Re: Manually entering historic records

2018-01-14 Thread Rick Copple
Hi Trevor,

What exactly is it doing to prevent you from entering past dates? I enter them 
all the time. You do have to enter the / dividers. Like instead of 11418 you 
would have to enter 1/14/18 to get the date to come out right. 

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On Jan 14, 2018, at 12:15 AM, Trevor Richards  wrote:

> I've been following the user group for years but still not started the move 
> from 20yrs of MSmoney... all looks too hard with an MSM file with records 
> back to 1997.
> I thought I could test the water with a new business and associated bank 
> account that started in 2016.I've been managing this with a spreadsheet as 
> very few transactions.
> So I set up a business set of accounts and tried entering manually, the 
> historic records... I'm immediately stumped. It does not let me enter past 
> dates. Clearly I'm going about this in the wrong way.Advice appreciated.Trevor
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Re: Manually entering historic records

2018-01-14 Thread Gregory L. Davis

Trevor:

It sounds to me like you have to increase the number of days for "Read 
only" transactions.  Try clicking on the file menu, then preferences. 
In the "Accounts" tab, increase "Day Threshold for Read-Only 
Transactions (red line):".  You can set the number of days to to 
something like 800 to include all of 2016.


Hope this helps,

greg




I've been following the user group for years but still not started the 
move from 20yrs of MSmoney... all looks too hard with an MSM file with 
records back to 1997.
I thought I could test the water with a new business and associated bank 
account that started in 2016.I've been managing this with a spreadsheet 
as very few transactions.
So I set up a business set of accounts and tried entering manually, the 
historic records... I'm immediately stumped. It does not let me enter 
past dates. Clearly I'm going about this in the wrong way.Advice 
appreciated.Trevor



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Re: Read only transactions

2018-01-14 Thread Cliff McDiarmid
 Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 5:22 PM
   From: "Colin Law" 
   To: "Cliff McDiarmid" 
   Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
   Subject: Re: Read only transactions
   On 13 January 2018 at 17:12, Cliff McDiarmid 
   wrote:
   >
   > >Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 4:58 PM
   > >From: "Colin Law" 
   > >To: "Cliff McDiarmid" 
   > .Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
   > >Subject: Re: Read only transactions
   > >On 10 January 2018 at 19:21, Cliff McDiarmid
wrote:
   >>
   >> Hi
   >>
   >> I still haven't sorted my Quicken import, getting the correct
   balances
   >> without a 'balance adjustment' is difficult.
   >
   >
   > >Add (or adjust) an appropriate opening balance.
   >
   >>
   >>
   >> But the question is: How do i delete an account when it contains
   read
   >> only transactions? I know i can move the transactions elsewhere, but
   I
   >> need to delete the accounts.
   >
   >
   > >What do you mean by read only transactions?
   >
   > Well I assume, as in Linux, that one cannot write to or change these
   files.
   >
   > >When you delete an account that contains transactions it should ask
   you which account you want to move them to.
   >
   > Yes, that's right it does. But it won't let me delete the account
   altogether, because the account contains read only transactions. Other
   accounts I've deleted have given one the option of moving the files as
   you say or deleting them entirely.
   >All the accounts are in one file, so if you have read access to the
   >file then it is not a permissions issue. How are you trying to delete
   >the account and exactly what do you see when you try to delete it?
   I right click on the account and select delete account.   I get a box
   that gives me two options. To move the transactions and to delete them,
   but the delete option is greyed out.  The message in the same box
   says:  'This account contains read-only transactions which may not be
   deleted'

   Cliff
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Re: Read only transactions

2018-01-14 Thread Colin Law
What have you specified for Day Threshold for Read-Only Transactions
(red line): in Edit > Preferences > Accounts?

Colin

On 14 January 2018 at 12:04, Cliff McDiarmid  wrote:
>   Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 5:22 PM
> From: "Colin Law" 
> To: "Cliff McDiarmid" 
> Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: Read only transactions
> On 13 January 2018 at 17:12, Cliff McDiarmid 
> wrote:
>>
>> >Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 4:58 PM
>> >From: "Colin Law" 
>> >To: "Cliff McDiarmid" 
>> .Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
>> >Subject: Re: Read only transactions
>> >On 10 January 2018 at 19:21, Cliff McDiarmid 
>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I still haven't sorted my Quicken import, getting the correct balances
>>> without a 'balance adjustment' is difficult.
>>
>>
>> >Add (or adjust) an appropriate opening balance.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But the question is: How do i delete an account when it contains read
>>> only transactions? I know i can move the transactions elsewhere, but I
>>> need to delete the accounts.
>>
>>
>> >What do you mean by read only transactions?
>>
>> Well I assume, as in Linux, that one cannot write to or change these
>> files.
>>
>> >When you delete an account that contains transactions it should ask you
>> > which account you want to move them to.
>>
>> Yes, that's right it does. But it won't let me delete the account
>> altogether, because the account contains read only transactions. Other
>> accounts I've deleted have given one the option of moving the files as you
>> say or deleting them entirely.
>
>>All the accounts are in one file, so if you have read access to the
>>file then it is not a permissions issue. How are you trying to delete
>>the account and exactly what do you see when you try to delete it?
>
> I right click on the account and select delete account.   I get a box that
> gives me two options. To move the transactions and to delete them, but the
> delete option is greyed out.  The message in the same box says:  'This
> account contains read-only transactions which may not be deleted'
>
> Cliff
>
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Re: Manually entering historic records

