[gentoo-user] ncurses / tinfo problem

[Helmut Jarausch]

Hi,
there are several packages which fail to link since they are missing  
'-ltinfo' - recently

app-antivirus/clamav-0.99.4-r1

For a temporary fix I have edited the config.status file by changing

S["CURSES_LIBS"]="-lncurses"
to
S["CURSES_LIBS"]="-lncurses -ltinfo"

and using

ebuild /usr/portage/app-antivirus/clamav/clamav-0.99.4-r1.ebuild merge

But I think that this is a more general problem.

Has anybody found a fix which works for several such packages?

Many thanks for a hint,
Helmut

Re: [gentoo-user] ncurses / tinfo problem

[Daniel Pielmeier]

Am March 30, 2018 10:07:41 AM UTC schrieb Helmut Jarausch :
>Hi,
>there are several packages which fail to link since they are missing  
>'-ltinfo' - recently
>app-antivirus/clamav-0.99.4-r1
>
>For a temporary fix I have edited the config.status file by changing
>
>S["CURSES_LIBS"]="-lncurses"
>to
>S["CURSES_LIBS"]="-lncurses -ltinfo"
>
>and using
>
>ebuild /usr/portage/app-antivirus/clamav/clamav-0.99.4-r1.ebuild merge
>
>But I think that this is a more general problem.
>
>Has anybody found a fix which works for several such packages?
>
>Many thanks for a hint,
>Helmut

This are bugs in the build system of the package which is not detecting the 
separate library. You should file a bug about it.

Is there a special requirement for building ncurses with tinfo? If not the easy 
fix is disabling the tinfo USE flag for ncurses.

-- 
Best Regards
Daniel

Re: [gentoo-user] ncurses / tinfo problem

[Daniel Pielmeier]

Am March 30, 2018 10:07:41 AM UTC schrieb Helmut Jarausch :
>Hi,
>there are several packages which fail to link since they are missing  
>'-ltinfo' - recently
>app-antivirus/clamav-0.99.4-r1
>
>For a temporary fix I have edited the config.status file by changing
>
>S["CURSES_LIBS"]="-lncurses"
>to
>S["CURSES_LIBS"]="-lncurses -ltinfo"
>
>and using
>
>ebuild /usr/portage/app-antivirus/clamav/clamav-0.99.4-r1.ebuild merge
>
>But I think that this is a more general problem.
>
>Has anybody found a fix which works for several such packages?
>
>Many thanks for a hint,
>Helmut

https://bugs.gentoo.org/457530 tracks all packages having the same problem.

-- 
Regards
Daniel

Re: [gentoo-user] ncurses / tinfo problem

[Helmut Jarausch]

On 03/30/2018 12:26:33 PM, Daniel Pielmeier wrote:
Am March 30, 2018 10:07:41 AM UTC schrieb Helmut Jarausch  
:

>Hi,
>there are several packages which fail to link since they are missing
>'-ltinfo' - recently
>app-antivirus/clamav-0.99.4-r1
>
>For a temporary fix I have edited the config.status file by changing
>
>S["CURSES_LIBS"]="-lncurses"
>to
>S["CURSES_LIBS"]="-lncurses -ltinfo"
>
>and using
>
>ebuild /usr/portage/app-antivirus/clamav/clamav-0.99.4-r1.ebuild  
merge

>
>But I think that this is a more general problem.
>
>Has anybody found a fix which works for several such packages?
>
>Many thanks for a hint,
>Helmut

This are bugs in the build system of the package which is not  
detecting the separate library. You should file a bug about it.


Is there a special requirement for building ncurses with tinfo? If  
not the easy fix is disabling the tinfo USE flag for ncurses.




Many thanks, Daniel.
I can't remember why I HAD TO add the tinfo USE flag to ncurses.

Re: [gentoo-user] ncurses / tinfo problem

[Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov]

> I can't remember why I HAD TO add the tinfo USE flag to ncurses.

AFAIRC, android-related things required that, for example.

