Re: [GNC-dev] WebKitGtk now defaults to Gtk4

[Robert Fewell]

Can I get clarification, is that migrating to Gtk4 or move away from
WebKitGtk ?

I suppose either change would be a major one so that would be version 6.0 I
assume.
I seem to recall there was a question on release cycles but can not find
where, so if 6.0 is that still 08/03/2026 ?

Regards,
Bob

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 at 17:15, john  wrote:

> WebKitGtk 2.43.1 was just released and one of its changes is that it's
> Gtk4 by default and one must specify a build option, -DGTK4=OFF, to use it
> with Gtk3. I asked on the webkitgtk mailing list if there's a schedule for
> dropping Gtk3 support. Carlos Garcia Campos replied "No, but it will take a
> while I'm afraid. Most of the WebKitGTK based
> applications are still GTK3, I think."
>
> So we don't have a firm deadline yet, but this is a warning that we need
> to get serious about migrating.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
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Re: [GNC-dev] WebKitGtk now defaults to Gtk4

[john]

 
WebKitGtk. When I wrote that I was thinking Gtk4, but that won't work on 
Windows because WebKitGtk 2.4, the last release before they ripped out all of 
the Windows support code, obviously doesn't support Gtk4.

I don't know that we have until 2026 because I don't know what are the other 
WebKitGtk based applications Carlos referred to so I don't know where they are 
on migrating. We know from experience that nobody's going to wait for us.

I couldn't find the earlier discussion about release cycles either. The options 
are to keep doing what we're doing or to switch to a more continuous model 
where stable is the only central branch and feature branches are merged in when 
they're ready. We'd switch to a year-based versioning similar to Ubuntu's; I 
proposed -n, e.g. 2024-1, 2024-2, etc. on the same quarterly schedule. 
There would be no beta releases; the few users willing to test could do so with 
nightly builds.

If we don't change to the continuous model, 6.0 would drop 29 March 2026, see 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Release_Schedule#Goals_for_6.0. 8 March is string 
freeze.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Nov 18, 2023, at 02:54, Robert Fewell <14ubo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Can I get clarification, is that migrating to Gtk4 or move away from 
> WebKitGtk ?
> 
> I suppose either change would be a major one so that would be version 6.0 I 
> assume.
> I seem to recall there was a question on release cycles but can not find 
> where, so if 6.0 is that still 08/03/2026 ?
> 
> Regards,
> Bob
> 
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 at 17:15, john  > wrote:
>> WebKitGtk 2.43.1 was just released and one of its changes is that it's Gtk4 
>> by default and one must specify a build option, -DGTK4=OFF, to use it with 
>> Gtk3. I asked on the webkitgtk mailing list if there's a schedule for 
>> dropping Gtk3 support. Carlos Garcia Campos replied "No, but it will take a 
>> while I'm afraid. Most of the WebKitGTK based
>> applications are still GTK3, I think."
>> 
>> So we don't have a firm deadline yet, but this is a warning that we need to 
>> get serious about migrating.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 
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Re: [GNC-dev] Windows Build VM

[john]