2018-01-14 Thread Colin Law
On 14 January 2018 at 09:59, Gregory L. Davis  wrote:
> Trevor:
>
> It sounds to me like you have to increase the number of days for "Read only"
> transactions.  Try clicking on the file menu, then preferences. In the
> "Accounts" tab, increase "Day Threshold for Read-Only Transactions (red
> line):".  You can set the number of days to to something like 800 to include
> all of 2016.

Is that a new feature? I don't see it in 2.6.17.
I think it is Edit > Preferences rather than File, but I still don't have it.

Colin

>
> Hope this helps,
>
> greg
>
>
>
>
> I've been following the user group for years but still not started the move
> from 20yrs of MSmoney... all looks too hard with an MSM file with records
> back to 1997.
> I thought I could test the water with a new business and associated bank
> account that started in 2016.I've been managing this with a spreadsheet as
> very few transactions.
> So I set up a business set of accounts and tried entering manually, the
> historic records... I'm immediately stumped. It does not let me enter past
> dates. Clearly I'm going about this in the wrong way.Advice
> appreciated.Trevor
>
>
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Re: Manually entering historic records

2018-01-14 Thread Colin Law
On 14 January 2018 at 12:22, Colin Law  wrote:
> On 14 January 2018 at 09:59, Gregory L. Davis  wrote:
>> Trevor:
>>
>> It sounds to me like you have to increase the number of days for "Read only"
>> transactions.  Try clicking on the file menu, then preferences. In the
>> "Accounts" tab, increase "Day Threshold for Read-Only Transactions (red
>> line):".  You can set the number of days to to something like 800 to include
>> all of 2016.
>
> Is that a new feature? I don't see it in 2.6.17.
> I think it is Edit > Preferences rather than File, but I still don't have it.

Sorry, you are right, it is File > Preferences, and it is there.

Colin

>
> Colin
>
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> greg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I've been following the user group for years but still not started the move
>> from 20yrs of MSmoney... all looks too hard with an MSM file with records
>> back to 1997.
>> I thought I could test the water with a new business and associated bank
>> account that started in 2016.I've been managing this with a spreadsheet as
>> very few transactions.
>> So I set up a business set of accounts and tried entering manually, the
>> historic records... I'm immediately stumped. It does not let me enter past
>> dates. Clearly I'm going about this in the wrong way.Advice
>> appreciated.Trevor
>>
>>
>> --
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>> g...@centurytel.net
>>
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Re: Read only transactions

2018-01-14 Thread Colin Law
Sorry, it is in File > Properties > Accounts.  Best left at zero
unless you want earlier transactions to be protected.

Colin

On 14 January 2018 at 12:15, Colin Law  wrote:
> What have you specified for Day Threshold for Read-Only Transactions
> (red line): in Edit > Preferences > Accounts?
>
> Colin
>
> On 14 January 2018 at 12:04, Cliff McDiarmid  wrote:
>>   Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 5:22 PM
>> From: "Colin Law" 
>> To: "Cliff McDiarmid" 
>> Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
>> Subject: Re: Read only transactions
>> On 13 January 2018 at 17:12, Cliff McDiarmid 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 4:58 PM
>>> >From: "Colin Law" 
>>> >To: "Cliff McDiarmid" 
>>> .Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
>>> >Subject: Re: Read only transactions
>>> >On 10 January 2018 at 19:21, Cliff McDiarmid 
>>> > wrote:

 Hi

 I still haven't sorted my Quicken import, getting the correct balances
 without a 'balance adjustment' is difficult.
>>>
>>>
>>> >Add (or adjust) an appropriate opening balance.
>>>


 But the question is: How do i delete an account when it contains read
 only transactions? I know i can move the transactions elsewhere, but I
 need to delete the accounts.
>>>
>>>
>>> >What do you mean by read only transactions?
>>>
>>> Well I assume, as in Linux, that one cannot write to or change these
>>> files.
>>>
>>> >When you delete an account that contains transactions it should ask you
>>> > which account you want to move them to.
>>>
>>> Yes, that's right it does. But it won't let me delete the account
>>> altogether, because the account contains read only transactions. Other
>>> accounts I've deleted have given one the option of moving the files as you
>>> say or deleting them entirely.
>>
>>>All the accounts are in one file, so if you have read access to the
>>>file then it is not a permissions issue. How are you trying to delete
>>>the account and exactly what do you see when you try to delete it?
>>
>> I right click on the account and select delete account.   I get a box that
>> gives me two options. To move the transactions and to delete them, but the
>> delete option is greyed out.  The message in the same box says:  'This
>> account contains read-only transactions which may not be deleted'
>>
>> Cliff
>>
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Re: Correcting Opening Balances

2018-01-14 Thread Mike or Penny Novack

On 1/13/2018 5:17 PM, David Carlson wrote:

Did you check the transactions as you imported them to weed out duplicates
and correct errors?

