Re: [GNC] Schedule transaction for 2 Wednesday?

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 11 Mar 2023, at 2:09 am, David Carlson  wrote:

We must be having fun by now!  The only schedule that I have not been able
to implement correctly every single time is the Friday after the second
Thursday of the month, but then I really don't expect to get that one
right.🙂


That requires a CONDITIONAL rule (If 1st of month is Friday, third 
Friday; else second Friday)   The rule doesn't have to reference 
Thursday even though part of the human reasoning. And of course logic to 
determine when the 1st of a particular month will be a Friday, a 
function of year. So you ca think of this rule as a function of year.


Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] Schedule transaction for 2 Wednesday?

[R Losey]

At least on my iMac, there is a down arrow at the bottom of the list that
makes it pretty clear that there are options below.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 7:27 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> I wouldn't pull the RFE though, but instead re-word it to improve the UX
> for better discoverability. If at first you see a partial list of nth
> days of a month, it isn't intuitive to keep scrolling to see the other
> options. One would only discover them by accident. (or I suppose,
> reading a current version of the manual, again, by chance for long time
> users)
>

_
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rlo...@gmail.com
Micah 6:8
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Re: [GNC] Schedule transaction for 2 Wednesday?

[R Losey]

Not necessarily; at my job, I had meetings on the first Thursday of each
month, and then the following Wednesday, and then the following Tuesday.
We never found any scheduling program that would allow it, but I did work
out a way to do it that did not involve conditions, per se.

The earliest the second Thursday can be is the 8th and the latest is the
14th, so if you want the Friday after the second Thursday, you just want
"day is Friday AND the day number is between 9 and 15".

But I've not found a schedule that can handle that.

Another way to handle that case would be to link it; create a dummy event
on the second Thursday, and then have the Friday event be scheduled in a
linked manner: it is one day after the dummy event. This would have worked
out well for our work meetings above; the first one was always on the first
Thursday; the second was always six days after that; and the third was
always six days after the second meeting. I think implementing this
'linking' or 'relative' solution would be more difficult than the first
option above.



On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 10:11 AM Michael or Penny Novack <
stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> >> On 11 Mar 2023, at 2:09 am, David Carlson 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> We must be having fun by now!  The only schedule that I have not been
> able
> >> to implement correctly every single time is the Friday after the second
> >> Thursday of the month, but then I really don't expect to get that one
> >> right.🙂
>
> That requires a CONDITIONAL rule (If 1st of month is Friday, third
> Friday; else second Friday)   The rule doesn't have to reference
> Thursday even though part of the human reasoning. And of course logic to
> determine when the 1st of a particular month will be a Friday, a
> function of year. So you ca think of this rule as a function of year.
>
> Michael D Novack
>
> --
_
Richard Losey
rlo...@gmail.com
Micah 6:8
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[GNC] new user woes

[Jamie Tolbert]

Still having trouble wrapping my head around my issue(s). I tried the 
tutorial under HELP, is there a better new user guide?


Started a new property rental business, and for now, am on a cash basis, 
Originally , I thought I would just pay each bill, and credit owner 
equity and debit the bill, but that seems very cumbersome and confusing, 
so before I get into the actual upcoming rental season, I thought I 
would credit owner equity, lets say 500.00 and debit petty cash. and 
then pay the bills out of petty cash..but I cant get that initial 
transaction correct, I tried the TRANSFER button on the toolbar, and I 
end up with 1000.00 in owner equity instead of 500.00what would 
be the best way to do this?

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Re: [GNC] Schedule transaction for 2 Wednesday?

[Michael or Penny Novack]

The earliest the second Thursday can be is the 8th and the latest is 
the 14th, so if you want the Friday after the second Thursday, you 
just want

"day is Friday AND the day number is between 9 and 15".

But I've not found a schedule that can handle that.


That is another example of a conditional, x AND y.

LOL, in my working days I often did things exactly like that. Say had a 
job that ran nightly but on some special days, submitted another job to 
run (that was the purpose of the first, to control on what day the 
second ran).



Michael D Novack



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Re: [GNC] new user woes

[Rich Shepard]

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023, Jamie Tolbert wrote:


Started a new property rental business, and for now, am on a cash basis,
Originally , I thought I would just pay each bill, and credit owner equity
and debit the bill, but that seems very cumbersome and confusing, so
before I get into the actual upcoming rental season, I thought I would
credit owner equity, lets say 500.00 and debit petty cash. and then pay
the bills out of petty cash..but I cant get that initial transaction
correct, I tried the TRANSFER button on the toolbar, and I end up with
1000.00 in owner equity instead of 500.00what would be the best
way to do this?


