucash have a backup. Or what. ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
> >
>
> Hi James.
>
> If you are using the default  XML file to store your GC data, then it is
> possible to have GC set up in a way so that the *program* creates a sort
> of
> back-up file each time you save the changes you have made to the *Data*
> file.
> (I think GC does this by default, if you don't explicitly tell GC not to
> in
> the program options)
>
> May I ask a related (rhetorical) question?
>
> How do you back up your other *data* files?  (ie your photos, letters you
> have
> written in a wordprocessor, for example)
>
> If those things are important to you, then you really should devise a
> system
> you are comfortable with so that your important digital assets can survive
> a
> range of threats - from minor disk errors thru ransomware or hardware
> failure
> up to catastrophies like fire, flood etc.  There is lots of info on the
> web
> about how to do this and there is no correct answer that is right for
> everyone... and it is not on-topic for this list...
>
>  Just (as a minimum) include your GC data file in that backup strategy you
> devise if you don't know where you have saved your GC data file, then
> that
> is the first thing you need to figure out (hints: look at the main window
> title
> bar for the filename and File -> SaveAs for the folder (but don't actually
> "Save"!)) before you consider if the file is backed up adequately or not...
>
> HTH,
> Maf.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[Stan Brown]

On 2023-06-28 13:21, David Carlson wrote:
> James,
> 
> When your computer fails, your data will be gone unless you, by your own
> volition, have made a special plan to back up your data to a safe and
> proper external location.  Nobody here can tell you if you made a proper
> choice.  That also goes for all the other data on your computer.
...> There is no backup in GnuCash.

And let us be clear, it's not GnuCash's job to do a backup against the
possibility of a computer failure. It's not the job of _any_ application
program to do that. Making backups is a specialized system function.
Windows itself has a backup program, though I've not heard good things
and have never used it, and there are several good third-party backup
programs.

One thing is key: if you "back up" to another location on your computer,
you have not done a real backup. A real backup is to another device like
an external hard drive, one which is connected to your computer while
you are making a backup, then immediately disconnected till next backup
time. Why is it critical to back up to a different device? Because if
your computer crashes, and your backup is on your computer, you won't
have access to your backup.

Many people back up to "the cloud". I will say it's better than nothing,
but there are potential privacy and security problems with copying your
sensitive data to what is, after all, just some big corporation's computer.

P.S. You mentioned a "backup" by Libre Office. All that does is copy
your documents somewhere in a folder below AppData. For the usefulness
of this, see "if your computer crashes", two paragraphs up.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Adrien Monteleone]

I think 5.3 shortened the list and gave priority to most recently used, 
as well as added a Do Not Fill option at the top.


I understand keyboards vary, but you can use the arrow keys to navigate 
the list (or keep typing to narrow it down)


Regards,
Adrien

On 6/28/23 9:23 AM, Dustin Henning wrote:
I haven't upgraded quite that far yet, but I am on 5.x on macOS and I 
also don't have the problem described by the OP.  Regardless, I am 
definitely not a fan of the new feature.  Previously, I could type a few 
letters and have the field populated how I wanted, now I have to select 
from a huge list after typing the same letters, so I find it incredibly 
inconvenient and prefer the way the memo field (still) works. I don't 
mind the popup, tbh, I just wish the field was still filled in the old 
way so I could hit tab and be done instead of having to go to the mouse 
and select from a list. That having been said, as a general observation 
(across many different softwares over the last few years vs a GnuCash 
specific observation), it sure seems like convenience features get less 
and less convenient and interfere with previously built-in convenient 
functionalty more and more as software gets more complicated.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Vincent Dawans]

Also as of 5.3 you can use escape tab to cancel match and move on with
whatever you typed. Similar to how backspace tab worked in 4.x