[gentoo-user] Re: upgrade to gcc-6.4.0

[Kai Krakow]

Am Thu, 15 Mar 2018 20:37:45 -0600 schrieb thelma:

> On 03/15/2018 08:26 PM, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> I'm upgrading one of my older boxes to newer gcc-6.4.0
>> After switching to gcc-6.4.0 
>> source /etc/profile
>> 
>> running: emerge --ask --oneshot sys-devel/libtool
>> 
>> !!! Your current profile is deprecated and not supported anymore.
>> !!! Use eselect profile to update your profile.
>> !!! Please upgrade to the following profile if possible:
>> 
>> default/linux/amd64/17.0/desktop
>> 
>> You may use the following command to upgrade:
>> 
>> eselect profile set default/linux/amd64/17.0/desktop
>> 
>> 
>> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>> 
>> Calculating dependencies... done!
>> [ebuild U  ] sys-devel/automake-1.15.1-r2 [1.15-r2] USE="{-test%}" 
>> [ebuild   R] sys-devel/libtool-2.4.6-r3 
>> [blocks B  ] > blocking sys-devel/libtool-2.4.6-r3)
>> 
>>  * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
>>  * installed at the same time on the same system.
>> --
>> I did not switch to new profile "17" yet.  I was trying to rebuild 
>> "sys-devel/libtool" first, but got a blocker.
> 
> I upgraded the "sys-apps/sandbox" and now it allows me to run:
> emerge --ask --oneshot sys-devel/libtool
> 
> So why didn't emerge do it automatically, upgrade the "sandbox" ?

Running "emerge --oneshot" doesn't consider reverse dependencies.

You can manually inject those with

# emerge --ask --oneshot sys-devel/libtool --reinstall-atoms=sys-apps/sandbox
 

If you want to inject more than one dependency, use

# ... --reinstall-atoms={a,b,c}

or

# ... --reinstall-atoms="a b c"


-- 
Regards,
Kai

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[gentoo-user] Re: emerge --oneshot portage

[Kai Krakow]

Am Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:52:34 -0600 schrieb thelma:

> Thelma
> On 03/13/2018 12:11 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 11:36:12 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> 
>>> sys-apps/portage:0
>>>
>>>   (sys-apps/portage-2.3.16:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>>> pulled in by sys-apps/portage (Argument)
>>>
>>>   (sys-apps/portage-2.3.6:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
>>> 
>>> sys-apps/portage[python_targets_pypy(-)?,python_targets_python2_7(-)?,python_targets_python3_4(-)?,python_targets_python3_5(-)?,-python_single_target_pypy(-),-python_single_target_python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_4(-),-python_single_target_python3_5(-)]
>>> required by (app-portage/gentoolkit-0.3.3:0/0::gentoo, installed)
>> 
>> Your old version of gentoolkit (and other packages mentioned in the full
>> output) is causing this. Trying to upgrade an out of date system
>> piecemeal can cause this. Just do an emerge -u @system and let portage
>> resolve these issues rather than trying to do it yourself.
> 
> I spoke too soon.  Now, when I try: emerge -u @system
> I'm getting an error as well.
> 
> emerge -ua @system
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> 
> WARNING: One or more updates/rebuilds have been skipped due to a dependency 
> conflict:
> 
> sys-libs/zlib:0
> 
>   (sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1:0/1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) conflicts 
> with
> >=sys-libs/zlib-1.2.8-r1:0/0=[abi_x86_32(-),abi_x86_64(-)] required by 
> (media-libs/lcms-2.8-r1:2/2::gentoo, installed)
> ^ 
|
Note this --+

> 
> sys-libs/readline:0
> 
>   (sys-libs/readline-7.0_p3:0/7::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) 
> conflicts with
> sys-libs/readline:0/0= required by (dev-lang/ruby-2.1.9:2.1/2.1::gentoo, 
> installed)
>  ^
 |
And this too +

> !!! The following update(s) have been skipped due to unsatisfied dependencies
> !!! triggered by backtracking:
> 
> app-shells/bash:0

Emerge seems to be unable to resolve subslot changes properly and
doesn't issue a rebuild automatically for those. It's a headache I
regularly have to deal with when upgrading Qt.

