[gentoo-user] Re: When is a disk not a disk?
On 02/08/2010 02:27 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: Hello again List, $ sudo fdisk -l Unable to seek on /dev/sda Not sure what's going on, but you might want to post more info so that others might have an idea about what's wrong. First, clean dmesg: sudo dmesg -c > /dev/null Then try fdisk again: /sbin/fdisk -l (No need to be root for fdisk -l.) Then post the output of: dmesg (If there's any output.) And finally, post the output of: mount cat /proc/partitions
[gentoo-user] Re: When is a disk not a disk?
On 02/08/2010 02:27 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: Hello again List, $ sudo fdisk -l Unable to seek on /dev/sda You said that Google didn't help, but still, I've found some info about it. In short, I've found two things: a) "cfdisk" might work while "fdisk" does not. b) You have a corrupted partition table that you can try to repair with the "testdisk" tool (after you make a full backup of your disk.) Another thing: are you using busybox here or the normal version of fdisk? (Busybox comes with its own fdisk.)
[gentoo-user] Re: emerge older version
On 02/09/2010 06:45 PM, Laurent Kappler wrote: Hi, I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is 6.5.7. How could I do that?? You can't, since the lowest version in portage is 6.5.2.9: $ eix imagemagick [I] media-gfx/imagemagick Available versions: 6.5.2.9!u (~)6.5.4.10!u 6.5.7.0!u (~)6.5.8.8!u
[gentoo-user] Re: Slow list?
On 02/09/2010 09:32 PM, Alex Schuster wrote: Wow, seven mostly similar answers. Is the list becoming slow? When I posted about an hour after the question was posted, there were no answers yet. Let's see how long this post takes to arrive. Usually it's just a matter of a few minutes. I noticed that too; I thought it's GMane's fault (I'm posting through their NNTP server.)
[gentoo-user] Re: Ramifications of memtest86. Got it!
On 02/12/2010 09:25 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Dale, On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 08:27:01AM -0600, Dale wrote: Where the error is could depend on a single transistor that is maybe not as sensitive as the others. It's sort of like a chain. It's only as strong as its weakest link. It could be that whatever is going wrong could be right on the edge of others not working either. The one that is failing is just the first if it is a power problem. That's where the power problem thought comes from. Have you had a look here for well tested power supplies? That said, it could be a lot of things. It could be a bad chip on the mobo, a piece of dust in the wrong place or any number of other things. It's finding it that is so much fun. The shop who sold me the components suggested running memtest86 with just one RAM stick at a time. The correct procedure is to test just one stick in at least two different slots. This is to ensure that it's not the mainboard at fault (like a faulty RAM slot.)
[gentoo-user] Re: Can't hear anything. :-(
On 02/17/2010 11:15 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 04:20:53PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: [...] 1) IMO Alsa has never run so well when drivers are compiled into the kernel. I do a lot of audio in Linux and have always had the best results using modules. I would strongly suggest you give it a try... Oh deity! I was hoping not to have to do this. I've never used modules before, since they are (or were) an unnecessary complication, and might introduce security risks. Maybe I'll have to read up on this. You probably won't need modules. Module configuration options can usually be replaced by kernel options in Grub.
[gentoo-user] Re: weather forecast plasmoid refuses to find Perth in Australia as a location
On 02/18/2010 10:09 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 18 February 2010 08:47:47 ubiquitous1980 wrote: I am having issues using the weather forecast plasmoid in KDE 4.3. It will not allow me to show the weather for Perth in Australia using the BBC or other sources. As someone else posted yesterday, upgrade to 4.4 If the services supported by KDE don't find your location, you might also want to install kde-misc/yawp. It will install two additional weather services, AccuWeather and Google Weather Service, neither of which are offered by KDE. Weather info for my location for example is only offered by AccuWeather.
[gentoo-user] Re: Sansa Clip+
On 02/19/2010 01:34 AM, sean wrote: Hello All, My son just purchased a Sansa Clip+ and from what I read it is supposed to be accessible in Linux, it would look like a USB drive for drag and drop. Anyway, I updated the firmware to the latest, and set the USB mode on the Clip+ to MSC. I am wondering if I need to setup support in the kernel, or something else? Any tips anyone? I have a Sansa Fuze (in MSC mode) and I can confirm it's working as long as I have "USB Mass Storage" support enabled in the kernel and my user is in the "usb" and "plugdev" groups. If that won't work, please do the following dmesg -c (as root) Now plug the device in and wait for about 10 seconds. Then: dmesg and post the output.
[gentoo-user] Re: Can't see /dev/hda1,2,3 but I know they exist...
On 02/19/2010 10:07 AM, James Homuth wrote: *From:* Hung Dang [mailto:hungp...@gmail.com] *Sent:* February 19, 2010 1:55 AM *To:* gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org *Subject:* Re: [gentoo-user] Can't see /dev/hda1,2,3 but I know they exist... On 02/18/10 22:49, James Homuth wrote: I performed a bit of an update on my laptop a day or two ago, and after reboot, I lost the ability to do anything with /dev/hda*. I currently have 0 swap space, and according to stat, ls etc, they don't exist. But, booting to an install CD I burned for diagnostic purposes, it sees them just fine. Also, and this is the strange part. It boots no problem, so the OS is able to mount at least /dev/hda3, even though from the command line I'm not seeing it. I'm probably missing something completely dead obvious (it's after midnight here and all), and Google's turning up nothing, so if someone could kindly slap me in the face with it, that'd be appreciated. Thanks either way for whatever help comes my way. How about /dev/sda1,2,3? There is no /dev/sda*, either. First thing I checked. Hello. Please quote correctly when you reply, like everybody else. You can see the partitions listed in the /proc/partitions file.
[gentoo-user] MySQL 5.1 and Amarok
It's not possible to use Amarok with the "embedded" USE flag with the newly released MySQL 5.1. Why is that? Can we expect it to work at some point?
[gentoo-user] Re: kde4 panelbar recovery
On 02/22/2010 09:03 PM, James wrote: Stefano Crocco alice.it> writes: Right click on the desktop and choose "add panel". This should give you an empty panel. To fill it with widgets, click on the plasma symbol at right end of the panel, choose "add widgets" and insert the widgets you want. I hope this helps This does not restore the previous panel. Any ideas on that? If not possible to restore the previous panel, how to move a new one to the bottom? With the mouse. You might want to delete your ~/.kde4 folder instead to get back at the defaults. Keep the stuff you want though (like settings for other programs, like Amarok, Kopete, etc.)
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 02/23/2010 07:42 AM, Stroller wrote: Some comments were made recently about KDE4, where it was advised "don't try using just Kmail under a different window manager - use the whole KDE environment, but not single apps. Use something else instead of Kmail". I kept my gob somewhat shut at that time, because I've been using Knode for a long time on my headless server. I ssh in from my Mac and open Knode in X11. I guess Usenet isn't so popular these days, and I have never been able to find a Mac native client that I'm happy with. I like Knode's simple 3-pane layout. Knode has improved visually with the KDE4 release, but the much debated KDE4 dependencies thing. It has only just occurred to me today to ask if there's an alternative that looks & acts just the same, but which isn't part of the whole KDE4 environment. Any suggestions? I'm on KDE4 but I use Thunderbird for both Usenet (including this mailing list through GMane's "mailing-list-to-Usenet" interface) and email. I like the simplicity and using only one app for both.
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 02/23/2010 12:26 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:11:40 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I'm on KDE4 but I use Thunderbird for both Usenet (including this mailing list through GMane's "mailing-list-to-Usenet" interface) and email. I like the simplicity and using only one app for both. Why are you passing the mail through a conversion gateway only to read it in a mail client? Wouldn't subscribing directly be even more simple? No, because then I would get all the mail in my inbox and I would be the one responsible for filtering it; a total waste on bandwidth and my time. GMane does that for me instead. I am currently "subscribed" to 31 mailing lists on GMane. I don't even want to imagine what would happen if I would receive email from all of them (and 90% of the posts would not interest me anyway, so why recieve them in the first place?) It's just not practical. A Usenet-like front-end is the perfect solution here; a mailing list is very similar to a Usenet newsgroup and that's why this approach is the most practical one. And even if I were subscribed to only one list, it would still be the best way to access it; even though the traffic is much lower when compared to 31 lists, but it's still high enough to get annoying with something landing on your inbox every 10 minutes or so, even stuff you don't intend to read. With Usenet, you only get what you're interested in, and you get it in a way that is very easy to access and browse though.
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 02/23/2010 01:39 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/23/2010 12:26 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:11:40 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I'm on KDE4 but I use Thunderbird for both Usenet (including this mailing list through GMane's "mailing-list-to-Usenet" interface) and email. I like the simplicity and using only one app for both. Why are you passing the mail through a conversion gateway only to read it in a mail client? Wouldn't subscribing directly be even more simple? No, because then I would get all the mail in my inbox and I would be the one responsible for filtering it; a total waste on bandwidth and my time. GMane does that for me instead. Just to make my point more clear: http://i50.tinypic.com/15ow2g8.png All of these under the "GMane" groups are mailing lists, but they appear just like Usenet newsgroups. I can't imagine any easier way to easily deal with 30+ mailing list subscriptions.
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 02/23/2010 03:08 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:39:48 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I am currently "subscribed" to 31 mailing lists on GMane. I don't even want to imagine what would happen if I would receive email from all of them (and 90% of the posts would not interest me anyway, so why recieve them in the first place?) It's just not practical. A Usenet-like front-end is the perfect solution here; a mailing list is very similar to a Usenet newsgroup and that's why this approach is the most practical one. And even if I were subscribed to only one list, it would still be the best way to access it; even though the traffic is much lower when compared to 31 lists, but it's still high enough to get annoying with something landing on your inbox every 10 minutes or so, even stuff you don't intend to read. With Usenet, you only get what you're interested in, and you get it in a way that is very easy to access and browse though. With the downside being that the process is slower, as you have to download each message or thread as you want to read it. Contrast this with having email delivered whether you are reading it or not and being filtered at the moment of arrival so it is instantly available, sorted into folders, when you start up your client. However, this convenience uses more bandwidth, so if that is worth more to you than your time, using Usenet for selective reading does make sense. No, each message gets downloaded in under 1 second; it immediately appears when you click on it. It's blindingly fast. No surprise though, since it's just text. However, downloading thousands of messages per day that I don't intent to read is a waste of bandwidth. It's not so much about time, it's about volume. You and I do the same thing in the end. The difference is that you waste bandwidth, need to set up filters every time you subscribe to a new list, need to unsubscribe when you don't want to receive email anymore, need hard disk space to store all the downloaded messages, don't have access to messages from the time you weren't subscribed yet, and probably more I can't think of right now. So in the end, we end up doing the same thing, by I do it in a saner way that was designed to do exactly that. :) It appears it only has pros and no cons, so I don't see a reason to use email instead.