If not, I would suggest starting over to get at least reasonably close to a
good starting point.
Also, this is a case where the solution to the problem more obvious if 
you understand what "opening balance" is doing, how you would be doing 
that if setting up your books manually (hand creating the opening 
TRANSACTIONs), and the proper/formal method of correcting "errors" and 
omissions << entering a correcting transaction instead of editing an 
existing one>>


If you are going to import from another system, run a Balance Sheet (of 
that other system) as of the date you will be using for the import. That 
will show you what the opening values SHOULD be.


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Re: Manually entering historic records

2018-01-14 Thread David Carlson
Well, the red line read only option is not in release 2.6.11. I am
surprised that it might not be defaulting to 0 (off) for some users.

There is another possibility.  The General Ledger view (under the Tools
menu button) defaults to only show the last 30 days, which could make it
appear that older transactions have disappeared and therefore are
un-editable.  That is easily changed by clicking on View > Filter by..>
Date.

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 6:25 AM, Colin Law  wrote:

> On 14 January 2018 at 12:22, Colin Law  wrote:
> > On 14 January 2018 at 09:59, Gregory L. Davis  wrote:
> >> Trevor:
> >>
> >> It sounds to me like you have to increase the number of days for "Read
> only"
> >> transactions.  Try clicking on the file menu, then preferences. In the
> >> "Accounts" tab, increase "Day Threshold for Read-Only Transactions (red
> >> line):".  You can set the number of days to to something like 800 to
> include
> >> all of 2016.
> >
> > Is that a new feature? I don't see it in 2.6.17.
> > I think it is Edit > Preferences rather than File, but I still don't
> have it.
>
> Sorry, you are right, it is File > Preferences, and it is there.
>
> Colin
>
> >
> > Colin
> >
> >>
> >> Hope this helps,
> >>
> >> greg
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I've been following the user group for years but still not started the
> move
> >> from 20yrs of MSmoney... all looks too hard with an MSM file with
> records
> >> back to 1997.
> >> I thought I could test the water with a new business and associated bank
> >> account that started in 2016.I've been managing this with a spreadsheet
> as
> >> very few transactions.
> >> So I set up a business set of accounts and tried entering manually, the
> >> historic records... I'm immediately stumped. It does not let me enter
> past
> >> dates. Clearly I'm going about this in the wrong way.Advice
> >> appreciated.Trevor
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gregory L. Davis
> >> g...@centurytel.net
> >>
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can I make account names be left justified?

2018-01-14 Thread Jeff Abrahamson
When viewing a ledger in gnucash 2.6.15 (rev 1ef17e6+), the description
is left-justified (good!) but the account names are right justified.  Is
there a way to make the account names be left justified?

Thanks.

Some context, but this is really trivia:  In France, the basic structure
of account numbers are set by legislation.  This seems insane the first
time one learns this, but it does turn it out to make it easier to
compare books between different organisations.  Anyway, the result is
that having those account numbers at the beginning of account names
makes a huge amount of sense in France.  So seeing the left side is more
important than seeing the right side.  (It also means that turning on
the feature only to show leaf accounts works really well, because the
account number already clearly indicates where in the account tree I am.)

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gnc-fq-update download

2018-01-14 Thread Roger Miskowicz
I remember this being talked about recently but I haven't been able to
locate the topic and was not able to figure out how to search the archive.

I have GnuCash 2.6.12 downloaded from Ubunto repository which doesn't seem
to include gnc-fq-update that I would like to set up to update currencies.

Would someone please provide me some guidance on how to download the latest
version of gnc-gq-update?
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Re: can I make account names be left justified?

2018-01-14 Thread David Carlson
That is very interesting and a good justification to provide such an
option.  I however like the current right justification because I have
designed my account names to have some critical-to-me distinctions at the
end of the name.  Sometimes that is account owners initials or the last
four digits of the account number.

Can we have an option to have it either way and changeable by a click in
the title box similar the the way spreadsheets do it?

