[gentoo-user] DHClient Woes - No Modules Loaded?
Proof: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep -nr "dhclient" ./archival [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ I have been getting annoyed at dhcpcd, which will take 180 seconds to ping even if there isn't a networking cable in my NIC. I use a laptop, so you can easily speculate how I got so annoyed. I know that Kubuntu had the ability to detect whether there was a cable in my laptop and ping accordingly. I looked at my Kubuntu workstation and found that it's using dhclient. I installed dhcpd on my laptop and tried my best to make it work. I got the following: localhost lsauron # rc-update -s 855resolution | acpid | battery default apache2 | apmd| apmiser| aumix | bootmisc | boot checkfs | boot checkroot | boot clock | boot coldplug | boot consolefont | boot crypto-loop | cupsd | battery default cvsd | dbus| dhcpd|<-- I understand this runs a DHCP server, not a client. dhcrelay | distccd| domainname | battery boot default esound | famd| gkrellmd| gpm| hald| default hdapsd|boot default hdparm| hostname|boot hotplug| inetd| keymaps| boot laptop_mode|battery boot default lisa| local|battery default nonetwork localmount|boot modules|boot mysql| net.eth0|battery default net.lo | boot netmount |battery default nscd| numlock| portmap| pwcheck| reslisa| rmologin|boot rsyncd| samba|battery default saslauthd| spamd| splash| sshd| syslog-ng| battery default urandom| boot vixie-cron|battery default xdm | battery default If there's anything wrong there, I'd love to know : ) Also, just as proof that I'm not a total and complete idiot: localhost lsauron # cat /etc/conf.d/net iface_eth0="dhclient" iface_eth1="dhclient" iface_eth2="dhclient" iface_eth3="dhclient" iface_eth4="dhclient" dhclient_eth0="" Once again, if I'm doing anything wrong... please tell me. I did check the gentoo-wiki, and found a most excellent how-to for running dhcpd to make my own dhcp server, however, comcast hates it when people do stuff like that because it compromises their network speed (what's left of it, anyways). I've done my job, and tried my best. I now look to the more wise and experienced to help. Thanks in advance for any insights! (PS: whoever made rc-update, you're a genius! Wish I had it on Kubuntu!) -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpofEM5MID8C.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Possible new gentoo user
On Sunday 01 October 2006 11:08, Terry Eck wrote: > I've been a SuSE user for several years now currently running 10.0. > I'm interested in giving gentoo a try with the object of converting > from SuSE to gentoo. I've been looking at this list for a couple of > weeks and have determined that there may be a steep learning curve > on my part converting. Any words of advice on getting up to speed > using gentoo before I install it. > > Thanks for any advice you might be able to give me. > > Terry Eck > > -- > SUSE LINUX 10.0 (i586) -- 2.6.13-15.12-default -- Sun 10/01/06 >1:00pm up 16:53, 3 users, load average: 0.79, 0.54, 0.37 For your first time I'd highly suggest the graphical installer. It'll save you some time, and while a lot of people correctly point out that it robs you of a great learning experience, it was the only thing that enabled a complete newbie (me) to successfully install gentoo. Once you've got Gentoo installed though... it's almost invulnerable. I've done some really dumb things to my installation, and I've always been able (with a great deal of help from this list) to restore my machine to working order. I also have to say that your memory footprint will get smaller with gentoo. The stuff you compile is much more suited to your setup if you spend the time to tweak your system. It has some excellent tools for administering your system, and I haven't had a stability problem yet (Kubuntu is more error-prone than Gentoo - no joke.) If you're up to the challenge, Gentoo is wonderful. I love it so much I installed it on my server. Also, for a threaded mail client, KMail*, Thunderbird, and even MS Outlook Express have threaded features. If you're interested in GMail, I'd be happy to send you an invite. *Coming from a happy and satisfied (even spoiled) KMail user. Worth a try if nothing else. -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpauXUu9SJua.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] DHClient Woes - No Modules Loaded?
On Sunday 01 October 2006 13:48, Jan-Hendrik Zab wrote: > On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 11:44:42 -0700 > > Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Proof: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep -nr "dhclient" ./archival > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ > > > > I have been getting annoyed at dhcpcd, which will take 180 seconds > > to ping even if there isn't a networking cable in my NIC. I use a > > laptop, so you can easily speculate how I got so annoyed. > > > > I know that Kubuntu had the ability to detect whether there was a > > cable in my laptop and ping accordingly. I looked at my Kubuntu > > workstation and found that it's using dhclient. I installed dhcpd > > on my laptop and tried my best to make it work. I got the > > following: > > [snip] > > Well, maybe I just misunderstood you, anyway... You could try pump > (the fastest/best dhcp client I know of :-) and ifplug, the latter > starts the wired ethernet interfaces when they get a link. Back with DHCPCD, but I haven't unmerged dhclient yet ; ) I'm going to take your word and try ifplug, however, I installed it and it doesn't work. Still pings up /dev/null for all it's doing. I even went to rc-update and had it start at boot, though that didn't work. My guess is that it's trying to use net.lo (the loopback device) and thinks that that's plugged in therefore it tries to ping on everything else. Any suggestions? > PPS. > The iface_eth interface is completely out of date, take a _very_ good > look at `/etc/conf.d/net.example'. I did, I updated it as best I could. -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpaqpXJJj26S.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] DHClient Woes - No Modules Loaded?
On Sunday 01 October 2006 21:56, Ryan Tandy wrote: > Lord Sauron wrote: > > On Sunday 01 October 2006 13:48, Jan-Hendrik Zab wrote: > >> PPS. > >> The iface_eth interface is completely out of date, take a _very_ > >> good look at `/etc/conf.d/net.example'. > > > > I did, I updated it as best I could. > > Well, could we take a look at it? > > $ grep -v '^#' /etc/conf.d/net modules_eth0=( "dhcpcd" ) iface_eth0=( "dhcpcd" ) config_eth0=( "dhcp" ) Not exactly sure if it's totally right, however, it doesn't give me an error message, though I suspect I'm really close to getting one ; ) Hazarding a guess as to what would get ifplugd to work: modules_eth0=( "dhcpcd", "ifplug" ) # or ifplugd, I don't really know # which Thanks for your time! -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpheBvn69Ofb.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] ipw2100 problems - ieee80211?
They're going to install wireless in my school so I guess I better get this working sometime soon : ) I isolated my problem to this: emerge ipw2100 ties in ieee80211, and that fails to compile because it says that the current kernel cannot have the option IEEE80211 in either module or enabled. It needs it disabled. I tried to use menuconfig and disable it, however, the only way I can do that is by literally disabling ALL networking - drivers and all. Kernel is kernel 2.6.17-gentoo-r8. I'm considering editing the makefile and removing its dependency on that blasted kernel configuration setting! If anyone knows a better/easier way, please help! I read all the docs on ieee80211.sf.net and ipw2100.sf.net but nothing there that I could find helped. Thanks in advance for any help - I really appreciate it! -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpqnQELQjDqd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] ipw2100 problems - ieee80211?
On Wednesday 11 October 2006 21:11, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: > On Thursday 12 October 2006 06:00, Lord Sauron wrote: > [SNIP] > > > I isolated my problem to this: > > > > emerge ipw2100 ties in ieee80211, and that fails to compile because > > it says that the current kernel cannot have the option IEEE80211 in > > either module or enabled. It needs it disabled. > > > > I tried to use menuconfig and disable it, however, the only way I > > can do that is by literally disabling ALL networking - drivers and > > all. > > > > Kernel is kernel 2.6.17-gentoo-r8. > > [SNIP] > > > If anyone knows a better/easier way, please help! > > [SNIP] > > As of kernel 2.6.17 ipw2100 has been included in the kernel. Hence > you shouldn't install either of net-wireless/ieee80211 or > net-wireless/ipw2100. You still need to have > net-wireless/ipw2100-firmware emerged though. I believe these are the > kernel options you need (it works for me): > > $ zgrep IPW2100\\\|IEEE80211 /proc/config.gz > CONFIG_IEEE80211=m > # CONFIG_IEEE80211_DEBUG is not set > CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_WEP=m > CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_CCMP=m > CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_TKIP=m > # CONFIG_IEEE80211_SOFTMAC is not set > CONFIG_IPW2100=m > # CONFIG_IPW2100_MONITOR is not set > # CONFIG_IPW2100_DEBUG is not set The curious thing is that the firmware is installed. I'm trying those exact configuration settings now. I hope that works, otherwise I'm really in for quite a mess! Is it at all possible that the driver is installed and working, and that I don't have whatever it takes to activate and use it? For my wired ethernet card, there's a thing called net.eth0 and all that rot. When I get the wireless driver working, how will I create net.wlan0 or net.eth1 or whatever it is? I've not no experience there, and I've been searching rather diligently for a how-to or instruction set to help me with that. I find it hard to think that something like that will generate itself ex nihlo, to say the least : ) -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgpd2G9yrGdOW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] ipw2100 problems - ieee80211?
On Wednesday 11 October 2006 21:45, Trenton Adams wrote: > You create net.eth0, or whatever, by linking /etc/init.d/net.ethX to > /etc/init.d/net.lo The driver will create the actual kernel device > name of eth0, ath0, or whatever, and then your link will make it > work. Makes sense. How do I do that? I'm a little dense here: how would I do that? Is there some special command? Do I copy the thing and rename it? Do I do the funky Gentoo dance and burn a sacrificial hard drive to the gods of the IBM DeathStar hard drives and hope it'll work in a week? Just kidding about that last one, but I'm know where you're going, just not how to get there ; ) Thanks for your help, by the way - wouldn't have gotten past the funky Gentoo dance w/o you : ) -- http://lordsauronthegreat.googlepages.com/ pgp6wzeL8py0B.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] ipw2100 problems - ieee80211?
On Wednesday 11 October 2006 23:04, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> On Thursday 12 October 2006 06:39, Lord Sauron wrote:
> > > $ zgrep IPW2100\\\|IEEE80211 /proc/config.gz
> > > CONFIG_IEEE80211=m
> > > # CONFIG_IEEE80211_DEBUG is not set
> > > CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_WEP=m
> > > CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_CCMP=m
> > > CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_TKIP=m
> > > # CONFIG_IEEE80211_SOFTMAC is not set
> > > CONFIG_IPW2100=m
> > > # CONFIG_IPW2100_MONITOR is not set
> > > # CONFIG_IPW2100_DEBUG is not set
>
> According to [1] I forgot a few (at least those):
>
> CONFIG_FW_LOADER=m
> CONFIG_NET_RADIO=y
> CONFIG_CRYPTO=y
> CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4=m
> CONFIG_CRC32=y
I'll look for those as well.
I tried the first part and it works now. It decided to work as eth1 I
think. No, I need to create the symlink. That's funny, I never
noticed eth0 was a link to net.lo... learn new things every day.
> # ln -s /etc/init.d/net.{lo,eth1}
>
> [1] http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/INSTALL
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[gentoo-user] Scary Paritioning - Need Help
This isn't exactly Gentoo-related, however, you guys tend to be the most command-line savvy group, and this is all about the command line at the moment... I have three partitions on my workstation's hard drive. /dev/sda1 = ntfs (windows) /dev/sda3 = linux-swap /dev/sda4 = ext3 (SuSE 10.1) Where sda2 should be used to be and XFS partition for Kubuntu. My question is thus: how would I tack that free space onto sda4? I don't want to reinstall SuSE if I don't have to. Throwing out an educated guess, do I have to delete sda3, and then make sda4 bigger, leaving enough space for sda5 (linux-swap)? I'm just throwing that idea out there, 'cause I don't know. I'm using a Kubuntu Live-CD, for those who might ask. I considered a Gentoo live-cd, but I couldn't find any copies so I was sort of stuck. Thanks for any help! -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Scary Paritioning - Need Help
On 10/19/06, Norberto Bensa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Joe Menola wrote: > If you delete sda3, sda4 then becomes sda3, Nope. Partitions below 5 are primary partitions. If you delete one of them, nothing changes. Perhaps I undertood OP incorrectly and he wants to move sda4 to sda3. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> cat /etc/fstab /dev/sda4/ext3 acl,user_xattr1 1 /dev/sda3swap swap defaults 0 0 ### bunch of free space /dev/sda1/media/sda1 ntfs ro,users,gid=users,umask=0002,nls=utf8 That's what's happening. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Scary Paritioning - Need Help
On 10/21/06, Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: · Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I'm just scared to > use it because I don't know how. Read the man page. The easiest usage (and I assume most common) is: I did read the man page. The whole thing. If counfused the heck out of me. I just got so scared I'd start writing over blocks belonging to another partition or something... What I ended up doing was backing up all my data to DVD (something I should do periodically anyways) and then reinstalling the whole OS. Works just fine, and I got rid of a whole mess of junk I installed and then found out that I don't want installed. BTW: One of the most valuable tips already given in this thread was to use EVMS or LVM. With EVMS or LVM, you just don't have problems like this. Next time I'm installing a system I'll look for that. I know LVM is a very powerful tool, but I haven't used it yet. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] net.eth0 starting yet not starting
Weird problem. On my server net.eth0 isn't starting, yet it is. During boot it goes through the normal routine, it starts net.lo and everything, however, then it goes into runlevel 3 and then all my services fail (apache, sshd, ddclient, etc), complaining that net.eth0 isn't running. I log in and try to start net.eth0 and it tells me that it's already running! I tried adding net.eth0 to runlevel boot, boot and default, and then just default, but it still doesn't work. Does anyone know what is going on? This is really confusing me. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 starting yet not starting
On 10/24/06, Roger Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, "Lord Sauron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Weird problem. > > On my server net.eth0 isn't starting, yet it is. > > During boot it goes through the normal routine, it starts net.lo and > everything, however, then it goes into runlevel 3 and then all my > services fail (apache, sshd, ddclient, etc), complaining that net.eth0 > isn't running. I log in and try to start net.eth0 and it tells me > that it's already running! Have you tried zapping net.eth0 then restarting it? /etc/init.d/net.eth0 zap /etc/init.d/net.eth0 start /etc/init.d/sshd start etc... Well, this is happening all at boot before login, so I want to fix it there so that sshd start at boot so I can hide the server in the garage and administer it remotely. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 starting yet not starting
On 10/24/06, Juan Miguel Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lord Sauron wrote: > Weird problem. > > On my server net.eth0 isn't starting, yet it is. > > During boot it goes through the normal routine, it starts net.lo and > everything, however, then it goes into runlevel 3 and then all my > services fail (apache, sshd, ddclient, etc), complaining that net.eth0 > isn't running. I log in and try to start net.eth0 and it tells me > that it's already running! > > I tried adding net.eth0 to runlevel boot, boot and default, and then > just default, but it still doesn't work. Does anyone know what is > going on? This is really confusing me. > Hi try to fix in the kernel the module of your net card like * and not like M i think that can be one way I'll go do that once I get home. I hadn't thought of that. Any other possible causes? I mean, if that doesn't work, I may have to take Gentoo off the server and use something else : ( -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 starting yet not starting
Didn't work. Does anyone know what could be going on? This is really odd... I have this feeling that I'm in way over my head. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] net.eth0 starting yet not starting
On 10/25/06, Robert Svoboda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-10-24 11:18]: > During boot it goes through the normal routine, it starts net.lo and > everything, however, then it goes into runlevel 3 and then all my > services fail (apache, sshd, ddclient, etc), complaining that net.eth0 > isn't running. I log in and try to start net.eth0 and it tells me > that it's already running! have you tried ifconfig? that command shows whether your eth0 is up, have IP assigned and other things, post result here if unsure what does dmesg say about your network card? Alright, your original recompile of the kernel fix does work. I just automatically installed the wrong driver. I'm used to hacking my Athlon64 to death, so I installed the forcedeth driver. Wrong! I needed some PCI drivers for 3Com/Linksys PCI cards. My mistake. It works just fine now. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AIGLX responseness (WAS: libGL issues & AIGLX slowness)
Be sure DRI is working. use glxinfo if you need to verify if it's active. If you don't have DRI working, then most of the graphics will be done on CPU. Or at least that's how my laptop did it. On 10/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10/29/06, Tomáš Bartoň <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 29 October 2006 13:36, Marco Calviani wrote: > > Hi list, > > the slowness of AIGLX was due to the fact that i was running > > xorg-server without enabling the aiglx flag. After having enabled it > > xorg started running with AIGLX (using compiz or beryl). > > Although the system is quite usable there is still an issue: i thought > > the system would have relied completely on video card acceleration. > > However whenever i run an AIGLX effect such as the cube or just window > > moving the CPU goes up to 80-90% during all the time the effect is > > running. This behaviour makes the system A LOT less responsive than it > > is without AIGLX. > > Is this a known issue? > > > > Thanks a lot, > > MC > > I tkink its normal. I run beryl with NVidia driver and when I move a window or > something the CPU goes up to 100% ... Hmm, I also have an nvidia GPU, and my system doesn't exhibit this behavior. Of course, I get the black-windows bug due to a memory leak in the drivers, but certainly no excessive CPU usage for any of the beryl effects. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel
Hi, I'm very very new to Gentoo. I managed to squeak through a install from the live CD, however, this gave me a kernel with little or no ACPI support - I have a laptop, so I'd like to have this support enabled. However, I don't know how to rebuild the kernel, or do so enabling ACPI support. I only know a few precious things about emerge, like --sync, --search, and even --help, but beyond that I'm not that good at all, and the man pages didn't offer much help for me. I know this is a painfully elementary question, but thanks for any help you can give! == Lord Sauron the Great = == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 == www.geekcode.com === -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel
On 3/24/06, Teresa and Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gabriel Dain wrote: > > >>However, I don't know how to rebuild the kernel > >> > >> > > > ># cd /usr/src/linux Know how to do that... > ># make menuconfig I don't see a file called "menuconfig" in here. Will this work? All I see (that looks relevant) is Makefile, include/ and kernel/ > > No clue whatsoever how to do that. I've never built a kernel before, not on Debian, not on Red Hat, not on anything. > ># make && make modules_install What'll that do? Make and make modules_install? I don't see anything called "modules_install" either. > Addition: > > cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/bzImage I think mine is a i686... I think I should say that I did just take the kernel off the live CD... I wasn't brave enough (at the time) to build a kernel. > Then add it or change it in bootloader, grub is easier on this one. ;-) I use grup. > Then . . . . > > ># reboot > > > >that should do it, if support is what you need. However, this will > >probably be more useful: > > > ># emerge -av acpid Okay... > >and read this for help on configuring it: > >http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_ACPI_basic_configuration Did so. However, the Battery Monitor for KDE still tells me to rebuild my kernel with this ACPI enabled, most specifically "AC Adaptor" and "Control Method Battery," though if it'll support more then I'd certainly love to do that. > >Gabriel Dain > > > > > > > > Other than that, pretty good start. May need more help though since you > are new to this. Welcome to Gentoo Linux. You'll get over that feeling > of being a 'long tail cat in a room full of rocking chairs' after a > while. LOL I've been using Debian (Debian and Kubuntu) for the past 5 months or so to build my skills to the point that I can squeak through Gentoo with only minor injuries : ) I'm also in that odd area of learning C++ where I'm not ultra-good, but I'm not clueless, either : ) So eventually I'll be attempting to interrogate all of you about these fascinating bash scripts. Even so, I'm really loving Gentoo it leaves a smaller memory footprint than even Debian! Coming from ten years of Windows use, that's like... going to heaven without having to die, really. Thanks for your help. I'll try and see if I can get this to work the easy way. Also, emerge now tells me that I have 19 config files in /etc to be updated. How would I go about doing that? emerge --help config confused me more than anything else (that was what emerge reccommended I do). -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel
Hah! Think I found my problem! Correct me if I'm wrong! I just was reading some documentation using KDE Help Centre and found this thing called APMD. I tried typing "apmd" into Konsole, and it said "No APM support in kernel." Does this mean this is going to be as easy as "emerge apmd"? On 3/24/06, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/24/06, Teresa and Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gabriel Dain wrote: > > > > >>However, I don't know how to rebuild the kernel > > >> > > >> > > > > > ># cd /usr/src/linux > > Know how to do that... > > > ># make menuconfig > > I don't see a file called "menuconfig" in here. Will this work? All > I see (that looks relevant) is Makefile, include/ and kernel/ > > > > > > No clue whatsoever how to do that. I've never built a kernel before, > not on Debian, not on Red Hat, not on anything. > > > ># make && make modules_install > > What'll that do? Make and make modules_install? I don't see anything > called "modules_install" either. > > > Addition: > > > > cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/bzImage > > I think mine is a i686... I think I should say that I did just take > the kernel off the live CD... I wasn't brave enough (at the time) to > build a kernel. > > > Then add it or change it in bootloader, grub is easier on this one. ;-) > > I use grup. > > > Then . . . . > > > > ># reboot > > > > > >that should do it, if support is what you need. However, this will > > >probably be more useful: > > > > > ># emerge -av acpid > > Okay... > > > >and read this for help on configuring it: > > >http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_ACPI_basic_configuration > > Did so. However, the Battery Monitor for KDE still tells me to > rebuild my kernel with this ACPI enabled, most specifically "AC > Adaptor" and "Control Method Battery," though if it'll support more > then I'd certainly love to do that. > > > >Gabriel Dain > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, pretty good start. May need more help though since you > > are new to this. Welcome to Gentoo Linux. You'll get over that feeling > > of being a 'long tail cat in a room full of rocking chairs' after a > > while. LOL > > I've been using Debian (Debian and Kubuntu) for the past 5 months or > so to build my skills to the point that I can squeak through Gentoo > with only minor injuries : ) I'm also in that odd area of learning > C++ where I'm not ultra-good, but I'm not clueless, either : ) So > eventually I'll be attempting to interrogate all of you about these > fascinating bash scripts. > > Even so, I'm really loving Gentoo it leaves a smaller memory > footprint than even Debian! Coming from ten years of Windows use, > that's like... going to heaven without having to die, really. > > Thanks for your help. I'll try and see if I can get this to work the easy > way. > > Also, emerge now tells me that I have 19 config files in /etc to be > updated. How would I go about doing that? emerge --help config > confused me more than anything else (that was what emerge reccommended > I do). > > -- > == GCv3.12 == > GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ > L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ > V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ > DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y > = END GCv3.12 > -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel
On 3/24/06, Teresa and Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lord Sauron wrote: > > >On 3/24/06, Teresa and Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>Gabriel Dain wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>>However, I don't know how to rebuild the kernel > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>># cd /usr/src/linux > >>> > >>> > > > >Know how to do that... > > > > > > > >>># make menuconfig > >>> > >>> > > > >I don't see a file called "menuconfig" in here. Will this work? All > >I see (that looks relevant) is Makefile, include/ and kernel/ > > > > > > You don't see that as a file, it is a command. Just type it in and a > new screen comes up to configure the kernel with. Use the arrow keys to > navigate around. I use the space bar to toggle what I want it to do as > far as modules or build in. Some of this may not make sense until you > are in there. Once you see it, it will clear up a bit. It took be > about 10 tries to get a stable kernel the first time I did it. Now, if > I know the hard ware, twice is about the most tries I need. I usually > hit it the first time. Ah, okay. That makes sense. > > > > > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > >No clue whatsoever how to do that. I've never built a kernel before, > >not on Debian, not on Red Hat, not on anything. > > > > > > > >>># make && make modules_install > >>> > >>> > > > >What'll that do? Make and make modules_install? I don't see anything > >called "modules_install" either. > > > > > > When you type in make, it builds the kernel itself and creates a > bzImage, it also makes the modules. BzImage is the kernel. That is the > first thing the OS itself loads up to boot, yes, windoze has one too. > Make modules_install installs any modules that were built during the > make command. > > > > > > >>Addition: > >> > >>cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/bzImage > >> > >> > > > >I think mine is a i686... I think I should say that I did just take > >the kernel off the live CD... I wasn't brave enough (at the time) to > >build a kernel. > > > > > > It is the same for them all. My rig is i686 too but the kernel in i386 > is what you use. > > > > > > >>Then add it or change it in bootloader, grub is easier on this one. ;-) > >> > >> > > > >I use grup. > > > > > > Either they have a new bootloader or you mean grub. I have used Lilo > and now use grub. IMHO, grub is better. Yes, I mean grub. I had a small technical difficulty : ) > > > > > > > I hope some of this makes sense. I have been where you are now and it > is a bit . . . . scary. Hmm... maybe not scary as much as being assaulted with too many new things all at once. It makes it very hard to find where to dip your toe into the larger pool of information. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel
On 3/25/06, Teresa and Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lord Sauron wrote: > > > > >>Either they have a new bootloader or you mean grub. I have used Lilo > >>and now use grub. IMHO, grub is better. > >> > >> > > > >Yes, I mean grub. I had a small technical difficulty : ) > > > > > > For me, that would be not being able to type worth a hoot. My sig on > the forums says I can't type good. > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >>I hope some of this makes sense. I have been where you are now and it > >>is a bit . . . . scary. > >> > >> > > > >Hmm... maybe not scary as much as being assaulted with too many new > >things all at once. It makes it very hard to find where to dip your > >toe into the larger pool of information. > > > >-- > >== GCv3.12 == > >GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ > >L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ > >V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ > >DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y > >= END GCv3.12 > > > > > > > > Wl, this Gentoo Linux. I can tell you that once you get Gentoo > up and running, it is awesome. I have used Mandrake and it was OK until > it came time to upgrade. It also didn't teach me much. Installing > Gentoo taught me a lot. It takes time but it is worth it in the end. You think it taught you a lot? You should see how much I've learned from it! > There are also some good folks on here and the forums to help get you > through. Just hope you like to search and read a lot. Forums are a > great place to search. Yeah, I got lots of good comments from others about how great the Gentoo community was/is. > > Go here: www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/3196/5/ and read > this section: "4.3. Configuring the kernel" That should help. That is > a old guide for the older kernels but some of it still applies. That > should help you a lot though. Yeah, I did what you told me to do with the make install_whatevers and then rebooted and I got what I think is vanilla X - no GDM, KDM, or anything. It's sorta cool, 'cause they give you an xterm and nothing else, but at the same time I want my KDE back. Anyone know what to do here? init.d says has these things: acpid crypto-loop gpm localmount pwcheck shutdown.sh apmd cupsd halt.sh modules reboot.sh spamd bootmisc depscan.sh hdparm net.eth0 reslisa sshd checkfs distccd hostname net.lo rmnologin syslog-ng checkroot domainname hotplug netmount rsyncd urandom clock esound keymaps nscd runscript.sh vixie-cron coldplug fand lisa numlock samba xdm consolefont functions.sh local portmap sasauthd I tried xdm restart, xdm start, and am about to try xdm stop to see if I can get the normal GDM login screen (which will then start KDE - yay!) However, I'm not sure what to do if that fails. I know that there's a xinit something or other somewhere that I should put startkde in, but I'm not sure where or what to do now. I learned about xinit and startkde a long while ago on Debian when I didn't know that hitting spacebar selects a checkbox. I ended up installing the base Debian system - nothing extra. It was interesting, my first time on Linux with nothing but me and the console. Luckily I managed to beat my way through the problem after about a week. > Hope that helps. Keep your chin up. Yeah, don't worry - I don't stop until it's done. Thanks for your help! -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel
Found xinit! However... it's very... confusing. Well, not confusing; I understand most of it, however, I'm just not prepared to start carving it up - I don't want to know how bad I can screw things up. I think that if I go to ~/.xinit.d it'll be the thing I'm looking for, but I'm not sure. Here's a copy of the file I found for you to try and tell me if I'm right - I'm going to explore the aforementioned file and see if that's something good. I'll also work on removing apmd. Would this be something like emerge --unmerge apmd? Or am I off the mark? xinitrc Description: Binary data
Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel
On 3/25/06, Josh Helmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 25 March 2006 21:58, Peter Ruskin wrote: > > On Saturday 25 March 2006 21:22, Lord Sauron wrote: > > > Found xinit! However... it's very... confusing. > > > > What you want is a file called .xsession in your home directory. > > Mine just contains: > > > > #!/bin/sh > > `which startkde` > > Why not just: > > #!/bin/sh > startkde > > If 'which' can find startkde then it must be in the PATH. Yeah, I'm trying that now. When you say "home directory" you mean /home/lsauron (my default user), right? -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel
On 3/26/06, Gabriel Dain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "home directory" is ~. Get used to writing ~ for the home directory, > so that your scripts/apps/whatever are "plug n play" for all users. Yeah, it's just that I normally use my non-root account lsauron, however, I sometimes will open a Xnest window and come in as root for this or that, so I want to ensure that the same things work for both user accounts. I think that by now I'm down to just how to compile and update my kernel with the ACPI stuff enabled. I don't think that the last time I tried that it worked, because it still tells me (KDE's Control Centre) that ACPI support is not compiled into the kernel and that I need to recompile with that stuff in the kernel. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel
On 3/26/06, Teresa and Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gabriel Dain wrote: > > >Are you sure you compiled it as embbeded, and not module? (* or M in > >menuconfig). If it is M, you'll have to load the module, and add it to > >the list of modules that are loaded at startup. > >-- > >Gabriel Dain > > > > > > > > I'll take some time to clarify this more. This is a copy and paste of my > kernel config for the ACPI stuff. > > > Linux Kernel v2.6.14-gentoo-r5 Configuration > > > > ┌── ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) Support > > ──┐ > > │ Arrow keys navigate the menu. selects submenus --->. > > Highlighted │ > > │ letters are hotkeys. Pressing includes, excludes, > > modularizes │ > > │ features. Press to exit, for Help, for Search. > > Legend: │ > > │ [*] built-in [ ] excluded module < > module capable │ > > │ > > ┌───┐ > > │ > > │ │[*] ACPI Support │ │ Yes, that is the same as my config. > > │ │[ ] Sleep States │ │ > > │ │< > AC Adapter │ │ > > │ │ Battery │ │ I had this set to be compiled into the kernel. Should that present any problems? > > │ │<*> Button │ │ > > │ │< > Video │ │ > > │ │< > Generic Hotkey (EXPERIMENTAL) │ │ > > │ │< > Fan │ │ > > │ │< > Processor │ │ > > │ │< > ASUS/Medion Laptop Extras │ │ > > │ │< > IBM ThinkPad Laptop Extras │ │ I had this enabled (compiled into kernel) since I do own a IBM X40. > > │ │< > Toshiba Laptop Extras │ │ > > │ │(0) Disable ACPI for systems before Jan 1st this year (NEW) │ │ What on earth is this? I read the descriptor, but it didn't help me much... > > │ │[ ] Debug Statements (NEW) │ │ > > │ │[ ] Power Management Timer Support │ │ > > │ > > └┴(+)───┘ > > │ > > ├───┤ > > │ < Exit > < Help > │ > > └───┘ > > > > > > It's not the best, but it should help anyway. Do you see the * to the > left of ACPI Support? That means that that is compiled into the kernel. > The same for Button. See the M to the left of Battery? That means it is > compiled as a module and has to be loaded when you boot up or whenever > you need to use. The ones that have nothing in there, they are not in > the kernel at all. Oh, do you see the little + sign at the bottom right > under Power Management Timer Support? That means there is more below. > You can use the down arrow to scroll down and it will come up. > > As it says up at the top, you can press "y" to compile it in, press "m" > to have it as a module or press "n" to leave it out. You can also swith > through them with the space bar. There are a lot of gurus here that may > disagree with this, but I have no modules for my kernel unless I have to > have it for some reason. I did have modules for my temp sensors but that > was so I could reset it without rebooting. I'm sure someone will come in > with 100 reasons to have modules and some others will have reasons not > too. I say do it like you need to and whatever makes you and the system > happy. I'm just going to try compiling stuff into the kernel first, before I try and tinker. > When you make a new kernel, don't remove the old one. Since it does boot > up, you can use it to fall back on in case your new one fails for some > reason. Just give it a different name from the old one when you copy it > over. I do mine names like this: So, I should rename one of my kernels and try and see which one is which? Or am I still off the mark? It didn't look like it compiled the kernel... I think it should have taken longer, but it didn't. I may be missing a step. : / > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # ls -al /boot/bzI* > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2196613 Sep 18 2005 /boot/bzImage-gen-2.6.12-1 > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2224482 Dec 20 20:31 /boot/bzImage-gen-2.6.14-4 > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2225130 Dec 27 04:50 /boot/bzImage-gen-2.6.14-5 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # > > > I currently have three kernels that I can boot if one of them gets > corrupted or something. The last digit is like a version number for me. > If you can't boot the old one, you can hit "e" twice when grub comes up > and then use the arrow keys to edit which kernel you want to boot. It > can save you a lot of headaches too. After you edit that, you just hit > return and then hit the "b" key to boot it up. If it gives you a grub > error, just hit the escape (Esc) key to go back and try again. Just a question: if the support is made to be as a module (M, instead of *) does that mean that you have to add something like "doacpi" to the boot parameters? > Another thing you may not know, you can hit the tab key to complete a > lot of commands too. That includes on the grub screen. If you know it is > bzImage somet
Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel
On 3/27/06, Teresa and Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lord Sauron wrote: > > >On 3/26/06, Teresa and Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >I had this set to be compiled into the kernel. Should that present > >any problems? > > > > > > Most things do not matter. You can do either way. There are some > things that I have seen that must be modules and some things, like file > systems, that must be compiled in. Example on the last one, I use > reiserfs for my files system including root. If I have reiserfs as a > module, the kernel will not be able to read my root partition to boot > up. For that reason, I have to compile it in so it can read the root > partition. IF I had say a data partition that used XFS, I could make > that a module if I wanted to. The system will boot up and then load all > the modules so it can read the other file systems. Clever. > One reason some use modules is that you can update them or do bug fixes > without rebooting. You just unload the module, update it, then reload > it again. This is usually something that folks like me and you do not > have to worry about though. Extremely clever. I'll have to remeber cool tricks like that when I'm working with my own server... > >>>│ │<*> Button │ │ > >>>│ │< > Video │ │ > >>>│ │< > Generic Hotkey (EXPERIMENTAL) │ │ > >>>│ │< > Fan │ │ > >>>│ │< > Processor │ │ > >>>│ │< > ASUS/Medion Laptop Extras │ │ > >>>│ │< > IBM ThinkPad Laptop Extras │ │ > >>> > >>> > > > >I had this enabled (compiled into kernel) since I do own a IBM X40. > > > > > > > >>>│ │< > Toshiba Laptop Extras │ │ > >>>│ │(0) Disable ACPI for systems before Jan 1st this year (NEW) │ │ > >>> > >>> > > > >What on earth is this? I read the descriptor, but it didn't help me much... > > > > > > From what I have read, some systems do not support ACPI at all. They > will not work, or maybe they blow up or something. I assume that there > is some way for it to know when it was made and it will disable it if it > is before that date. I'm not really sure either. Oh... that makes sense. > >>As it says up at the top, you can press "y" to compile it in, press "m" > >>to have it as a module or press "n" to leave it out. You can also swith > >>through them with the space bar. There are a lot of gurus here that may > >>disagree with this, but I have no modules for my kernel unless I have to > >>have it for some reason. I did have modules for my temp sensors but that > >>was so I could reset it without rebooting. I'm sure someone will come in > >>with 100 reasons to have modules and some others will have reasons not > >>too. I say do it like you need to and whatever makes you and the system > >>happy. > >> > >> > > > >I'm just going to try compiling stuff into the kernel first, before I > >try and tinker. > > > > > > Save that info, you may need it. The first kernel I made would boot up > but some things, USB and a couple other things didn't work, so I made a > new one. The new one wouldn't work at all. Something I changed didn't > work right at all. Since I saved the old one, I just rebooted and used > it. Otherwise, I would have had to boot the CD and chrooted in to fix > it. That's a good tip to keep in mind. I'm actually not certain that I have the kernel built and installed. I tried the make install command, but I'm still not certain that I've done this all correctly. At this rate, I may try and re-install KDE and stuff to see if it's no longer a problem with the kernel. Is there a way to see what's currently compiled in or modules enabled/loaded in the kernel that currently running? If there is, then I could very quickly diagnose where the disconnect is. > >>When you make a new kernel, don't remove the old one. Since it does boot > >>up, you can use it to fall back on in case your new one fails for some > >>reason. Just give it a different name from the old one when you copy it > >>over. I do mine names like this: > >> > >> > > > >So, I should rename one of my kernels and try and see which one is > >which? Or am I still off the mark? It didn't look like it compiled > >the kernel... I think it should have taken longer, but it didn't. I > >may be missing a step. : / > > > > > > Most lik
Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel
Hey, I found something interesting... /boot/config > # > # Automatically generated make config: don't edit > # Linux kernel version: 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 > # Sun Mar 26 17:30:03 2006 > # large snip of non-ACPI stuff, mainly architecture flags. > # > # ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) Support > # > CONFIG_ACPI=y > CONFIG_ACPI_AC=y > CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=y > CONFIG_ACPI_BUTTON=y > CONFIG_ACPI_VIDEO=y > # CONFIG_ACPI_HOTKEY is not set > CONFIG_ACPI_FAN=y > CONFIG_ACPI_PROCESSOR=y > CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL=y > # CONFIG_ACPI_ASUS is not set > CONFIG_ACPI_IBM=y > # CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA is not set > CONFIG_ACPI_BLACKLIST_YEAR=0 > # CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG is not set > CONFIG_ACPI_EC=y > CONFIG_ACPI_POWER=y > CONFIG_ACPI_SYSTEM=y > # CONFIG_X86_PM_TIMER is not set > # CONFIG_ACPI_CONTAINER is not set /boot/config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1 > # > # Automatically generated make config: don't edit > # Linux kernel version: 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 > # Sun Mar 26 17:30:03 2006 > # another snip of mainly the same content > # > # Power management options (ACPI, APM) > # > CONFIG_PM=y > CONFIG_PM_LEGACY=y > # CONFIG_PM_DEBUG is not set > > # > # ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) Support > # > CONFIG_ACPI=y > CONFIG_ACPI_AC=y > CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=y > CONFIG_ACPI_BUTTON=y > CONFIG_ACPI_VIDEO=y > # CONFIG_ACPI_HOTKEY is not set > CONFIG_ACPI_FAN=y > CONFIG_ACPI_PROCESSOR=y > CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL=y > # CONFIG_ACPI_ASUS is not set > CONFIG_ACPI_IBM=y > # CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA is not set > CONFIG_ACPI_BLACKLIST_YEAR=0 > # CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG is not set > CONFIG_ACPI_EC=y > CONFIG_ACPI_POWER=y > CONFIG_ACPI_SYSTEM=y > # CONFIG_X86_PM_TIMER is not set > # CONFIG_ACPI_CONTAINER is not set My best guess now is that the line # CONFIG_ACIP_HOTKEY is not set is causing my problems. What do you think? I also think that this more or less confirms that the kernel is getting compiled, and it is working... but now it's a problem with KDE. I'll try opening Gnome in a xnest window and seeing if my battery monitor works then. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel
On 3/27/06, Teresa and Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Devon Miller wrote: > > > Just to throw my 2 cents in... > > > > I always set > > > > CONFIG_IKCONFIG=y > > CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC=y > > > > unless I'm building for a memory constrained system. This stores the > > config file in the kernel image and makes it available as > > /proc/config.gz. That way, when I get it working, I know what I did. > > > > I'm currently running 2.6.15-r8 of suspend2_sources, so if you're > > using a different kernel YMMV. Sorry, what does YMMV mean? > > Also, you can tell when the running kernel was built looking in > > /proc/version for the date stamp. Ah... I'll do that right away! > > dcm Once more, what does that mean? Oh... Devon C. Miller... dcm... hah, I geddit. > I use the config.gz too. You can actually boot up and untar that thing > and copy it over to a kernel directory and use it. That's good if you > royally screw up your config and need to step back a bit, or maybe a > lot. ;-) > > I'm not guru by any means, I just read a lot and sometimes my light bulb > will go off and it makes sense. If the bulb doesn't go off, stick a > fork in me, I'm done. about the same here. Some thing I can help with, most things I can't. > P.S. Supper time. Meds make me hungry. < stuffs mouth > So that's where all my cookies went... oh wait... I ate 'em : ) -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel
On 3/27/06, Teresa and Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lord Sauron wrote: > > >On 3/27/06, Teresa and Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >Extremely clever. I'll have to remeber cool tricks like that when I'm > >working with my own server... > > > > > > You can never know to much. That's for sure. I know I haven't had that > trouble yet on my end. o_O I haven't had any troubles with that either yet. Then again... I'm nowhere near where anyone could possibly or conceivably have a problem with it. > >Yeah, but I've been using the "make install" command, so I'm not > >totally sure if what I'm doing is even effective. > > > > > > I always copy mine by hand. That way I know it is there and what it is > named. Make SURE to mount /boot before you copy that. If you installed > as the manual says, /boot is not auto mounted at boot up. mount /boot > should work. > > > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>That means you have to add it to the /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 > >>file for it to load the module when it boots. This is what my file > >>looks like: > >> > >> > > > >So I'd add something like > > > > > > > >>acpi > >> > >> > > > >? > > > > > > > > > Linux Kernel v2.6.14-gentoo-r5 Configuration > > > > > > ┌─ IBM ThinkPad Laptop Extras > > ──┐ > > │ > > CONFIG_ACPI_IBM: > > │ > > > > │ > > │ > > │ This is a Linux ACPI driver for the IBM ThinkPad laptops. It > > adds │ > > │ support for Fn-Fx key combinations, Bluetooth control, > > video │ > > │ output switching, ThinkLight control, UltraBay eject and > > more.│ > > │ For more information about this driver see > > │ > > │ and <http://ibm-acpi.sf.net/> > > . │ > > > > │ > > │ > > │ If you have an IBM ThinkPad laptop, say Y or M > > here. │ > > > > │ > > │ > > │ Symbol: ACPI_IBM > > [=y] │ > > │ Prompt: IBM ThinkPad Laptop > > Extras│ > > │ Defined at > > drivers/acpi/Kconfig:197 │ > > │ Depends on: !X86_VOYAGER && !X86_VISWS && !IA64_HP_SIM && (IA64 > > || X86) && │ > > │ > > Location: > > │ > > │ -> Power management options (ACPI, > > APM) │ > > │ -> ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) > > Support│ > > │ -> ACPI Support (ACPI > > [=y]) │ > > > That is the help screen. I THINK the module will be called ACPI_IBM. > Someone correct me if I am wrong though. I think you take off the > CONFIG_ part. It may also need to be lowercase. Keep in mind that case > does matter in Linux. Let someone chime in on that one though. > > >>I guess I do still have my sensors as modules. Anyway, nvidia has to be > >>a module. You will see them when they load up. > >> > >> > > > >Yeah, nVidia supplies proprietary closed-source drivers, don't they? > > > > > > Yes they do. They do work pretty good though. At least they try. Some > video card people don't even do that. Wish they'd make better drivers for OS X though... none of my OS X buddies ever use nVidia cards (which are better - if you wanna argue you can talk to my GeForce 6800 anytime) because the OS X drivers make them about as good as a ATI card. Oh well... can't win 'em all I guess. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel
Okay, yet another update. I found that these packages were not installed: ibm-acpi acpi (though acpid was installed) I emerged them and then recompiled the kernel. However, I'm really beginning to get suspicious... I really think that a kernel recompile would take longer. Would you say about 45 seconds is right for a 1.0GHz Pentium-M with 256Megs of PC2700 SO-DIMM RAM? (200-pin, of course) I'm going to go recheck a few things now. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel
On 3/27/06, Jeremy Olexa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lord Sauron wrote: > > Would you say about 45 seconds is right for a > > 1.0GHz Pentium-M with 256Megs of PC2700 SO-DIMM RAM? (200-pin, of > > course) > > Sounds about right. You aren't recompiling the WHOLE kernel everytime. > Just whatever changes. BRILLIANT!!! I keep on being impressed by this Open Source stuff. It's gonna take MS so darn long to kill Linux... they might be able to do it in another couple mellenia. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?
On 3/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/29/06, Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hmm.. seems to me, you do like your laptops big and heavy and bulky. :-) > > IIRC, you had a P4 chip in your last laptop? (was that you?) > > Yep, except that 'luggable' incurred severe lid cracking last summer > and I had to replace it. So I purchased a 2.1Ghz P-M 6lb notebook to > use for about 6 months until the first Core Duo came available. That > was a nice notebook, even with a 15.4" screen, I found it to be very > portable. You have no idea what portable is. One month on a 3.7lb. 12.1 inch X40 and you'll never go back - even if you wanted to! > This is my first notebook with a 17" screen, which I really do > like...except when I have to carry it! That's why I call it a > 'luggable'. ;-> Just a word of the wise from many experienced laptop users: If you want to take it with you, less than 5 pounds is a requirement. You may say you're strong, and I believe you. However, even the world's strongest man would still have to admit that 13 pounds isn't a good idea. Plus, think of it this way: There are exceptions to the road-warrior lighter-is-better rule, of course, but not many. If you *need* the power, why not just SSH/RDesktop into a bigger, much more expensive desktop and leave your poor laptop battery alone? That's what I do. I have the tiny IBM X40: not very fast. But then check out my desktop rig: AMD Athlon64 3000+ 2.0GHz Socket 754 1.0GHz FSB w/Hypertransport, 512Megs of RAM, 10,000RPM WD SATA150 Raptor (76GB, I'm not rich enough for the new 150GB) and a killer nVidia GeForce 6800 AGP 8x w/512MB of GDDR2 video RAM (embedded OpenGL 1.5/DirectX9 processing). It's my baby - I raised it from just a little Athon K6 900MHz! I built it myself out of a hulking abandoned server case. When I get home, do I crunch numbers on the X40? No. I use it for what it's good for: email, office work, y'know, editing stuff. Compile on the big machine and you're home free. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?
http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=4611686018425155337&storeId=1001&langId=-1&categoryId=2059153&dualCurrId=173&catalogId=-840 That's the cheapest X60 with Core Duo. HOWEVER: I'd still highly recommend a AMD Turion. Well... I'd even more strongly suggest just waiting, all you prospective laptop buyers. A Dual Core Turion64 is coming *very* soon. The Turion64s murdered the Pentium M processors in not just speed but power efficiency. My Athlon1400 could kill a Pentium 4 2.4GHz any time. My Athlon64 can destroy the fastest non-dual core Pentium 4 (extreme editions exempted - I don't know anyone with one to compare the performance with). Acer makes good laptops with AMD chips. Just for laughs, Intel just released a new Pentium4 Ext.Ed. (Dual core, 955) to counter the FX-60 from AMD. PC World tested the chip... the FX-60 was ~30% faster while being about $30 cheaper. Okay, I'll stop evangelising AMD now. Thanks for listening (it makes me feel somewhat important). On 3/29/06, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 3/29/06, Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hmm.. seems to me, you do like your laptops big and heavy and bulky. :-) > > > IIRC, you had a P4 chip in your last laptop? (was that you?) > > > > Yep, except that 'luggable' incurred severe lid cracking last summer > > and I had to replace it. So I purchased a 2.1Ghz P-M 6lb notebook to > > use for about 6 months until the first Core Duo came available. That > > was a nice notebook, even with a 15.4" screen, I found it to be very > > portable. > > You have no idea what portable is. One month on a 3.7lb. 12.1 inch > X40 and you'll never go back - even if you wanted to! > > > This is my first notebook with a 17" screen, which I really do > > like...except when I have to carry it! That's why I call it a > > 'luggable'. ;-> > > Just a word of the wise from many experienced laptop users: > > If you want to take it with you, less than 5 pounds is a requirement. > You may say you're strong, and I believe you. However, even the > world's strongest man would still have to admit that 13 pounds isn't a > good idea. > > Plus, think of it this way: > > There are exceptions to the road-warrior lighter-is-better rule, of > course, but not many. If you *need* the power, why not just > SSH/RDesktop into a bigger, much more expensive desktop and leave your > poor laptop battery alone? That's what I do. I have the tiny IBM > X40: not very fast. But then check out my desktop rig: AMD Athlon64 > 3000+ 2.0GHz Socket 754 1.0GHz FSB w/Hypertransport, 512Megs of RAM, > 10,000RPM WD SATA150 Raptor (76GB, I'm not rich enough for the new > 150GB) and a killer nVidia GeForce 6800 AGP 8x w/512MB of GDDR2 video > RAM (embedded OpenGL 1.5/DirectX9 processing). > > It's my baby - I raised it from just a little Athon K6 900MHz! I > built it myself out of a hulking abandoned server case. When I get > home, do I crunch numbers on the X40? No. I use it for what it's > good for: email, office work, y'know, editing stuff. Compile on the > big machine and you're home free. > > -- > == GCv3.12 == > GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ > L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ > V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ > DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y > = END GCv3.12 > -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel
Okay, here's where I've isolated the problem to. This might be a rather lengthy explanation, so make sure you have about 15 minutes on your hands before diving in. However, the explanation shouldn't take long - I've never actually compiled/installed/used a kernel before. Okay, enough apologising in advance: down to business. I know that it correctly compiles the kernel. I put a new name for the new kernel (test1) to try and ID it as it floats about all the other kernels I'm too scared to delete. # make install Sticks it into /boot. /boot now reads System.mapconfig.old System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1 grub System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1.old initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1 kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1.old lost+found System.map.oldvmlinuz boot vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1 configvmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1.old config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1 vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1 config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1.old vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1.old config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1 vmlinuz.old config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1.old Not terribly exciting. However, I went to /boot/grub/menu.lst and it reads as such: localhost boot # cat ./grub/menu.lst default 0 timeout 7 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz title=Gentoo Linux root (hd0,0) kernel /kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc ramdisk=8192 real_root=/dev/hda3 initrd /initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 The most concerning part is the last three lines. For any kernel, it appears to demand the kernel itself. If you'll refer back to # ls /boot then you'll notice that kernel-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1 isn't there. Nor is the initrd. I don't know where they might be, or if they're not there then how to generate them. If I can find out those two things then I should be able to test my new kernel and see if it actually worked. On 3/28/06, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:51:11 +0200, Bo Andresen wrote: > > > > Sorry, what does YMMV mean? > > > > Those are the resources that I use for that kind of questions: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YMMV > > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ymmv > > You can also emerge wtf. I assume wtf will tell me what wtf stands for... is the last letter representative of a forbidden word, by any chance? > $ wtf ymmv > YMMV: your mileage may vary > > > -- > Neil Bothwick > > Interchangeable parts aren't. What was your first clue? -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?
