Re: kB, MB or KiB, MiB

2007-05-29 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 14:28 +0200, Benoît Dejean wrote:

> I'm totally for it.
> 
> They were bugs against gnome-vfs but they were closed WONTFIX IIRC.
> 
> So if gnome-vfs is not going to be fix, you can :
> - fix each program (that's what i did
> http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-system-monitor/branches/gnome-2-14/src/util.c?r1=1159&r2=1205
>  )
> - fix the translation if you know for sure that kB/MB/GB are misused.

Since when do the translators do such decisions on their own? The only
reasonable thing to do at this point is to bring up the question on
desktop-devel-list and wait for a decision.


Sven


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Re: kB, MB or KiB, MiB

2007-05-29 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 14:28 +0200, Benoît Dejean wrote:

> So if gnome-vfs is not going to be fix, you can :
> - fix each program (that's what i did
> http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-system-monitor/branches/gnome-2-14/src/util.c?r1=1159&r2=1205
>  )

I would even rate that patch as wrong. Users should not be confronted
with binary prefixes. Doing so is considered legacy behavior. So this
patch should divide by multiples of thousands and use kB, MB and GB.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefixes#Usage_notes

There are certainly some cases where binary prefixes are not avoidable
and perhaps it would be a good idea to use the correct symbols then. But
I think it would be wrong to enforce binary prefixes on the GNOME users
when it comes to file sizes.

But seriously, this discussion should be taken elsewhere.


Sven


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Re: kB, MB or KiB, MiB

2007-05-29 Thread Daniel Nylander
Sven Neumann skrev:

> Since when do the translators do such decisions on their own? The only
> reasonable thing to do at this point is to bring up the question on
> desktop-devel-list and wait for a decision.

You are totally correct.

If we are going to use IEEE 1541, that should be on a global scale.
Yes, that means the whole GNOME, no point in letting some applications
use it. That would just confuse people.

Can someone pipe the question to desktop-devel?

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Re: kB, MB or KiB, MiB

2007-05-29 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 14:46 -0400, Germán Poó Caamaño wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 19:34 +0200, Sven Neumann wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 19:17 +0200, Daniel Nylander wrote:
> > 
> > > You are correct, it's more correct but maybe not appropriate.
> > > As I translator, I have started to notice that more and more
> > > applications start to use this new convention. For the beginning I was a
> > > bit negative but started to like it more and more.
> > 
> > I think consistency is most important here. So it would probably be a
> > good idea to bring this up on desktop-devel-list. If an agreement can be
> > reached that applications should use the IEEE_1541 symbols, then it
> > would be appropriate to file bug reports for this.
> 
> I remember it was discussed some years ago in gnome-network list[1], but
> documentation team had a recommendation written by that days[2].
> 
> Anyway, the situation has changed since then.  I agree we should use
> IEEE 1541.
> 
> [1]
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-network-list/2003-December/msg00011.html
> [2]
> http://web.archive.org/web/20040603162403/http://developer.gnome.org/documents/style-guide/x14800.html

1) The Style Guide is not infallible.  That section probably predates
IEEE 1541, or at least predates anybody in Gnome caring about it.  So
we can consider that information outdated and amend it.

2) That section doesn't actually specify what "kilo" means.  So while
it does say "48 Kilobit" and "48 Kb" (should be "kb", grr), it notably
does not say to abuse "kilo" to mean 1024.  It could be interpreted as
saying that we should always present multiples in proper SI multiples.

3) The abbreviations will never be widely used or known if nobody takes
the initiative to use them.

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Re: kB, MB or KiB, MiB

2007-05-29 Thread Jorge González González
> 3) The abbreviations will never be widely used or known if nobody takes
> the initiative to use them.
We have been using them at the the Spanish GTP at least since I joined, in 2004.
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String additions to 'rhythmbox.RHYTHMBOX-0_10'

2007-05-29 Thread Gnome Status Pages
This is an automatic notification from status generation scripts on:
http://l10n.gnome.org/.

There have been following string additions to module 'rhythmbox.RHYTHMBOX-0_10':

+ "Example Path:"

Note that this doesn't directly indicate a string freeze break, but it
might be worth investigating.
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