David C

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Jeff Abrahamson  wrote:

> When viewing a ledger in gnucash 2.6.15 (rev 1ef17e6+), the description
> is left-justified (good!) but the account names are right justified.  Is
> there a way to make the account names be left justified?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Some context, but this is really trivia:  In France, the basic structure
> of account numbers are set by legislation.  This seems insane the first
> time one learns this, but it does turn it out to make it easier to
> compare books between different organisations.  Anyway, the result is
> that having those account numbers at the beginning of account names
> makes a huge amount of sense in France.  So seeing the left side is more
> important than seeing the right side.  (It also means that turning on
> the feature only to show leaf accounts works really well, because the
> account number already clearly indicates where in the account tree I am.)
>
> --
>
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>
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Re: Read only transactions

2018-01-14 Thread Cliff McDiarmid


   Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 12:27 PM
   From: "Colin Law" 
   To: "Cliff McDiarmid" 
   Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
   Subject: Re: Read only transactions
   >Sorry, it is in File > Properties > Accounts. Best left at zero
   >unless you want earlier transactions to be protected.

   Yes that's what mine is set to, i.e. zero.

   Where is this read only nonsense coming from then?

   Cliff
   On 14 January 2018 at 12:15, Colin Law  wrote:
   > What have you specified for Day Threshold for Read-Only Transactions
   > (red line): in Edit > Preferences > Accounts?
   >
   > Colin
   >
   > On 14 January 2018 at 12:04, Cliff McDiarmid
wrote:
   >> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 5:22 PM
   >> From: "Colin Law" 
   >> To: "Cliff McDiarmid" 
   >> Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
   >> Subject: Re: Read only transactions
   >> On 13 January 2018 at 17:12, Cliff McDiarmid
   
   >> wrote:
   >>>
   >>> >Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 4:58 PM
   >>> >From: "Colin Law" 
   >>> >To: "Cliff McDiarmid" 
   >>> .Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
   >>> >Subject: Re: Read only transactions
   >>> >On 10 January 2018 at 19:21, Cliff McDiarmid
   
   >>> > wrote:
   
    Hi
   
    I still haven't sorted my Quicken import, getting the correct
   balances
    without a 'balance adjustment' is difficult.
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> >Add (or adjust) an appropriate opening balance.
   >>>
   
   
    But the question is: How do i delete an account when it contains
   read
    only transactions? I know i can move the transactions elsewhere,
   but I
    need to delete the accounts.
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> >What do you mean by read only transactions?
   >>>
   >>> Well I assume, as in Linux, that one cannot write to or change
   these
   >>> files.
   >>>
   >>> >When you delete an account that contains transactions it should
   ask you
   >>> > which account you want to move them to.
   >>>
   >>> Yes, that's right it does. But it won't let me delete the account
   >>> altogether, because the account contains read only transactions.
   Other
   >>> accounts I've deleted have given one the option of moving the files
   as you
   >>> say or deleting them entirely.
   >>
   >>>All the accounts are in one file, so if you have read access to the
   >>>file then it is not a permissions issue. How are you trying to
   delete
   >>>the account and exactly what do you see when you try to delete it?
   >>
   >> I right click on the account and select delete account. I get a box
   that
   >> gives me two options. To move the transactions and to delete them,
   but the
   >> delete option is greyed out. The message in the same box says: 'This
   >> account contains read-only transactions which may not be deleted'
   >>
   >> Cliff
   >>
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Re: gnc-fq-update download

2018-01-14 Thread farleykj
I don't know where the gnc-fq-* files are put on a Linux installation, but
they are just short Perl scripts that do the stuff for you. I'm on OS X, and
on there the files are in /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/bin
Either way, here the text from "gnc-fq-update". You can copy this into a
file, make it executable with a "chmod 755" and you should be in business.

--- [ BEGIN SCRIPT ] ---
#!/usr/bin/perl -w  
##  
### gnc-fq-update - presents a scheme interface to Finance::Quote   
### Copyright 2001 Gnumatic, Inc.   
### 
### This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or   
### modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as  
### published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of  
### the License, or (at your option) any later version. 
### 
### This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, 
### but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of  
### MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the   
### GNU General Public License for more details.
### 
### You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License   
### along with this program# if not, contact:   
### 
### Free Software Foundation   Voice:  +1-617-542-5942  
### 51 Franklin Street, Fifth FloorFax:+1-617-542-2652  
### Boston, MA  02110-1301,  USA   g...@gnu.org 
 
##  

use strict; 
use CPAN;   

if ($( != 0) {  
  print "\n";   
  print "You probably need to be root before running gnc-fq-update.";   
  print "\n\n"; 
  print "Are you sure, you want to update parts of your Perl library? (y/n)
";  

  my $input = ;  
  chomp ($input);   

  exit 0 if ($input ne "y");
}   

CPAN::Shell->install('Date::Manip'); #Required by gnc-fq-helper 
CPAN::Shell->install('Finance::Quote'); 

## Local Variables: 
## mode: perl   
## End:
--- [ END SCRIPT ] ---



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Re: can I make account names be left justified?