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 13:50 Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> I think 5.3 shortened the list and gave priority to most recently used,
> as well as added a Do Not Fill option at the top.
>
> I understand keyboards vary, but you can use the arrow keys to navigate
> the list (or keep typing to narrow it down)
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 6/28/23 9:23 AM, Dustin Henning wrote:
> > I haven't upgraded quite that far yet, but I am on 5.x on macOS and I
> > also don't have the problem described by the OP.  Regardless, I am
> > definitely not a fan of the new feature.  Previously, I could type a few
> > letters and have the field populated how I wanted, now I have to select
> > from a huge list after typing the same letters, so I find it incredibly
> > inconvenient and prefer the way the memo field (still) works. I don't
> > mind the popup, tbh, I just wish the field was still filled in the old
> > way so I could hit tab and be done instead of having to go to the mouse
> > and select from a list. That having been said, as a general observation
> > (across many different softwares over the last few years vs a GnuCash
> > specific observation), it sure seems like convenience features get less
> > and less convenient and interfere with previously built-in convenient
> > functionalty more and more as software gets more complicated.
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Dustin Henning]

Sounds like a good enouh reason to take the leap. Do not fill is 
presumably the opposite of what I want, but if it shortened the list, it 
probably did so by filtering using a "begins with" type filter, which 
would at least help a little.  The problem with "keep typing to narrow 
it down" is I'm suddenly typing 10+ characters where 2 or 3 would have 
been enough before, but that doesn't mean the new method can't have 
improved.  Thanks for the tips.


On 6/28/23 4:49 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
I think 5.3 shortened the list and gave priority to most recently 
used, as well as added a Do Not Fill option at the top.


I understand keyboards vary, but you can use the arrow keys to 
navigate the list (or keep typing to narrow it down)


Regards,
Adrien

On 6/28/23 9:23 AM, Dustin Henning wrote:
I haven't upgraded quite that far yet, but I am on 5.x on macOS and I 
also don't have the problem described by the OP.  Regardless, I am 
definitely not a fan of the new feature.  Previously, I could type a 
few letters and have the field populated how I wanted, now I have to 
select from a huge list after typing the same letters, so I find it 
incredibly inconvenient and prefer the way the memo field (still) 
works. I don't mind the popup, tbh, I just wish the field was still 
filled in the old way so I could hit tab and be done instead of 
having to go to the mouse and select from a list. That having been 
said, as a general observation (across many different softwares over 
the last few years vs a GnuCash specific observation), it sure seems 
like convenience features get less and less convenient and interfere 
with previously built-in convenient functionalty more and more as 
software gets more complicated.


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Re: [GNC] Backup

[Stephen]

James, you're getting some good advice in the responses you've received 
so far. May I add that it might be useful to review the Gnucash Tutorial 
and Concepts Guide regarding types of files Gnucash makes/uses. This is 
in Chapter 2 (Ver 4 Tutorial) called Backing Up and Recovering Data. 
There is a section specifically about backups but this is about saving 
the most recent user file saved going back in time and it uses a date to 
show when it was made. It is useful as an operational tool if you need 
to go backwards to a point in time but it is NOT a backup of your 
computer files to a separate location. In other words, if you only have 
1 copy of your file then you do NOT have a secure backup.


There is a lot of information about backing up computer files and 
methods to do it. If I may suggest it, go back to basics and get a good 
grounding in how backing up works. It can seem complicated but it 
doesn't have to be. Search for backing up and I suggest look at askleo 
(dot) com articles. I am in no way associated with askleo -- just a fan. 
It is critical to get a good handle on backing up your computer files.


Best wishes.

On 6/28/2023 3:35 PM, Stan Brown wrote:

On 2023-06-28 13:21, David Carlson wrote:

James,

When your computer fails, your data will be gone unless you, by your own
volition, have made a special plan to back up your data to a safe and
proper external location.  Nobody here can tell you if you made a proper
choice.  That also goes for all the other data on your computer.

...> There is no backup in GnuCash.

And let us be clear, it's not GnuCash's job to do a backup against the
possibility of a computer failure. It's not the job of _any_ application
program to do that. Making backups is a specialized system function.
Windows itself has a backup program, though I've not heard good things
and have never used it, and there are several good third-party backup
programs.