As you can see from the output, the subslot requirement changed from
"0/0" (as required by lcms) to "0/1" (as required by your emerge
request). Similar goes for readline and ruby.

As written in the other post, you can usually inject those reinstalls
manually with:

# emerge ... --reinstall-atoms={lcms,ruby}

If you are using color output, these are usually easily spotted as
they are the blue package names.


-- 
Regards,
Kai

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[gentoo-user] bash scrip prompt after bootstrap

[thelma]

I'm using a scrip to log-in/boot strap the system over NFS

-
#!/bin/sh

HOST=${0##*/}
HOST=${HOST#*-}
ROOT=/mnt/${HOST}
...
exec chroot '${ROOT}' /bin/bash -l
---

When I'm presented with bash prompt, it is the same as the one I logged
IN from.  So to eliminate the confusion I would like to change (add to)
the bash prompt the "HOST' name I log-in to.

When I log-in I'm presented with: "syscon3 #"
I would like it to be: ROOT+HOST
eg.: syscon3-eden

-- 
Thelma

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge --oneshot portage

[thelma]

On 03/30/2018 08:01 AM, Kai Krakow wrote:
> Am Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:52:34 -0600 schrieb thelma:
> 
>> Thelma
>> On 03/13/2018 12:11 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 11:36:12 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>>
 sys-apps/portage:0

   (sys-apps/portage-2.3.16:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
 pulled in by sys-apps/portage (Argument)

   (sys-apps/portage-2.3.6:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
 
 sys-apps/portage[python_targets_pypy(-)?,python_targets_python2_7(-)?,python_targets_python3_4(-)?,python_targets_python3_5(-)?,-python_single_target_pypy(-),-python_single_target_python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_4(-),-python_single_target_python3_5(-)]
 required by (app-portage/gentoolkit-0.3.3:0/0::gentoo, installed)
>>>
>>> Your old version of gentoolkit (and other packages mentioned in the full
>>> output) is causing this. Trying to upgrade an out of date system
>>> piecemeal can cause this. Just do an emerge -u @system and let portage
>>> resolve these issues rather than trying to do it yourself.
>>
>> I spoke too soon.  Now, when I try: emerge -u @system
>> I'm getting an error as well.
>>
>> emerge -ua @system
>>
>> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>>
>> Calculating dependencies... done!
>>
>> WARNING: One or more updates/rebuilds have been skipped due to a dependency 
>> conflict:
>>
>> sys-libs/zlib:0
>>
>>   (sys-libs/zlib-1.2.11-r1:0/1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) 
>> conflicts with
>> >=sys-libs/zlib-1.2.8-r1:0/0=[abi_x86_32(-),abi_x86_64(-)] required by 
>> (media-libs/lcms-2.8-r1:2/2::gentoo, installed)
>> ^ 
> |
> Note this --+
> 
>>
>> sys-libs/readline:0
>>
>>   (sys-libs/readline-7.0_p3:0/7::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) 
>> conflicts with
>> sys-libs/readline:0/0= required by (dev-lang/ruby-2.1.9:2.1/2.1::gentoo, 
>> installed)
>>  ^
>  |
> And this too +
> 
>> !!! The following update(s) have been skipped due to unsatisfied dependencies
>> !!! triggered by backtracking:
>>
>> app-shells/bash:0
> 
> Emerge seems to be unable to resolve subslot changes properly and
> doesn't issue a rebuild automatically for those. It's a headache I
> regularly have to deal with when upgrading Qt.
> 
> As you can see from the output, the subslot requirement changed from
> "0/0" (as required by lcms) to "0/1" (as required by your emerge
> request). Similar goes for readline and ruby.
> 
> As written in the other post, you can usually inject those reinstalls
> manually with:
> 
> # emerge ... --reinstall-atoms={lcms,ruby}
> 
> If you are using color output, these are usually easily spotted as
> they are the blue package names.