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 02/23/2010 05:15 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:59:33 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: You and I do the same thing in the end. The difference is that you waste bandwidth, need to set up filters every time you subscribe to a new list Which takes about ten seconds usually. 10 is more than 0 :D , need to unsubscribe when you don't want to receive email anymore, Which takes about half that time, and both of these are infrequent occurrences. For lists that I had only a transient interest in, I would look at usenet versions. And when later you want to subscribe again... need hard disk space to store all the downloaded messages, don't have access to messages from the time you weren't subscribed yet, No, but I do have access to Google :) Yes, but this requires to go to Google. I have the messages right there in front of me. So in the end, we end up doing the same thing, by I do it in a saner way that was designed to do exactly that. :) No, you do it in a different way that suits your needs. That doesn't make you right and people with other needs wrong. It just illustrates the benefits of choice. I did not insult your choice, why assume that you know better than me what I need? No, that wasn't my intention. All I'm saying in the end is that people stick to the ways they are used to do their tasks. There might be better options out there, but it requires getting used to those new options so they usually don't bother. I just though I'd mention the stuff here so people actually know the option exists and has saved me from quite some annoyances I had to deal with in the past. It appears it only has pros and no cons, so I don't see a reason to use email instead. How do you read messages without an Internet connection? Everything has pros and cons. You got me with that one :) Just because I don't have this problem doesn't mean no else does either.
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 02/23/2010 07:42 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: [...] You got me with that one :) Just because I don't have this problem doesn't mean no else does either. You are permanently wired to the Internet? Don't you ever go out? :P I'm referring to the machine. It's always connected. Broadband flatrate ftw :P There's no point in ever disconnecting it.
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it.
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? Don't know, never happened here.
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 02/24/2010 04:28 PM, Crístian Viana wrote: there was a recent discussion about this on this mailing list: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/msg_13c6d27e4216e91ed3c4800fe42b8e95.xml it seems only Kmail needs that USE flag. I also haven't tried this on my system. Question is: will enabling that USE flag only for kdelibs result in KDE in general using a "semantic desktop?"
[gentoo-user] Re: pdf viewing suggestions?
On 02/24/2010 06:01 PM, daid kahl wrote: Hello all, Simple question: Can you please explain your pdf viewer of choice (and any configs or 'hacks' I should do)? I can't find anything I like. I've tried xpdf, epdfview, evince, kpdf, and acroread. As I am trying to remove kdelibs from my system to reduce overhead, I'm reluctant to go for okular, and although I had some brief experience with it, I forget my results (still trying to replace kaffeine..that's another post maybe for later once I'm done testing). I had gs programs of sorts for awhile, and I forget the results, other than to say the pdf parts aren't on my machine anymore for better or worse. There's also Foxit Reader. You can find it in the "rion" overlay.
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 02/24/2010 06:03 PM, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Am Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2010 15:12:58 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? Don't know, never happened here. Just tried it, and the following apps are being recompiled right now: [ebuild R ] kde-base/pykde4-4.3.5-r1 USE="-semantic-desktop*" [ebuild R ] kde-base/gwenview-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*" [ebuild R ] kde-base/akonadi-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*" [ebuild R ] net-wireless/kbluetooth-0.4.2 USE="-semantic-desktop*" [ebuild R ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*" [ebuild R ] kde-base/dolphin-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*" [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*" [ebuild R ] kde-base/kmail-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*" [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*" Let's see if it works. I seem to recall that I had to enable this for some updates recently. Something wouldn't compile without the USE flag being set. I don't think I need the thing either so if this works now, I may change mine and try it too. Also, I use the kde-meta package which may make a difference. KMail from KDE 4.4 needs it. KMail from KDE 4.3 doesn't.
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 02/24/2010 06:47 PM, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On 02/24/2010 06:03 PM, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Am Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2010 15:12:58 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? Don't know, never happened here. Just tried it, and the following apps are being recompiled right now: [ebuild R ] kde-base/pykde4-4.3.5-r1 USE="-semantic-desktop*" [ebuild R ] kde-base/gwenview-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*" [ebuild R ] kde-base/akonadi-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*" [ebuild R ] net-wireless/kbluetooth-0.4.2 USE="-semantic-desktop*" [ebuild R ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*" [ebuild R ] kde-base/dolphin-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*" [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*" [ebuild R ] kde-base/kmail-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*" [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*" Let's see if it works. I seem to recall that I had to enable this for some updates recently. Something wouldn't compile without the USE flag being set. I don't think I need the thing either so if this works now, I may change mine and try it too. Also, I use the kde-meta package which may make a difference. KMail from KDE 4.4 needs it. KMail from KDE 4.3 doesn't. Since kde-meta would pull in Kmail, that could be the problem for me. If you folks are doing yours the manual way, you may can get away with it. No, no manual way here. I use meta packages too. Just not kde-meta; that's the "includes-all-mega-duper-everything-mother-of-all-meta-packages" package. Instead I use stuff like kdeartwork-meta, kdebase-meta, kdebase-runtime-meta, etc. Emerging the actual packages all by hand would be too tedious. I still need a few, but really just a few (and it's obvious which ones; for example if you have the Kate editor missing in KDE, you know you need to emerge kde-base/kate.)
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn off the services after installing them. Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment, he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk space. How do you know what he needs? He probably wants KDE but without the whole "Semantic Desktop" thingy.
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 02/24/2010 07:08 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn off the services after installing them. Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment, he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk space. How do you know what he needs? He probably wants KDE but without the whole "Semantic Desktop" thingy. he wrote: Thanks. My having research work with a few hundred thousand small files and a couple of terrabytes of storage and backups could account for the size. Some occasional sluggishness too. It makes no sense to index any of this, so ditching it feels good. and semantic-desktop was developed to help people with such workloads. I don't understand your reply or what it answers.
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 02/24/2010 07:57 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 07:08 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation toolchains or in a browser. The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from running out of disk space. A little research showed that an odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near full before. Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge -a --depclean. That should do it. Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set? For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn off the services after installing them. Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment, he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk space. How do you know what he needs? He probably wants KDE but without the whole "Semantic Desktop" thingy. he wrote: Thanks. My having research work with a few hundred thousand small files and a couple of terrabytes of storage and backups could account for the size. Some occasional sluggishness too. It makes no sense to index any of this, so ditching it feels good. and semantic-desktop was developed to help people with such workloads. I don't understand your reply or what it answers. because you haven't read the thread before you wrote your email? Yeah, I'm the one who suggested the OP needs semantic desktop even though he clearly stated he doesn't: "It makes no sense to index any of this, so ditching it feels good." Perhaps it's a language barrier. I'll state it in simpler words: The OP does not want to index any of his files. He wants to disable that functionality. He has not indicated that he wants to switch from KDE to something else. OK, another poster then showed up and suggested that he needs something other than KDE. That didn't make any sense since the OP is using KDE and just wants the indexing stuff gone, which is what I pointed out. Then you come along with the statement as a reply to it: "and semantic-desktop was developed to help people with such workloads." which doesn't make any sense with the flow of the discussion. Semantic desktop was invented for that, but the OP clearly stated he doesn't want it. I am not the one who doesn't read the thread before writing my email.
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE? Get me out of here!
On 02/24/2010 08:12 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 2/24/2010 11:59 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: How do you know what he needs? He probably wants KDE but without the whole "Semantic Desktop" thingy. Well, mostly based on him telling us what he needs, and that he doesn't really "want" KDE: On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia. I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple desktops. it appears that all he needs is a panel and a pager, which any decent window manager will have. Therefore, if KDE is using up more resources than he feels warranted, perhaps it's time to switch. I have semantic desktop disabled and KDE offers a hell of a lot more than just a panel and a pager.
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 02/25/2010 11:45 PM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: Am Dienstag 23 Februar 2010 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 02/23/2010 01:39 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/23/2010 12:26 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:11:40 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I'm on KDE4 but I use Thunderbird for both Usenet (including this mailing list through GMane's "mailing-list-to-Usenet" interface) and email. I like the simplicity and using only one app for both. Why are you passing the mail through a conversion gateway only to read it in a mail client? Wouldn't subscribing directly be even more simple? No, because then I would get all the mail in my inbox and I would be the one responsible for filtering it; a total waste on bandwidth and my time. GMane does that for me instead. Just to make my point more clear: http://i50.tinypic.com/15ow2g8.png OT: It occured to me that many, including you, have this awfully fuzzy font rendering. Aren’t you bothered by that? (Assuming you’re on a TFT). When I look at your image, my view starts floating on a plane in front of the screen. See http://i47.tinypic.com/1zxsbok.png No, actually I find it much better then the one in your screenshot. Much easier to read for me. I guess this is due to differences in our monitor's DPI. I can image that lower DPI monitors must show it pretty "zoomed-in" and therefore blurry. The fonts in your screenshot actually look like small, thin lines instead of proper fonts here. As you can see, I’m also using a mail client for those lists. At the beginning, I used my Uni’s news server, but at some point, I couldn’t post to this list anymore through NNTP. So I had to switch to mail interface. But even though local archiving works better with mails (articles are gone from the news server after a short while), I’d prefer the NNTP way though, it’s easier to view the list filtered (e.g. no ignored threads). For what it's worth, GMane's NNTP server never deletes messages. In the case of gentoo-user, everything's still there; the oldest posts date back to 2002.
[gentoo-user] Re: libtool 2.x upgrade
On 02/26/2010 03:15 AM, bn wrote: Hi, I have a stable x86 system that requires still a bit of updating, among those libtool and gcc. Since I need the system to be usable *now* for work reasons, I don't feel like updating gcc and rebuilding it all with an emerge -e system / emerge -e world, but more and more packages want to upgrade to libtool 2.x Is it safe to upgrade libtool without (1)rebuilding gcc too and (2)rebuilding system/world? I don't know, but for this type of scenario you are better off building binary packages of everything that need to be updated without actually installing any of it on the machine. At the end, when all binaries have been created by portage, you can install them in one go at a convenient point. Look up the "--buildpkgonly" option of emerge for this.
[gentoo-user] Re: Removing KDE 3.5? Or reason to keep it around?
On 02/26/2010 06:06 AM, BRM wrote: I am quite happy with KDE4 - presently using KDE 4.3.5. I still have KDE 3.5.10 installed, and am wondering how much longer I need to keep it around...I probably use all KDE4 apps, though there might be a few here or there that I use on a rare occasion that are still KDE3 based...may be...and no, I don't plan on using KDE Sunset Overlay[1] Any how...I'm wondering what the best method to remove KDE3.5 safely is: 1) Just leave it and may be it'll just get removed? 2) Found this entry on removing it http://linuxized.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-to-unmerge-kde-3-packages-if-their.html But nothing registers as a 'dup' even though qlist does show a lot of KDE 3.5.10 packages installed. (Yeah, I'd need to modify the line to ensure it doesn't remove KDE 4.3.5). 3) Gentoo KDE4 guide suggests a method, but it seems to be more related to removing KDE entirely... http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml If you keep your world file (/var/lib/portage/world) tidy, simply deleting all lines with KDE3 packages and running emerge -a --depclean will take care of it. You *do* keep your world file tidy, don't you? :P
[gentoo-user] Re: Removing KDE 3.5? Or reason to keep it around?