Jamie,

Your accountant should advise you on this, depending on any local laws or
requirements.

It's a business so use the business functions. Set up each rental unit as a
customer and have a matching income account and damage/pet deposit account.
If you have multiple people renting the same unit you'll have a lot of
customers, but that provides you with a history for each one.

Since you're operating on a cash basis, issue an invoice each month for each
renter/customer, don't post that to accounts receivable until it's paid and
pay it the same time with the money debited to your rental income account.

HTH,

Rich

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Re: [GNC] new user woes

[Rich Shepard]

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023, Jamie wrote:


its really a question on the software, not accounting practicesmy
initial investment, for now, is 500.00..how can I get the 500.00 into
Owner equity, and then get it into petty cash, like I said I tried the
transfer button on the toolbar, and when I do that, I end up with 1000.00
in my equity account?


Jamie,

I'm not an accountant.

Why do you want to want to do the above? Consider an asset account called
'petty cash' and provide a starting balance by transfering it from checking,
savings, or another asset account.

You'll be gaining income from this business, and have expenses (which can be
attributed to each rental unit or customer) and probably have to pay taxes
on the revenue. Where equity enters the picture I've no idea.

Also, keep the thread on the mail list as it may be of value to others now
or later.

Regards,

Rich

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Re: [GNC] new user woes

[Jamie Tolbert]

 I dont have another asset account,yet...soon I will have a business 
checking account, but in the meantime, I do I tell the software I 
started a business with an initial investment of 500.00, and that money 
should be in petty cash?



-- Original Message --

From "Rich Shepard" 

To gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Date 3/11/2023 1:51:40 PM
Subject Re: [GNC] new user woes


On Sat, 11 Mar 2023, Jamie wrote:


its really a question on the software, not accounting practicesmy
initial investment, for now, is 500.00..how can I get the 500.00 into
Owner equity, and then get it into petty cash, like I said I tried the
transfer button on the toolbar, and when I do that, I end up with 1000.00
in my equity account?


Jamie,

I'm not an accountant.

Why do you want to want to do the above? Consider an asset account called
'petty cash' and provide a starting balance by transfering it from checking,
savings, or another asset account.

You'll be gaining income from this business, and have expenses (which can be
attributed to each rental unit or customer) and probably have to pay taxes
on the revenue. Where equity enters the picture I've no idea.

Also, keep the thread on the mail list as it may be of value to others now
or later.

Regards,

Rich

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[GNC] GnuCash flatpak "invisible" update?

[Tommy Trussell]

I like to watch for updates and be aware when they happen.

This system is running Ubuntu 22.04.02, so today I kicked off the update
manager (looking for updated .deb packages and their associated changelog
descriptions, if any) then from a terminal I checked for updated snaps, and
then flatpaks.

I was surprised the flatpak "stable" repository was showing an update to
GnuCash 4.13. I was even more surprised it was showing the update would be
to a commit from December. As you can imagine, I've run flatpak update
numerous times since December. Both commits SAY they're GnuCash "4.13+" and
from the same date and time in December.

What happened? Is it something weird with flatpak? From my (naive)
perspective, GnuCash looks exactly the same. The diffs are
tiny, it seems, though I didn't see any way to know that before allowing
the update.


I'm including the terminal output below, showing GnuCash updated from

commit
7e2d8364088a32d0f6849893a43b41a5623886c2d5c7da3505c023ba0c86fa5f
TO
commit
eb1be08966b94073a6f219dcf8f61f42c88228d1d1f2aba15da990591bccf3c7


Terminal listing below

twt@Elite1:~$ flatpak info org.gnucash.GnuCash -v
F: No installations directory in /etc/flatpak/installations.d. Skipping

GnuCash - Manage your finances, accounts, and investments

  ID: org.gnucash.GnuCash
 Ref: app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/x86_64/stable
Arch: x86_64
  Branch: stable
 Version: 4.13+ (Flathub 4.13)
 License: GPL-2.0+
  Origin: flathub
  Collection: org.flathub.Stable
Installation: system
   Installed: 323.1 MB
 Runtime: org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/43
 Sdk: org.gnome.Sdk/x86_64/43