> On Nov 17, 2023, at 17:23, Manfred Usselmann  wrote:
> 
> Am 2023-11-17 05:58, schrieb john:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 16, 2023, at 14:25, Manfred Usselmann  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am 2023-11-16 18:41, schrieb john:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 16, 2023, at 03:50, Manfred Usselmann  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Am 2023-11-07 04:53, schrieb john:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2023, at 16:12, Manfred Usselmann  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> Am 2023-11-06 19:31, schrieb john:
>>> On Nov 6, 2023, at 05:11, Manfred Usselmann  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Am 2023-10-01 17:47, schrieb john:
>>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 06:00, Derek Atkins  wrote:
>>> On Sun, October 1, 2023 12:00 am, flywire wrote:
>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2023-April/106619.html
>>> John wrote:
>>> we don't have a Windows CI action, the nightly builds are done with the
>>> https://github.com/gnucash/GnuCash-on-windows powershell scripts on a
>>> Windows VM in Derek's basement.
>>> The nightly builds are those on 
>>> https://code.gnucash.org/builds/win32/stable/, right?
>>> Would it be possible to additonally provide a version there which includes 
>>> the Python bindings?
>>> No, there's no way to make that work with an installed package.
>>> Since there already exists a working build environment, I would hope that 
>>> it's not too much work?
>>> That depends on what you want to use for your Python. If you can use the 
>>> MSYS2 environment from Powershell (some MSYS2 things work directly in 
>>> Powershell, others need a Bash shell) then you can simply add 
>>> -DWITH_PYTHON=ON to the CMakeArgs in jhbuild and build it. Don't run the 
>>> installer, just add 
>>> c:\gcdev64\gnucash\stable\inst\lib\python3.11\site-packages to PYTHONPATH 
>>> and run your scripts.
>>>  
>>> After starting from scratch I'm now able to run a successful build 
>>> including the Python bindings.
>>>  
>>> After adding
>>> C:\Users\mu\Entwicklung\GnuCash\gcdev64\gnucash\stable\inst\lib\python3.11\site-packages
>>> to PYTHONPATH my script now starts and does no longer complain about the 
>>> gnucash imports.
>>>  
>>> But the script aborts and it looks like Python does not find 
>>> _gnucash_core_c.dll in this folder. :-(
>>>  
>>> I also added 
>>> C:\Users\mu\Entwicklung\GnuCash\gcdev64\gnucash\stable\inst\lib\python3.11\site-packages\gnucash
>>>  to the Windows Path, but this does not help.
>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>   File 
>>> "C:\Users\mu\Entwicklung\GnuCash\gcdev64\gnucash\stable\inst\lib\python3.11\site-packages\gnucash\gnucash_core_c.py",
>>>  line 14, in swig_import_helper
>>> return importlib.import_module(mname)
>>>^^
>>>   File 
>>> "C:\Users\mu\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python312\Lib\importlib\__init__.py",
>>>  line 90, in import_module
>>> return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level)
>>>
>>>   File "", line 1381, in _gcd_import
>>>   File "", line 1354, in _find_and_load
>>>   File "", line 1318, in 
>>> _find_and_load_unlocked
>>> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'gnucash._gnucash_core_c'
>>> 
>>> During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:
>>> 
>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>   File "C:\Users\mu\Documents\Nextcloud_Manfred\Manfred 
>>> Entwicklung\USS\Projects\GCToolbox\GCImport\gcimport.py", line 18, in 
>>> 
>>> from gnucash import Session, Account, Transaction, Split, GncNumeric, 
>>> GUID, GUIDString, gnucash_core_c
>>>   File 
>>> "C:\Users\mu\Entwicklung\GnuCash\gcdev64\gnucash\stable\inst\lib\python3.11\site-packages\gnucash\__init__.py",
>>>  line 6, in 
>>> from gnucash.gnucash_core import *
>>>   File 
>>> "C:\Users\mu\Entwicklung\GnuCash\gcdev64\gnucash\stable\inst\lib\python3.11\site-packages\gnucash\gnucash_core.py",
>>>  line 36, in 
>>> from gnucash import gnucash_core_c
>>>   File 
>>> "C:\Users\mu\Entwicklung\GnuCash\gcdev64\gnucash\stable\inst\lib\python3.11\site-packages\gnucash\gnucash_core_c.py",
>>>  line 17, in 
>>> _gnucash_core_c = swig_import_helper()
>>>   
>>>   File 
>>> "C:\Users\mu\Entwicklung\GnuCash\gcdev64\gnucash\stable\inst\lib\python3.11\site-packages\gnucash\gnucash_core_c.py",
>>>  line 16, in swig_import_helper
>>> return importlib.import_module('_gnucash_core_c')
>>>^^
>>>   File 
>>> "C:\Users\mu\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python312\Lib\importlib\__init__.py",
>>>  line 90, in import_module
>>> return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level)
>>>
>>> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named '_gnucash_core_c'
>>> 
>>> Process finished with exit code 1
>>> 
>>> Do you also have 
>>> C:\Users\mu\Entwicklung\GnuCash\gcdev64\gnucash\stable\inst\lib and 
>>> C:\Users\mu\Entwicklung\GnuCash\gcdev64\gnucash\stable\inst\lib\gnucash in 
>>> %PAT

Re: [GNC-dev] WebKitGtk now defaults to Gtk4

[john]

I spent some time this afternoon poking at webkit replacement. The options I 
found are:
* Keep using WebKitGtk
* Figure out how to wrap a native (meaning Apple AppKit or Microsoft) WebView 
in a GtkWidget
* Send the HTML/JS/CSS to the default browser. This will lose the links to 
GnuCash objects like transactions
* Configure a GtkTextView to understand HTML tags. This doesn't support charts, 
printing, or PDF export.
* Write reports directly to PDF. There are libraries out there but I didn't 
find any FLOSS ones that mention CSS styling or drawing charts in their feature 
sets.

Any other ideas?

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Nov 18, 2023, at 11:03, john  wrote:
> 
> 
> WebKitGtk. When I wrote that I was thinking Gtk4, but that won't work on 
> Windows because WebKitGtk 2.4, the last release before they ripped out all of 
> the Windows support code, obviously doesn't support Gtk4.
> 
> I don't know that we have until 2026 because I don't know what are the other 
> WebKitGtk based applications Carlos referred to so I don't know where they 
> are on migrating. We know from experience that nobody's going to wait for us.
> 
> I couldn't find the earlier discussion about release cycles either. The 
> options are to keep doing what we're doing or to switch to a more continuous 
> model where stable is the only central branch and feature branches are merged 
> in when they're ready. We'd switch to a year-based versioning similar to 
> Ubuntu's; I proposed -n, e.g. 2024-1, 2024-2, etc. on the same quarterly 
> schedule. There would be no beta releases; the few users willing to test 
> could do so with nightly builds.
> 
> If we don't change to the continuous model, 6.0 would drop 29 March 2026, see 
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Release_Schedule#Goals_for_6.0. 8 March is 
> string freeze.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 02:54, Robert Fewell <14ubo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Can I get clarification, is that migrating to Gtk4 or move away from 
>> WebKitGtk ?
>> 
>> I suppose either change would be a major one so that would be version 6.0 I 
>> assume.
>> I seem to recall there was a question on release cycles but can not find 
>> where, so if 6.0 is that still 08/03/2026 ?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Bob
>> 
>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 at 17:15, john > > wrote:
>>> WebKitGtk 2.43.1 was just released and one of its changes is that it's Gtk4 
>>> by default and one must specify a build option, -DGTK4=OFF, to use it with 
>>> Gtk3. I asked on the webkitgtk mailing list if there's a schedule for 
>>> dropping Gtk3 support. Carlos Garcia Campos replied "No, but it will take a 
>>> while I'm afraid. Most of the WebKitGTK based
>>> applications are still GTK3, I think."
>>> 
>>> So we don't have a firm deadline yet, but this is a warning that we need to 
>>> get serious about migrating.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> John Ralls
>>> 
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