One thing is key: if you "back up" to another location on your computer,
you have not done a real backup. A real backup is to another device like
an external hard drive, one which is connected to your computer while
you are making a backup, then immediately disconnected till next backup
time. Why is it critical to back up to a different device? Because if
your computer crashes, and your backup is on your computer, you won't
have access to your backup.

Many people back up to "the cloud". I will say it's better than nothing,
but there are potential privacy and security problems with copying your
sensitive data to what is, after all, just some big corporation's computer.

P.S. You mentioned a "backup" by Libre Office. All that does is copy
your documents somewhere in a folder below AppData. For the usefulness
of this, see "if your computer crashes", two paragraphs up.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[David Carlson]

James
 I think that you need a third party primer on how to back up the data on
your computer.  Without promoting any particular commercial products the
following U-Tube video may help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFw6kiH52TM



On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 4:09 PM Stephen 
wrote:

> James, you're getting some good advice in the responses you've received
> so far. May I add that it might be useful to review the Gnucash Tutorial
> and Concepts Guide regarding types of files Gnucash makes/uses. This is
> in Chapter 2 (Ver 4 Tutorial) called Backing Up and Recovering Data.
> There is a section specifically about backups but this is about saving
> the most recent user file saved going back in time and it uses a date to
> show when it was made. It is useful as an operational tool if you need
> to go backwards to a point in time but it is NOT a backup of your
> computer files to a separate location. In other words, if you only have
> 1 copy of your file then you do NOT have a secure backup.
>
> There is a lot of information about backing up computer files and
> methods to do it. If I may suggest it, go back to basics and get a good
> grounding in how backing up works. It can seem complicated but it
> doesn't have to be. Search for backing up and I suggest look at askleo
> (dot) com articles. I am in no way associated with askleo -- just a fan.
> It is critical to get a good handle on backing up your computer files.
>
> Best wishes.
>
> On 6/28/2023 3:35 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> > On 2023-06-28 13:21, David Carlson wrote:
> >> James,
> >>
> >> When your computer fails, your data will be gone unless you, by your own
> >> volition, have made a special plan to back up your data to a safe and
> >> proper external location.  Nobody here can tell you if you made a proper
> >> choice.  That also goes for all the other data on your computer.
> > ...> There is no backup in GnuCash.
> >
> > And let us be clear, it's not GnuCash's job to do a backup against the
> > possibility of a computer failure. It's not the job of _any_ application
> > program to do that. Making backups is a specialized system function.
> > Windows itself has a backup program, though I've not heard good things
> > and have never used it, and there are several good third-party backup
> > programs.
> >
> > One thing is key: if you "back up" to another location on your computer,
> > you have not done a real backup. A real backup is to another device like
> > an external hard drive, one which is connected to your computer while
> > you are making a backup, then immediately disconnected till next backup
> > time. Why is it critical to back up to a different device? Because if
> > your computer crashes, and your backup is on your computer, you won't
> > have access to your backup.
> >
> > Many people back up to "the cloud". I will say it's better than nothing,
> > but there are potential privacy and security problems with copying your
> > sensitive data to what is, after all, just some big corporation's
> computer.
> >
> > P.S. You mentioned a "backup" by Libre Office. All that does is copy
> > your documents somewhere in a folder below AppData. For the usefulness
> > of this, see "if your computer crashes", two paragraphs up.
> >
> > Stan Brown
> > Tehachapi, CA, USA
> > https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[Stephen]

Gosh! Heck! Yes! Information wants to be free. There is so much stuff 
out there it is hard to determine what is good information and what is 
not. It is easy to determine commercial stuff because sooner or later 
one will encounter a paywall, right? That is why Askleo is a great 
resource. Here's why one needs the security of backups: 
https://youtu.be/Z3_4dnaLkSc and also how many resources are available 
to one who is willing to do the work: 
https://askleo.com/applications/backing-up-and-backup-programs/


Cheers!