On 02/26/2010 06:10 PM, BRM wrote: [...] From: Alex Schuster That's the only issue. My only concern is software (e.g. KDevelop) that may not have been updated to KDE4 yet. (Not a fan of KDevelop3; waiting to see how KDevelop4 is going to shape up.) The KDE4 version is in the kde overlay, but I do not know if it is usable already. For now, I'll wait. I mostly use vim; and having done a lot of Windows stuff for work I am familiar with VS. While there are a lot of things I don't like about VS, nothing else seems to quite compare. KDevelop3 at least drove me nuts; and Eclipse just doesn't do well when you're not programming in Java - I have yet to get CDT to work, though I've mostly tried on Windows. QtCreator seems to be on the right track, though it's still quite early. I'm interested to see how KDevelop4 is going to turn out, but I'll certainly wait for it to reach the mainline tree. The KDevelop 4 is actually in Portage (dev-util/kdevelop:4), not only in the kde overlay. I have both Kdev4 and Qt Creator installed. I ended up going with Creator, but I'm still keeping an eye on Kdev4.
[gentoo-user] KDE4 applications are spamming stderr to death
Is it normal that every KDE (4.4.0) application is generating an awful
lot of debug messages on stderr? When I start one from the terminal (be
it Dolphin, Konqueror or whatever) the output generated is pretty much
gigantic. It's stuff like this:
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::font: Painter not active
QPainter::font: Painter not active
QPainter::setFont: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::font: Painter not active
konqueror(12426)/kio (Slave) KIO::Slave::createSlave: createSlave
"file" for KUrl("file:///usr/share/apps/kdeui/about/box-top-
middle.png")
konqueror(12426)/kio (KIOConnection)
KIO::ConnectionServer::listenForRemote: Listening on "local:/tmp
/ksocket-realnc/konquerorb12426.slave-socket"
kio_file(12429)/kio (kioslave) KIO::SlaveBase::mimeType: "image/png"
kio_file(12431)/kio (kioslave) KIO::SlaveBase::mimeType: "image/png"
kio_file(12433)/kio (kioslave) KIO::SlaveBase::mimeType: "image/png"
kio_file(12435)/kio (kioslave) KIO::SlaveBase::mimeType: "image/png"
konqueror(12426)/kio (Slave) KIO::Slave::createSlave: createSlave
"file" for KUrl("file:///usr/share/apps/kdeui/about/box-middle-
left.png")
kio_file(12443) kdemain: Starting 12443
[...]
[etc, etc, ad infinitum]
Currently, after about 2 hours of uptime, my ~/.xsession-errors is about
12MB big and full with those debug messages.
The "debug" USE flag is globally disabled. What's going on? I doubt
this is intended behavior.
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE4 applications are spamming stderr to death
On 02/26/2010 10:32 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Freitag 26 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Is it normal that every KDE (4.4.0) application is generating an awful
lot of debug messages on stderr? When I start one from the terminal (be
it Dolphin, Konqueror or whatever) the output generated is pretty much
gigantic. It's stuff like this:
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::font: Painter not active
QPainter::font: Painter not active
QPainter::setFont: Painter not active
QPainter::setPen: Painter not active
QPainter::font: Painter not active
konqueror(12426)/kio (Slave) KIO::Slave::createSlave: createSlave
"file" for KUrl("file:///usr/share/apps/kdeui/about/box-top-
middle.png")
konqueror(12426)/kio (KIOConnection)
KIO::ConnectionServer::listenForRemote: Listening on "local:/tmp
/ksocket-realnc/konquerorb12426.slave-socket"
kio_file(12429)/kio (kioslave) KIO::SlaveBase::mimeType: "image/png"
kio_file(12431)/kio (kioslave) KIO::SlaveBase::mimeType: "image/png"
kio_file(12433)/kio (kioslave) KIO::SlaveBase::mimeType: "image/png"
kio_file(12435)/kio (kioslave) KIO::SlaveBase::mimeType: "image/png"
konqueror(12426)/kio (Slave) KIO::Slave::createSlave: createSlave
"file" for KUrl("file:///usr/share/apps/kdeui/about/box-middle-
left.png")
kio_file(12443) kdemain: Starting 12443
[...]
[etc, etc, ad infinitum]
Currently, after about 2 hours of uptime, my ~/.xsession-errors is about
12MB big and full with those debug messages.
The "debug" USE flag is globally disabled. What's going on? I doubt
this is intended behavior.
the debug flag has nothing to do with this.
Why don't you open a nice bug at bugs.kde.org?
I wanted to make sure first that this isn't some sort of configuration
problem on my end. Can you confirm that this happens on your system too?
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE4 applications are spamming stderr to death
On 02/26/2010 11:16 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag 26 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/26/2010 10:32 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag 26 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Is it normal that every KDE (4.4.0) application is generating an awful lot of debug messages on stderr? When I start one from the terminal (be it Dolphin, Konqueror or whatever) the output generated is pretty much gigantic. [...] Currently, after about 2 hours of uptime, my ~/.xsession-errors is about 12MB big and full with those debug messages. [...] the debug flag has nothing to do with this. Why don't you open a nice bug at bugs.kde.org? I wanted to make sure first that this isn't some sort of configuration problem on my end. Can you confirm that this happens on your system too? oh yes. It does. If you open a bug, post the link please. ls -lhtr .xsession-errors -rw--- 1 energyman users 345M 26. Feb 22:15 .xsession-errors Someone else did file one about this a few days ago: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=227089
[gentoo-user] Re: FreeNX password vs. ssh-key
On 02/27/2010 01:52 AM, Joseph wrote: I'm installing Freenx and it will not install unless I enable in sshd_conf UsePAM yes (password authentication) What is the use use of ssh-key if I have to enable PAM? FreeNX does not support SSH keys. It only uses one for its control user. For an NX-based client/server that supports SSH keys, you might want to look at x2go instead. Furthermore, FreeNX seems to be quite inactive upstream (last update in 2008.) x2go is in the "nx" overlay.
[gentoo-user] Re: FreeNX password vs. ssh-key
On 02/27/2010 03:30 AM, Joseph wrote: On 02/27/10 03:15, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/27/2010 01:52 AM, Joseph wrote: I'm installing Freenx and it will not install unless I enable in sshd_conf UsePAM yes (password authentication) What is the use use of ssh-key if I have to enable PAM? FreeNX does not support SSH keys. It only uses one for its control user. For an NX-based client/server that supports SSH keys, you might want to look at x2go instead. Furthermore, FreeNX seems to be quite inactive upstream (last update in 2008.) x2go is in the "nx" overlay. Do you know if x2go runs XFCE4? I installed Freenx but I'm not able to log-in :-( Do I login with user: NX or normal my user name to the server? You login with the normal user. It's been a long time since I used FreeNX though and don't remember its server configuration details. If x2go supports XFCE4 I will go with it :-> The drop-down list here on the client shows "Gnome", "KDE", "LXDE", "Windows terminal server" (lol), and "Custom". I suppose you need to select "Custom" and provide the command that starts the XFCE desktop.
[gentoo-user] Re: Removing KDE 3.5? Or reason to keep it around?
On 02/27/2010 04:15 AM, BRM wrote: - Original Message From: Neil Bothwick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 06:34:18 -0800 (PST), BRM wrote: Aside from that, I'm not sure I have ever really run "emerge --depclean", but I also rarely uninstall anything, but don't install things left or right to try out either, so typically upgrades are all I need to do. You should still run --depclean as dependencies change and you could still have plenty of no longer needed ones installed. Okay - so I ran "emerge --depclean -a" and got the below. I tried running "emerge world -vuDNa" as specified, but that didn't resolve it either. I tried looking in the world file (/var/lib/portage/world) but didn't find any entries that felt safe to remove. "Safe" as to what? If something is in the world file that you didn't explicitly request, then it doesn't belong there. For example, if you have "x11-libs/qt-gui" in world, you should delete it. The world file should not contain dependencies, it should only contain the stuff you emerged directly. To give an example, if you emerge "media-video/smplayer", then that one will end up in the world file. But smplayer will also pull-in qt and mplayer. Those do not go in the world file. When you unmerge smplayer again, qt and mplayer will not be unmerged unless you run "emerge --depclean". However, if qt and mplayer end up being in the world file anyway, it means you made a mistake at some point; like emerging something that is a dependency but forgot to specify the "-1" (or "--oneshot") option to emerge. So if you see something in the world file that you know don't need directly (and I doubt you need qt directly; KDE for example needs it, you, as a person, don't) it's safe to remove. Of course always make a backup first :P
[gentoo-user] Re: Removing KDE 3.5? Or reason to keep it around?
On 02/27/2010 07:21 AM, BRM wrote: - Original Message From: Dale On 02/27/2010 04:15 AM, BRM wrote: From: Neil BothwickTo: (PST), BRM wrote: Aside from that, I'm not sure I have ever really run "emerge --depclean", but I also rarely uninstall anything, but don't install things left or right to try out either, so typically upgrades are all I need to do. You should still run --depclean as dependencies change and you could still have plenty of no longer needed ones installed. Okay - so I ran "emerge --depclean -a" and got the below. I tried running "emerge world -vuDNa" as specified, but that didn't resolve it either. I tried looking in the world file (/var/lib/portage/world) but didn't find any entries that felt safe to remove. "Safe" as to what? If something is in the world file that you didn't explicitly request, then it doesn't belong there. For example, if you have "x11-libs/qt-gui" in world, you should delete it. The world file should not contain dependencies, it should only contain the stuff you emerged directly. Okay...that kind of makes more sense now. From what I've read in the past, modifying 'world' would be a big no-no, and very risky - so I never touched it - also why I never really ran 'emerge --depclean', which is reporting some 400 packages to remove now that I've got that cleaned up. emerge -C does the same. It's just that I find it easier to edit the world file directly (it's just a text file, after all, no magic in there) if I want to clean up stuff. If you don't want to delete something from world by hand, simply copy&pasting the line you want removed to "emerge -C " will have the same result. Of course there might be special cases I simply don't know about; so simply emerge -C instead of removing lines from world if you want to play it safe.