THANK YOU! for the explanation.
Finally somebody was able to explain it clearly.
I've added your explanation to my special notes.  Next time I'll know
what to do.

Happy Easter!
--
Thelma

Re: [gentoo-user] bash scrip prompt after bootstrap

[Bas Zoutendijk]

On Fri 30 Mar 2018 at 10:33:45 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> I'm using a scrip to log-in/boot strap the system over NFS
> 
> -
> #!/bin/sh
> 
> HOST=${0##*/}
> HOST=${HOST#*-}
> ROOT=/mnt/${HOST}
> ...
> exec chroot '${ROOT}' /bin/bash -l
> ---
> 
> When I'm presented with bash prompt, it is the same as the one I logged
> IN from.  So to eliminate the confusion I would like to change (add to)
> the bash prompt the "HOST' name I log-in to.
> 
> When I log-in I'm presented with: "syscon3 #"
> I would like it to be: ROOT+HOST
> eg.: syscon3-eden

  To change the prompt you want to set $PS1.  For example:

echo 'export PS1="some string"; exec 

Re: [gentoo-user] bash scrip prompt after bootstrap

[thelma]

On 03/30/2018 11:10 AM, Bas Zoutendijk wrote:
> On Fri 30 Mar 2018 at 10:33:45 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> I'm using a scrip to log-in/boot strap the system over NFS
>>
>> -
>> #!/bin/sh
>>
>> HOST=${0##*/}
>> HOST=${HOST#*-}
>> ROOT=/mnt/${HOST}
>> ...
>> exec chroot '${ROOT}' /bin/bash -l
>> ---
>>
>> When I'm presented with bash prompt, it is the same as the one I logged
>> IN from.  So to eliminate the confusion I would like to change (add to)
>> the bash prompt the "HOST' name I log-in to.
>>
>> When I log-in I'm presented with: "syscon3 #"
>> I would like it to be: ROOT+HOST
>> eg.: syscon3-eden
> 
>   To change the prompt you want to set $PS1.  For example:
> 
> echo 'export PS1="some string"; exec  /bin/bash -i
> 
> This command tells the Bash inside the chroot to first execute
> 
> export PS1="some string"
> 
> and then to  continue as a regular log-in  shell.  The special syntax of
> the $PS1 string in described in the  Bash man page.  If you just want to
> prepend a string, you do not even have to bother with crafting a syntax:
> 
> echo 'export PS1="(chroot '$HOST') $PS1"; exec  $ROOT /bin/bash -i
> 
>   Sincerely,
> 
>  Bas

Thank you for the input. I'll try it as soon as my box finished
compiling (-e @world), and post the complete script; to boot strap over
NFS (it might help others).

This method of compiling give some of my old (obsolete) system new lease
of life.
I've dusted off my retired (it hasn't been updated in over 250-days):
VIA Eden Processor 1200MHz  1GB of RAM
(was running asterisk, hylafax)

and updating it over NFS.
gcc-6.4.0-r1 took only 1:39hr to compile over NFS on:
AMD Ryzen 5 1400 Quad-Core Processor  16GB or RAM

When I was switching to a new profile on my another system (in production)
Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU  330   @ 1.60GHz 2GB or RAM

and gcc-6.4.0-r1 with MAKEOPTS="-j5" would not compile; I had to
downgraded recompile gcc with MAKEOPTS="-j1"
gcc-6.4.0-r1 with MAKEOPTS="-j5" was running for over 6hr and
failed;with  MAKEOPTS="-j1" it took over 12hr to compile just
gcc-6.4.0-r1  :-/

What a wast of time! considering that on that network I have AMD 8-core
with 32GB of RAM idling.
If I implemented that bootstrap over NFS it would recompile my entire
@world in 1 days (or 12hr) instead of several several days.

Happy Easter to everybody!
--
Thelma

[gentoo-user] shutdown: /run/initctl: No such file or directory ???