On 3/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/29/06, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You have no idea what portable is. One month on a 3.7lb. 12.1 inch > > X40 and you'll never go back - even if you wanted to! > > Well, everybody has different needs/tastes. Frankly, I wouldn't even > want to _touch_ something with a 12.1in screen. ;-> That's just you - and as I said, there are a few exceptions. However, for most users, 17" isn't necessary, wouldn't you agree? > Portability is not my primary concern. Nor is battery life. Reading > and responding to email on the road is not something I need to do > frequently, or when I do, I can wait until I get to the hotel or the > conference room. I have never even had a desire to pull out a laptop > on a plane...heck, I don't even bother with an ipod or pda usually. Yeah, however, I see all these people buy a cheap laptop from Dell and expect it to run stuff like Doom 3. They end up hating their laptop because it's slow, heavy, and by running D3 they kiss whatever was left of their poor battery goodbye. > My big issue is screen resolution; I need a very high resolution > screen for viewing technical schematics with good scope and readable > fonts. I was working with a visitor recently who constantly had me > print out schematics because he could not read them on his laptop or > the available desktop without zooming in so far that he couldn't see > the overall diagram. On my 17" screen at 1920x1200 though, neither of > us had any problems with the display. That's you and what you do. A guy who does finances at Safeway corp. hq doesn't need the equivalent of Bill Gate's mansion in screen real estate. You do. > The _minimum_ I can work with is about 1400x1050 (1680x1050 in a wide format). Great for you. However, if you got a laptop for non-work use (personal, communications, mobile DVD viewing, &c) would you rather get the massive 9 pound thing you use at work, or a nice small 14" portable? When you get the 17", you're buying for necessity. Go smaller if you can afford it. You can't ATM. There's nothing wrong with that. > > Just a word of the wise from many experienced laptop users: > > Does using a laptop for 12-14 hours/day every day for the last 3 years > count as 'experienced'? ;-> Including international travel? Yeah, experienced in your area of expertise and how it relates to laptop buying decisions. Different people have different patterns of mobile use. ~90% of the people I know need to use their laptop on the go. They're the people my advice is aimed at. > > world's strongest man would still have to admit that 13 pounds isn't a > > good idea. > > No argument there...9lb + case + power supply is more than most people > would want or need to deal with. But there is no sub-5lb laptop > available today that can meet my display needs. Yeah... Lenovo, to give them credit, came really close. 15.1" in their Z60t at only 4lbs. Before I forget: I lied. I doublechecked the #s and my X40 is really 2.7 lbs. Srry... won't let it happen again ; ) -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?
On 3/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Always interesting discussions on this list. > > I have two questions for everyone (not just the person I'm responding > to): > > How soon do you think we'll see laptops with the Dual Core Turion64? AMD says the release will be within 4 months or so. I'd expect it within 5-6 months, to see them in enough places to really call them "avaliable." > Elsewhere (perhaps on this list on a different topic) someone > recommended not buying anything except for 64 bits (either AMD or Intel) > from now on. Do you agree, in particular regarding laptops? Not entirely. Having a 64-bit machine does give some major bonuses. Reliable sources (guys I know who do a lot of benchmarking) tell me that a 64-bit chip will perform ~10% faster than a non-64-bit chip. However, 64-bit chips in laptops aren't that common yet. If you're like me, you'll buy a 32-bit laptop just because it's cheaper. However, if you do stuff that would make a 64-bit chip necessary (MatLab, for instance, runs *much* faster in a 64-bit enviornent) then by all means shell out the extra money and get it. I evangalise the greatness of AMD64 technology a lot, but I will NOT tell you to waste your money. If you don't need the speed, DON'T BUY IT! Free enterprise is based on the idea that consumers will buy the best product or the product they need. Buy what you need. If you need a 17" screen, buy it. If you (like me) can't live without ultra-portability, buy it. If you can't live without either... flip a coin : ) -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?
On 3/29/06, Mike Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you sure that it was a Pentium M and not a Pentium4-M or just the It's ID is a Pentium-M Ultra-Low Voltage 1.0GHz Processor. It's basically whatever you'll find in the IBM X40 type 2386-1CU. My serial # is KV-AC277. Proud owner of a IBM. It's built like a rock - I love it. It's survived my backpack. Isn't that amazing? It's the first device in recorded history to do that! > p4s? There is a signicant difference. With all the benchmarks I've > seen, the Pentium Ms beat all the other processors in terms of power > consumption and heat and in a lot of cases, performance. it even > outdoes the P4s and the FX series amds. Tomshardware even has Turions are really good, though I'm not totally certain of the veracity of the testers. Things also vary from test to test, so it's totally possible that what I have now is cooler and less-power-hungry than a Turion. However, start comparing the ratio of heat to speed and power to speed, and the Turion slaughters the Pentium Ms. > benchmarks claiming such a thing (which is odd since they're usually > anti-intel). It is after all, a souped up P3 which allows it to have a > faster clock speed than the p4s even when running with fewer ghz. I have one. They suck for doing number crunching. I have an Athlon64. It kicks total butt. The Turion64 is really just a scaled down Athlon64. The new Turion64 X2s are just scaled down Athlon64 X2s. AMD just takes a bit longer to make their dual-core stuff because they load it up with all kinds of goodies that make it go faster without clocking it up. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel
On 3/29/06, Bo Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 29 March 2006 21:58, Lord Sauron wrote: > > Okay, here's where I've isolated the problem to. This might be a > > rather lengthy explanation, so make sure you have about 15 minutes on > > your hands before diving in. However, the explanation shouldn't take > > long - I've never actually compiled/installed/used a kernel before. > > Okay, enough apologising in advance: down to business. > > > > I know that it correctly compiles the kernel. I put a new name for > > the new kernel (test1) to try and ID it as it floats about all the > > other kernels I'm too scared to delete. > > > > # make install > > > > Sticks it into /boot. /boot now reads > > > > System.mapconfig.old > > System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1 grub > > System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1.old > > initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1 > >kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 > > System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1.old lost+found > > System.map.oldvmlinuz > > boot vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1 > > configvmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1.old > > config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1 vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1 > > config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1.old vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1.old > > config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1 vmlinuz.old > > config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1.old > > > > Not terribly exciting. However, I went to /boot/grub/menu.lst and it > > reads as such: > > > > localhost boot # cat ./grub/menu.lst > > default 0 > > timeout 7 > > splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz > > title=Gentoo Linux > > root (hd0,0) > > kernel /kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 root=/dev/ram0 > > init=/linuxrc ramdisk=8192 real_root=/dev/hda3 > > initrd /initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 > > > > The most concerning part is the last three lines. For any kernel, it > > appears to demand the kernel itself. If you'll refer back to # ls > > /boot then you'll notice that kernel-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1 isn't > > there. > > Sure it is. It's vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1 and make install even made a > symlink to it: vmlinuz. So that's what it's all about... Okay, that makes sense now. > If you type ls -l /boot/vmlinuz it should give something that end on: > /boot/vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1 > > > Nor is the initrd. > > If you don't use genkernel you don't actually need an initrd. If you want one > you have to enable it. I can't tell you how since I don't use it myself. Okay. So there are two ways of making kernels, and one of them is with Genkernel and I'm not using that so I don't need to worry, right? > > I don't know where they might be, or if > > they're not there then how to generate them. > > Try adding the following to /boot/grub/menu.lst: > > title Gentoo Linux test1 > root (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 > > This will create a new menu item in Grub during start up. If you want this > kernel to be selected by default you either add above the genkernel menu item > shown above or change the default to 1. After default you can add a fallback > line and set it to another kernel than the default. > > This is a part of my menu.lst: > > # Boot automatically after 30 secs. > timeout 5 > > # By default, boot the first entry. > default 0 > > # Fallback to the second entry. > fallback 1 > > # Reboot 5 seconds after a kernel panic > panic=5 > > # Nice splash image for grub :) > splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz > > title Gentoo Linux > root (hd0,1) > kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 video=vesafb-tng:[EMAIL PROTECTED],mtrr,ywrap > splash=silent,theme:livecd-2006.0 quiet > CONSOLE=/dev/tty1 > initrd /fbsplash-livecd-2006.0-1400x1050 > > title Gentoo Linux (Old) > root (hd0,1) > kernel /vmlinuz.old root=/dev/hda6 video=vesafb-tng:[EMAIL > PROTECTED],mtrr,ywrap > splash=verbose,theme:livecd-2006.0 quiet > CONSOLE=/dev/tty1 > initrd /boot/fbsplash-livecd-2006.0-1024x768 > > > The indented lines are on the end of the kernel line above them. My initrd's > are create by splashutils and have nothing to do with compiling the kernel. > If they are removed it boots just as well just
Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?
On 3/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How soon do you think we'll see laptops with the Dual Core Turion64? > > Summer. Got to have them out in time for back-to-school purchasing, right? > > > > > Elsewhere (perhaps on this list on a different topic) someone > > recommended not buying anything except for 64 bits (either AMD or Intel) > > from now on. Do you agree, in particular regarding laptops? > > No, but others are going to disagree with me! > > Nobody is currently producing laptops that can have over 4G of memory > (in fact, 2G is the max today in a laptop). And for my AMD desktop at www.alienware.com I beg to differ. I could have sworn I saw a laptop with more than 2G... where was it... wow! You appear to be right! Darn.. I could have SWORN I saw something with > 2G... > home, I don't see much difference between 64 and 32-bit programs. The > programs I am most interested in running fast are compression, > encryption, media encoding, and the like...standard desktop type uses. There is a big difference. You most likely aren't running with software compiled for 64-bit, or software that wasn't designed to take advantage of 64-bit, rather targeting 32-bit and just praying the compiler helps with the 64-bit part. It gets a bit technical, but there is a big difference between something made from the ground up as 64-bit versus something that was made 32-bit and just recompiled 64-bit. > Some things are slightly faster in 32-bit, some things are slightly > faster in 64-bit, but neither mode seems to have a definitive > advantage. Yes, with the unfairness of the compiler, that is true. It's a lot like if you had a car that could go 200MPH. Your driver may only hit 80MPH (the 32-bit code on a 64-bit chip), but then you get a driver trained for 200MPH driving, and then he actually hits 200MPH (the 64-bit code). It's like the good data in good data out / bad data in bad data out theory. > So unless and until you require more memory or specific applications, > I don't think you need to worry about 64-bit. Well, I think we must include bragging rights into our deliberation. That's a major part of it, too. Even though some people may never use more than a whole MHz of their PC, they still like to brag ; ) PS: I'm not one of them. If there were a law against computer abuse, I'd be locked up for life - It pains me to see a CPU idling. > -Richard > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel
SOLVED!!! I did as you suggested. localhost ~ # cat /boot/grub/menu.lst default 0 timeout 7 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz title Current Kernel root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 title Old Kernel root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz.old root=/dev/hda3 title Failsafe root (hd0,0) kernel /kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc ramdisk=8192 real_root=/dev/hda3 initrd /initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 is now what I use. Later I hope to reinsert my Live CD and get the pretty stuff off of it to beautify my Gentoo. ACPI now works perfectly. There was a small glitch in which I discovered that my newly built kernel did *not* have my networking card installed, so I had to recompile with that enabled but after this it was no sweat. Thanks for your help - I would have gotten as far as Kubuntu if you hadn't helped me (as in I would be back with Kubuntu). However, even before beautification I have to figure out how to mount my USB memory stick (/dev/sda1), however, that's for another thread. Thanks for your help - I hope to be able to make it up to you all someday : ) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?
On 3/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/29/06, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Great for you. However, if you got a laptop for non-work use > > (personal, communications, mobile DVD viewing, &c) would you rather > > get the massive 9 pound thing you use at work, or a nice small 14" > > portable? > > Even this is a tough decision for me...I do occasionally like to watch > DVDs on my laptop, even when I am at home, because at arms length my > screen takes up more of my visual field than my 65" TV across the > room! There is just something about that that makes me smile... Yeah, even with my amazing 12.1" "Theatre-in-a-clamshell" display it takes up more of my field of view than anything other than my dad's massive 51" DLP HDTV (1080i, I hope to plug my hilariously overpowered graphics card into it someday!) > Probably the same smile you get after you panic because you think you > forgot your laptop, and then realize it is on your shoulder... Yup! What really puts it into perspective is the X4 Ultrabase dock that I use. When I take it with me (when I know I'll need it - otherwise it sits next to the Athlon64) I can really feel the extra 1.1lbs. It's more noticeable than you would think, for those of you who never owned a laptop. > > Before I forget: I lied. I doublechecked the #s and my X40 is really > > 2.7 lbs. Srry... won't let it happen again ; ) > > Thank goodness for competition and market analysiswe both get > laptops that we are really happy with, and that work well for us! Yup. Thank God for lassiz-faire, or you we would both have laptops (if we were lucky) that would be the best for us - according to what the state says is the best for us : ( > Anyway my advice to people is to figure out what your needs are and > buy the best laptop you can afford that comes as close to those needs > as possible. Bigger is not always better. Neither is smaller. I love consulting on these things. Just email me - I'm totally neurotic about making sure you find what you need and not what they say you need (which also just so happens to be the most expensive item on their list... what are the chances of that?) -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?
On 3/29/06, Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 15:42 -0800, Lord Sauron wrote: > > On 3/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yeah, however, I see all these people buy a cheap laptop from Dell and > > expect it to run stuff like Doom 3. > > Soon, they'll have to but it from Alienware which dell just bought > recently. They're pulling the plug on the discrete graphics even on the > inspiron. /me hates those built-in graphics. Makes things slow. > Seriously does make a difference. However, at the same time, you really shouldn't expect games out of any but the most expensive laptops. Maybe 5-10 years from now that'll be a different story, but for now that's about right. > > > the available desktop without zooming in so far that he couldn't see > > > the overall diagram. On my 17" screen at 1920x1200 though, neither of > > > us had any problems with the display. > > If you're not concerned with battery nor weight. I suggest you go for > the Dell XPS Mobile concept (when it becomes available) > > Now, that is one _*#$*#_ of a laptop. > > Here are some shots. (hope I don't get flamed for this. I've resized the > pics to the smallest. That's not so much a laptop as a new breed of ultraportable desktop, IMHO. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?