[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel 2.6.33 and Nouveau
On 02/27/2010 11:29 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:39:19AM -0800, walt wrote: On 02/27/2010 09:22 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: Hey guys Got then latest gentoo-sources last night, and thought I'd try with the nouveau > drivers. And it went pretty well (until) I had to start X. I've attatched my xorg log. I have next to no idea what to do with the error. Cool. I didn't know about nouveau. Seems to be DRM that's lacking: (EE) [drm] failed to open device (EE) No devices detected. I'm wondering if you built the kernel modules listed here: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/InstallDRM Yeah I have all the kernel modules. The only thing I'm unsure about is, that it refers some firmware that needs to be downloaded. This can be downloaded from fedora, or (I think) from portage. If the firmware from portage is the same as from the fedora site. Then I should have all necessary bits. But I'll try building it as a module, and follow the directions about that. (I'm just glad that the only gui applications I use are pdfÃ-readers and Ãin browsing :-)) You don't need to build it as a module. Simply download the firmware, put it in /lib/firmware/nvidia/, and then configure the kernel like this: In "Device Drivers->Generic Driver Options", in "Firmware blobs root directory" enter: /lib/firmware In "External firmware blobs to build into the kernel binary", enter: nvidia/NAME_OF_FIRMWARE_FILE Rebuild and install the kernel. That should do it.
[gentoo-user] Re: Manual pages (man pages) have ESC all through them when having used sudo.
On 02/28/2010 05:57 AM, ubiquitous1980 wrote: If I have logged in through sudo such as $ sudo su, when I then use man pages, they are covered in "ESC". This does not occur when using normal user accounts or the root account through su. Wondering what is going on. Thanks. Some ENV variables are unset by sudo. But anyway, "sudo su" makes zero sense :P
[gentoo-user] vmware-workstation from vmware overlay broken digest
If any dev from the vmware overlay reads this, please fix this one: Calculating dependencies / * Digest verification failed: * /var/lib/layman/vmware/app-emulation/vmware-workstation/vmware-workstation-7.0.1.227600.ebuild * Reason: Failed on RMD160 verification * Got: 3619a7454b53411695537b5eb73d9213422b4097 * Expected: 9ba2a1698c4618d95bed0ca6e42cb4aaf38c8762 I don't know where to report bugs for ebuilds that are in overlays.
[gentoo-user] Re: Pending layman directory "relocation"
On 03/01/2010 08:08 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: (this is a rather obvious fix...) eselect news has a new notice, advising of the pending change of the presumed location of the layman directory from /usr/local/portage/layman to /var/lib/layman. It offers three ways to deal with this location change. I chose alternative A. (actually moving the directory and updating make.conf and layman make.conf) and wanted to do it before I forgot about it. However, until layman is actually upgraded to version 1.3x, the script/executable will reference /usr/local/portage/layman and fail. So layman users choosing alternative A. now may want to add a step; after moving the directory, put a soft link in the /usr/local/portage pointing to the new location; i.e. cd /usr/local/portage; ln -s /var/lib/layman layman Or you can edit /var/lib/layman/make.conf and change the locations there.
[gentoo-user] Re: Advice for 64-bit n00b?
On 03/04/2010 08:44 AM, Graham Murray wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann writes: no, it is not safe to have a 64bit only system. Just choose the multilib profile and start installing. If something needs the 32bit emul libs, it will pull the stuff in. There is nothing you need to care about. What is unsafe about a 64bit only system? Surely if it were unsafe then Gentoo would not offer no-multilib profiles? I have recently built 2 systems using a no-multilib profile and have not found any problems, and expect to start building a third one today. You didn't understand the question Volker was replying to. The question was not about "safe" as in "security", but rather "safe" as in "I can rest assured that a no-multilib system can run every software I could install", which is clearly not the case since some applications need 32-bit support.
[gentoo-user] Re: mysql is being pulled in again!
On 03/04/2010 05:37 PM, Mick wrote: I am trying to understand what is pulling in mysql again. This morning a load of qt packages were being updated and I noticed a bunch of perl and virtual packages in there too. Rest assured dev-db/mysql was in there, again. This is despite the fact that the mysql use flag seem to be not active as far as portage is concerned: That doesn't matter. USE flags is for optional stuff, not required stuff. It's like having the kde USE flag disabled and wondering why emerging a KDE application wants to pull-in kdelibs...
[gentoo-user] Re: mysql is being pulled in again!
On 03/04/2010 07:07 PM, Mick wrote: On 4 March 2010 15:57, Alan McKinnon wrote: There will be a reason why mysql is being pulled in, most likely a package that must have it. If a package must have it, wouldn't the USE flag mysql switch to + ? No. The USE flag is only for packages where MySQL is optional. If a package can't be used without MySQL, there's no "mysql" USE flag for it. I am thinking that x11-libs/qt-sql-4.6.2 may be what started this emerge of mysql. No, that one has MySQL as an optional dep and therefore it obeys the "mysql" USE flag. To see which installed packages pull-in mysql, use: equery depends mysql If the output starts with "(mysql?" then that package only pulls mysql if the USE flag is set. If it shows a package pulling mysql without the "(mysql?" part, then you've found the culprit.
[gentoo-user] Re: /etc/portage/bin/post_sync - not found by `equery b`
On 03/05/2010 04:06 PM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: Am Freitag 05 März 2010 schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:13:54 +0100, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: % qfile post_sync app-portage/portage-utils (/etc/portage/bin/post_sync) My qfile doesn’t find it, neither with nor without full path. And yes, I have that bin file. Is /etc/portage/postsync.d/q-reinitialize executable? nope It should be.
[gentoo-user] Re: Multiple versions of automake?
On 03/10/2010 06:17 PM, walt wrote: On 03/10/2010 05:50 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: Hello, I currently have 3 versions of automake installed (1.7.9-r1, 1.9.6-r3, and 1.10.2). emerge -pvuDN world shows an update available for each one, but, my question is, do I need all 3 versions? 'equery depends automake' shows 44 packages, all depending on 1.10* or higher. So, can I safely emerge -C the other 2 versions? Should I (does it even matter)? Probably won't matter. A few packages actually specify an exact version of the autotools, but most just want a certain minimum version. Portage doesn't allow ebuilds to specify minimum versions or ranges for automake, only exact versions. Specifying a mininum only works when putting automake as a dep in DEPEND. However, Gentoo devs are required to use WANT_AUTOMAKE, not DEPEND and WANT_AUTOMAKE only allows specific versions, not minimum ones. And this means multiple automake versions on the system are perfectly normal.
[gentoo-user] Re: Multiple versions of automake?
On 03/10/2010 10:16 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2010-03-10 12:05 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: equery can be unreliable. If emerge --depclean -a wants to remove one of both of them, let it, otherwise leave well alone. Understood, thanks... Just to be sure... the -a in the 'emerge --depclean -a' above will 'ask' me if I want to continue and remove the packages it finds, correct? Meaning, it won't just blindly go ahead and start ripping stuff out... How does that differ from 'emerge -p --depclean'? "emerge -p" will only print what it would merge/unmerge and then quits without asking. You can run this as normal user, no need to be root. "emerge -a" will print what it would merge/unmerge and then ask if you want to proceed. You have to be root to use this command. If you are not root and use "emerge -a", portage will turn it into an "emerge -p" and tell you that it did so because you are not root.
[gentoo-user] Re: Installing adobe flash on 64bit arch
On 03/11/2010 01:13 AM, Mick wrote: I see in the amd64 FAQs this: == Can I get Adobe Flash working? Yes. Just emerge adobe-flash. Adobe has provided a 64-bit Flash plugin starting with version 10.0.22.87. If you don't need the 32-bit plugin, then run echo "www-plugins/adobe-flash -32bit">> /etc/portage/package.use. This will install only the 64-bit Flash plugin. == So that I am clear, why would I want to install flash with both the 32bit and 64bit USE flags? If you have both 32-bit as well as 64-bit browsers installed. If there is no reason for both flags, then should I be disabling the 32bit globally or are there other circumstances that mean I should only set it so for this package? The 32bit flag is not global. It's only defined and used by the flash ebuild.
[gentoo-user] Re: New openssh install message?
On 03/12/2010 09:07 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, I don't remember seeing this message on previous openssh updates: Installing (1 of 1) net-misc/openssh-5.3_p1-r1 *>>> SetUID: [chmod go-r] /usr/lib64/misc/ssh-keysign ... [ ok ] * Remember to merge your config files in /etc/ssh/ and then * reload sshd: '/etc/init.d/sshd reload'. Is this a new message or have I just missed in the past? I don't know anywhere else for ssh configuration files to exist except /etc/ssh and I normally just do /etc/init.d/sshd restart anytime it gets updated. Has anything changed about this? I'm updating a remote machine and don't want to lose connectivity. Probably what the writer of that message meant is to update the config files with dispatch-conf and the like. I don't know to what else "merge" could refer.
[gentoo-user] Re: Compiz effects vs kwin
On 03/14/2010 02:53 AM, ubiquitous1980 wrote: The effects in kwin (such as window wobble) are vastly less smooth than that in compiz. I have noticed that compiz is faster in both kde4 and in gnome (with slight preference to gnome in speed) and wondering if this is normal, or something to do with my kwin setup. Running on GM 965 kwin got crappy animation speed in KDE 4.4. It was as smooth as compiz in 4.3. I asked about it in the KDE mailing list, but there was zero interest in this regression. So you either have to live with it, or switch to compiz.
[gentoo-user] Re: Compiz effects vs kwin
On 03/14/2010 04:57 AM, ubiquitous1980 wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 03/14/2010 02:53 AM, ubiquitous1980 wrote: The effects in kwin (such as window wobble) are vastly less smooth than that in compiz. I have noticed that compiz is faster in both kde4 and in gnome (with slight preference to gnome in speed) and wondering if this is normal, or something to do with my kwin setup. Running on GM 965 kwin got crappy animation speed in KDE 4.4. It was as smooth as compiz in 4.3. I asked about it in the KDE mailing list, but there was zero interest in this regression. So you either have to live with it, or switch to compiz. Thanks for your reply. I am currently using kde 4.3 because I try only to update to downstream-stable. Is there another explanation? Too old drivers and X maybe. Since you're using downstream-stable, but the cool DRM/GL/KMS stuff is only in the latest upstream versions, this might be the problem.