  Commit:
7e2d8364088a32d0f6849893a43b41a5623886c2d5c7da3505c023ba0c86fa5f
  Parent:
75419560fa6ece2e44ca421e261266cd2469c43970f67ad5d9498cb952274b84
 Subject: Fix GnuCash tarball sha256 (bd9f8e1e)
Date: 2022-12-18 22:30:44 +


twt@Elite1:~$ flatpak update
Looking for updates…


ID BranchOp   Remote
 Download
 1. [✓] org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default22.08 uflathub
50.7 MB / 137.7 MB
 2. [✓] org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default22.08-extra   uflathub
10.5 MB / 137.7 MB
 3. [✓] org.freedesktop.Platform.Locale22.08 uflathub
 1.5 kB / 333.2 MB
 4. [✓] org.gnome.meld.Locale  stableuflathub
 1.5 kB / 861.5 kB
 5. [✓] org.gnucash.GnuCash.Locale stableuflathub
 1.5 kB / 8.0 MB
 6. [✓] org.gnucash.GnuCashstableuflathub
 1.0 kB / 110.1 MB
 7. [✓] org.gnome.meld stableuflathub
 1.0 kB / 3.2 MB
 8. [✓] org.freedesktop.Platform   22.08 uflathub
14.2 MB / 214.5 MB
 9. [✓] org.kde.kclock.Locale  stableuflathub
 3.7 kB / 132.6 kB
10. [✓] org.kde.kclock stableuflathub
16.4 kB / 11.0 MB
11. [✓] org.pulseaudio.pavucontrol.Locale  stableuflathub
 1.5 kB / 178.5 kB
12. [✓] org.pulseaudio.pavucontrol stableuflathub
 1.0 kB / 4.5 MB

Updates complete.


twt@Elite1:~$ flatpak info org.gnucash.GnuCash -v
F: No installations directory in /etc/flatpak/installations.d. Skipping

GnuCash - Manage your finances, accounts, and investments

  ID: org.gnucash.GnuCash
 Ref: app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/x86_64/stable
Arch: x86_64
  Branch: stable
 Version: 4.13+ (Flathub 4.13)
 License: GPL-2.0+
  Origin: flathub
  Collection: org.flathub.Stable
Installation: system
   Installed: 323.1 MB
 Runtime: org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/43
 Sdk: org.gnome.Sdk/x86_64/43

  Commit:
eb1be08966b94073a6f219dcf8f61f42c88228d1d1f2aba15da990591bccf3c7
  Parent:
7e2d8364088a32d0f6849893a43b41a5623886c2d5c7da3505c023ba0c86fa5f
 Subject: Fix GnuCash tarball sha256 (bd9f8e1e)
Date: 2022-12-18 22:30:44 +

twt@Elite1:~$
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Re: [GNC] new user woes

[Rich Shepard]

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023, Jamie Tolbert wrote:


I dont have another asset account,yet...soon I will have a business
checking account, but in the meantime, I do I tell the software I started
a business with an initial investment of 500.00, and that money should be
in petty cash?


Jamie,

Adding accounts to GC is totally independent of bank accounts.

Here, I have two GnuCase cases: personal and business. Each has its own
Chart of Accounts and individual accounts.

I switch between them (and transfer funds as needed) because both are
available under the File menu item: Properties. I don't recall how I
originally set them up because that happened years ago, just after Y2K
FUBARed my former system. But, the larger user manual has instructions.

Using the Business menu, consider setting up each rental unit as a Customer,
and each renter as a Job for that Customer. That keeps a record of all
renters for a unit and you have independent information for each.

Go to the Accounts tab and add a new asset called, for example, Rental
Income, under that sub-accounts for each rental unit and perhaps Rental
Deposit (the type can be specified in the memo). And annother called
Accounts Receivable.

Add appropriate expense accounts, including vendors who do work on the
rental units, and any other accounts your location (and CPA) require.

Regards,

Rich
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Re: [GNC] new user woes

[Stan Brown]

On 2023-03-11 10:23, Jamie Tolbert wrote:
> Originally , I thought I would just pay each bill, and credit owner
> equity and debit the bill, but that seems very cumbersome and confusing,

I mean no disrespect -- every one of us GnuCash users had to learn these
things at some point, if we didn't already know them before coming to
GnuCash.

Unless you just made a "thinko", writing the above shows that your first
step is not to get help with using GnuCash, but rather to learn about
double-entry bookkeeping. There are a zillion books, and one is as good
as another for teaching the basics, which is all you need. (But this is
section 2.1 of the Tutorial and Concepts Guide.

Did you skip over that section?)

GnuCash is very much the old pen-and-ink double-entry bookkeeping,
transferred to the computer. (This is different from most other
accounting programs, which seem to think they know a way to do
bookkeeping than the one that has survived for upwards of eight
centuries.) It's not hard to master the general concepts of double-entry
bookkeeping, but it _is_ absolutely essential. Otherwise you won't have
a prayer of getting your bookkeeping right in GnuCash.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com

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Re: [GNC] GnuCash flatpak "invisible" update?