On 6/28/2023 5:05 PM, David Carlson wrote:

James
 I think that you need a third party primer on how to back up the data 
on your computer.  Without promoting any particular commercial 
products the following U-Tube video may help:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFw6kiH52TM



On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 4:09 PM Stephen  
wrote:


James, you're getting some good advice in the responses you've
received
so far. May I add that it might be useful to review the Gnucash
Tutorial
and Concepts Guide regarding types of files Gnucash makes/uses.
This is
in Chapter 2 (Ver 4 Tutorial) called Backing Up and Recovering Data.
There is a section specifically about backups but this is about
saving
the most recent user file saved going back in time and it uses a
date to
show when it was made. It is useful as an operational tool if you
need
to go backwards to a point in time but it is NOT a backup of your
computer files to a separate location. In other words, if you only
have
1 copy of your file then you do NOT have a secure backup.

There is a lot of information about backing up computer files and
methods to do it. If I may suggest it, go back to basics and get a
good
grounding in how backing up works. It can seem complicated but it
doesn't have to be. Search for backing up and I suggest look at
askleo
(dot) com articles. I am in no way associated with askleo -- just
a fan.
It is critical to get a good handle on backing up your computer files.

Best wishes.

On 6/28/2023 3:35 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> On 2023-06-28 13:21, David Carlson wrote:
>> James,
>>
>> When your computer fails, your data will be gone unless you, by
your own
>> volition, have made a special plan to back up your data to a
safe and
>> proper external location.  Nobody here can tell you if you made
a proper
>> choice.  That also goes for all the other data on your computer.
> ...> There is no backup in GnuCash.
>
> And let us be clear, it's not GnuCash's job to do a backup
against the
> possibility of a computer failure. It's not the job of _any_
application
> program to do that. Making backups is a specialized system function.
> Windows itself has a backup program, though I've not heard good
things
> and have never used it, and there are several good third-party
backup
> programs.
>
> One thing is key: if you "back up" to another location on your
computer,
> you have not done a real backup. A real backup is to another
device like
> an external hard drive, one which is connected to your computer
while
> you are making a backup, then immediately disconnected till next
backup
> time. Why is it critical to back up to a different device?
Because if
> your computer crashes, and your backup is on your computer, you
won't
> have access to your backup.
>
> Many people back up to "the cloud". I will say it's better than
nothing,
> but there are potential privacy and security problems with
copying your
> sensitive data to what is, after all, just some big
corporation's computer.
>
> P.S. You mentioned a "backup" by Libre Office. All that does is copy
> your documents somewhere in a folder below AppData. For the
usefulness
> of this, see "if your computer crashes", two paragraphs up.
>
> Stan Brown
> Tehachapi, CA, USA
> https://BrownMath.com 
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[David Carlson]

Please include the group when you reply.

I am unable to help you further.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:35 PM James Baxter  wrote:

> David Carlson
> Sir. Sorry if I said the wrong thing. I was in Gnucash as I was looking to
> get it straight. "I do know".  I was looking at the backup. I was looking
> through the programs and I backup that part.
>
> I don't know much about backup programs. But I think when you do a backup.
> It will backup the hole computer.
>
> Thanks
> James Baxter
> kangaro...@yahoo.com
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 5:06 PM, James Baxter
>  wrote:
> David Carlson
> Sir. I am not shore what you are saying.
> There is no backup for gnucash. So can it be backup. I have a drive that I
> am using. But I don't know where to go as yet. Not opened it up as yet.
>
> Thanks
> James Baxter
> kangaro...@yahoo.com
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 4:21 PM, David Carlson
>  wrote:
> James,
>
> When your computer fails, your data will be gone unless you, by your own
> volition, have made a special plan to back up your data to a safe and
> proper external location.  Nobody here can tell you if you made a proper
> choice.  That also goes for all the other data on your computer.
>
> A feature in GnuCash can save recent copies of your data files and 'log'
> files that can be used if the program crashes or if the user makes a
> mistake and corrupts the most recent data file, but it is useless if your
> computer fails.
>
> There is no backup in GnuCash.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 2:07 PM James Baxter via gnucash-user <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
>
> Sir. I am using LibreOffice. There is a backup in the program. So I use
> that.
> I am going to reread your email to see what you are talking about.
> ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:49 AM, James Baxter
> wrote:   David You are not tell me if the backup is working or not.
> ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 3:35 AM, Maf. King wrote:
>  On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 00:46:45 BST James Baxter via gnucash-user
> wrote:
> > I have a backup drive. I have looked over it and I don't see it. Does
> > Gnucash have a backup. Or what. ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
> >
>
> Hi James.
>
> If you are using the default  XML file to store your GC data, then it is
> possible to have GC set up in a way so that the *program* creates a sort
> of
> back-up file each time you save the changes you have made to the *Data*
> file.
> (I think GC does this by default, if you don't explicitly tell GC not to
> in
> the program options)
>
> May I ask a related (rhetorical) question?
>
> How do you back up your other *data* files?  (ie your photos, letters you
> have
> written in a wordprocessor, for example)
>
> If those things are important to you, then you really should devise a
> system
> you are comfortable with so that your important digital assets can survive
> a
> range of threats - from minor disk errors thru ransomware or hardware
> failure
> up to catastrophies like fire, flood etc.  There is lots of info on the
> web
> about how to do this and there is no correct answer that is right for
> everyone... and it is not on-topic for this list...
>
>  Just (as a minimum) include your GC data file in that backup strategy you
> devise if you don't know where you have saved your GC data file, then
> that
> is the first thing you need to figure out (hints: look at the main window
> title
> bar for the filename and File -> SaveAs for the folder (but don't actually
> "Save"!)) before you consider if the file is backed up adequately or not...
>
> HTH,
> Maf.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] gnucash 5.3 compile errors

[john]