[gentoo-user] Re: wine cannot compile with jpeg flag
On 03/15/2010 05:06 PM, Xi Shen wrote: hi, i have enabled 'jpeg' flag in my /etc/make.conf, but i still cannot compile wine with jpeg support, and i really need this feature. the output of emerge -pv wine shows '(-jpeg)'. i think it is masked by profile. i then created '/etc/portage/profile/package.use.force', and putted 'app-emulation/wine jpeg' in it, but i still cannot compile wine with jpeg support. please help. USE flags are unmasked in /etc/portage/profile/package.use.mask. Put this in it: app-emulation/wine -jpeg
[gentoo-user] Re: help
On 03/20/2010 06:03 PM, Dainius Matusevičius wrote: help Is this the mailing-list equivalent of a message in a bottle? :P
[gentoo-user] Re: help
On 03/20/2010 10:46 PM, Dale wrote: Michael Sullivan wrote: On Sat, 2010-03-20 at 14:55 -0300, Crístian Viana wrote: or maybe he's using Seamonkey, like Dale :-) :-). Hey! What's wrong with seamonkey? I upgraded from Seamonkey 1 to Seamonkey 2. I let it copy the settings, email and other "stuff" to the new profile. Well, it copied it fine but new messages were sent blank. Replies were fine but new messages were blank. So, I had to create a new profile, copy the good stuff over to fix the issue with Seamonkey. Now I can send a new message and it not be blank. I think it annoyed the list but it really got on my nerves. After all, who wants to spend 20 or 30 minutes typing in a message to have it disappear and have to do it all over again. And people still claim it's Microsoft products that are bugged... :P
[gentoo-user] Re: help
On 03/22/2010 06:54 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Stroller wrote: I was very impressed by Windows 7 recently. I installed it for a customer and it seems wonderful. I even considered trying it myself, but I realised that the inability to copy settings from one profile or machine to another is a *complete* deal-breaker to me. [OT] In Windows XP it was called "Files and Settings Transfer Wizard". It could be run from the Windows install CD or maybe it was installed as well. You ran it on the source machine, then on the target machine and it did its magic. It even carried over individual apps settings for supported products (microsoft, adobe, etc). Did they get rid of that tool in later versions of Windows? No, it's still there (and improved). No idea why Stroller couldn't find it.
[gentoo-user] Re: help
On 03/22/2010 10:33 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 3/22/2010 3:40 PM, Mick wrote: On Monday 22 March 2010 19:21:26 KH wrote: Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick: TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop. You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are lucky, the vendor will give you some money back. Getting money back from Dell?!! It'll be like squeezing blood out of a stone. ;-) Seriously though, I've asked them to take it off for me and they said that this is "not an option"! Particularly annoying is the fact that Dell claims to be "Linux friendly". Which is apparently shorthand for: "Sure, we'll happily sell you one of three crappy laptop models with Ubuntu pre-installed, at a slight discount, while bombarding you with 'Dell Recommends Windows' ads while you shop. What's that? You want a desktop machine with Linux? Are you insane?" Dell mainly sells "Windows Computers", not "Computers". If someone doesn't like that, why buy one? There's a gazillion of e-shops selling custom machines.
[gentoo-user] Re: Problems with thunderbird
On 03/23/2010 01:43 PM, KH wrote: Hi, I just updated thunderbird. Now I have two problems: The rss feed only shows the title. It used to show the whole everything. How can I change that? I want to read the complete rss article. Not sure. Here they show OK. I'm using the "show article summary instead of loading the web page" setting. Then I tried to set firefox as default for opening http://www.stuff.whatever . This does not work. Where in about:config can I change that, again? You don't need to mess with about:config. The setting is in the "Attachments" section of the configuration dialog. Simply select "Use firefox" as handler for the ftp, http and https types.
[gentoo-user] Re: valgrind showing glibc warnings
On 03/25/2010 04:09 PM, Crístian Viana wrote: hi, when I use valgrind, it shows hundreds of warnings related to glibc. Rebuild valgrind. This usually fixes this.
[gentoo-user] Re: valgrind showing glibc warnings
On 03/25/2010 08:31 PM, Crístian Viana wrote: I think --gen-suppressions may be a too "complicated" solution. valgrind shouldn't find *any* warnings from the libraries of my system at all. either valgrind is doing something wrong or there's really some errors on glibc. in every other system I try, valgrind runs fine. I rebuilt valgrind, but it didn't help. I'm running amd64, by the way. On AMD64 you *must* build glibc with splitdebug in FEATURES. And I think the very latest glibc versions also require splitdebug on x86 too. And after that you must probably rebuild valgrind again :P After you've built glibc with splitdebug, there should be no more warnings in valgrind.
[gentoo-user] Re: valgrind showing glibc warnings
On 03/25/2010 05:36 PM, Jacob Todd wrote: On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 03:31:19PM -0300, Crístian Viana wrote: either valgrind is doing something wrong or there's really some errors on glibc. I wouldn't doubt it. There are always errors everywhere :P The problem is you shouldn't see them since you're only interested in those in your own application. Anyway, in this case, the "error" lies in that glibc recently started using sse instructions to speed up some string operations on intel-compatible CPUs, and Valgrind barks at those unless it has access to the debugging symbols. On other distros this is no issue since they make sure not to strip the libraries in question, or provide installable *-debug packages. Gentoo doesn't provide this fine-grained debugging support, and you have to build using splitdebug in FEATURES.
[gentoo-user] Re: unknown media type error when updating
On 03/27/2010 02:14 PM, Xi Shen wrote: hi, i noticed the following error messages when i was updating my system. * Updating shared mime info database ... Unknown media type in type 'all/all' Unknown media type in type 'all/allfiles' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mms' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmst' Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmsu' Unknown media type in type 'uri/pnm' Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspt' Unknown media type in type 'uri/rtspu' Unknown media type in type 'fonts/package' Unknown media type in type 'interface/x-winamp-skin' how to fix this? You can't. It's perfectly normal. It's not even an error.
[gentoo-user] Re: ffmpeg "threads" parameter
On 03/28/2010 02:40 AM, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: Some ffmpeg-using applications (e.g. mplayer) allow you to pass numbers of threads (e.g. I use 6 on my Core-I7) to ffmpeg; others (e.g. chromium) do not. First, mplayer uses its own bundled ffmpeg. It doesn't use media-video/ffmpeg at all. Furthermore, this is not what the "threads" USE flag does for ffmpeg. Those applications that allow you to specify an amount of threads assume you're using ffmpeg-mt instead of normal ffmpeg. ffmpeg-mt is a fork of ffmpeg and is not in Portage because it's still considered non-stable upstream. There's an ebuild in Gentoo Bugzilla for ffmpeg-mt and an mplayer that uses ffmpeg-mt as its bundled ffmpeg version. The mt mplayer ebuild can also be found in the wirelay overlay (it's in layman.)
[gentoo-user] Re: unknown media type error when updating
On 03/28/2010 06:36 AM, Xi Shen wrote: so...there are expected to be unknown? haha...that is interesting. anyway, thanks. :) I guess they're not really expected to be unknown, but they're harmless as long as you don't get disappearing icons. If you do, then this is for you: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=288312 This came up quite a while back on the mailing list, and IIRC, the "solution" was that there is no solution :P
[gentoo-user] Re: Checking sanity of system...
On 04/04/2010 08:18 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, this is no security issue in sense of attacks...it is related to the consistency of the system. Simple question (and may be complicate to answer... ;) ) How can I check, that my Gentoo system is uptodate emerge --sync && emerge -uDN world consistent and sane? Define "consistent" and "sane". Those words don't say anything, really.
[gentoo-user] Re: Checking sanity of system...
On 04/04/2010 10:07 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Nikos Chantziaras [10-04-04 08:28]: On 04/04/2010 08:18 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, this is no security issue in sense of attacks...it is related to the consistency of the system. Simple question (and may be complicate to answer... ;) ) How can I check, that my Gentoo system is uptodate emerge --sync&& emerge -uDN world consistent and sane? Define "consistent" and "sane". Those words don't say anything, really. Ok... Consistency: Following each logical branch of each logical tree of control relationship, which is for example but not only the tree of dependancies, will end in a leave. These are the control paths. Sane: Following each logical branch of each logical tree of data relationships. which is for example but not only the interaction of scripts under /etc, will end in a leave. These are the data paths. These are very abstract things you speak of. But I guess it boils down to "are there bugs in my system." Yes, there are. All software has bugs. There is a tool to check whether there are bugs: you. You use the software and check whether it works correctly or not. For anything more specific, you also need to be more specific with your questions. :)
[gentoo-user] Re: VirtualBox bridge mode eth0
On 04/08/2010 07:11 AM, Joseph wrote: I've activated Network adapter in VirtualBox (running Windows XP) but I it is not working. It works only in NAT mode not in Bridge mode. The worst part is when I enable bridge mode on second adapter the keyboard lock up, so I need to reboot the box :-/ I've copied the VM into my other box and VirtualBox Network part is working in both Bridge and NAT mode. So I can not seem to understand why it is working on one box but not the other. Does it have something to do with Promiscuous Mode? Promiscuous Mode is needed for bridging to work. This is why NAT mode is preferable, btw, unless you have a good reason to use bridging.
[gentoo-user] Re: I want my Ctrl+Alt+Backspace back
On 04/19/2010 12:07 AM, Harry Putnam wrote:
I've seen on this group some time back a few ways, or at least more
than 1 as I recall to retain the ability to leave X with
Ctrl+Alt_+BKSPC.
I'm not finding it now readily.
Can someone tell me where that setting may be made.
If it has something to do with new way of starting X where we don't
need an xorg.conf file... I should say that I still use
/etc/X11/xorg.conf (In case that makes a difference)
I find trying to leave X with the `logout' menu item provided on the
Xfce4 destop, that if X has been running a while is seems to take a
very long time to get out of X that way, and possibly not only long
but even ever, short of:
kill -TERM `ps wwaux|awk '/X.*\-nolisten tc[p]/{print $2}'`
Or killing the pid some other way.
The Ctrl+alt+bkspc was a much nicer fallback.
The only way I could find that works was an option for it in KDE4's
keyboard layout settings. KDE was nice enough to explain what it is
doing under the hood though, which is adding:
-option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
to the "setxkbmap" command it uses to apply the keyboard settings.
[gentoo-user] Re: I want my Ctrl+Alt+Backspace back
On 04/19/2010 12:47 AM, Mick wrote:
On Sunday 18 April 2010 22:15:34 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 04/19/2010 12:07 AM, Harry Putnam wrote:
I've seen on this group some time back a few ways, or at least more
than 1 as I recall to retain the ability to leave X with
Ctrl+Alt_+BKSPC.
I'm not finding it now readily.
Can someone tell me where that setting may be made.
If it has something to do with new way of starting X where we don't
need an xorg.conf file... I should say that I still use
/etc/X11/xorg.conf (In case that makes a difference)
I find trying to leave X with the `logout' menu item provided on the
Xfce4 destop, that if X has been running a while is seems to take a
very long time to get out of X that way, and possibly not only long
but even ever, short of:
kill -TERM `ps wwaux|awk '/X.*\-nolisten tc[p]/{print $2}'`
Or killing the pid some other way.
The Ctrl+alt+bkspc was a much nicer fallback.
The only way I could find that works was an option for it in KDE4's
keyboard layout settings. KDE was nice enough to explain what it is
doing under the hood though, which is adding:
-option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
to the "setxkbmap" command it uses to apply the keyboard settings.
In your xorg.conf you need:
Section "InputDevice"
[snip ...]
Option "XkbOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"
EndSection
The 'new' way of setting it up without a xorg.conf file is to set it up in
your /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi like so:
terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
Read more details here:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.6-upgrade-guide.xml
HAL is deprecated and will not be supported in X anymore, so it's not
the "new" way ;)
[gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/ck-sources - why should I use them?
