Power settings ui freeze break request

2011-09-01 Thread Allan Day
Hi all,

The current power panel settings have a few usability issues that it
would be great to have fixed for 3.2. I have recently been working on
a new design for these that could be implemented in the next couple of
days (ie. before the string freeze). The relevant bug:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657916

The new design has been reviewed by several members of the design
team. I've checked the user documentation and, from what I can tell,
these changes will not have much impact there.

Thanks,

Allan
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Re: Power settings ui freeze break request

2011-09-01 Thread Shaun McCance
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 12:12 +0100, Allan Day wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> The current power panel settings have a few usability issues that it
> would be great to have fixed for 3.2. I have recently been working on
> a new design for these that could be implemented in the next couple of
> days (ie. before the string freeze). The relevant bug:
> 
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657916
> 
> The new design has been reviewed by several members of the design
> team. I've checked the user documentation and, from what I can tell,
> these changes will not have much impact there.

The basic UI reshuffling will affect about a dozen pages. Maybe
a few more from the removal of what to do when the power and
sleep buttons are pressed, but that change already went in on
master (after the announcement period, without an announcement).

I'm a bit more concerned about this from the bug:

  Uses non-recommended terminology, such as 'sleep' (should be
  'suspend') and 'computer' (doesn't work for tablets)."

We've been bouncing around on sleep/suspend in the help, mostly
because the UI bounces around. I'm happy to fix that if we've
decided suspend is the word. That's a few more pages.

But "computer"? grep tells me 110 pages use that word. That's
just in gnome-help. Who decided that's not recommended? What
are we supposed to use instead? System? Device? Thingamajig?
And how are tablets not computers?

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Re: Power settings ui freeze break request

2011-09-01 Thread Allan Day
Hey Shaun,

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Shaun McCance  wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 12:12 +0100, Allan Day wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The current power panel settings have a few usability issues that it
>> would be great to have fixed for 3.2. I have recently been working on
>> a new design for these that could be implemented in the next couple of
>> days (ie. before the string freeze). The relevant bug:
>>
>> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657916
>>
>> The new design has been reviewed by several members of the design
>> team. I've checked the user documentation and, from what I can tell,
>> these changes will not have much impact there.
>
> The basic UI reshuffling will affect about a dozen pages.

Just to be clear, the request is just to change one set of controls -
it is to remove two check boxes and to rearrange two comboboxes. The
critical power option will be unaffected, as will the status part of
the panel (the bit that tells you about battery charge, etc).

...

> I'm a bit more concerned about this from the bug:
>
>  Uses non-recommended terminology, such as 'sleep' (should be
>  'suspend') and 'computer' (doesn't work for tablets)."
>
> We've been bouncing around on sleep/suspend in the help, mostly
> because the UI bounces around. I'm happy to fix that if we've
> decided suspend is the word. That's a few more pages.

Ensuring consistent use of 'suspend' is one goal here, although the UI
changes are not dependent on that change.

> But "computer"? grep tells me 110 pages use that word. That's
> just in gnome-help. Who decided that's not recommended? What
> are we supposed to use instead? System? Device? Thingamajig?

Again, this isn't essential to the UI break.

The system information panel uses the term 'Device'. I try to avoid
referring to the machine itself in my UI design work.

> And how are tablets not computers?

I can certainly imagine some tablets being thought of as mobile
devices in the same vein as mobile phones. I see the word 'computer'
as becoming less relevant in general; it doesn't seem to tally with
machines that are always on, mobile and cloud enabled. That's a
discussion for another time though, I suspect. ;)

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Re: Power settings ui freeze break request

2011-09-01 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 09:01 -0400, Shaun McCance wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 12:12 +0100, Allan Day wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > The current power panel settings have a few usability issues that it
> > would be great to have fixed for 3.2. I have recently been working on
> > a new design for these that could be implemented in the next couple of
> > days (ie. before the string freeze). The relevant bug:
> > 
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657916
> > 
> > The new design has been reviewed by several members of the design
> > team. I've checked the user documentation and, from what I can tell,
> > these changes will not have much impact there.
> 
> The basic UI reshuffling will affect about a dozen pages. Maybe
> a few more from the removal of what to do when the power and
> sleep buttons are pressed, but that change already went in on
> master (after the announcement period, without an announcement).

Well, holidays, plus Desktop Summit, plus presentation on behalf of the
GNOME Foundation kind of eats into my maintainership time.

> I'm a bit more concerned about this from the bug:
> 
>   Uses non-recommended terminology, such as 'sleep' (should be
>   'suspend') and 'computer' (doesn't work for tablets)."
> 
> We've been bouncing around on sleep/suspend in the help, mostly
> because the UI bounces around. I'm happy to fix that if we've
> decided suspend is the word. That's a few more pages.
> 
> But "computer"? grep tells me 110 pages use that word. That's
> just in gnome-help. Who decided that's not recommended? What
> are we supposed to use instead? System? Device? Thingamajig?
> And how are tablets not computers?

FWIW, I think that computer is just fine. At least it's not something
that I'd want to change _now_ for GNOME 3.2.

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Re: UI freeze exception request: Empathy new experimental call UI

2011-09-01 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le mercredi 31 août 2011 à 10:50 -0400, Colin Walters a écrit :
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 4:53 AM, Guillaume Desmottes  
> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > As you may know, the Empathy team is working on a new re-designed call
> > UI: http://blog.desmottes.be/post/2011/08/26/Shiny-new-UI-in-Empathy-3.2
> >
> > This UI is not used by default and need to be explicitly enabled when
> > building
> 
> Is there a reason this development isn't done in a branch?  Doing so would 
> fix:

That's an option indeed, but we usually prefer to work directly on
releasable branches as it makes our life easier (as developers) and for
people willing to test the new UI (it's built in Debian experimental for
example).


G.


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Re: Power settings ui freeze break request

2011-09-01 Thread Allan Day
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Shaun McCance  wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 12:12 +0100, Allan Day wrote:
...
>> The new design has been reviewed by several members of the design
>> team. I've checked the user documentation and, from what I can tell,
>> these changes will not have much impact there.
>
> The basic UI reshuffling will affect about a dozen pages. Maybe
> a few more from the removal of what to do when the power and
> sleep buttons are pressed, but that change already went in on
> master (after the announcement period, without an announcement).
...

These are the changes the break request is for:

http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=195390

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Re: Power settings ui freeze break request

2011-09-01 Thread Shaun McCance
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 15:41 +0100, Allan Day wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Shaun McCance  wrote:
> > On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 12:12 +0100, Allan Day wrote:
> ...
> >> The new design has been reviewed by several members of the design
> >> team. I've checked the user documentation and, from what I can tell,
> >> these changes will not have much impact there.
> >
> > The basic UI reshuffling will affect about a dozen pages. Maybe
> > a few more from the removal of what to do when the power and
> > sleep buttons are pressed, but that change already went in on
> > master (after the announcement period, without an announcement).
> ...
> 
> These are the changes the break request is for:
> 
> http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=195390

No objections for the docs, provided the end result matches
these mockups (give or take some pixels). If it's different,
please provide screenshots.

Thanks,
Shaun


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