Re: [GNC] UK VAT and "Making Tax Digital"

[David Cousens]

Peter 

According to the website there is no requirement that all of the functions
can be done from inside a single program.  E.g.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-notice-70022-making-tax-digital-for-vat/vat-notice-70022-making-tax-digital-for-vat#para-3-2

"HMRC expects that there will be software products available that will
perform all of the functions listed above. Some software programs will not
be able to perform all of these functions by themselves. For example, a
spreadsheet or other software product that is capable of recording and
preserving digital records may not be able to perform the other 2 functions
listed above, but can still be a component of functional compatible software
if it is used in conjunction with one or more programs that do perform those
functions."

The  paragraph following that on Digital Links is also instructive in that
cut and paste is not permitted. Since CSV and or XML links are valid i.e.
export of an XML or CSV file with the required data from GnuCash to a
program which implements the API and can import the XML file and communicate
with HMRC is likely to be the simplest route. The problem is of course that
neither the XML or CSV export of the required tax data exists. If there is
an existing linking program capable of importing XML/CSV data and
communicating it to HMRC, then it would be an obvious choice to target and
create XML/CSV output for to match its input requirements. The obvious
candidate to start from would be the existing Tax Reports and create an XML
file as a secondary output from the creation of the Tax Report and have it
selectable in the tax report options. The current tax report does have an
export in txf format which may also be importable into a suitable  linking
program if that is available

For GnuCash to do this requires someone with the development expertise and
an interest in the problem, i.e. most likely a user with development
expertise who lives in the UK since this requirement is unique to HMRC and
the UK. The ATO in Australia allows us to cut and paste data into a web
portal on their site  in addition to uploading data from business enabled
software directly.

Some of the digital recording requirements would appear to be met by the
ability to associate  scanned copies of external records
(invoice/bills/receipts etc) with specific transactions in GnuCash however
there may be problems associated with the storage location of such files not
being in the GnuCash data file itself. It may be sufficient to have a
directory containing the images in a subdirectory of the directory
containing the data file.

David Cousens



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Re: [GNC] UK VAT and "Making Tax Digital"

[Christopher Lam]

Hi David and Peter,

Just a couple minor amendments

On 17/2/19 5:23 pm, David Cousens wrote:

The  paragraph following that on Digital Links is also instructive in that
cut and paste is not permitted. Since CSV and or XML links are valid i.e.
export of an XML or CSV file with the required data from GnuCash to a
program which implements the API and can import the XML file and communicate
with HMRC is likely to be the simplest route. The problem is of course that
neither the XML or CSV export of the required tax data exists. If there is
an existing linking program capable of importing XML/CSV data and
communicating it to HMRC, then it would be an obvious choice to target and
create XML/CSV output for to match its input requirements. The obvious
candidate to start from would be the existing Tax Reports and create an XML
file as a secondary output from the creation of the Tax Report and have it
selectable in the tax report options. The current tax report does have an
export in txf format which may also be importable into a suitable  linking
program if that is available



The Tax Report is not suitable for other countries. It is hard-coded to 
USD, and US taxcodes, and has been adapted for German tax codes, but is 
otherwise unmaintained and unintelligible.


I can amend Income-GST-statement, which is tailor-made for periodic 
GST/VAT returns, to output CSV or XML. But so far there's little demand 
nor willing beta-testers.


The CSV/XML can be submitted to HMRC via MTD Bridging software, of which 
there's plenty of free and non-free options. The bridging software must 
handle HMRC authentication and encryption, and this is not suitable for 
inclusion in GnuCash.


FWIW I use income-gst-statement quarterly successfully for GST returns 
via the ATO portal.


C

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Re: [GNC] UK VAT and "Making Tax Digital"

[Maf. King]

Hi Christopher,

Tanks for alerting me to the GST report

I've been wondering about MTD too. AIUI I'm OK for my return due in April, but 
I need to have something in place for the end of July.  My plan was to 
eventually select some bridging software, and feed it with numbers from my 
existing saved transaction reports that I've been using for many years to get 
the correct reporting totals.

That GST report looks like it might be just the thing to save an intermediate 
step of a spreadsheet to combine my reports into one list of totals to feed 
into the bridge.

my concerns at the moment is how compatible the bridging solutions are with 
Linux / Libre Office, and what a stupid idea it is to implement this at the 
same 
time as all the potential massive changes to the rules as a result of UK 
leaving the EU.