2018-01-14 Thread Jeff Abrahamson
I've filed an enhancement request here:

    https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=792510

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On 14/01/18 16:13, David Carlson wrote:
> That is very interesting and a good justification to provide such an
> option.  I however like the current right justification because I have
> designed my account names to have some critical-to-me distinctions at
> the end of the name.  Sometimes that is account owners initials or the
> last four digits of the account number.
>
> Can we have an option to have it either way and changeable by a click
> in the title box similar the the way spreadsheets do it?
>
> David C
>
> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Jeff Abrahamson  > wrote:
>
> When viewing a ledger in gnucash 2.6.15 (rev 1ef17e6+), the
> description
> is left-justified (good!) but the account names are right
> justified.  Is
> there a way to make the account names be left justified?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Some context, but this is really trivia:  In France, the basic
> structure
> of account numbers are set by legislation.  This seems insane the
> first
> time one learns this, but it does turn it out to make it easier to
> compare books between different organisations.  Anyway, the result is
> that having those account numbers at the beginning of account names
> makes a huge amount of sense in France.  So seeing the left side
> is more
> important than seeing the right side.  (It also means that turning on
> the feature only to show leaf accounts works really well, because the
> account number already clearly indicates where in the account tree
> I am.)
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Re: Read only transactions

2018-01-14 Thread Colin Law
I think you said that you had already made sure that neither hidden
nor placeholder are set for the account you are trying to edit. If you
can identify one of the transactions then check that the other account
in that transaction is also not hidden or placeholder.

Colin

On 14 January 2018 at 15:14, Cliff McDiarmid  wrote:
>
>
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 12:27 PM
> From: "Colin Law" 
> To: "Cliff McDiarmid" 
> Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: Read only transactions
>>Sorry, it is in File > Properties > Accounts. Best left at zero
>>unless you want earlier transactions to be protected.
>
> Yes that's what mine is set to, i.e. zero.
>
> Where is this read only nonsense coming from then?
>
> Cliff
>
>
> On 14 January 2018 at 12:15, Colin Law  wrote:
>> What have you specified for Day Threshold for Read-Only Transactions
>> (red line): in Edit > Preferences > Accounts?
>>
>> Colin
>>
>> On 14 January 2018 at 12:04, Cliff McDiarmid 
>> wrote:
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 5:22 PM
>>> From: "Colin Law" 
>>> To: "Cliff McDiarmid" 
>>> Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
>>> Subject: Re: Read only transactions
>>> On 13 January 2018 at 17:12, Cliff McDiarmid 
>>> wrote:

 >Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 4:58 PM
 >From: "Colin Law" 
 >To: "Cliff McDiarmid" 
 .Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
 >Subject: Re: Read only transactions
 >On 10 January 2018 at 19:21, Cliff McDiarmid 
 > wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I still haven't sorted my Quicken import, getting the correct balances
> without a 'balance adjustment' is difficult.


 >Add (or adjust) an appropriate opening balance.

>
>
> But the question is: How do i delete an account when it contains read
> only transactions? I know i can move the transactions elsewhere, but I
> need to delete the accounts.


 >What do you mean by read only transactions?

 Well I assume, as in Linux, that one cannot write to or change these
 files.

 >When you delete an account that contains transactions it should ask you
 > which account you want to move them to.

 Yes, that's right it does. But it won't let me delete the account
 altogether, because the account contains read only transactions. Other
 accounts I've deleted have given one the option of moving the files as
 you
 say or deleting them entirely.
>>>
All the accounts are in one file, so if you have read access to the
file then it is not a permissions issue. How are you trying to delete
the account and exactly what do you see when you try to delete it?
>>>
>>> I right click on the account and select delete account. I get a box that
>>> gives me two options. To move the transactions and to delete them, but
>>> the
>>> delete option is greyed out. The message in the same box says: 'This
>>> account contains read-only transactions which may not be deleted'
>>>
>>> Cliff
>>>
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Re: Read only transactions

2018-01-14 Thread Geert Janssens
Op zondag 14 januari 2018 16:14:18 CET schreef Cliff McDiarmid:
>Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 12:27 PM
>From: "Colin Law" 
>To: "Cliff McDiarmid" 
>Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
>Subject: Re: Read only transactions
> 
>>Sorry, it is in File > Properties > Accounts. Best left at zero
>>unless you want earlier transactions to be protected.
> 
>Yes that's what mine is set to, i.e. zero.
> 
>Where is this read only nonsense coming from then?
> 
>Cliff

There are several reasons why transactions can be read-only.

The "Read-only" treshold is one.

If you have voided a transaction, that one will become read-only as well.

And if the transaction is the result of posting an invoice or bill using the 
business features, it will equally be read-only.

There may be other reasons but I only know of these.

Solutions:

In the case of a voided transaction, unvoid it. In case of a transaction from 
a bill or invoice (or employee voucher for that matter), use the business 
features to unpost it again.