On 04/20/2010 05:41 PM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 20 Apr, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Dienstag 20 April 2010, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, has anybody experience with these new sys-kernel/ck-sources? I could only see they have additional patches (in addition to those of gentoo-sources). But I didn't find which patches and why these have only been applied to ck-sources? Thanks for your opinion, Helmut. if you have more than 2 cores, you shouldn't use them ;) Why, it's said to scale well up to 16 cores (at least)? It's practically *made* for 2 and 4 cores. Single core enhancements were added later. Volker's recommendations is based on his own tests with the patches. I'm on a dual core Intel E6600 and the patches help a big deal to keep the GUI responsive and fluid. Also note that there's much hate and fanboy-ism around this issue. Expect people telling you how this is crap, or how the default Linux scheduler is crap, etc, without them really having a clue what they're talking about. (I am *not* referring to Volker here, mind you.)
[gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/ck-sources - why should I use them?
On 04/21/2010 12:59 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 20 April 2010 16:41:03 Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 20 Apr, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Dienstag 20 April 2010, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, has anybody experience with these new sys-kernel/ck-sources? I could only see they have additional patches (in addition to those of gentoo-sources). But I didn't find which patches and why these have only been applied to ck-sources? Thanks for your opinion, Helmut. if you have more than 2 cores, you shouldn't use them ;) Why, it's said to scale well up to 16 cores (at least)? Does ck-sources apply the bfs patches? Yes. Though it applies everything, not just BFS, and I'm not sure if this a good idea or not.
[gentoo-user] Re: sys-kernel/ck-sources - why should I use them?
On 04/21/2010 01:26 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 21 April 2010 12:08:47 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 04/21/2010 12:59 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 20 April 2010 16:41:03 Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 20 Apr, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Dienstag 20 April 2010, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, has anybody experience with these new sys-kernel/ck-sources? I could only see they have additional patches (in addition to those of gentoo-sources). But I didn't find which patches and why these have only been applied to ck-sources? Thanks for your opinion, Helmut. if you have more than 2 cores, you shouldn't use them ;) Why, it's said to scale well up to 16 cores (at least)? Does ck-sources apply the bfs patches? Yes. Though it applies everything, not just BFS, and I'm not sure if this a good idea or not. How is ck-sources different from zen-sources? ck-sources only applies CK's patches.
[gentoo-user] Re: No longer getting elog messages
On 04/24/2010 05:40 AM, billyd wrote: Thanks for the reply, Alan. My hard drive space is adequate with at least 50% space available on the partition where /var lives. Can you post the output of "df -i"? Free space is only one consideration. The other is free inodes.
[gentoo-user] Re: two version of the same lib at the same time...possible?
On 04/28/2010 04:35 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, for haveing both useable I need to have two different versions of x264 on my system. Is this possible in any way? Not with Portage (it allow you to customize --prefix). You can have an infinite number of them though if you install manually with a different ./configure --prefix each time.
[gentoo-user] Re: Compiling 32 bit library on x86_64
On 04/30/2010 03:09 PM, David W Noon wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 12:10:02 +0200, Roger Mason wrote about [gentoo-user] Compiling 32 bit library on x86_64: Hello, I need to compile a 32 bit version of libtermcap on an x86_64 (multilib) system. Can someone tell me how to set up CFLAGS? This is what I have at the moment: CFLAGS="-O2 -m32 -march=native -msse3 -pipe" CXXFLAGS="-O2 -m32 -march=native -msse3 -pipe" The -march=native will shoot you in the foot. Pick a 32-bit architecture and use that instead; e.g. -march=i686 Then, -msse3 could also be problematic, unless the target is a very late model Pentium 4. I would ditch that too. None of those options are problematic. -march=native has nothing to do with 32/64 bit. Every 64-bit CPU is 32-bit compatible and has zero consequence. I think you fell into the logical trap that 32-bit CPUs are not 64-bit compatible but it's OK vice versa :) Meaning you can't use "-m64 -march=i686". But you *can* and *should* use "-m32 -march=core2".
[gentoo-user] Re: Compiling 32 bit library on x86_64
On 04/30/2010 07:29 PM, David W Noon wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:20:02 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote about [gentoo-user] Re: Compiling 32 bit library on x86_64: On 04/30/2010 03:09 PM, David W Noon wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 12:10:02 +0200, Roger Mason wrote about [gentoo-user] Compiling 32 bit library on x86_64: Hello, I need to compile a 32 bit version of libtermcap on an x86_64 (multilib) system. Can someone tell me how to set up CFLAGS? This is what I have at the moment: CFLAGS="-O2 -m32 -march=native -msse3 -pipe" CXXFLAGS="-O2 -m32 -march=native -msse3 -pipe" The -march=native will shoot you in the foot. Pick a 32-bit architecture and use that instead; e.g. -march=i686 Then, -msse3 could also be problematic, unless the target is a very late model Pentium 4. I would ditch that too. None of those options are problematic. -march=native has nothing to do with 32/64 bit. Every 64-bit CPU is 32-bit compatible and has zero consequence. I think you fell into the logical trap that 32-bit CPUs are not 64-bit compatible but it's OK vice versa :) Meaning you can't use "-m64 -march=i686". But you *can* and *should* use "-m32 -march=core2". No, I stand by what I wrote. You are wrong. The -march=native option tells the compiler to issue the CPUID instruction to determine the architecture. This means that on an amd64 box it will return data for either an AMD K8 or an Intel Pentium D architecture. This, in turn, allows the compiler to generate K8 instructions that are not valid on IA32 processors. It even allows the compiler to use 64-bit registers, including the additional registers that were not in an IA32 processor. The OP was not interested whether the code runs on all IA32 processors. Just on his. Yes, if you compile with "-m32 -march=native" the code will not run everywhere else. But I fail to see what this has to do with 32-bit vs 64-bit; it also happens if you omit "-m32". The -m32 option instructs the compiler to generate code with 32-bit pointers and relocation dictionary. It does not constrain the compiler to generate code that will definitely run on an IA32 processor, but it does ensure that the code can be linked with 32-bit libraries. So, if one is compiling on, say, a Core2 Duo and one uses -march=native and -m32, the compiler can use all kinds of instructions valid on the Core2 Duo, but limits addressing to 32-bit. Yes, which is what we want. Again, the OP was not interested whether the code runs on other machines. If that was the case, he would not have used -march=native in the first place. And I have proof too. Compile whatever you want with -m32 -march=native. It will work just fine.
[gentoo-user] Re: Loosing key presses since upgrade to xorg-server-1.7.6
On 05/07/2010 02:09 AM, Remy Blank wrote: I upgraded xorg-server to 1.7.6 (and the few associated packages) a few days ago, and since then I seem to spuriously loose some key presses when typing fast. This only happens in X, not on the console. The box is a Dell Latitude E6500 laptop. I have already re-emerged all necessary drivers (xf86-input-keyboard in particular, I'm not using evdev), and there were no other upgrades during that time. But no success. I'm using xf86-video-intel-2.11.0. I have tried downgrading to 2.10.0-r1, which I was using with xorg-server-1.6.5. Still no success. This is extremely annoying. Am I the only one seeing this? Any ideas how I could solve the issue, short of downgrading xorg-server, which I would like to avoid? evdev?
[gentoo-user] Re: can't create file but disk isn't full
On 05/08/2010 09:21 PM, Crístian Viana wrote: hi everyone, something weird is happening on my system. I can't create new files, it says "No space left on device", but the disk has several gigabytes of free space! The filesystem probably ran out of inodes. "df -i /home" will show inode usage. This can happen when you have many small files; they eat inodes but not storage space.
[gentoo-user] Re: can't create file but disk isn't full
On 05/09/2010 01:46 AM, Crístian Viana wrote: it doesn't seem so :-( FilesystemInodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on /dev/sda620856832 108698 207481341% /home I didn't know that the filesystem could run out of inodes before the disk space itself! thanks for the information :-) Long shot, but check if root can write files. If yes, it probably means your reserved block count is a bit high (default is 5% I believe). The reserved block count is a mechanism that disallows further writes to the filesystem if it gets too full, and only root can keep writing. If that's your problem, the reserved block count can be changed with the tune2fs tool. To set it to, say 2%, you would run: tune2fs -m 2 /dev/sda6 I don't know if it's safe to do this while the filesystem is mounted. To play it safe, go to single user mode, umount /home, and only then run the above command.
[gentoo-user] Re: I've been hacked.
On 05/11/2010 10:28 PM, Grant wrote: I nmap'ed one of my remote Gentoo servers today and besides the expected open ports were these: 1080/tcp open socks 3128/tcp open squid-http 8080/tcp open http-proxy I'm not running any sort of proxy software that I know of and I should be the only person whatsoever with access to the machine. 'netstat -l' doesn't show any info on those ports at all so I suppose it's been hacked as well? I installed and ran 'rkhunter --check' (what happened to the chrootkit ebuild?) but it doesn't seem to be much use since I hadn't established a "file of stored file properties". What do you guys think is going on? What should I do from here? What does lsof (I'd reinstall it afresh) show with regards to strange users? What users the above services run under. If indeed they are not legitimate and you confirm that they are not being run as packages that you installed, then I'm afraid the only sane option is to reinstall. Wow. I'm actually seeing the same thing from other domains I nmap. Could my ISP have some kind of a weird environment set up that makes it look like there are ports such as these open on remote systems? Right now I'm on some kind of a shared connection where everyone has their own modem or router or whatever it is, but I think everyone's IP is the same. - Grant Hello, looks like, your ISP has a Transparent Proxy Setup running. Should I be worried about that? "Your ISP" in this case means the ISP of your home, not the server's. That means you will see these ports apparently open for every IP/hostname you try.
[gentoo-user] Re: can't create file but disk isn't full
On 05/13/2010 01:56 AM, Willie Wong wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:25:08AM +0200, Alex Schuster wrote: The 5% is historical from days when disks are much smaller. If you have a sensible partition scheme you only really need to reserve the blocks on the $ROOT filesystem. If the partition in question (IIRC) is only for /home, then you can just turn off the reserved blocks all together. Isn't another purpose of those 5% the reduction of fragmentation that occurs more when there is few free space left? Although I also reduce ift on very large partitions. But I never set it to exactly zero. Perhaps? I don't know. My ext3 partitions with 0% are all for large files (videos and music) that are more or less static, so I can't say anything about fragmentation on them. My other partitions are all reiser, so can't say anything about fragmentation on them either :) The tune2fs man page mentions that fragmentation is also a reason: -m reserved-blocks-percentage Set the percentage of the filesystem which may only be allocated by privileged processes. Reserving some number of filesystem blocks for use by privileged processes is done to avoid filesystem fragmentation, and to allow system daemons, such as syslogd(8), to continue to function correctly after non- privileged processes are prevented from writing to the filesystem. Normally, the default percentage of reserved blocks is 5%.