[John Ralls]

> On Mar 11, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Tommy Trussell  wrote:
> 
> I like to watch for updates and be aware when they happen.
> 
> This system is running Ubuntu 22.04.02, so today I kicked off the update
> manager (looking for updated .deb packages and their associated changelog
> descriptions, if any) then from a terminal I checked for updated snaps, and
> then flatpaks.
> 
> I was surprised the flatpak "stable" repository was showing an update to
> GnuCash 4.13. I was even more surprised it was showing the update would be
> to a commit from December. As you can imagine, I've run flatpak update
> numerous times since December. Both commits SAY they're GnuCash "4.13+" and
> from the same date and time in December.
> 
> What happened? Is it something weird with flatpak? From my (naive)
> perspective, GnuCash looks exactly the same. The diffs are
> tiny, it seems, though I didn't see any way to know that before allowing
> the update.
> 

[SNIP]

>  Commit:
> eb1be08966b94073a6f219dcf8f61f42c88228d1d1f2aba15da990591bccf3c7
>  Parent:
> 7e2d8364088a32d0f6849893a43b41a5623886c2d5c7da3505c023ba0c86fa5f
> Subject: Fix GnuCash tarball sha256 (bd9f8e1e)
>Date: 2022-12-18 22:30:44 +

The commits are weird. The one in parentheses is the current HEAD on 
https://github.com/flathub/org.gnucash.GnuCash/commits/master and as will be 
apparent if you visit that page the commit was needed because the first build 
failed.

Does the subject for the parent commit say "Package GnuCash 4.13 (c825100b)"? 
That's the build that failed so it's seems odd to me that it would have made an 
installable flatpak.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] GnuCash flatpak "invisible" update?

[Tommy Trussell]

On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 2:21 PM John Ralls  wrote:

>
> > On Mar 11, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Tommy Trussell 
> wrote:
> ...

> I was surprised the flatpak "stable" repository was showing an update to
> > GnuCash 4.13. I was even more surprised it was showing the update would
> be
> > to a commit from December. ...
>
> [SNIP]
>
> >  Commit:
> > eb1be08966b94073a6f219dcf8f61f42c88228d1d1f2aba15da990591bccf3c7
> >  Parent:
> > 7e2d8364088a32d0f6849893a43b41a5623886c2d5c7da3505c023ba0c86fa5f
> > Subject: Fix GnuCash tarball sha256 (bd9f8e1e)
> >Date: 2022-12-18 22:30:44 +
>
> The commits are weird. The one in parentheses is the current HEAD on
> https://github.com/flathub/org.gnucash.GnuCash/commits/master and as will
> be apparent if you visit that page the commit was needed because the first
> build failed.
>
> Does the subject for the parent commit say "Package GnuCash 4.13
> (c825100b)"? That's the build that failed so it's seems odd to me that it
> would have made an installable flatpak.
>

I don't know how to look for the information you requested. All I know how
to discern is through the flatpak info command, and it shows exactly what
you've quoted.

I searched github for the last eight characters of the strings and have not
found anything relevant EXCEPT the parent commit you mentioned.

HOWEVER I just noticed in

https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-on-flatpak

there's an update to modules/aqbanking.json from last week. It could easily
be that I have not checked flatpak updates since you made that change.
Could that one file explain it?  I don't use AQBanking so I don't even know
where I'd look in my installation unless I dug into the installed flatpak.

I just chose Help --> About

Version: 4.13
Build ID: Flathub 4.13
Finance::Quote: 1.5301
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Re: [GNC] new user woes

[Jamie Tolbert via gnucash-user]

Its been a number of years, but I did take a few accounting classes in 
college..so I have an idea of WHAT I want to do, but unclear on HOW 
to do it in gnucash.I will continue to fumble my way thru it, the 
tutorial is rather cumbersome to read thru, for example, a search for 
opening balances turn up several pages with OPEN and several with a 
variation of BALANCEs, but not the account thats labeled OPENING 
BALANCES...if that is read only, how do I edit it to put my opening 
balance in ?!?!?!




-- Original Message --

From "Stan Brown" 

To gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Date 3/11/2023 2:40:23 PM
Subject Re: [GNC] new user woes


On 2023-03-11 10:23, Jamie Tolbert wrote:

 Originally , I thought I would just pay each bill, and credit owner
 equity and debit the bill, but that seems very cumbersome and confusing,


I mean no disrespect -- every one of us GnuCash users had to learn these
things at some point, if we didn't already know them before coming to
GnuCash.