Regards,

Geert


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Re: Read only transactions

2018-01-14 Thread Christoph R
Maybe you have set the day limit in the books options? “File-> Options”..

Cheers,
Christoph

> Am 13.01.2018 um 17:51 schrieb Cliff McDiarmid :
> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 7:21 PM
> 
>> From: "Cliff McDiarmid" 
>> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
>> Subject: Read only transactions
> 
>> Hi
>  
>> I still haven't sorted my Quicken import, getting the correct balances 
>> without a 'balance adjustment' is difficult.
>  
>> But the question is:  How do i delete an account when it contains read only 
>> transactions?  I know i can move the transactions elsewhere, but I need to 
>> delete the accounts.
>  
>> I understand that the 'placeholder box' needs to be unchecked; it already 
>> is.  Need a solution, Google yields nothing.
>  
>   
>  Okay so there's no answer or maybe it's a dumb question.
> 
> So, is there anyway I can set the transactions within an account to read and 
> write?
> 
> thanks
> 
> Cliff
>  
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Installation on Windows 10

2018-01-14 Thread Snarky Email
   I installed gnucash on my Windows 10 system and the new file setup
   fails.  I am using defaults for a new account to practice/test with.
   When I try to save as xml I get this error:  GnuCash could not write to
   C:\Users\Joe\Documents\gnucashtest.gnucash.  That database may be on a
   read-only file system, or you may not have write permission for the
   directory."
   I do have full access on the folder.
   Any help would be appreciated.
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Double Entry of Informal "Loan" & Repayment

2018-01-14 Thread Keith Lewis
I'm new to GC, longtime Quicken user. This is a double-entry accounting 
question rather than a GC question-hope that's okay in this mailing list. I 
made a purchase for a gift w credit card and used expenses:gifts to balance. 
Afterwards, a friend wanted to help with the gift and so paid me half with 
cash. I think I should deposit that cash into assets:wallet and balance with 
expenses:gift. But isnt the cash from my friend income? Does this sound right 
to you? Now imagine my friend had offered ahead of time to help pay for the 
gift, but didn't immediately have the cash. I think I could record the 
transactions as above or set up a "loan" account to track the "loan". IOW split 
liability:creditcard -> expense:gifts + liability:creditcard -> loan; then when 
he pays me back, loan -> asset:wallet.Thanks for your time,Keith
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Re: Double Entry of Informal "Loan" & Repayment

2018-01-14 Thread Buddha Buck
I would account for it as your original thought: debit cash, credit gift
expense.

As far as you are concerned, you paid for half of the gift, so your total
expense is half the cost of the gift. Not all money you receive is income.


On Sun, Jan 14, 2018, 14:00 Keith Lewis  wrote:

> I'm new to GC, longtime Quicken user. This is a double-entry accounting
> question rather than a GC question-hope that's okay in this mailing list. I
> made a purchase for a gift w credit card and used expenses:gifts to
> balance. Afterwards, a friend wanted to help with the gift and so paid me
> half with cash. I think I should deposit that cash into assets:wallet and
> balance with expenses:gift. But isnt the cash from my friend income? Does
> this sound right to you? Now imagine my friend had offered ahead of time to
> help pay for the gift, but didn't immediately have the cash. I think I
> could record the transactions as above or set up a "loan" account to track
> the "loan". IOW split liability:creditcard -> expense:gifts
> + liability:creditcard -> loan; then when he pays me back, loan ->
> asset:wallet.Thanks for your time,Keith
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Re: Installation on Windows 10

2018-01-14 Thread David Carlson
Snarky,

It does seem very odd that GnuCash is unable to write to that folder.  Can
you save other documents to that folder?

I would recommend creating a special subfolder for GnuCash data files as
GnuCash will be creating a lot of temporary files in the same folder.

David C


On Jan 14, 2018 12:52 PM, "Snarky Email"  wrote:

>I installed gnucash on my Windows 10 system and the new file setup
>fails.  I am using defaults for a new account to practice/test with.
>When I try to save as xml I get this error:  GnuCash could not write to
>C:\Users\Joe\Documents\gnucashtest.gnucash.  That database may be on a
>read-only file system, or you may not have write permission for the
>directory."
>I do have full access on the folder.
>Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: Installation on Windows 10

2018-01-14 Thread cicko
Nothing obvious to point out, unfortunately. GnuCash normally does not have
issues like that. You can try out a few things.
Can you save the book as sqlite database and open it?
Can you save the book through "save as" option and open it again?
Is there an antivirus or something else that might be locking the file? 
Do you have another instance of GnuCash running, using the same book?

You can also try a tool like Unlocker, Process Hacker, or Resource Monitor
and see which processes are using your database file.