On 3/29/06, Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 17:41 -0800, Lord Sauron wrote: > > On 3/29/06, Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Yeah, however, I see all these people buy a cheap laptop from Dell and > > > > expect it to run stuff like Doom 3. > > > > > /me hates those built-in graphics. Makes things slow. > > > Seriously does make a difference. > > > > However, at the same time, you really shouldn't expect games out of > > any but the most expensive laptops. Maybe 5-10 years from now that'll > > I'm not even talking about playing games. I'm just talking about graphic > rendering. eg: Desktop Wallpaper rendering/eye candy. Well, I can understand if a lot of eyekandy won't work... yeah, I guess you're right. My laptop's GC works slower than a older GC that was in a desktop. > My wife's home desktop is a Dell w/ 768MB Ram, 2,8Ghz P4 and integrated > graphics. It runs slower (feel) than my laptop which has discrete > graphics. Poor woman... having to use a Dell ; ) > > > If you're not concerned with battery nor weight. I suggest you go for > > > the Dell XPS Mobile concept (when it becomes available) > > >> Here are some shots. > > > > That's not so much a laptop as a new breed of ultraportable desktop, IMHO. > > heh.. I like that. Ultraportable desktop. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xgl, KDE, gnome
On 3/30/06, Roy Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Howdy, > > After playing with the Kororaa Xgl Live CD, then with Xorg 7 entering > ebuild testing, > I decided to give Xgl a try. Neat-o. Is it in the ~x86 area? > The xorg 7 upgrade went extremely smooth. Big THANK YOU to those > responsible! > > The wiki instructions for installing Xgl worked too. I'm extremely interested in Xgl. I didn't know it was hanging around Gentoo. Can you send me the link? > Then I discovered what gnome-window-decorator does in KDE. Not pretty. :-( > I figured I could live: > * with old fashioned decorations, > * without my background image, > * with my panel stretching across both monitors, > * with windows opening centered on the desktop vs on a display, > * with some brain dead right mouse desktop popup menu. Can you try and get me some more detailed info? I'm a information gatherer for the Xgl project. I'm supposed to be ensuring that it has perfect integration with KDE. > But I couldn't live with a dead X the next morning. So bye-bye Xgl. Even more interesting... Could you get some more info for me there too? Perhaps a few clips from the log file? > OK, off to the net to see what I could find, which distilled down to use > gnome. > Next gen KDE should have similar features. > > Well, I've never really gave gnome a try, so maybe it's not as bad as it > looks. :-) It's not *bad,* but I find it incredibly bland. It's useable, though I can't say it's much more... > Installed gnome. Weee... have fun? > Now what I'd really like is to be able to switch between X+KDE and Xgl+gnome > sessions. I don't really see how to do this with one display manager. > Not sure > how to configure to run multiple display managers. Currently I use xdm > to run > kdm. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thank you, > Roy > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?
On 3/30/06, Mike Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just my .02c, but it seems like the 64-bit processors come with more > hype than benefits. Not that the 64-bit move is a bad thing at all, > but I mean it just seems like people tend to expect much more out of > them than what they should. You're very close to the mark, actually. > It would seem like a more accurate, but oversimplified explaination > would be that it simply allows for other improvements within the > computer, but it does not improve anything on it's own. For instance, Yes, you're very close. It does allow for one major thing OTTOH. With a 64-bit wide word, more precise calculations take half the time they would on a 32-bit chip. They don't give any other real major 64-bit exclusive benefits though. The advantages of a 64-bit variable isn't really relevant for most uses though. Things like MatLab are greatly benefitted, however, normal desktop use isn't. Some video games are now being made 64-bit, so they'll benefit from more precise gameplay at higher speeds, however, you are right: 64-bit en se doesn't give any other amazing benefit. > allowing >4GB ram, which in turn gives better performance. From what > I've read, there are improvements in certain things that are specific > to number crunching, like a database with mathematical formulas. Yup. > However, for a desktop processor, the difference is going to be barely > noticeable, if any, especially since most desktops don't use more than > 4 gigs of ram. True. However, sticking to 32-bit for the rest of forever isn't a terribly good idea, now is it? > It definitely seems to be a difficult thing to explain though due to > the nature of the processor. Most people think simply 'more numbers = > more speed', but that's not really case, and surely not the point. > Since around the mid 90's, processor speeds have steadily increased, > but in the last couple of years, that increase has halted. Not really. AMD is still making their chips more efficient and faster, though the new fad is to add more cores. However, eventually this will still limit threads to the speed of one core, which'll prompt more and more rapid speed increases. Just be patient; you don't need all that number-crunching power right now, do you? ; ) > Supposedly, the speeds have been maxed out for the size of the > processors, so that's why the manufacturers are trying different > routes, like hyperthreading, dual core, multi-core, and 64-bit. None Well, they also need to make the thing smaller. We're still on what? 95 nanometre? Smaller means more transistors in the same area. > of these features directly improve performance, but they do increase > it's capabilities. More specifically, they allow the computer to do > MORE tasks better, instead of focusing on speeding up tasks. That's > not a bad thing really, because it's nice to be able to do multiple > things simultaneously, like burning a cd while listening to mp3s and > playing games on a LAMP server that's running emerge -u world without > any degradation in performance in any of the processes. People who do that scare me. > That kind of performance seems to be what is intended with these > different avenues that the chip makers are taking. That is not to say > that single tasks will perform any better, and I think the lack of > discerning the difference is causing a lot of confusion for most > people, especially when they aren't familiar with low level > programming. In the end this might degenerate to a "programmer's rating" thing. IE: one standardised benchmark. > On 3/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 3/29/06, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > www.alienware.com I beg to differ. I could have sworn I saw a laptop > > > with more than 2G... where was it... wow! You appear to be right! > > > Darn.. I could have SWORN I saw something with > 2G... > > > > Actually, you are right. I neglected the monstrous Clevo laptop. Its > > an AMD X2 with capacity for 2 optical drives plus 2 hard drives, up to > > 3G of memory, and a 200W power adapter. Weighs 12-15 lbs, _not_ > > counting the power adapter! This is acutally a Clevo design, sold by > > Sager, AGearnotebooks, and many others. Alienware got it with a > > customized case. All of the reviews I read on it basically said > > "incredible performance, excellent display, but heavy, noisy, and > > really hard to describe how large it really is". > > > > I was actually considering purchasing this beast...but the noise > > factor scared me off. Not really appropriate for a shared
[gentoo-user] Issues with Dependencies
Hi, I'm having a bit more trouble. I'm trying to re-compile KDE so that maybe some functionality which didn't compile right the first time will work. However, it says I've got some broken dependencies. localhost ~ # emerge --pretend kde These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [blocks B ] =kde-base/kbounce-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdegames-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/libkdegames-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdegames-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdemultimedia-kioslaves-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdemultimedia-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdemultimedia-arts-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdemultimedia-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/libkcddb-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdemultimedia-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/klaptopdaemon-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdeutils-3.4.3-r1) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kommander-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdewebdev-3.4.3-r1) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kxsldbg-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdewebdev-3.4.3-r1) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kfilereplace-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdewebdev-3.4.3-r1) [blocks B ] =kde-base/klinkstatus-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdewebdev-3.4.3-r1) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kimagemapeditor-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdewebdev-3.4.3-r1) [blocks B ] =kde-base/quanta-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdewebdev-3.4.3-r1) [snipped the stuff that wasn't broken] I don't know what to do. I don't want to loose Quanta+ or KLaptopDaemon, and I frankly didn't know Kommander was there... Please help a old Debian person who isn't used to doing this stuff by himself... Oh, I already tried emerge --depclean, but that didn't fix all the problems apparently. In the mean time I'll try remerging KLaptopDaemon, but I would like to resolve these issues to both learn how and to make life easier in the future. Thanks for your help! -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Mounting USB Flash Drive
Hi - again. You are totally free to get tired of me and completely ignore me. Please, just make sure that you all don't do it all at the same time ; ) Anyways, I've been working to try and mount my USB Flash disk so that I can use the stuff I backed up from my old Kubuntu install. However, /dev/sda1 isn't in /etc/fstab, though usbfs is in /etc/mtab. > Sort of a side thing... what's the difference between fstab and mtab? Well, I've narrowed it down to at least one thing: I don't have a mount point for my poor USB Disk. I looked through *all* the 1,400 some-odd lines in the mount command's man page, however, I got no clues, not even a related command. I also # ls /bin to see if there was anything there... I didn't see anything that made sense to me. I've only ever mounted stuff using the graphical tool that Kubuntu supplied, so that's where my ignorance comes from. Thanks for your help!' -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Issues with Dependencies
localhost ~ # emerge --pretend kde-meta These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdialog-3.4.1) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdegraphics-kfile-plugins-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kgamma-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kmrml-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kpdf-3.4.3-r4) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kolourpaint-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kcoloredit-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/ksnapshot-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kghostview-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kiconedit-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/ksvg-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kfax-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kviewshell-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kuickshow-3.4.1) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kview-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdvi-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kruler-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kate-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kscreensaver-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-data-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdesu-3.4.1) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/khotkeys-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kcminit-3.4.1) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/khelpcenter-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kcontrol-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdm-3.4.3-r1) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdebugdialog-3.4.1) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kreadconfig-3.4.1) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/knetattach-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdepasswd-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/libkonq-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kicker-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kappfinder-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kfind-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/ksysguard-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kcheckpass-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/ksplashml-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/klipper-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/ksystraycmd-3.4.1) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kwin-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdesktop-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kstart-3.4.1) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kxkb-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/ksmserver-3.4.1) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/nsplugins-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/ktip-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdeprint-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdcop-3.4.1) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kpager-3.4.2) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kmenuedit-3.4.1) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kpersonalizer-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-startkde-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/drkonqi-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/konqueror-3.4.3) [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/konsole-3.4.3) No. Still doesn't like me. I never know about the meta packages, so I could be on Gnome for a little while until I get this sorted out, huh? On 3/31/06, Bo Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 01 April 2006 01:52, Lord Sauron wrote: > > Hi, I'm having a bit more trouble. > > > > I'm trying to re-compile KDE so that maybe some functionality which > > didn't compile right the first time
Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting USB Flash Drive
On 3/31/06, b.n. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyways, I've been working to try and mount my USB Flash disk so that > > I can use the stuff I backed up from my old Kubuntu install. However, > > /dev/sda1 isn't in /etc/fstab, though usbfs is in /etc/mtab. > > > > Well, I've narrowed it down to at least one thing: I don't have a > > mount point for my poor USB Disk. > > If you have and /etc/fstab, and you already know your usb flash disk is > /dev/sda1, well, just add the right fstab entry. > Mine looks this way: I can just nano /etc/fstab and add /dev/sda1? I thought fstab was generated by the machine or something, and that it isn't a terribly good idea to edit it. I'll try that now. > /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable vfat noauto,async,user,exec 0 0 I don't have a /mnt directory. Should I just create one? > > I looked through *all* the 1,400 > > some-odd lines in the mount command's man page, however, I got no > > clues, not even a related command. I also # ls /bin to see if there > > was anything there... I didn't see anything that made sense to me. > > your effort is nice, but have you thought about Google or another search > engine? Not until line 1,200... oh, and I wasn't connected at the time, so... I hope you understand : ) > > I've only ever mounted stuff using the graphical tool that Kubuntu > > supplied, so that's where my ignorance comes from. > > I think you refer to the > "hey-my-usb-disk-appears-magically-on-my-desktop!" trick. I guess it's > managed by HAL, you can have it on Gentoo too (don't ask me for info, > since I don't use it) No, I had to manually create a mount point via the GUI and then enable the thing and all this stuff. Then KDE just looked at /media and slapped that on my desktop. I mounted my windows partition (back when I had one) on /media so that I could have that on my desktop too. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Issues with Dependencies
On 3/31/06, Bo Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 01 April 2006 02:25, Lord Sauron wrote: > > localhost ~ # emerge --pretend kde-meta > > > > These are the packages that I would merge, in order: > > > > Calculating dependencies ...done! > > [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.4* (is blocking kde-base/kdialog-3.4.1) > [SNIP] > > [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdegraphics-3.4* (is blocking > > kde-base/kdegraphics-kfile-plugins-3.4.3) > [SNIP] > > > No. Still doesn't like me. I never know about the meta packages, so > > I could be on Gnome for a little while until I get this sorted out, > > huh? > > Seems you have a mixture of monolithic and split. Like I said before I > recommend the split packages. To get those you have to unmerge the monolithic > packages. So: I was a little rash and unmerged everything with the string "kde" in it. When in doubt, restart. > # emerge --unmerge --ask --verbose kdebase kdegraphics > # emerge --ask --verbose kde-meta > > It is all explained at > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2&chap=1#doc_chap4 > > And please learn to cut out anything you don't reply to and reply below that > which you do reply to. Srry... I'm a little bit scatterbrained at times. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting USB Flash Drive
On 3/31/06, b.n. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can just nano /etc/fstab and add /dev/sda1? > > Not only you can: you actually have to! :) > Check the Gentoo handbook for details. When I did install Gentoo (in > december 2004), I had to write *all* my fstab by hand, I don't know if > now it's different. Well, the automated installer did most of it for me, so I never got the exposure to it. > > I thought fstab was > > generated by the machine or something, and that it isn't a terribly > > good idea to edit it. > > A fstab file is ususally generated by the operating system installer, > but, being it a plain text configuration file, it is thought to be > editable by root. It has a pretty straightforward syntaxis. Yeah, didn't take too long for me to figure out how to word what I wanted. Only a few tries and one reboot (don't ask). > The machine-generated thing you shouldn't touch, instead, is /etc/mtab. > This one contains the *current* state of mounted devices. Okay. That makes sense. > > I don't have a /mnt directory. Should I just create one? > > Well, you have to create an empty directory to use as a mountpoint. I > create them inside a /mnt directory, but that's just "historical habit". > Many distro I see around now use /media as a root directory for > removable media mountpoints. Nothing stops you from using > /home/sauron/whatever, although I feel symlinks are a cleaner way to > access mount points from your home... I made /mnt/sda1, 'cuz that's what I used about 4 years ago on a Red Hat Linux box. It was really messing me up with all this /media stuff when I used Kubuntu. > > No, I had to manually create a mount point via the GUI and then enable > > the thing and all this stuff. Then KDE just looked at /media and > > slapped that on my desktop. I mounted my windows partition (back when > > I had one) on /media so that I could have that on my desktop too. > > That's the same of writing on the fstab, but managed by a gui instead of > done by hand (editing fstab is really easy once you manage the logic of it). Yeah, I can now see what the GUI did. From my experience with Qt I can safely say it was harder to make the GUI than to do it by hand. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting USB Flash Drive
On 3/31/06, Mait <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey! don,t hurry relax ~ : ) Relax? Sounds like something that unemployed people do : \ > It's also useful in traditional way > $ man mount > $ man fstab Wow... I didn't know that man had a fstab entry. I thought it was only for commands and stuff... -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting USB Flash Drive
On 3/31/06, Walter Dnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 31, 2006 at 08:07:16PM -0800, Lord Sauron wrote > > > > $ man mount > > > $ man fstab > > > > Wow... I didn't know that man had a fstab entry. I thought it was > > only for commands and stuff... > > There are man pages for just about every file in the /etc directory. > For optional packages, you do need to have the package installed to get > the manpage. Neat. > Another cute trick if you've got something plugged in, but don't know > which device it's listed as; as root, execute the command... > > fdisk -l > > The "l" (for "list") option lists all connected block devices, even it > they aren't mounted. Neater. It's a wonder no one makes on great big document about all this... to me it looks like its spread all over the internet in ways that makes it hard to find... At least, I don't know about the great big authoritative document of documentation... > -- > Walter Dnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 > My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Mounting USB Flash Drive
On 4/1/06, Mait <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2006/4/1, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On 3/31/06, Mait <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hey! don,t hurry relax ~ : ) > > > > Relax? Sounds like something that unemployed people do : \ > > Sorry for my poor english : ) > It means "sorry, too many docs to read" Yeah... I end up bookmarking most of 'em and then never reading 'em anyways... I admit to being a bad person. > oh.. english drive me crazy Not a long trip, eh? ; ) English is one of the most un-intuitive languages there is, with possible exception to Spanish... Yeah, Latin is probably the source of all linguistic evil. Anglo-Saxon/West Germanic was just fine until those darn Roman pinheads came along... ~>:( -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Mounting USB Flash Drive
On 4/1/06, maxim wexler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't know if it relates to your case but I had a > similar problem until I realized the device was > formatted FAT16. Once I added proper support to my > kernel config it was smooth sailing. No, mine's a vfat. Here's a sample of what my /etc/fstab reads now: localhost bin # cat /etc/fstab /dev/hda1/boot ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda2noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/hda3/ ext3 defaults 0 1 none/procproc defaults 0 0 none/dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/sda1/mnt/sda1 vfat noauto,async,user,exec 0 0 (note: I edited the output to get it to line up - before hand it was rather ugly. Yeah, that slow of a Saturday...) If I ever meet the guy who made the cat command, I'm gonna kiss him. If I ever find the guy who made the less command, I'll do the same. One of my new favourite toys is cat | less. You've probably noticed I use it a lot. I only discovered it about 2 weeks ago, so there comes my excitement. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mounting USB Flash Drive
On 4/1/06, Jeremy Olexa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lord Sauron wrote: > > If I ever meet the guy who made the cat command, I'm gonna kiss him. > > If I ever find the guy who made the less command, I'll do the same. > > One of my new favourite toys is cat | less. You've probably > > Ha. You can achieve the same by running `less ` same with grep. ;) Didn't know that, either. bash is so darn cool... makes DOS look so bad. Amazing people could use DOS. > I assume the problem regarding mounting usb drives has been solved? Yes, it has. I'm very happy about it. In celebration I made KDE look exactly like Windows 95 to tick off all the windoze zombies I know. They're still not happy about KIOSlaves, and whenever I change a theme or behaviour it deepens the wound in their misplaced pride : ) Now I can get down and dirty with Apache2 and PHP so I can build my big product. I would tell, but it's confidential - Firestorm Development Group International only. I can say that it will be Gentoo based, and totally open-source. It's just closed-source during the development phase to maintain an element of surprise on the unsuspecting win32 syncophants. Consider this your warning: my next string of problems will be related to Apache2, PHP, php_mhash and php_mcrypt, MySQL, and such things. In the mean time, since I'm not brave enough to open a whole new thread for something as trivial as this... OpenOffice just released OpenOffice.org v2.0.2 Is this already in the software listings, or is it confined to ~x86, and people like me using -x86 can't get it yet? I would change, but I'm not sure what to expect with ~x86. BTW: Thanks for your help! I am taking in as much of this info as I can* - don't expect to see the same question twice from me. [*] I do have limits. Most people tell me they're higher than your average Joe, but I do have limits. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Beautification - Splash
Hello once more. I was good this time and did look through the documentation. In order to get the "beautification" on Gentoo I wanted (the nice graphics during the install and stuff) I researched it and installed splashutils. However, installation wasn't enough. There's a way to activate it. I found how to choose which theme I wanted - it was rather straightforward, a symlink to a folder. However, I don't know how to really activate the darn thing such that it'll work. I went to the software's homepage and found a installation document which basically said that it differs from distro to distro. If there were instructions for me, I didn't see them. Anyways, I hope you can help me here. I hope I'm not all that annoying, either. I know I am rather elementary, however, I was a good Dark Lord this time and I did do my homework and tried my best to work the problem by myself before asking for help - I really did! -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gcc question
On 4/2/06, Leigh Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > thanks richard. > > is it safe to have compiled half a system with gcc 3.3 ubt to be compiling > new packages with 3.4? >From what I read, if you have half a package using gcc3.3 and the other half 3.4 or something, that won't work. However, I don't see a reason why not... YMMV, if nothing else. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Beautification - Splash
I was a good cookie and went and tried my best. I did see some signs of success, however, they're not all complete... no pictures. The one sign of success was that the resolution was at [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is a good sign. However, I think that was more attributable to my recompile of the kernel, which I'm happy to say I'm reletively expert at now. I can make menuconfig and make && make install my way around now, so that's good news. On 4/2/06, Bo Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_fbsplash I followed these instructions, however, something didn't work, because there were no pretty pictures : ( I did appreciate the increased resolution, however. The instructions I took were pretty simple: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_fbsplash#Non-genkernel_users Then I: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_fbsplash#Non-genkernel_users and then I modified /boot/grub/menu.lst: localhost ~ # cat /boot/grub/menu.lst default 0 timeout 7 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz title Current Kernel root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 initrd /fbsplashP+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Beautification - Splash
Yeah, I read you. I found that during lunch. It works now : ) On 4/4/06, Bo Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 04 April 2006 20:48, Lord Sauron wrote: > [SNIP] > > and then I modified /boot/grub/menu.lst: > > > > localhost ~ # cat /boot/grub/menu.lst > > default 0 > > timeout 7 > > splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz > > title Current Kernel > > root (hd0,0) > > kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 > > initrd /fbsplash > > <there is the > [SNIP] > > So now you have told it where to find the theme files. Now you just need to > alter your kernel line to specify what theme to use and in which mode. An > example is given in [1]. But to view full documentation of kernel parameters > for splash type in a terminal (this assumes that you have splashutils > installed): > > # zcat -c /usr/share/doc/splashutils*/kernel_parameters.gz | less > > Also I have just added two sections to the howto i.e. [2] and [3]. > > [1] http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_gensplash#GRUB_Example > [2] http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_gensplash#View_contents_of_initramfs > [3] http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_gensplash#Choosing_a_theme > > -- > Bo Andresen > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Beautification - Splash
To be a bit more verbose...