[tuxic]

Hi,

just a minute before I wanted to shutdown my Linux box...and...
shutdown: /run/initctl: No such file or directory

Today I did the following ubdates
Fri Mar 30 04:03:37 2018 <<< net-misc/dhcpcd-7.0.1
Fri Mar 30 04:03:41 2018 >>> net-misc/dhcpcd-7.0.2
Fri Mar 30 04:04:24 2018 <<< app-editors/nano-2.9.4
Fri Mar 30 04:04:32 2018 >>> app-editors/nano-2.9.5
Fri Mar 30 14:36:35 2018 >>> dev-python/pyyaml-3.12
Fri Mar 30 14:36:42 2018 <<< sys-apps/sysvinit-2.88-r9
Fri Mar 30 14:36:45 2018 >>> sys-apps/sysvinit-2.89
Fri Mar 30 14:36:56 2018 <<< sys-apps/portage-2.3.26
Fri Mar 30 14:37:01 2018 >>> sys-apps/portage-2.3.27
Fri Mar 30 14:37:17 2018 <<< app-portage/repoman-2.3.7
Fri Mar 30 14:37:23 2018 >>> app-portage/repoman-2.3.9
Fri Mar 30 14:37:32 2018 <<< media-radio/gpredict-2.2
Fri Mar 30 14:37:35 2018 >>> media-radio/gpredict-2.2.1

What may have killed /run/initctl ?

/run has currently this content:


zsh:1: no such file or directory: /sl
total 68
-rw---  1 root  root  0 Mar 30 03:56 agetty.reload
drwx--  2 root  root 40 Mar 30 03:55 alsasound
drwx--x---  2 root  apache   40 Mar 30 03:55 apache2
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  root 40 Mar 30 03:55 apache_ssl_mutex
-rw-r--r--  1 root  root  6 Mar 30 16:40 atop.pid
-rw-r--r--  1 root  root  5 Mar 30 03:55 autofs.pid
--  1 root  root  5 Mar 30 03:55 autofs-running
-rw-r--r--  1 root  root  5 Mar 30 03:55 cgred.pid
srw-rw  1 root  root  0 Mar 30 03:55 cgred.socket
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  root 80 Mar 30 03:55 ConsoleKit
drwx--  2 root  root 40 Mar 30 03:55 cryptsetup
drwxrwxr-x  2 root  root 60 Mar 30 03:55 dbus
-rw-r--r--  1 root  root  5 Mar 30 03:55 dbus.pid
drwxr-xr-x  4 root  root 80 Mar 30 21:48 dhcpcd
-rw-r--r--  1 root  root  5 Mar 30 03:55 dhcpcd.pid
srw-rw  1 root  root  0 Mar 30 03:55 dhcpcd.sock
srw-rw-rw-  1 root  root  0 Mar 30 03:55 dhcpcd.unpriv.sock
srwxrwxrwx  1 root  root  0 Mar 30 03:55 fcron.fifo
-rw-r--r--  1 root  root  5 Mar 30 03:55 fcron.pid
--  1 root  root  0 Mar 30 03:55 fcron.reboot
drwx--  2 fetchmail nobody   40 Mar 30 03:55 fetchmail
-rw-r--r--  1 root  root  5 Mar 30 03:55 gpm.pid
drwxrwxr-x  3 root  uucp 80 Mar 30 21:50 lock
drwxrwxr-x  2 root  root 60 Mar 30 03:55 lvm
-rw-r--r--  1 root  root  5 Mar 30 03:55 lvmetad.pid
-rw-r--r--  1 root  root  5 Mar 30 03:55 metalog.pid
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  root 40 Mar 30 03:55 mount
drwxrwxr-x 14 root  root360 Mar 30 03:56 openrc
drwxr-xr-x  4 root  root 80 Mar 30 18:17 pm-utils
-rw---  1 root  root 52 Mar 30 03:55 slim.auth
-rw-r--r--  1 root  root  5 Mar 30 03:55 slim.pid
-rw---  1 root  root  5 Mar 30 03:55 smartd.pid
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  root 40 Mar 30 03:55 smokeping
-rw-r--r--  1 root  root  5 Mar 30 03:55 spamd.pid
-rw-r--r--  1 root  root  5 Mar 30 03:56 sshd.pid
drwxrwxr-x  2 root  root 60 Mar 30 03:55 tmpfiles.d
drwxr-xr-x  8 root  root180 Mar 30 18:12 udev
-rw-rw-r--  1 root  utmp   4224 Mar 30 03:56 utmp

The timestamps look very suspicious...