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Re: Double Entry of Informal "Loan" & Repayment

2018-01-14 Thread Mike or Penny Novack

On 1/14/2018 1:57 PM, Keith Lewis wrote:

I'm new to GC, longtime Quicken user. This is a double-entry accounting question rather than a GC 
question-hope that's okay in this mailing list. I made a purchase for a gift w credit card and used 
expenses:gifts to balance. Afterwards, a friend wanted to help with the gift and so paid me half with cash. 
I think I should deposit that cash into assets:wallet and balance with expenses:gift. But isnt the cash from 
my friend income? Does this sound right to you? Now imagine my friend had offered ahead of time to help pay 
for the gift, but didn't immediately have the cash. I think I could record the transactions as above or set 
up a "loan" account to track the "loan". IOW split liability:creditcard -> 
expense:gifts + liability:creditcard -> loan; then when he pays me back, loan -> asset:wallet.Thanks 
for your time,Keith
No, not income but an adjustment to an expense. You (later) learned that 
you were not paying for all of the gift but sharing the cost. So an 
adjustment transaction: (when he pays you)

debit  wallet
   creditgift expense
   description could explain -- say "friend is paying for half the 
gift"


Now let's examine the second case where the friend agreed to do this but 
hadn't yet. In other words, you paid for the gift but he owes you for 
that share of it. I am assuming that you mentioned credit card because 
that is HOW you paid for the gift.


when gift purchased
debitgift expense (for your share)
debitowed by friend (that is an ASSET type account)
 creditcredit card (for the purchase price

when he pays you back that's a transfer between assets
debit   wallet
 credit owed by friend   (that "asset" is now zero)

Michael D Novack




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Re: Read only transactions

2018-01-14 Thread Cliff McDiarmid
   Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 5:20 PM
   From: "Geert Janssens" 
   To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
   Cc: "Cliff McDiarmid" , "Colin Law"
   
   Subject: Re: Read only transactions
   Op zondag 14 januari 2018 16:14:18 CET schreef Cliff McDiarmid:
   > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 12:27 PM
   > From: "Colin Law" 
   > To: "Cliff McDiarmid" 
   > Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
   > Subject: Re: Read only transactions
   >
   > >Sorry, it is in File > Properties > Accounts. Best left at zero
   > >unless you want earlier transactions to be protected.
   >
   > Yes that's what mine is set to, i.e. zero.
   >
   > Where is this read only nonsense coming from then?
   >
   > Cliff
   >There are several reasons why transactions can be read-only.
   >The "Read-only" treshold is one.
   >If you have voided a transaction, that one will become read-only as
   well.
   >And if the transaction is the result of posting an invoice or bill
   using the
   >business features, it will equally be read-only.
   >There may be other reasons but I only know of these.
   >Solutions:
   >In the case of a voided transaction, unvoid it. In case of a
   transaction from
   >a bill or invoice (or employee voucher for that matter), use the
   business
   >features to unpost it again.
   Thanks Geert.  I thought you had the answer, I had 5 voided
   transactions 'buried' amoungst my data.   I reset them using the filter
   option and then saved the filter, but I still can't delete these a/cs I
   have.  The voided transactions have disappeared from the accounts in
   question, but still reappear when searching all accounts.  What's going
   on?

   Cliff
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Re: Manually entering historic records

2018-01-14 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Location of that preference must be OS specific. On Mac it is in File > 
Properties. This is a window of Book preferences. (as apposed to application 
preferences)

Setting it to “0” turns off the read-only function.

I don’t ever recall messing with this. I just happened to look it up after 
reading this thread and find it set this way.

I’ve never had a transaction complain that it was read only so I had no idea 
what the hoopla was about. (there’s at least one if not two other current 
threads on this general subject)

I have no intentions of changing this setting. I get that I should do 
correcting transactions as proper procedure, but I’m still working out my 
account scheme and revise and refine it from time to time and I’d hate to have 
to muck about with read-only issues. I also think correcting entries are for 
more formal systems with controls in place. For me, I only need a correcting 
entry if something turns out not to be correct. But if I entered something 
tentatively not quite sure it was right to begin with, I’ll just edit it when I 
confirm the proper values.

Certainly, if you’re still learning GnuCash and getting your feet wet with 
proper accounting or trying to get your imported books straight, turn this off 
by setting it to zero(“0”) and be done with it.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jan 14, 2018, at 8:31 AM, David Carlson  
> wrote:
> 
> Well, the red line read only option is not in release 2.6.11. I am
> surprised that it might not be defaulting to 0 (off) for some users.
> 
> There is another possibility.  The General Ledger view (under the Tools
> menu button) defaults to only show the last 30 days, which could make it
> appear that older transactions have disappeared and therefore are
> un-editable.  That is easily changed by clicking on View > Filter by..>
> Date.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 6:25 AM, Colin Law  wrote:
> 
>> On 14 January 2018 at 12:22, Colin Law  wrote:
>>> On 14 January 2018 at 09:59, Gregory L. Davis  wrote:
 Trevor:
 