I downloaded the web page to disk so I could toy with it during lunch,
when I'm not connected to the internet. After about ten reboots I
finally had it nailed down. My Windoze friends are gonna hate this...
they've always regarded Window's bootup graphics as making windows
"superior" in some way or another. I think they've just let their
minds be harmed by all the years of windows ; )
So I now use the theme "livecd-2006.0" Just my $0.02, but it's sorta
difficult to change themes. Soon as I'm more bash literate, I'll try
to make a script to change themes in a easier manner
("lsauron_cngsplshthm [theme]", perhaps? I dunno... Mind of a
programmer, once more). I counted 2 places I have to change to change
themes:
/etc/splash splashutils_geninitramfs... // generate new initramfs file
/boot/grub/menu.lst // point to it, and make sure kernel command line
args are nice and happy
but otherwise it was rather painless. The initial install was
painful... when you have to do a manual rc-update add or whatever it
is, that's a sign that you need to make a script of some kind... my
personal feelings, of course.
So thanks for the help - Probably wouldn't have gotten this far by
myself (I have a habit of bouncing off the same walls until someone
explains to me why my thinking isn't right, even though it is quite
logical).
PS: I'm playing with this GPG stuff... I want to see if any of you
can use [verify] this. I'm just curious... I had some nut case
ghosting off of my domain and email and then emailing some friends. I
was not happy. Someone suggested signing my messages. So, I'm
trying. Tell me if I'm doing it right if it's conveinient.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
To be a bit more verbose...
I downloaded the web page to disk so I could toy with it during lunch,
when I'm not connected to the internet. After about ten reboots I
finally had it nailed down. My Windoze friends are gonna hate this...
they've always regarded Window's bootup graphics as making windows
"superior" in some way or another. I think they've just let their
minds be harmed by all the years of windows ; )
So I now use the theme "livecd-2006.0" Just my $0.02, but it's sorta
difficult to change themes. Soon as I'm more bash literate, I'll try
to make a script to change themes in a easier manner
("lsauron_cngsplshthm [theme]", perhaps? I dunno... Mind of a
programmer, once more). I counted 2 places I have to change to change
themes:
/etc/splash splashutils_geninitramfs... // generate new initramfs file
/boot/grub/menu.lst // point to it, and make sure kernel command line
args are nice and happy
but otherwise it was rather painless. The initial install was
painful... when you have to do a manual rc-update add or whatever it
is, that's a sign that you need to make a script of some kind... my
personal feelings, of course.
So thanks for the help - Probably wouldn't have gotten this far by
myself (I have a habit of bouncing off the same walls until someone
explains to me why my thinking isn't right, even though it is quite
logical).
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Re: [gentoo-user] Beautification - Splash
On 4/4/06, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 04 April 2006 19:33, "Lord Sauron" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] > Beautification - Splash': > > PS: I'm playing with this GPG stuff... I want to see if any of you > > can use [verify] this. I'm just curious... I had some nut case > > ghosting off of my domain and email and then emailing some friends. I > > was not happy. Someone suggested signing my messages. So, I'm > > trying. Tell me if I'm doing it right if it's conveinient. > > You sent two copies of your message, one signed, the other not. You also > didn't publish your public key on any keyserver that my kmail polls for > keys (I think I poll 6 servers, though at least 3 of other shares keys > among themselves, too). So that's what people are talking about whenever they say there's gonna be a "public key signing!" I've been idly wondering what that could be. Okay... that makes sense now. Don't laugh - it was my very first try and encryption. > This message is validly singed, although probably by a key you don't trust > (nor should you until to verify the key actually belongs to the person it > claims to). Most key servers use hardened linux or SE Linux, right? Since that is what they're supposed to be for? I think I could scrape together another cheap-o server to make into my own key server... that'd be cool. If nothing else it'd be nice to play with it a bit : ) > -- > "If there's one thing we've established over the years, > it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest > clue what's best for them in terms of package stability." > -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh I honestly hope you're just joking. Really, the world gets much scarier when that is true... -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Beautification - Splash
On 4/4/06, Bo Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 April 2006 02:33, Lord Sauron wrote:
> [SNIP]
> > So I now use the theme "livecd-2006.0" Just my $0.02, but it's sorta
> > difficult to change themes. Soon as I'm more bash literate, I'll try
> > to make a script to change themes in a easier manner
> > ("lsauron_cngsplshthm [theme]", perhaps? I dunno... Mind of a
> > programmer, once more). I counted 2 places I have to change to change
> > themes:
> >
> > /etc/splash splashutils_geninitramfs... // generate new initramfs file
> > /boot/grub/menu.lst // point to it, and make sure kernel command line
> > args are nice and happy
> [SNIP]
>
> I guarantee nothing... ;) :
>
> #!/bin/bash
> RES=1400x1050
> THEME=${1}
> splash_geninitramfs ${THEME} -r ${RES} -g /boot/fbsplash -v
> sed -i -e 's/theme:[a-z0-9.-]*/theme:'${THEME}'/' /boot/grub/menu.lst
Hmm... I'll have to play around with that in KDevelop and see if I
can make it guaranteeable... that'd be a good project for a nut like
me...
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[gentoo-user] Eclipse IDE For Java
Hi, once again... I'm taking a Computer Science class in school, and they use Java for this class. I decided to try using Eclipse, a popular Java IDE, however, Eclipse appears to be masked (see # emerge --search eclipse output below). I don't know what to do. Does anyone have any suggestions? localhost ~ # emerge --search eclipse Searching... [ Results for search key : eclipse ] [ Applications found : 13 ] * dev-java/eclipse-core [ Masked ] Latest version available: 3.2_pre2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 21,691 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/ Description: Core Runtime Utilities for Eclipse License: CPL-1.0 LGPL-2.1 MPL-1.1 * dev-java/eclipse-ecj [ Masked ] Latest version available: 3.1-r2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 530 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/ Description: Eclipse Compiler for Java License: EPL-1.0 * dev-java/eclipse-jface [ Masked ] Latest version available: 3.2_pre2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 21,691 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/ Description: Core Runtime Utilities for Eclipse License: CPL-1.0 LGPL-2.1 MPL-1.1 * dev-java/eclipse-osgi [ Masked ] Latest version available: 3.2_pre2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 65,074 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/ Description: Core Runtime Utilities for Eclipse License: CPL-1.0 LGPL-2.1 MPL-1.1 * dev-util/eclipse-cbg-editor [ Masked ] Latest version available: 0.3.7 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 239 kB Homepage:http://gstaff.org/colorEditor/ Description: Syntax color highlighting editor for Eclipse, using jEdit syntax files License: grindstaff * dev-util/eclipse-cdt [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.0-r2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 6,608 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/cdt Description: Eclipse C/C++ Development Tools License: CPL-1.0 * dev-util/eclipse-cdt-bin [ Masked ] Latest version available: 1.2.0 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 6,597 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/cdt Description: C/C++ Development Tools for Eclipse License: CPL-1.0 * dev-util/eclipse-emf-bin [ Masked ] Latest version available: 2.0.2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 2,794 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/emf/ Description: EMF is a modeling framework and code generation facility for building tools and other applications based on a structured data model. License: CPL-1.0 * dev-util/eclipse-gef-bin [ Masked ] Latest version available: 3.0.1 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 1,194 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/gef/ Description: The Graphical Editing Framework (GEF) allows developers to take an existing application model and easily create a rich graphical editor. License: CPL-1.0 * dev-util/eclipse-pydev-bin [ Masked ] Latest version available: 0.8.0 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 1,386 kB Homepage:http://pydev.sourceforge.net Description: Python Development Tools for Eclipse License: CPL-1.0 * dev-util/eclipse-sdk Latest version available: 3.0.1-r2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 54,314 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/ Description: Eclipse Tools Platform License: CPL-1.0 * dev-util/eclipse-subclipse-bin [ Masked ] Latest version available: 0.9.31 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 1,842 kB Homepage:http://subclipse.tigris.org/ Description: Subversion Integration for Eclipse License: CPL-1.0 * dev-util/eclipse-ve-bin [ Masked ] Latest version available: 1.0.2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 6,120 kB Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/vep/ Description: The Eclipse Visual Editor provides GUI builders for Eclipse. License: CPL-1.0 -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eclipse IDE For Java
On 4/5/06, Renat Golubchyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:31:20 -0700 "Lord Sauron" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * dev-util/eclipse-sdk > > Latest version available: 3.0.1-r2 > > Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] > > Size of downloaded files: 54,314 kB > > Homepage:http://www.eclipse.org/ > > Description: Eclipse Tools Platform > > License: CPL-1.0 > > This one is not masked. I know, however, I want the whole she-bang, the whole IDE. A toolkit doesn't help me too much... : ( that is, unless I'm misunderstanding this. Under Debian Eclipse was just apt-get install eclipse and that was it. I don't know how I need to do it all in Gentoo. I've got time though. I only need this up by the start of school. School hasn't even ended yet. I'm just getting a head-start, so don't feel like you'll never hear from Lord Sauron again if we don't find a solution. I think that this means I have to change from -x86 to ~x86, however, I'm not entirely sure, and I'm not certain of the ramifications of doing this. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eclipse IDE For Java
On 4/6/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 4/6/06, Rafael Bugajewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So eclipse sdk is what you WANT. :-) I think the ebuild names let > > people misunderstand some things... Yeah, oftentimes I miss the presence of a nice graphical package browser like Synaptic. Even if I can't install stuff using it, it's still nice to just go shopping : ) It also included a more detailed description of the software. There'd be 3 or so levels of descriptors: the very short one, the medium one, and the very long one. It was very effective. > Actually, it is the eclipse project itself that has made this so damn > confusing. Take a look at their "About Us" page, and try to find > anywhere that it mentions an IDE. It is actually a development > platform for building IDEs, or other applications built on top of a > bunch of smaller tools. I just hear about it used a lot for making Java programs. If it gets too confusing, I'll just stick with KDevelop! I just hear that Eclipse is a Java-optimised IDE, and I'd like to use that instead of ultra-compatible KDevelop (which I perfer for C/C++, and am planning for use with bash as well). > On their downloads pagethe main download is "Eclipse SDK 3.1.2". > You won't find anywhere on their downloads pages to download the Java > IDE, because it is all part of the SDK! So the IDE is in the SDK? That's... strange. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Beautification - Splash
On 4/5/06, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 05 April 2006 13:49, "Lord Sauron" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] > Beautification - Splash': > > > You sent two copies of your message, one signed, the other not. You > > > also didn't publish your public key on any keyserver that my kmail > > > polls for keys (I think I poll 6 servers, though at least 3 of other > > > shares keys among themselves, too). > > > > So that's what people are talking about whenever they say there's > > gonna be a "public key signing!" I've been idly wondering what that > > could be. > > > > Okay... that makes sense now. > > No, a public key signing is when you verify that the key(s) provided by the > keyserver match the person they are supposed to. The keyserver provides a > key to you based on it's ID, and the key itself contains what emails > address it can be attached to, but that's don't tell you that *I* signed > it. You'd have to talk face-to-face with me (or some other pre-secured > method) to know that *I* uploaded that key. Anyone can upload a key > purporting to be from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and then send a message signed > with that key. (Keys are essentially random, and anyone can send a mail > with the "From" header saying "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". In the most > paranoid case, mail TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] [assuming it isn't a send-only > email address] can be intercepted by anyone with physical or root access > to the computer pointed to by the MX record of volumehost.net. Yeah, no system is foolproof. > > > This message is validly singed, although probably by a key you don't > > > trust (nor should you until to verify the key actually belongs to the > > > person it claims to). > > > > Most key servers use hardened linux or SE Linux, right? Since that is > > what they're supposed to be for? I think I could scrape together > > another cheap-o server to make into my own key server... that'd be > > cool. If nothing else it'd be nice to play with it a bit : ) > > Most keyservers were up and running before hardened or SE Linux was > available, but may have been upgraded. They are supposed to be difficult > to break into and/or spoof, just like any public server, but they are > *NOT* a source of trust. They accept and provide keys without any tests. > They are a convenient publishing method, they are *NOT* part of the trust > equation. Yeah, I was just thinking Hardened Linux would be a good choice b/c it's more resistant to some cracker breaking in and screwing stuff up all over the place. "Good data in, good data out; bad data in, bad data out" is the keyserver, but I don't want cracker pinhead to take the data and make it bad. > > > "If there's one thing we've established over the years, > > > it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest > > > clue what's best for them in terms of package stability." > > > -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh > > > > I honestly hope you're just joking. Really, the world gets much > > scarier when that is true... > > Check the Gmane archives if you don't believe me. Ciaran said it and has > yet to even take notice of my signature quoting him. Hell, sometimes I > almost believe it. In my most cynical moments, I think we should stop > helping people install Gentoo, just so we have some minimum competency > requirement for users. Yeah, there is a significant advantage to having competent users, however, when you make that distinction you narrow your target audience to so few people... > Then, I realize that I probably wouldn't have the wonderful Gentoo system I > have now without the support of the other Gentoo users; I'd probably be > running Debian. :/ I was a good person and learned all I could on Debian before trying Gentoo. That's why you don't see me asking questions like "what's bash" and "where's the start menu?" Luckily for you, that's where I picked up what few mailing-list manners I have ; ) You should have seen my posts before... scary. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eclipse IDE For Java
On 4/6/06, Jerry McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 06 April 2006 16:13, Richard Fish wrote: > > On 4/6/06, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Actually, it is the eclipse project itself that has made this so damn > > > > confusing. Take a look at their "About Us" page, and try to find > > > > anywhere that it mentions an IDE. It is actually a development > > > > platform for building IDEs, or other applications built on top of a > > > > bunch of smaller tools. > > > > > > I just hear about it used a lot for making Java programs. If it gets > > > too confusing, I'll just stick with KDevelop! > > > > Well, I think the IDE is very nice and easy to use. It is just the > > description of the project this is a bit difficult to understand. > > > > -Richard > > He said, "easy to use"... > > I'm impressed. Well... maybe I'm too old. Well, I think we can all agree that the easiest to use [editor] is nano[1]. However, I do appreciate the tools and automation offered by a IDE. 1. IMHO, if you can't use nano, then you have some major issues. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Eclipse IDE For Java
Just a follow up: Installed the SDK Package. I have Eclipse now. That's really weird... calling your IDE a SDK... I'm sure there's some non-logic behind it... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?