I don't see the boost checks in you CMake output and the error is complaining 
that it can't find boost filesystem. Make sure that's installed by your package 
manager, remove any existing installed gnucash so that the linker doesn't get 
confused, and start from an empty build directory.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Jun 28, 2023, at 06:48, John Griessen  wrote:
> 
> I'm having trouble with compile on my laptop even though the desktop compiles 
> fine.  It must be a dependency problem.  I've followed the instructions, 
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building_On_Linux, to the letter.  Following 
> are symptom error messages, then a copy of the output during the cmake step.  
> any ideas about what dependency might be needed appreciated.
> 
> Symptoms:
> 
> 722/865] Generating 
> ../../lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/guile/3.0/site-ccache/gnucash/locale/de_DE/tax/txf.go
> wrote 
> `/usr/local/src/gnucash-5.3-build/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/guile/3.0/site-ccache/gnucash/locale/de_DE/tax/txf.go'
> [723/865] Linking CXX executable bin/gnucash
> FAILED: bin/gnucash
> : && /bin/c++ -Werror -Wall -Wmissing-declarations  
> gnucash/CMakeFiles/gnucash.dir/gnucash.cpp.o 
> gnucash/CMakeFiles/gnucash.dir/gnucash-commands.cpp.o 
> gnucash/CMakeFiles/gnucash.dir/gnucash-core-app.cpp.o 
> gnucash/CMakeFiles/gnucash.dir/gnucash-gresources.c.o -o bin/gnucash 
> -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/src/gnucash-5.3-build/lib:/usr/local/src/gnucash-5.3-build/lib/gnucash:
>   lib/libgnc-module.so lib/gnucash/libgnc-qif-import.so  
> lib/gnucash/libgnc-csv-import.so  lib/gnucash/libgnc-csv-export.so 
> lib/gnucash/libgnc-log-replay.so  lib/gnucash/libgnc-bi-import.so  
> lib/gnucash/libgnc-customer-import.so -L/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu  
> -lguile-3.0  -lgc  -lpthread  -ldl  lib/gnucash/libgnc-generic-import.so  
> lib/libgnc-gnome.so lib/gnucash/libgnc-ledger-core.so  
> lib/gnucash/libgnc-report.so  lib/gnucash/libgnc-expressions-guile.so 
> lib/gnucash/libgnc-register-gnome.so  lib/gnucash/libgnc-register-core.so  
> lib/gnucash/libgnc-gnome-search.so  lib/libgnc-html.so 
> lib/gnucash/libgnc-gnome-utils.so  /usr/li
 b/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-3.so  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgdk-3.so 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpangocairo-1.0.so  
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpango-1.0.so 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libharfbuzz.so  
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libatk-1.0.so  
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcairo-gobject.so 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcairo.so  
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so  
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgio-2.0.so 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so  lib/gnucash/libgnc-expressions.so  
lib/libgnc-locale-tax.so  lib/libgnucash-guile.so -lguile-3.0  -lgc  -lpthread  
-ldl  lib/libgnc-backend-xml-utils.so  -lz  -ldl  -lsecret-1  
lib/libgnc-app-utils.so  -lgio-2.0 -lxslt  -lxml2  lib/libgnc-engine.so  
-L/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu  -lgobject-2.0  -licui18n  -licuuc  -licudata 
-Wl,--export-dynamic  -lgmodule-2.0  -lglib-2.0  -pthread  
lib/libgnc-core-utils.so /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_date_time.so.1.74.0 
 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_filesystem.so.1.74.0 /usr/lib/x86_64-
 linux-gnu/libboost_locale.so.1.74.0  
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_chrono.so.1.74.0 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_thread.so.1.74.0  
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_atomic.so.1.74.0 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_program_options.so.1.74.0  
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_regex.so.1.74.0 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_system.so.1.74.0  
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so && :
> /bin/ld: lib/libgnc-core-utils.so: undefined reference to 
> `boost::filesystem::detail::dir_itr_imp::~dir_itr_imp()'
> /bin/ld: lib/libgnc-core-utils.so: undefined reference to 
> `boost::filesystem::path::find_relative_path() const'
> /bin/ld: lib/libgnc-core-utils.so: undefined reference to 
> `boost::filesystem::path::compare_v3(boost::filesystem::path const&) const'
> /bin/ld: lib/libgnc-core-utils.so: undefined reference to 
> `boost::filesystem::path::find_parent_path_size() const'
> /bin/ld: lib/libgnc-core-utils.so: undefined reference to 
> `boost::filesystem::path::append_v3(char const*, char const*)'
> /bin/ld: lib/libgnc-app-utils.so: undefined reference to 
> `boost::filesystem::path::append_v3(boost::filesystem::path const&)'
> /bin/ld: lib/libgnc-core-utils.so: undefined reference to 
> `boost::filesystem::detail::dir_itr_imp::operator delete(void*)'
> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
> [724/865] Generating 
> ../../lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/guile/3.0/site-ccache/gnucash/gnome-utils/gnc-menu-extensions.go
> wrote 
> `/usr/local/src/gnucash-5.3-build/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/guile/3.0/site-ccache/gnucash/gnome-utils/gnc-menu-extensions.go'
> [725/865] Generating 
> ../../lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/guile/3.0/site-ccache/gnucash/locale/us/tax/txf.go
> wrote 
> `/usr/local/src/gnucash-5.3-build/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/guile/3.0/site-ccache/gnucash/locale/us/tax/txf.go'
> ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed.
> 
> cmake output:
> 
> (

Re: [GNC] Can not resize GnuCash Preferences window

[Tommy Trussell]

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 8:00 PM Default User 
wrote:

> Well, doing Alt-F7, then moving bit by bit with the arrow keys, did
> work to move the window up, so it can be used to edit the Preferences
> window. I thought I had tried that earlier without success, but maybe I
> just wasn't doing it "right".
>

Hi -- if your keyboard has a "windows" button on it (usually bottom row,
with ctrl, alt, space bar etc) try holding that button down and then
dragging the window. You can click anywhere in the window and drag it. It
worked for me just now in Ubuntu 23.04, running Wayland.

There are several places where GnuCash probably ought to handle lower
resolutions, but there's a stated minimum resolution the developers test
against, and making it "fit" lower resolutions is unlikely to be a very
high priority. (Years ago I used to regularly run GnuCash on a "netbook"
and there are several uncomfortable areas, especially the application and
report preferences.)

Of course the source is readily available! Maybe this will be the itch you
yearn to scratch.


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