Maf.


On Sunday, 17 February 2019 00:35:03 GMT Christopher Lam wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> May I ask what are you currently using to generate the VAT reports? Are you
> using the Income&GST statement?
> 
> Do you intend to use bridging software? If so the GST report could be
> upgraded to use them.
> 
> On Sun., 17 Feb. 2019, 05:55 Peter von Kaehne  > Hi,
> > 
> > We are using Gnucash very gratefully for now over a decade in our small
> > business. We are VAT registered.
> > 
> > The UK government has declared it requires from this year onwards VAT
> > businesses to go towards a complete digital solution with their tax
> > under new law called "Making Tax Digital". All tax records need to be
> > in a seamless electronic format from entering into books to filing with
> > the tax office. An API has  been offered
> > 
> > 
> > https://developer.service.hmrc.gov.uk/api-documentation/docs/api/service/v
> > at-api/1.0#_retrieve-vat-obligations_get_accordion
> > 
> > The main obstacle I can see for us right now is we have as far as I can
> > tell no way to file Tax returns from inside the programme.
> > 
> > 
> > https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-notice-70022-making-tax-dig
> > ital-for-vat/vat-notice-70022-making-tax-digital-for-vat#para-3-2> 
> > I quote:
> > > Functional compatible software is a software program, or set of
> > > 
> > > software programs, products or applications, that must be able to:
> > > record and preserve digital records (see paragraph 3.3)
> > > provide to HMRC information and returns from data held in those
> > > 
> > >   digital records by using the API platform
> > > 
> > > receive information from HMRC via the API platform
> > 
> > Is there anything you have in the pipeline? We can hardly be the first
> > or only who will have a problem...
> > 
> > Many thanks!
> > 
> > Peter
> > 
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Re: [GNC] UK VAT and "Making Tax Digital"

[Maf. King]

On Sunday, 17 February 2019 11:57:58 GMT Christopher Lam wrote:

> 
> I can amend Income-GST-statement, which is tailor-made for periodic
> GST/VAT returns, to output CSV or XML. But so far there's little demand
> nor willing beta-testers.
> 

*Raises Hand in the Air*  I'll volunteer to test.  With the caveat that my VAT 
is not normally very complicated.  

The GST report I ran earlier this morning spat out numbers which matched my 
last quarter's return (generated from customised options to transaction 
reports), which is a good start!

Maf.



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Re: [GNC] UK VAT and "Making Tax Digital"

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 2/16/2019 4:18 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:



The main obstacle I can see for us right now is we have as far as I can
tell no way to file Tax returns from inside the programme.

Is there anything you have in the pipeline? We can hardly be the first
or only who will have a problem...
As others have already pointed out, there is no requirement that this be 
from within the bookkeeping program.


At the same time, I do understand why you would think that ability 
useful to you (and I agree, it would be). But do you understand, when 
you are asking "is it in the development pipeline" what you are REALLY 
asking? That gnucash have this capability for eery jurisdiction on the 
planet. I mean, why should YOURS have some special place in the line.


Commercial "combined packages" << general ledger, POS, tax 
reporting/filing, inventory, payroll, etc. >> are usually written to 
compete in the market of those satisfying the requirements of some 
specific jurisdiction or rang of jurisdictions. For example, look at the 
packages sold here in the US. Do you see them even dealing with VAT let 
alone being to report it as required?


Michael D Novack
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Re: [GNC] Struggling with Quicken import

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Re: [GNC] Struggling with Quicken import

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As I said: nabble != lists.gnucash.org

If you were to subscribe to the Gnucash list-- rather than nabble, you'd 
understand.

On February 18, 2019, at 1:40 AM, dmacklewis  wrote:

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[GNC] GnuCash Android is dead?

[GTI .H]

I know the GnuCash Android app (GA) is totally independent of GnuCash
Desktop, but here it is quite likely to find users and news.

I have not seen anything new on the GA website (
https://github.com/codinguser/gnucash-android) and the Ngewi Fet codinguser
does not respond to months.

I'm worried. 🤔
Does anyone know what's going on with the GnuCash Android project?


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