On 4/7/06, Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 09:35 +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote: > > > If you're not concerned with battery nor weight. I suggest you go for > > the Dell XPS Mobile concept (when it becomes available) > > > > Now, that is one _*#$*#_ of a laptop. > > > > Engadget just ran one of these. > > http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/07/dell-xps-mobile-concept-pc-to-shipping-this-May-as-xps-m2010/ > > 20.1 inch 1680x1050 w/ 4GB RAM. I know something's wrong here 'cause that's bigger than my CRT at home... I hope to get one of those gorgeous Apple Cinema HD Displays one of these days, but I can only hope and save my pennies : ) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] KDE Very Slow - Failed Sleep Command
Hello, This happened once before in Kubuntu, though this time I was more alert and know what I did right before this happened. So what did transpire? I sent my laptop into sleep mode via the popup menu on the battery monitor in KDE. It did this, however, when the machine came out of sleep mode, there was no monitor. It wasn't on. I tried my basic set of tricks: try and change the screen brightness; try and switch monitors via the key combo on the laptop; close the lid and re-open it; press the key combo to turn the monitor off; press the key combo to go back to sleep mode (didn't work). Eventually I picked a button that did work: POWER. The system shut down normally! After X11 died, it went back the the framebuffer and acted like nothing had happened. However, right after this, KDE has been acting *really* slow. Much slower than it should. # top revealed that artsd, xorg, and kded were eating cpu time. This is the same behaviour as on Kubuntu before. I suspect the cause was the same, however, I don't remember exactly so I won't point fingers. Do any of you know what this is? Do you think if I recompiled xorg, kde, and arts if it'd fix the problem? Or, even better, is there a way to axe all the configuration settings and see if that fixes the problem? Please help, I think it's affecting Gnome as well (scary!) Thanks for any input you can give! -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Very Slow - Failed Sleep Command
On 4/12/06, Hemmann, Volker Armin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 12 April 2006 01:45, Lord Sauron wrote: > > Hello, > > > > This happened once before in Kubuntu, though this time I was more > > alert and know what I did right before this happened. So what did > > transpire? > > > > I sent my laptop into sleep mode via the popup menu on the battery > > monitor in KDE. It did this, however, when the machine came out of > > sleep mode, there was no monitor. It wasn't on. I tried my basic set > > of tricks: try and change the screen brightness; try and switch > > monitors via the key combo on the laptop; close the lid and re-open > > it; press the key combo to turn the monitor off; press the key combo > > to go back to sleep mode (didn't work). > > > > Eventually I picked a button that did work: POWER. The system shut > > down normally! After X11 died, it went back the the framebuffer and > > acted like nothing had happened. > > > > However, right after this, KDE has been acting *really* slow. Much > > slower than it should. # top revealed that artsd, xorg, and kded were > > eating cpu time. This is the same behaviour as on Kubuntu before. I > > suspect the cause was the same, however, I don't remember exactly so I > > won't point fingers. > > > > Do any of you know what this is? Do you think if I recompiled xorg, > > kde, and arts if it'd fix the problem? Or, even better, is there a > > way to axe all the configuration settings and see if that fixes the > > problem? Please help, I think it's affecting Gnome as well (scary!) > > recompiling will fix NOTHING. If the filesystem got corrupted it might do something... though in retrospect not likely. > There are a lot of temporary files in /tmp and ~ / remove them and see if the > problem is still there. Actually, I did # top and took a closer look... my pagefile wasn't mounted. I fixed that... I think a hibernate command axed the swap partition. mkswap and swapon then fixed that problem. Oh well... it's what you get for toying with the (highly-experimental) ACPI stuff. > All KDE related configs are in ~/.kde3.5 (.kde3.4), so (re)moving that sets > KDE back to its 'fresh' state. Luckily I won't have to do that yet! Back when I was using Kubuntu I didn't know about mkswap and swapon, so I was rather mystified. However, I'm really happy I was able to find the problem. Shows I'm learning something : ) -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Very Slow - Failed Sleep Command
On 4/12/06, Teresa and Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martins Steinbergs wrote: > > > > > > >read ~/.xsession-errors > >maybe some hint there, once i had that file fill free space on /home with few > >GB 'cause busy filling errors Yeah, I'll be looking in there shortly to see if there's any residual problems. > >before start KDE also try remove previous session saves, maybe there some > >sassion saved in bad state > >rm ~/.kde/share/config/session/* I'll be doing that too. > You might also want to use top to see what, if anything, is using up > your CPU time. Also keep in mind that if the CPU is fairly idle that > the hard drive may be busy as well. I ran into this once before on a > really slow system and it was the updatedb program. It was nice'd > correctly but that doesn't apply to the hard drive. I read earlier that > they are working on that too though. On my laptop, it used to be (under the tyranny of the 350meg windows pagefile) that if the hard drive lit up the system was busy. Under linux if the cpu lights up it's busy. It's a nice change. The hard drive for the X40 is so darn slow... -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Very Slow - Failed Sleep Command
On 4/12/06, Teresa and Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My light blew out on one of my servers. No smoke but still no workey. > :-( I have to use top instead. Since the drive is so old, I can hear > it with no problems at all. A new LED and a soddering iron and you could fix it... -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT - which X terminal do you use?
On 16 May 2006 15:25:58 -0500, Harry Putnam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I love YaKuake. It's better than Kuake in that it's just Konsole on a > miniblinds widget. It's superior because of its ultra-accessibility. > Anywhere you can just hit your key combination and *pop* there's trusty old > YaKuake. It supports multiple console tabs, which is almost a total > necessity in my point of view. Just a little info you might like if you are a keycombo fan. Get xbindkeys and call any app with your own keycombos. Its on portage. However, the cool thing with yakuake is that it hides. It's not in the system tray, it's persistent, and out of the way. I've been able to type commands and stuff from internet sites into YaKuake without having to mess with windows sizes. It's really quite nice. You'll need to start it with X in whatever way your x allows one to do that. One problem can be setting combos that kde or whatever wants. Yah, I'm trying to beat KDE into letting Kompose handle alt+tab commands, but it's not going so well. I may have to hack, which will be fun, but I'm hoping I won't have to. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - which X terminal do you use?
On 5/16/06, Daniel Waeber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Willie Wong wrote: > On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 02:56:46PM -0500, Penguin Lover Harry Putnam squawked: >>> I also looked for a drop-down term. Couldn't find one that I really >>> liked, so just made a wrapper myself for aterm in fvwm using a >>> borderless window, key binding for focus and shading, and EdgeCommand. >>> >>> It is quite convenient. >> What do you guys mean by `drop-down'? >> > > Do you play FPS? Think how in many of those games you can hit ~ to > bring down a console that convers half the screen... > > The basic idea (for me, at least) is a terminal window that is sticky > (so persists between desktops) and, normally, is shaded. It should be > able to react to a keyboard trigger so it unrolls from the top of the > screen and stays always on top and doesn't lose focus when it is > unrolled. > > HTH, > > W Sounds nice. But i don't want kdelibs on my system. I use wmii-3. It is highly configurable, so hopefully i am able to make a script that can do this job with any x terminal. And if you use xcompmgr and transset-df you can make the terminal transparent. A twenty line bash script is a bit faster as kdelibs. Yup. You go man! I just use YaKuake 'cause KDELibs is already on my system and in memory whenever I'm using my laptop. If you're a KDE fan it's really nice, though I'm all for other WMs. I always try out new WMs whenever I get the chance. I'm particularly fond of fvwm, though it didn't work on Gentoo. I can't say I have the patience, drive or motive to make it work yet, but I am, for the record, a very pro-variety person. I'm also for M$ making a WM for linux and calling that Windows. If you start thinking it through, and minding that M$ engineers aren't evil bug-making machines, and rather overworked underpaid programmers trying to make an artificial corporate deadline, the advantages for both M$ and the Linux community are very great. We'd have to murder Steve Ballmer though - he's wy to proud to ever do something like that. And why am I not signing my messages anymore? I'm using the GMail webface right now, and... I killed .kde3.4 and .kde in my ~/ folder. KDE was running so darn slow and now its running much much faster. I didn't know that'd kill my KMail inbox... now I know. I haven't had the time to set KMail back up yet, so for now I'm using GMail's wonderful web interface again. It's not that bad... invites for whoever wants 'em it you just ask me. Anyways... just to keep this on-topic... perhaps the best way to work with the CLI is without a WM. That is, after all, what the WM is doing... at least to my meagre knowledge of Unix architecture. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] CD-ROM Isn't In fstab - don't know how to add it
I decided I needed major help with this one - in other words, a walk-through. I was working and shoved a CD into my laptop as I do every once in a while (not that often - I'm happy to use the network 99.999% of the time). Well, I stuck it in, and there wasn't any automounter action that I could see, so I wisely (for me, at least) went to fstab to find this: localhost ~ # cat /etc/fstab /dev/hda1/boot ext2defaults1 2 /dev/hda2noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/hda3/ ext3defaults0 1 none/proc procdefaults 0 0 none/dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 vfatnoauto,async,user,exec 0 0 My CD drive wasn't listed. Big surprise. To be more specific about the hardware I'm using, I'm using a CD RW/DVD-ROM drive in the docking station to my X40. Here's all the relevant entries from /dev that could help. Oops... tried "cat /dev/dvd..." didn't work too well. Started reading the *whole* contents of the CD. Gotta remember that next time... Well, now it complains that no medium is found. However, it looks like it's listed as /dev/hdc in addition to what I assume are aliases as /dev/dvd, /dev/cdrom, and /dev/cdrw. Sorry I can't be more precise, but I'd like some help with sticking this in fstab so that I can mount the disk and then use it. I'm so darn inexperienced with this. There isn't anything from /etc/mtab that could help, either: localhost etc # cat mtab /dev/hda3 / ext3 rw 0 0 proc /proc proc rw 0 0 sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0 udev /dev tmpfs rw,nosuid 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts rw 0 0 cachedir /lib/splash/cache tmpfs rw 0 0 /dev/hda1 /boot ext2 rw 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw,devmode=0664,devgid=85 0 0 I'm flummoxed. I don't even know where to begin, since anything I can try and Google will most likely not be for my system. Any help or pointers? -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] CD-ROM Isn't In fstab - don't know how to add it
On 5/22/06, Mark Kirkwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A line in /etc/fstab like this: /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom auto noauto,ro0 0 Should let access the cd/dvd: (root) # mount /mnt/cdrom (root) # ls /mnt/cdrom If you want users other than root to be able to mount it change 'noauto,ro' to 'noauto,user,ro'. Thanks! That's all the information I needed. I could have guessed about the /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom parts, however, I'd have never figured out the auto noauto,user,ro part. Thanks! -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
I think I may have made a break through here! I've always noticed that everything portage is very slow. It's like it's having to un-tar and un-bzip everything all the time... lo and behold, it is. I've found (after much exploration) that there is a archive: /portage-20060123.tar.bz2 This has - to the best of my knowledge - all the ebuild headers or whatever for everything. I know I can un-tar this and all, however, I want portage to use it in its uncompressed state, just to speed things up. I'm not burning for hard drive space, so a little more speed would be great. However, I have no idea where to start to try and configure portage to reflect a change like this. I've read the man pages for ebuild and emerge several times over without finding any hints, so I was thinking someone on this list would know. I also think that there's another file, /metadata.tar.bz2, which I think is portage-related. If possible I'd like to uncompress that as well. I think this is the cause of a slow portage because everything takes a long time to start going, then it's just fine. It takes about as long to start going as it does to open the archive /portage-20060123.tar.bz2 - conincidence? I think not! I also get the bonehead award: there was a new kernel sitting on my hard drive and just yesterday I found and installed it. It was remarkably easy to install! I loaded the configuration file from my old kernel and then just make && make install and it worked! I didn't even have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst! Dang... I got done and said "that was easy." I think I'm really getting the hang of all this! -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
On 5/25/06, Thomas Kirchner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * On May 25 11:45, Lord Sauron (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote: > I've found (after much exploration) that there is a archive: > /portage-20060123.tar.bz2 This is just a remnant from when you installed Gentoo. You can delete that file. Portage is already using uncompressed files under /usr/portage - that tarball is just a "starter" tarball that portage bootstraps itself with during the initial Gentoo installation. That's curious. So I can delete this tarball then? > I also think that there's another file, /metadata.tar.bz2, which I > think is portage-related. If possible I'd like to uncompress that as > well. I've never seen a metadata tarball. metadata.xml is something portage keeps uncompressed in /usr/portage for every package. I've got one on my hard drive. You can have it if you want ; ) > It takes about as long to start going as it does to open the archive > /portage-20060123.tar.bz2 - conincidence? I think not! I think so ;) If it's not, then I really need to ask why on earth portage takes so long to just index and search packages that took apt-get much less time to work with. I don't think it should be this slow. I'm not even talking about compile-times - I know and expect those to be slow, but just raw package searching and stuff is not that fast. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
sorry for my sin. I didn't know about eix. On 5/25/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Friday 26 May 2006 01:00 skrev Lord Sauron: > If it's not, then I really need to ask why on earth portage takes so > long to just index and search packages that took apt-get much less > time to work with. I don't think it should be this slow. I'm not > even talking about compile-times - I know and expect those to be slow, > but just raw package searching and stuff is not that fast. Do like the rest of us. emerge eix and use that for searching. Make sure to run update-eix everytime you have sync'ed portage or better yet, use eix-sync to sync portage. -- Bo Andresen -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
On 5/25/06, Iain Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 16:00 -0700, Lord Sauron wrote: > On 5/25/06, Thomas Kirchner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It takes about as long to start going as it does to open the archive > > > /portage-20060123.tar.bz2 - conincidence? I think not! > > > > I think so ;) > > If it's not, then I really need to ask why on earth portage takes so > long to just index and search packages that took apt-get much less > time to work with. In defence of portage, I estimate there are 11229 packages that portage has to search through descriptions, dependencies, masks, etc: apt-get (as of Debian 3.1 Sarge) searches 33,333 seperate packages or so. $ cd /usr/portage; find . -maxdepth 2 -mindepth 1 -type d | wc -l 11229 does apt-get really search this many packages? It does more. > I don't think it should be this slow. And I don't think I should have this little money :) But seriously, I think you trade off speed when searching, vs speed when syncing, vs keeping a database up to date. As already mentioned, there are other tools to help speed it up. Yeah, well... apt-get was faster on the sync and on the search. It's not fair to compare installation times, but it was also faster on calculating the dependencies. If anything, this is a indicator that I need to try and contribute to the portage project... at least contribute as much as I'm able. Also, On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 11:45 -0700, Lord Sauron wrote: > > I also get the bonehead award: there was a new kernel sitting on my > hard drive and just yesterday I found and installed it. It was > remarkably easy to install! I loaded the configuration file from my > old kernel and then just make && make install and it worked! I didn't > even have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst! Are you sure you're running it if you didn't have to edit grub? Does `uname -r` agree with the new version you just installed? I went through dmesg and stuff and I'm totally positive. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