Unless you just made a "thinko", writing the above shows that your first
step is not to get help with using GnuCash, but rather to learn about
double-entry bookkeeping. There are a zillion books, and one is as good
as another for teaching the basics, which is all you need. (But this is
section 2.1 of the Tutorial and Concepts Guide.

Did you skip over that section?)

GnuCash is very much the old pen-and-ink double-entry bookkeeping,
transferred to the computer. (This is different from most other
accounting programs, which seem to think they know a way to do
bookkeeping than the one that has survived for upwards of eight
centuries.) It's not hard to master the general concepts of double-entry
bookkeeping, but it _is_ absolutely essential. Otherwise you won't have
a prayer of getting your bookkeeping right in GnuCash.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com

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Re: [GNC] new user woes

[Rich Shepard]

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023, Jamie Tolbert via gnucash-user wrote:


how do I edit it to put my opening balance in ?!?!?!


Jamie,

You understand double-entry accounting, so an opening balance in an asset
account is a debit, while a withdrawal is a credit. The off-setting account
for that asset opening balance can be a liability or an equity account.

First thing for you to do: using pencil and paper or a text editor, create a
Chart of Accounts for your rental business. I've attached my business book
CoA as revised by me an my accountant 6 years ago. It ain't copyrighted so
you're welcome to use the same thing Of course, if you keep the bank names
the same you're welcome to add money to them. :-)

You'll see that the first Equity account is Opening Balances. That should
help you grok how to get started.

Regards,

Rich

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Re: [GNC] new user woes

[Tommy Trussell]

I'm copying the list

I've been using GnuCash for many many years and it is possible something
has changed so you cannot delete it, but I have never had any trouble
adjusting entries in it. But it doesn't come up much! So try it, and if
your experience varies, report to the list!

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On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 4:36 PM Jamie  wrote:

> Thanks, it says its a placeholder only, and to uncheck the placeholder
> only box, but not sure where…..i think the tutorial is versions old, and
> the reference to edit the account is no longer valid
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 11, 2023, at 5:33 PM, Tommy Trussell 
> wrote:
>
> 
> On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 4:00 PM Jamie Tolbert via gnucash-user <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
>
>> Its been a number of years, but I did take a few accounting classes in
>> college..so I have an idea of WHAT I want to do, but unclear on HOW
>> to do it in gnucash.I will continue to fumble my way thru it, the
>> tutorial is rather cumbersome to read thru, for example, a search for
>> opening balances turn up several pages with OPEN and several with a
>> variation of BALANCEs, but not the account thats labeled OPENING
>> BALANCES...if that is read only, how do I edit it to put my opening
>> balance in ?!?!?!
>>
>
> Opening Balances is not normally read-only in GnuCash, so you can create
> it whenever, adjust it whenever, as needed.
>
> When you create a new account you can switch to the other "tab" on the New
> Account and create an opening balance at the same time, but it's not
> essential that you do it then.
>
>
>>
>>
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Re: [GNC] Schedule transaction for 2 Wednesday?

[John Layman]

I have exactly the  same situation.  On the Scheduled Transaction edit tab:

Every [1] months
On the [3rd Wed] except on weekends [No change]



-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user  On 
Behalf Of mjchurchil--- via gnucash-user
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2023 10:56 AM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org; stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [GNC] Schedule transaction for 2 Wednesday?

 I think Stephen Butler is right. I get a deposit every 3rd Wednesday and 
gnucash gets it right every time. Don't remember the process to set it up, but 
his sounds correct. gnucash 4.13. Mike
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:29:50 PM PST, Stephen M. Butler 
 wrote:  
 
 Set it on the Frequency tab.

Frequency -- pick Monthly
Every ? months -- (enter 1 into that box) On the {big drop down list}  -- Pick 
the '2nd Wed' from the list.

Stephen M Butler, PMP, PSM
stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com
kg...@arrl.net
253-350-0166
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[GNC] new user woes

[flywire]

> the tutorial is rather cumbersome to read thru

Certainly, so don't. It's learn by example and it works, so open up a file
and enter the transactions. Try this layout based on an old guide:
https://gnucash-docs-rst.readthedocs.io
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[GNC] Update aqbanking

[Fred Tydeman]

OS:  Linux Fedora 36

When I do the command:  dnf update
I get this error message:
Problem: cannot install the best update candidate for package
aqbanking-6.5.3-1.fc36.x86_64
  - nothing provides libchipcard needed by aqbanking-6.5.4-1.fc36.x86_64

Then, when I do the command: dnf install libchipcard
I get this error message:
No match for argument: libchipcard
Error: Unable to find a match: libchipcard

I assume that this is a Fedora issue.
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