 It sounds to me like you have to increase the number of days for "Read
>> only"
 transactions.  Try clicking on the file menu, then preferences. In the
 "Accounts" tab, increase "Day Threshold for Read-Only Transactions (red
 line):".  You can set the number of days to to something like 800 to
>> include
 all of 2016.
>>> 
>>> Is that a new feature? I don't see it in 2.6.17.
>>> I think it is Edit > Preferences rather than File, but I still don't
>> have it.
>> 
>> Sorry, you are right, it is File > Preferences, and it is there.
>> 
>> Colin
>> 
>>> 
>>> Colin
>>> 
 
 Hope this helps,
 
 greg
 
 
 
 
 I've been following the user group for years but still not started the
>> move
 from 20yrs of MSmoney... all looks too hard with an MSM file with
>> records
 back to 1997.
 I thought I could test the water with a new business and associated bank
 account that started in 2016.I've been managing this with a spreadsheet
>> as
 very few transactions.
 So I set up a business set of accounts and tried entering manually, the
 historic records... I'm immediately stumped. It does not let me enter
>> past
 dates. Clearly I'm going about this in the wrong way.Advice
 appreciated.Trevor
 
 
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Re: Double Entry of Informal "Loan" & Repayment

2018-01-14 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Keith,

Similar to what Mike and other’s described here, I use an asset account for 
this.

I have an Assets > Current Assets > Reimbursements account (with sub accounts 
for friends and family members whom I regularly share expenses with, usually 
for gifts) that I use in these cases.

An example is my siblings and I get one large gift for Christmas for each 
parent. One person does the paying and we all pay them back. If I do the 
paying, I make an entry like this:

Dr. Expenses > Gifts > Christmas
Dr. Assets > Current Assets > Reimbursements > Sibling 1
Dr. Assets > Current Assets > Reimbursements > Sibling 2
Dr. Assets > Current Assets > Reimbursements > Sibling etc. (I have 5!)
Cr. Assets > Cash

That way, over the course of time, I can see how much each sibling owes me for 
various gifts and track how and as they pay me back.

If one of THEM pays and I owe them for something, I’d record it like so:

Dr. Expenses > Gifts > Christmas (or whatever)
Cr. Assets > Current Assets > Reimbursements > Sibling(whomever paid)

Sometimes, we don’t even exchange cash, I just keep track of the back and forth 
and we only pay up if lots of time goes by or someone asks to settle up.  I’ll 
also use these accounts for other one-off occasions that don’t fit other 
purposes. (Like, “Hey can you spot me a beer and I’ll catch you next weekend?” 
sort of thing)

Now, if someone gives you money in ADVANCE, that is really a liability you 
should balance against the monetary asset, but I like to keep everything in one 
place, so I’d just credit the reimbursement account rather than add the 
liability layer to the situation. That way, my current assets don’t change on 
net. I don’t mind if such accounts have a credit balance as that just gives me 
an at-a-glance look as to if they owe me or I owe them. (since assets are 
normally a debit balance when positive, if they show a credit or negative 
balance, that means I owe someone - technically a liability, but this keeps me 
from having to maintain two accounts for essentially the same function)

Regards,
Adrien


> On Jan 14, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Mike or Penny Novack 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 1/14/2018 1:57 PM, Keith Lewis wrote:
>> I'm new to GC, longtime Quicken user. This is a double-entry accounting 
>> question rather than a GC question-hope that's okay in this mailing list. I 
>> made a purchase for a gift w credit card and used expenses:gifts to balance. 
>> Afterwards, a friend wanted to help with the gift and so paid me half with 
>> cash. I think I should deposit that cash into assets:wallet and balance with 
>> expenses:gift. But isnt the cash from my friend income? Does this sound 
>> right to you? Now imagine my friend had offered ahead of time to help pay 
>> for the gift, but didn't immediately have the cash. I think I could record 
>> the transactions as above or set up a "loan" account to track the "loan". 
>> IOW split liability:creditcard -> expense:gifts + liability:creditcard -> 
>> loan; then when he pays me back, loan -> asset:wallet.Thanks for your 
>> time,Keith
> No, not income but an adjustment to an expense. You (later) learned that you 
> were not paying for all of the gift but sharing the cost. So an adjustment 
> transaction: (when he pays you)
> debit  wallet
>   creditgift expense
>   description could explain -- say "friend is paying for half the gift"
> 
> Now let's examine the second case where the friend agreed to do this but 
> hadn't yet. In other words, you paid for the gift but he owes you for that 
> share of it. I am assuming that you mentioned credit card because that is HOW 
> you paid for the gift.
> 
> when gift purchased
> debitgift expense (for your share)
> debitowed by friend (that is an ASSET type account)
> creditcredit card (for the purchase price
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> when he pays you back that's a transfer between assets
> debit   wallet
> credit owed by friend   (that "asset" is now zero)
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