On 5/25/06, Daniel da Veiga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/25/06, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've found (after much exploration) that there is a archive: > /portage-20060123.tar.bz2 Simply a portage snapshot, maybe the one you used to install Gentoo in the first place? Take a look at the date and tell me I'm wrong. Okay, the date is when I installed Gentoo. You're right. > This has - to the best of my knowledge - all the ebuild headers or > whatever for everything. I know I can un-tar this and all, however, I > want portage to use it in its uncompressed state, just to speed things > up. I'm not burning for hard drive space, so a little more speed > would be great. Of course, it is a portage snapshot, it has a whole compressed portage tree, used to install, or update portage when using alternative methods for those (like me) that lack the capacity to use remote RSYNC. Forgive my ignorance, but what is RSYNC? > However, I have no idea where to start to try and configure portage to > reflect a change like this. I've read the man pages for ebuild and > emerge several times over without finding any hints, so I was thinking > someone on this list would know. There's no "change" and there's no such feature. If you take a look at /usr/portage, you'll notice that is has all "portage related" stuff there, a snapshot is decompressed there when you install (correct me if I'm wrong, but you installed using the Gentoo Installer, didn't you? if you had a complete experience of Gentoo install, you would know that by now, that's why I strongly advice new users to AVOID THE INSTALLER). If you sync once in a while, it is updated. Portage is not kept compressed. Yeah, well this new Gentoo user wouldn't have gotten past partitioning my hard drive without the installer. I know it does let less experience people - like myself - into the community of vastly more experienced Gentoo users, however, I also think it's been a great tool for learning more about Linux. > I also think that there's another file, /metadata.tar.bz2, which I > think is portage-related. If possible I'd like to uncompress that as > well. Oh, this one was a good choice, metadata is used by portage, but if you take a look at /usr/portage/metadata, it is uncompressed there too, and that is what portage uses. So any portage slowness now is just because... yeah, I really should look into this, because I see no reason why portage should be running as slow as it is. > I think this is the cause of a slow portage because everything takes a > long time to start going, then it's just fine. It takes about as long > to start going as it does to open the archive > /portage-20060123.tar.bz2 - conincidence? I think not! But it is. That's because of caching, not because it uncompress everything every time and compress it again later, that would be stupid (forgive my language). > > I also get the bonehead award: there was a new kernel sitting on my > hard drive and just yesterday I found and installed it. It was > remarkably easy to install! I loaded the configuration file from my > old kernel and then just make && make install and it worked! I didn't > even have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst! Dang... I got done and said > "that was easy." I think I'm really getting the hang of all this! You have run an "emerge -u world" and it got the kernel sources, you have no special needs and so the default configuration fit your need, compiling kernels is EASY, making them work, that's a hard one. It booted, so I'm perfectly happy. It's spitting out coldplug errors right now, so I'm going to be hammering out some more settings, but it still boots and runs just fine, so I can't complain. You sincerely must be booting from your old kernel and your /usr/src/linux link must be pointing at your old sources, else you would have some problems and probably would have to recompile, reconfigure some stuff, because after make and all, you should copy the image to /boot and, if necessary, change the grub.conf (menu.lst) to point at the right file. I ran make && make install. I'm absolutely positive I'm running the new kernel because I've looked in /boot and it's there, and I've looked to check which kernel is actually running and it's the new one. The symlink in /usr/src is still pointing to the old kernel because I haven't bothered to change that yet, but I'll do it very soon. Especially since I gave in and unmasked YaKuake. I love Yakuake! See the Kernel upgrade guide at Gentoo.org for more info. I think I got it right the first time, which is ample reason for celebration as far as I'm concerned. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
On 5/25/06, Thomas Kirchner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * On May 25 16:44, Daniel da Veiga (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote: > (correct me if I'm wrong, but you installed using the Gentoo Installer, > didn't you? if you had a complete experience of Gentoo install, you > would know that by now, that's why I strongly advice new users to AVOID > THE INSTALLER) Good point, Daniel. I totally forgot about the installer because I've never even looked at it, but you're right - the only way someone could miss that is if they used the installer or if someone else installed Gentoo for them. That said, I must reiterate the sentiment - avoid the installer like the plague. (Sorry, installer project folks. I just don't agree with it.) To the original poster, and to anyone else who has used the installer, please do the list and yourselves a favor - read the guides, learn your system. I don't mean this to be rude in any way, but you'll get much more benefit out of Gentoo that way. I'm learning Gentoo as fast and as much as I can! I've fixed many problems by myself that you haven't heard about because I managed to fix them myself. I'm not as idiotic as some, but I'm not at all familiar with portage and that's why I'm asking: I'm a hardened apt-get veteran, but with portage I'm still learning, which is why I ask. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
On 5/25/06, Daniel da Veiga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/25/06, Iain Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 18:20 -0300, Daniel da Veiga wrote: > > > Anyway, the OP is using genkernel (wether it likes/knows it or not)... > > This doesn't look like genkernel: > It doesn't have to look, he used the Gentoo installer, and so, it IS GENKERNEL. It's not genkernel. I don't use genkernel. I do *not* like genkernel. > > I loaded the configuration file from my > > old kernel and then just make && make install > > to use genkernel, you have to call genkernel. If he's typing make && > make install, then he's just using the plain old kernel makefile. That if you do a manual install, the installer use it, or better, if you choose it will use the same kernel as the livecd, that is, voilá, genkernel. Try it, its pretty cool. Most settings from the original install are gone because I'm pretty nuts about customizing things. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
On 5/26/06, leszek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Forgive my ignorance, but what is RSYNC? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rsync basically, portage use rsync to update the information on packages (ebuilds) in /usr/portage (with emerge --sync) > If anything, this is a indicator that I need to try and contribute to > the portage project... at least contribute as much as I'm able. you should try the ~x86 version of portage which has many improvements: $ echo "sys-apps/portage ~x86" >> /etc/portage/package.use $ emerge portage Just a question, but there's got to be a reason why it's still in ~x86. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Google Picasa for Linux!
On 5/26/06, JimD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is official. http://picasa.google.com/linux/ It installs and runs well with Gentoo. Yay! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= There's no place like 127.0.0.1 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= JimD Central FL, USA, Earth, Sol Milky Way galaxy, Orion arm, &c. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Google Picasa for Linux!
On 5/26/06, Ptitjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: JimD a gentiment tapote: > It is official. > > http://picasa.google.com/linux/ > > It installs and runs well with Gentoo. > > Jim > Hi, 404 Error Not found ! Worked just fine for me... -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Google Picasa for Linux!
To clear this up, I will send the .tar.gz file to anyone who asks for it. Just beware: it's over 20 megs, so I'm going to have to slice it into many files so that you can re-assemble it. My email won't send over ten megs. But if you're having trouble, I'll send it. Just contact me (preferably off-list - we don't need to clog up everyone's inbox all at the same time, I don't think). -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
On 5/27/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Saturday 27 May 2006 13:42 skrev Iain Buchanan: > I've heard that argument before, and I don't know why some people see > that behaviour - esearch only takes seconds for me... It's not the esearch binary versus the eix binary where there is a big difference. It's eupdatedb which takes a very long time compared to update-eix. Is this getting to the point of ferocity of the legendary emacs vs. vi wars I've heard so much about? At this rate, I'm inclined to recommend Kuroo to all of you. I've been kicking the tires in on it, and it's really quite good. http://kuroo.org/ app-portage/kuroo -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
On 5/28/06, Thomas Kirchner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * On May 27 11:29, Lord Sauron (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote: > At this rate, I'm inclined to recommend Kuroo to all of you. I've > been kicking the tires in on it, and it's really quite good. I have a feeling that, given people who extensively discuss the merits of esearch vs. eix, you're not going to convince them to use a portage frontend ;) Just trying to change the subject before the debate becomes a flame war. (PS - eix all the way - it also has customizable formatting and more powerful expressions) I don't care, so long as it works. Right now for small jobs eix seems to work, and so be it! -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow
On 5/28/06, Thomas Kirchner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * On May 25 21:45, Lord Sauron (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote: > I'm learning Gentoo as fast and as much as I can! Cool! I hope you like it as much as the others here - it's a great system for a lot of uses. It's really nice. I like it a lot, however, I still think I need to find a way to use distcc with my faster windows box - compiling stuff on a pentium-m is excrutiatingly painful! Yeah, Gentoo's worderful, just a little difficult to use at times if you're not a seasoned Linux guru. > I've fixed many problems by myself that you haven't heard about because > I managed to fix them myself. I'm not as idiotic as some, but I'm not > at all familiar with portage and that's why I'm asking: I'm a hardened > apt-get veteran, but with portage I'm still learning, which is why I > ask. I wasn't trying to be rude, and you're certainly not idiotic - I just think it's to everyone's benefit to read the docs. Gentoo has very good documentation. I just seem to find them hard to find! Look carefully for a link on the Gentoo home page to the (excellent) Gentoo Wiki. Not there - at least that I can find. Gentoo's got some great docs... just a little hard to find 'em. That's all. And trust me, I read many man pages before firing off this email. I did my homework ; ) -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] lcd console fonts
On 5/30/06, maxim wexler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi group, The console fonts in my new LCD monitor are H-U-G-E. Attempts to shrink them by adding vga=xxx at the grub prompt after the kernel line has no effect. Here's the entire grub session: I'm not exactly sure, however, I'm making my best educated guess at this. grub> root (hd0,1) grub> kernel /vmlinuz vga=794 #1280x1024(so I'm told) Mine looks like video=vesafb:[EMAIL PROTECTED], and so on. I'd think that vga=794:1280x1024 or something might work. However, I wouldn't know for sure. I'm interested to learn what is the correct solution though - It'll be neat to see more of how grub behaves. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] lcd console fonts
On 5/30/06, Daniel da Veiga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/30/06, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/30/06, maxim wexler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi group, > > > > The console fonts in my new LCD monitor are H-U-G-E. > > Attempts to shrink them by adding vga=xxx at the grub > > prompt after the kernel line has no effect. Here's the > > entire grub session: > > I'm not exactly sure, however, I'm making my best educated guess at this. > > > grub> root (hd0,1) > > > > grub> kernel /vmlinuz vga=794 #1280x1024(so I'm told) > > Mine looks like video=vesafb:[EMAIL PROTECTED], and so on. I'd think > that vga=794:1280x1024 or something might work. However, I wouldn't > know for sure. I'm interested to learn what is the correct solution > though - It'll be neat to see more of how grub behaves. > If you compiled your kernel with framebuffer support, either using vesafb or vesa-tng, you'll have to tell the bootloader to instruct the kernel on dealing with your display. Check: I was closer than I was far, right? Just that I'm getting better is a good sign. Four months ago I would have no clue whatsoever, so as far as I'm concerned improvement is good. http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_fbsplash#What_is_a_Frame_Buffer_Device.3F for a complete guide. I'll be looking at that. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] EMERGENCY - GCC GONE!
This is - for me - an emergency. No pun intended. I had to get rid of all gcc versions 3.4.5 and greater to work with gcc in Cygwin on my desktop to speed up the emerge of KDE 3.5 such that I wouldn't finish when KDE 4.0 was released. I gave it some pretty explicit instructions AFTER emerging gcc-3.4.4-r1. emerge --unmerge gcc-3.4.5 gcc-3.4.5-r1 (the only two greater that 3.4.4 that I had installed). For reasons that I can't fathom, gcc, is now gone. Totally. Completely. Not there. I know some of you are going to be laughing your heads off at what can only be a gigantic error in syntaxing my command to emerge, however, I don't find it at all funny. I can't start KDE, I can't emerge gcc to fix the problem, I can't eix gcc to see what versions of gcc are still there, and other things. To me it looks like Python is totally broken. It keeps asking for libstdc++.so.6, which apparently no longer exists. I'm totally and completely devoid of all ideas to fix this problem. My best idea has been to try and distcc with my desktop a version of gcc, however, if even emerge --search won't work, I'm willing to bet that adding FEATURES="distcc" to my make.conf won't do much more than make a minor footnote in the list of problems I face. I'm pretty much scared of having to either 1) reinstall Gentoo or 2) go back to Kubuntu, so help here would be beyond excellent. I'm not sure how violate an idea this is, but I think it might (some gigantic emphasis on the might part) be possible to take another generic i386/i686 copy of libstdc++.so.6 and paste it into where it's needed. I think this might fix the problem so that I can the get emerge to work enough to distcc my way into patching up my critically wounded system. Before anyone makes me confess, YES! I KILLED MY SYSTEM! However, I have to defend my pride in saying it wasn't something dumb like blindly following some rm -r command from some website. Any help here would be just great. Thanks for any help you can give in advance. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] EMERGENCY - GCC GONE!
On 5/31/06, Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 04:28:45PM -0700, Lord Sauron wrote: > This is - for me - an emergency. No pun intended. > > I had to get rid of all gcc versions 3.4.5 and greater to work with > gcc in Cygwin on my desktop to speed up the emerge of KDE 3.5 such > that I wouldn't finish when KDE 4.0 was released. > > I gave it some pretty explicit instructions AFTER emerging > gcc-3.4.4-r1. emerge --unmerge gcc-3.4.5 gcc-3.4.5-r1 (the only two > greater that 3.4.4 that I had installed). > > For reasons that I can't fathom, gcc, is now gone. Totally. > Completely. Not there. Couple of things first. Does 'gcc-config -l' show anything (ie: a list of compilers still installed). Secondly, you can relatively easily No, I must miserably admit that it does not list anything. restore a gcc by creating a binary package from another gentoo server (I forget the exact steps for this, basically you can dump all the files provided by an ebuild into a binary that you can install by simply untarring it in your /) or use the binary package that is on one of the install/complete CDs. Is there a manual? This wouldn't have anything to do with GRP, would it? I'm just throwing that out there as a guess since I think it was GRP that installed Gentoo without compiling, something that saved me s much time when installing. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] EMERGENCY - GCC GONE!
On 5/31/06, Rumen Yotov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I keep binaries for all major/critical packages of my system - gcc,glibc But their usage depends on processor family, USE flags for gcc etc. Will put a binary tarball of "gcc-3.4.6-r1" (gcc-3.4.6-r1.tbz2)-25MB. CFLAGS="-O2 -march=athlon-xp -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6-r1 USE="boundschecking fortran gcj gtk nls objc -bootstrap -build -doc -hardened -ip28 -multislot -nocxx -nopie -nossp -vanilla" Place: ftp.qrypto.org PS: to install put it in / (root dir), tar xjvf gcc-3.4.6-r1.tbz2 (ignore last massages). Then if lucky remerge any GCC you want. HTH.Rumen So I'm just going to untar it to / by tar xjvf gcc-3.4.5-r1.tbz2? That's significantly less painful than I was expecting this to be. I'm working on that now. I'm downloading it, and then I'll be putting it to a USB drive to then migrate to the afflicted machine (I'm not pro enough to know how to download something without the crux of a GUI - sorry, it's the horrible truth.) Thanks a million for the help. I was really making some great progress as far as learning more and more about Gentoo and linux in general, and it'd be a shame to waste time on reinstalling because I was a dork and did something stupid like killing gcc. I should be able to say whether your steps worked within an hour or so. Thanks again. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] EMERGENCY - GCC GONE!
On 5/31/06, Justin R Findlay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 10:23:48PM -0700, Lord Sauron wrote: > > So I'm just going to untar it to / by tar xjvf gcc-3.4.5-r1.tbz2? No. [EMAIL PROTECTED] # cp gcc-3.4.5-r1.tbz2 /usr/portage/packages [EMAIL PROTECTED] # emerge -k "=gcc-3.4.5-r1" Oh. Not /usr/portage/distfiles or whatever? Oh, yeah, distfiles is for the sources, right... My download is still at 4%, so this could take a while ; ) Not anywhere near as long as compiling without a compiler though. And make sure PKGDIR is set to /usr/portage/packages in your /etc/make.conf. I'll check that out. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] EMERGENCY - GCC GONE!
On 5/31/06, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/31/06, Justin R Findlay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 10:23:48PM -0700, Lord Sauron wrote: > > > > So I'm just going to untar it to / by tar xjvf gcc-3.4.5-r1.tbz2? > > No. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] # cp gcc-3.4.5-r1.tbz2 /usr/portage/packages > [EMAIL PROTECTED] # emerge -k "=gcc-3.4.5-r1" Oh. Not /usr/portage/distfiles or whatever? Oh, yeah, distfiles is for the sources, right... My download is still at 4%, so this could take a while ; ) Not anywhere near as long as compiling without a compiler though. > And make sure PKGDIR is set to /usr/portage/packages in your > /etc/make.conf. I'll check that out. A little bit more help here is needed. You know you're in trouble when man make.conf gives an error code. -- == GCv3.12 == GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+ L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+ V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+ DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y = END GCv3.12 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