[gentoo-user] Re: glx & dri fail to load for nv
On 05/15/2010 06:31 AM, Grant wrote: I'm seeing tearing from the nv xorg driver. I think it's because the glx and dri modules are failing to load, and I think that's because I'm missing a kernel option or two. Can anyone tell me what I might be missing in the kernel for an Nvidia card? BTW, the proprietary nvidia driver works great but I'd like to get nv working too. A bit off-topic, but nv is dead upstream (NVidia dropped it). You might want to look into the Nouveau open source driver if you have hardware supported by it (it even supports 3D): http://nouveau.freedesktop.org It's better than the crappy "nv" driver by orders of magnitude.
[gentoo-user] xorg-server 1.8.1 random segfaults
Does anyone else get random segfaults all the time with xorg-server-1.8.1? Backtrace: 0: /usr/bin/X (xorg_backtrace+0x28) [0x45cc28] 1: /usr/bin/X (0x40+0x59899) [0x459899] 2: /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x300100+0xf0d0) [0x300100f0d0] 3: /usr/bin/X (dixLookupPrivate+0xa) [0x42c5aa] 4: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so (0x7f39c8fb3000+0x3f18a) [0x7f39c8ff218a] 5: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so (0x7f39c8fb3000+0x3656f) [0x7f39c8fe956f] 6: /usr/bin/X (FreeResource+0x13f) [0x42a38f] 7: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so (0x7f39c8fb3000+0x336c9) [0x7f39c8fe66c9] 8: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so (0x7f39c8fb3000+0x363ae) [0x7f39c8fe93ae] 9: /usr/bin/X (0x40+0x44f1c) [0x444f1c] 10: /usr/bin/X (0x40+0x217e5) [0x4217e5] 11: /lib/libc.so.6 (__libc_start_main+0xfd) [0x300041ebbd] 12: /usr/bin/X (0x40+0x21399) [0x421399] Segmentation fault at address 0x290 Fatal server error: Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting xorg-server-1.8.0 is working just fine. I'm on ~amd64 with x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati-6.13.0 (also tried live ebuild from x11 overlay.)
[gentoo-user] Re: Phonon + PulseAudio Problem
On 05/20/2010 11:15 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 19 May 2010 23:56:39 walt wrote: On 05/19/2010 12:59 PM, Fabian Köster wrote: Hi *, I am currently trying to use Phonon and PulseAudio and have the following problem: When I play some Video with a Non-KDE application like VLC everything is perfectly directed to the local PulseAudio running on my machine and i have the expected sound-output. But when I use a KDE-Application like Kaffeine or Amarok there is no sound output although the stream is listed by pavucontrol... Well, since I'm first to answer I get to inject my prejudices first :) I think pulse is a very long answer to a very short question and so I did away with it months ago. And I haven't regretted it. Truly, I think very few people need pulse outside of professionals who work in film or music. The main reason others have disagreed with my opinion is because your silly desktop sounds like beeps and boings and toilets flushing interrupt the CD you're listening to. Uh, well, yeah, one sound generally interrupts another, true. So what? I'll bet your audio would do what you expect it to do if you just removed every trace of pulse from your machine and run revdep-rebuild with the pulse, arts, and esd useflags disabled (if those flags still exist). Contrary opinions will follow shortly ;) No, I don't think they will :-) Well, here is one :P "Uh, well, yeah, one sound generally interrupts another, true." That is not true. ALSA (most people use that one) has dmix, which mixes all sounds from all applications together. You don't need PulseAudio for that.
[gentoo-user] Re: nouveau-drm compile failure
On 05/20/2010 07:56 PM, Grant wrote: I'm trying to compile nouveau-drm for my Nvidia 8400GS video card, but compilation fails: I don't think you should be using nouveau-drm in the first place. This driver is now in the kernel itself. nouveau-drm was used before that driver moved into the Linux kernel together with the other DRM drivers. Also, as a consequence, trying to use nouveau-drm means you're getting an outdated driver, since AFAIK the updates happen in-kernel now.
[gentoo-user] Re: nouveau-drm compile failure
On 05/20/2010 08:32 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/20/2010 07:56 PM, Grant wrote: I'm trying to compile nouveau-drm for my Nvidia 8400GS video card, but compilation fails: I don't think you should be using nouveau-drm in the first place. This driver is now in the kernel itself. nouveau-drm was used before that driver moved into the Linux kernel together with the other DRM drivers. Also, as a consequence, trying to use nouveau-drm means you're getting an outdated driver, since AFAIK the updates happen in-kernel now. I forgot to mention *where* in the kernel configuration you can enable nouveau. It's in Device Drivers->Staging drivers
[gentoo-user] Re: Phonon + PulseAudio Problem
On 05/20/2010 08:30 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Don't even mention OSS4; the sound architecture goes in user space, not the kernel. I don't care where they go (why the hell should I?), for as long as they work.
[gentoo-user] Re: Phonon + PulseAudio Problem
On 05/20/2010 09:44 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/20/2010 08:30 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Don't even mention OSS4; the sound architecture goes in user space, not the kernel. I don't care where they go (why the hell should I?), for as long as they work. You should care, because if it breaks inside the kernel, it probably takes away the whole operating system. And then you lose work and you're sad. Well, it doesn't break here. It's been rock-solid through the years. It's too bad it's going to die though; it was the only way to get solid sound for me. ALSA with its out-of-kernel dmix sucked, like, forever. What doesn't work is PulseAudio, actually. Too many problems with it. Pulse is simply broken by design; it's too far from the kernel to be any good. But don't take my word for it; Intel+Nokia are using PulseAudio in MeeGo, and Google it's doing the same with Android. They are making an opinion with their wallets. (And doesn't really matters, but I haven't heard that it's possible to switch audio from internal speakers to bluetooth headset with OSS4, so as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't work.) ALSA can't switch to Bluetooth either. You could use PulseAudio with OSS4 instead of with ALSA though, but this is not officially supported.
[gentoo-user] Re: Phonon + PulseAudio Problem
On 05/20/2010 10:25 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: [snip] What doesn't work is PulseAudio, actually. Too many problems with it. Pulse is simply broken by design; it's too far from the kernel to be any good. If I may use (most of) your words: "Well, it works here. It's been rock-solid through months." And with various use-cases, if I may add. Can you elaborate why the audio architecture has to be close to the kernel? The part that talks to the hardware obviously has to, but why the part that handles the features, the mixes, the virtual devices? Because as soon as you disable ALSA dmix and/or Pulse, suddenly you get acceptable sound latency. With OSS4, which has in-kernel mixing, it doesn't matter if you enable the mixer or disable it; sound always has acceptable latency. Thus, I can only conclude that mixing has to happen in-kernel. But I base this only on the ALSA/Pulse vs OSS4 comparison. It could also be that the user-space implementation of ALSA just sucks. But that's hard to believe, since if that were the case they would have fixed it several years ago already. I'm under the impression (correct me if I'm wrong) that it was one of the major reasons to leave OSS4 outside the upstream kernel; too many stuff in there that belongs in user space. It sounds reasonable to me. It sounds reasonable from a designer's point of view. But a system is useless if it's only designed good but doesn't actually work in a satisfactory manner. Specially when PulseAudio just works, for me and many more. Sorry, that just pretentious of you here. PulseAudio is the most flamed at, hated, sound-related software around. And this is because it does *not* work for many, many users, and the first thing they try to do is find out how to disable the thing. ALSA can't switch to Bluetooth either. You could use PulseAudio with OSS4 instead of with ALSA though, but this is not officially supported. Indeed it's not supported, because it's (using your words again) "broken by design" by trying to do too many things inside the kernel that belong in user space. That's my understanding at least; please correct me if you believe I'm mistaken. You're mistaken in that a mixer should be in the same boat as network streaming, bluetooth, etc, etc. I believe the *mixer* should be in-kernel. Everything else doesn't need to be. PulseAudio's extreme latency problems (which even upstream admits can't be fixed easily) stem from that.
[gentoo-user] Re: Phonon + PulseAudio Problem
On 05/21/2010 02:03 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Because as soon as you disable ALSA dmix and/or Pulse, suddenly you get acceptable sound latency. With OSS4, which has in-kernel mixing, it doesn't matter if you enable the mixer or disable it; sound always has acceptable latency. By that reasoning, the GUI should be in-kernel too. It would be then really responsive al the time. I don't buy the argument. Then why does dmix lag? Thus, I can only conclude that mixing has to happen in-kernel. But I base this only on the ALSA/Pulse vs OSS4 comparison. It could also be that the user-space implementation of ALSA just sucks. But that's hard to believe, since if that were the case they would have fixed it several years ago already. No, it doesn't has to happen in-kernel; all the linux based phones (which deal primarily with, you know, audio, including heavy use of multimedia) use PulseAudio. And these are not very powerful machines; so if the mixing in user space works in low powered devices, it must work everywhere. I don't buy this argument either. Then why does dmix lag? It sounds reasonable from a designer's point of view. But a system is useless if it's only designed good but doesn't actually work in a satisfactory manner. It works for me, I repeat, and for a lot of other folks too. It's not only a design decision made because it's "elegant"; it's made because it works "in a satisfactory manner" (ex. me, others, Linux phones), and because it's more flexible: put it in the kernel, and you loose the capacity to do important changes and extensions (specially with the way the Linux kernel development works). Why on earth would you want to put it in the kernel in the first place? That has nothing to do with the low level mixer. In short, because it works "in a satisfactory manner" (to me and many others, including all the N900 and Android users out there), I also don't buy this argument. Sorry, that just pretentious of you here. PulseAudio is the most flamed at, hated, sound-related software around. And this is because it does *not* work for many, many users, and the first thing they try to do is find out how to disable the thing. Sorry, but I believe the you are the one being pretentious; how long has been since you tried PulseAudio? It has come a lng way, and I haven't seen any real flames against PulseAudio in many months (and it's enabled in all major distributions). And that is because it's working (I repeat my words) "for me and many more". I've tried it 6 days ago. Ubuntu 10.04. It's still a laggy, buggy, pile of . First thing I did was to disable it. You're mistaken in that a mixer should be in the same boat as network streaming, bluetooth, etc, etc. I believe the *mixer* should be in-kernel. Everything else doesn't need to be. PulseAudio's extreme latency problems (which even upstream admits can't be fixed easily) stem from that. I respectfully disagree; the kernel should pass along data and messages to the sound hardware, and everything else (*including mixing*) should be in user space. Not only in theory from an academic and aesthetic point of view; *it also works*, to me, to many users who doesn't complain (despite PulseAudio being used by default in ALL major distributions), and to ALL the users of Android and MeeGo. Yes, you and many people also find it acceptable to run their games with 10FPS, or to take their systems 1 minute to boot, etc. I am not one of those people. I don't like it when the sound lags. You may claim that it doesn't bother you. But you can't claim that it doesn't happen. And to finish, I don't know how much you know about technical decisions and design, but I know that Linus refused to accept OSS4 in the kernel, I know that all major distributions decided to go with PulseAudio, and I know that Intel, Nokia and Google are betting for it. That doesn't mean ALSA is better. So, no offense, but I trust more in those guys and the arguments I have heard from them. And the consensus with them is to use PulseAudio, and leave the mixing in user space. Then why don't they fix it? It's still crap after all this time.