Any idea of what has happened to initctl?

Cheers
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] shutdown: /run/initctl: No such file or directory ???

[karl]

Meino:
> just a minute before I wanted to shutdown my Linux box...and...
> shutdown: /run/initctl: No such file or directory
...

$ ls -l /run/initctl
prw--- 1 root root 0 Mar 16 21:50 /run/initctl|

I.e. it is a named pipe, which you can use to tell init things, like
to shutdown.

# man init | grep -A2 SIGUSR
   SIGUSR1
On receipt of this signals, init closes and re-opens  its  control
fifo, /dev/initctl. Useful for bootscripts when /dev is remounted.

So, try "kill -SIGUSR1 1" to make init recreate that pipe.

NOTE:
  If you use something else than sysv-init, the above might not apply.

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

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Re: [gentoo-user] shutdown: /run/initctl: No such file or directory ???

[Mike Gilbert]

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 3:56 PM,   wrote:
> Hi,
>
> just a minute before I wanted to shutdown my Linux box...and...
> shutdown: /run/initctl: No such file or directory
>

See bug 651990. https://bugs.gentoo.org/651990

Either upgrade to sysvinit-2.89-r1, or run the following command
before rebooting or changing runlevels.

ln -s /dev/initctl /run/initctl

Re: [gentoo-user] shutdown: /run/initctl: No such file or directory ???

[Tom H]

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 3:56 PM,   wrote:
>
> just a minute before I wanted to shutdown my Linux box...and...
> shutdown: /run/initctl: No such file or directory

Isn't "/run/initctl" a Debianism?!

Re: [gentoo-user] shutdown: /run/initctl: No such file or directory ???

[Tom H]

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 4:36 PM, Mike Gilbert  wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 3:56 PM,   wrote:
>>
>> just a minute before I wanted to shutdown my Linux box...and...
>> shutdown: /run/initctl: No such file or directory
>
> See bug 651990. https://bugs.gentoo.org/651990
>
> Either upgrade to sysvinit-2.89-r1, or run the following command
> before rebooting or changing runlevels.
>
> ln -s /dev/initctl /run/initctl

2.89?! A new version after so many years!

Looking at the upstream changelog:

Added Robert Millan's Debian patch to use /run/initctl as the named pipe
for communicating. This works around a limitation on the kFreeBSD branch
which prevents us from using /dev/initctl for pipes.

[gentoo-user] Firefox and addons no longer supported question

[Dale]

Howdy,

I been holding off on upgrading Firefox.  Basically, it breaks addons
that I just can't go without.  Tab groups and some other tab utilities
are among them.  I recently updated temporarily to see just what was
going to be broken and what I could do to adjust.  It seems some have
alternatives but some don't. 

For others who are in the same situation, what are you doing?  Are you
staying with a older version until things can be updated on the addon
end or are you upgrading Firefox and living with all the pieces that are
broken?  Another option, are you switching to some other browser?  If
so, which one??

If you are upgrading and finding solutions, have you found a replacement
for Tab Utilities, Tab Groups Manager and any others, since that may
help others on this list. 

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox and addons no longer supported question

[Adam Carter]

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Dale  wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> I been holding off on upgrading Firefox.  Basically, it breaks addons
> that I just can't go without.  Tab groups and some other tab utilities
> are among them.  I recently updated temporarily to see just what was
> going to be broken and what I could do to adjust.  It seems some have
> alternatives but some don't.
>

The firefox ebuilds are out of date at the moment (
https://bugs.gentoo.org/650472 ) so its probably not worth upgrading until
that issue is fixed, unless you use the mozilla overlay.