[gentoo-user] Re: Phonon + PulseAudio Problem
On 05/21/2010 09:26 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Then why does dmix lag? Then why does dmix lag? I don't know; I don't care. I don't use dmix, I use PulseAudio, and it takes care of everything in user space and I don't have to worry about anything. I've tried it 6 days ago. Ubuntu 10.04. It's still a laggy, buggy, pile of . First thing I did was to disable it. It doesn't lag here. It's rock solid stable. In all my computers, each one with completely different sound hardware. And I'm just using the ebuilds from Gentoo; I didn't configure *anything*. I didn't have to. Maybe Ubuntu has something wrong: Lennart complained that they "didn't get it": http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/pa-in-ubuntu.html Yes, you and many people also find it acceptable to run their games with 10FPS, or to take their systems 1 minute to boot, etc. My games doesn't run at 10FPS, my laptop boot in seconds (and usually it's always suspended), my desktop and media center (specially the latter) boot very quickly also. Please don't speak about something you don't know anything about. I am not one of those people. I don't like it when the sound lags. You may claim that it doesn't bother you. But you can't claim that it doesn't happen. I can claim it: it doesn't happen *to me*. It works beautifully. I'm using Gentoo, with the following versions: media-sound/pulseaudio-0.9.21.1 sys-kernel/vanilla-sources-2.6.32.9 My sound card is : 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) (I'm on my laptop; don't have the specs of my desktop or media center, but the versions at least should be the same). I simply don't have any sound lags. That doesn't mean ALSA is better. Again, I trust more the technical judgement from the kernel developers. No offense. Then why don't they fix it? It's still crap after all this time. It's not in my case. Not at all. But (as I said in my last mail), this is Open Source; if you think it's crap, you can try to fix it. All I'm saying is that PulseAudio is a great sound architecture for Linux. It works great for me, in several hardware configurations; and in particular in my Media Center, which is my principal medium to listen to music. And I trust the judgement of the ones that decided to use ALSA+PulseAudio. Regards. All of this boils down to what you should have said in the beginning: It works for *you*. You don't mind the lag (there is lag, no way around it, you just don't mind because you're not using software that needs good latency, like software synthesizers) but I do. So stop trying to convince me that it works for me too. To use your own words, please don't speak about something you don't know anything about. As I see it, if I have to use ALSA's OSS-compatibility to get acceptable results, why not use the real thing instead?
[gentoo-user] Re: Phonon + PulseAudio Problem
On 05/21/2010 10:38 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag 21 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: You don't mind the lag (there is lag, no way around it, you just don't mind because you're not using software that needs good latency, like software synthesizers) but I do. So stop trying to convince me that it works for me too. To use your own words, please don't speak about something you don't know anything about. As I see it, if I have to use ALSA's OSS-compatibility to get acceptable results, why not use the real thing instead? h,mm, lets see - because oss4 is broken by design? No it's not broken. It's awesome: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/06/state-of-sound-in-linux-not-so-sorry.html Also, what 'latency' are you talking about? Latency is the delay between giving the order to play a sound and the sound actually being played. It's usually around 30ms here with ALSA/dmix, and around 10ms with OSS/vmix. It's not funny trying to play something in a software synth with a keyboard when having a 30ms latency.
[gentoo-user] Can't get PulseAudio to work
I decided to test PulseAudio on Gentoo since someone claimed the reason PulseAudio has a "it blows chunks" reputation because of Ubuntu shipping it with a broken configuration. So, I did: USE="alsa pulseaudio -oss" emerge -auDNl --with-bdeps=y world This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS support and use ALSA or Pulse instead. I also took a look at this: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/PulseAudio and did the "usermod -a -G plugdev pulse" thing. I rebooted with an ALSA-enabled kernel and with OSSv4 completely removed. But it doesn't work; everything can use ALSA OK, but not PA. For example, "mplayer -ao pulse video.mkv" says: socket(): Address family not supported by protocol What now?
[gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work
On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS support and use ALSA or Pulse instead. sure? Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.html PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as a dep :-/ Will file a bug about it. As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot compete with OSS4's vmix. But it isn't worse than stand-alone ALSA+dmix though, which is surprising. Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working. That is, it loads OK, but there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend. The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops and crackles). Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA? I tried to set "audio.driver:alsa" in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still no sound.
[gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work
On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS support and use ALSA or Pulse instead. sure? Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.html PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as a dep :-/ Will file a bug about it. As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot compete with OSS4's vmix. But it isn't worse than stand-alone ALSA+dmix though, which is surprising. Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working. That is, it loads OK, but there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend. The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops and crackles). Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA? I tried to set "audio.driver:alsa" in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still no sound. yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA. "audio.driver:pulse" also doesn't work :-/ Why again are you wasting your time with PA? Because people claim ALSA+Pulse is better than OSS4. So I ought to actually try it "with a correct setup, unlike the broken Ubuntu setup", or else everyone will keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about.
[gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work
On 05/22/2010 02:37 PM, David W Noon wrote: On Sat, 22 May 2010 12:10:02 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote about [gentoo-user] Can't get PulseAudio to work: [snip] I rebooted with an ALSA-enabled kernel and with OSSv4 completely removed. But it doesn't work; everything can use ALSA OK, but not PA. For example, "mplayer -ao pulse video.mkv" says: socket(): Address family not supported by protocol What now? Have you started the PulseAudio daemon? There is none: ls /etc/init.d/*pulse* ls: cannot access /etc/init.d/*pulse*: No such file or directory but it seems to start on its own, and in any case I solved that issue as I wrote in my other post.
[gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work
On 05/22/2010 02:24 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS support and use ALSA or Pulse instead. sure? Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.htm l PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as a dep :-/ Will file a bug about it. As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot compete with OSS4's vmix. But it isn't worse than stand-alone ALSA+dmix though, which is surprising. Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working. That is, it loads OK, but there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend. The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops and crackles). Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA? I tried to set "audio.driver:alsa" in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still no sound. yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA. "audio.driver:pulse" also doesn't work :-/ Why again are you wasting your time with PA? Because people claim ALSA+Pulse is better than OSS4. So I ought to actually try it "with a correct setup, unlike the broken Ubuntu setup", or else everyone will keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about. really? There are people claiming that? ok, everything is better than OSS4 - but PA? That crap is almost as bad as ESD. Well if I'm going to use ALSA I need something that gives me per-application volume control since ALSA is too broken to even provide that while the rest of the world moved on.
[gentoo-user] Re: Can't get PulseAudio to work
On 05/22/2010 04:03 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 02:24 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 01:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/22/2010 12:34 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: This installed PulseAudio and rebuilt all applications to drop OSS support and use ALSA or Pulse instead. sure? Never mind, found the problem after googling a lot: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2010-January/023768.h tm l PA does not work without ConsoleKit, yet the ebuild did not pull CK as a dep :-/ Will file a bug about it. As for the results, it's pretty much as I expected: latency cannot compete with OSS4's vmix. But it isn't worse than stand-alone ALSA+dmix though, which is surprising. Another problem: Amarok 2 stopped working. That is, it loads OK, but there's no sound at all when playing something with the Xine backend. The Gstreamer backend works, but (as always) sound quality sucks (pops and crackles). Any way to get Phonon-Xine to work with PA? I tried to set "audio.driver:alsa" in ~/.xine/config, but to no avail; still no sound. yeah, with that set it tries to use alsa, not PA. "audio.driver:pulse" also doesn't work :-/ Why again are you wasting your time with PA? Because people claim ALSA+Pulse is better than OSS4. So I ought to actually try it "with a correct setup, unlike the broken Ubuntu setup", or else everyone will keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about. really? There are people claiming that? ok, everything is better than OSS4 - but PA? That crap is almost as bad as ESD. Well if I'm going to use ALSA I need something that gives me per-application volume control since ALSA is too broken to even provide that while the rest of the world moved on. oh yeah, one other thing: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Softvol ALSA CAN control the volume of every single app. You just choose to ignore it. Or you chose not to look for it. Either way, it is there. Without the inherent brokenness of OSS4 You live in your own little world, Armin. That has nothing to do with per-app volume. You're as ignorant as ever and I must ask myself why I choose to waste time talking with you, over and over again. This discussion is over. Welcome to my killfile. *plonk*
[gentoo-user] Re: Phonon + PulseAudio Problem
On 05/22/2010 07:59 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Latency is the delay between giving the order to play a sound and the sound actually being played. It's usually around 30ms here with ALSA/dmix, and around 10ms with OSS/vmix. It's not funny trying to play something in a software synth with a keyboard when having a 30ms latency. As I said, you're doing it wrong. No "normal" (average desktop, media center, laptop, linux-phone) user needs 10ms of latency in audio. That's overkill. Yours is a special case, and you need special software. Try Jack. I don't do professional audio. I have a normal PC. And just like I sometimes use a synth in Windows (I'm just a hobbyist), I'd like to do the same in Linux. Windows: I don't need Jack there. Audio latency is low even with non-ASIO drivers. Linux: I suddenly need "Jack" and specialty hacks and must do without a mixer! No thanks. OSSv4 allows me to use my machine in the same manner as Windows: It just works and does the right thing regardless of the application I'm running. ALSA/Pulse needing third-party stuff just to get basics right (acceptable latency; not *ultra* low latency, just acceptable one) is a sign that they're not designed right. And OSS4 dying because of kernel-mixing is a bit far-stretched. "No FP mixing in kernel" is Linux-specific. Other kernels don't have a problem with that. And in the end, you know what? Even if OSS4 had a broken design, it's still better, because it works better. At least it gets the basics right. Other operating systems are much more advanced in that manner. It's ALSA that holds Linux audio back.
[gentoo-user] Re: change memory speed?
On 06/03/2010 10:20 AM, Grant wrote: I have my DDR800 RAM specifically set to DDR800 in the BIOS, but I get: # lshw -short -C memory H/W path Device Class Description = /0/0 memory 64KiB BIOS /0/3/5 memory 256KiB L1 cache /0/3/6 memory 1MiB L2 cache /0/24 memory 4GiB System Memory /0/24/0memory 2GiB DIMM DDR2 Synchronous 400 MHz (2.5 ns) /0/24/1memory 2GiB DIMM DDR2 Synchronous 400 MHz (2.5 ns) /0/24/2memory DIMM [empty] /0/24/3memory DIMM [empty] /0/4 memory RAM memory /0/1.2 memory RAM memory /0/1.4 memory RAM memory Does anyone know how to set the memory speed to 800 Mhz? DDR800 runs at 400Mhz, so everything is fine. For more details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR2_SDRAM#Chips_and_modules