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox and addons no longer supported question

[Dale]

Adam Carter wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Dale  > wrote:
>
> Howdy,
>
> I been holding off on upgrading Firefox.  Basically, it breaks addons
> that I just can't go without.  Tab groups and some other tab utilities
> are among them.  I recently updated temporarily to see just what was
> going to be broken and what I could do to adjust.  It seems some have
> alternatives but some don't.
>
>
> The firefox ebuilds are out of date at the moment (
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/650472 ) so its probably not worth upgrading
> until that issue is fixed, unless you use the mozilla overlay.
>

My biggest problem is that addons are broken on anything 57 and above. 
At least that seems to be the version that stops old addons from
working.  Would the latest release have a way for the old addons to
work?  If not, then it doesn't matter if it is 58, 59 or 60. 

Basically, I'm trying to figure out if others are doing like I am and
keeping a older version of Firefox installed because of the addons no
longer working.  If someone has been able to find comparable addons to
the ones that no longer work on the newer Firefox versions, I'd like to
know that as well.  Right now, I'm sticking with older versions of
Firefox.  I don't like the security problems that may cause but it is
what it is. 

Since I posted the message above, I've looked into Palemoon, Vivaldi,
Opera and dug around to see what else I can try.  So far, none of them
can do what pre 57 versions of Firefox can with the addons I use. 

Just trying to get ideas and info on this mess. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox and addons no longer supported question

[tuxic]

On 03/30 09:23, Dale wrote:
> Adam Carter wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Dale  > > wrote:
> >
> > Howdy,
> >
> > I been holding off on upgrading Firefox.  Basically, it breaks addons
> > that I just can't go without.  Tab groups and some other tab utilities
> > are among them.  I recently updated temporarily to see just what was
> > going to be broken and what I could do to adjust.  It seems some have
> > alternatives but some don't.
> >
> >
> > The firefox ebuilds are out of date at the moment (
> > https://bugs.gentoo.org/650472 ) so its probably not worth upgrading
> > until that issue is fixed, unless you use the mozilla overlay.
> >
> 
> My biggest problem is that addons are broken on anything 57 and above. 
> At least that seems to be the version that stops old addons from
> working.  Would the latest release have a way for the old addons to
> work?  If not, then it doesn't matter if it is 58, 59 or 60. 
> 
> Basically, I'm trying to figure out if others are doing like I am and
> keeping a older version of Firefox installed because of the addons no
> longer working.  If someone has been able to find comparable addons to
> the ones that no longer work on the newer Firefox versions, I'd like to
> know that as well.  Right now, I'm sticking with older versions of
> Firefox.  I don't like the security problems that may cause but it is
> what it is. 
> 
> Since I posted the message above, I've looked into Palemoon, Vivaldi,
> Opera and dug around to see what else I can try.  So far, none of them
> can do what pre 57 versions of Firefox can with the addons I use. 
> 
> Just trying to get ideas and info on this mess. 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 

Hi,
 
 I switched to waterfox for privacy reasons and it supports the older
 plugin system.
 No need to stay to older version (keeping older bugs, which may
 affect seurity) ...

 Waterfox is opensourced and it has a smaller memory footprint.

 https://www.waterfoxproject.org/en-US/

 No advertising intended...I am only an user.

 Cheers!
 Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] shutdown: /run/initctl: No such file or directory ???

[tuxic]

On 03/30 06:02, Tom H wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 4:36 PM, Mike Gilbert  wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 3:56 PM,   wrote:
> >>
> >> just a minute before I wanted to shutdown my Linux box...and...
> >> shutdown: /run/initctl: No such file or directory
> >
> > See bug 651990. https://bugs.gentoo.org/651990
> >
> > Either upgrade to sysvinit-2.89-r1, or run the following command
> > before rebooting or changing runlevels.
> >
> > ln -s /dev/initctl /run/initctl
> 
> 2.89?! A new version after so many years!
> 
> Looking at the upstream changelog:
> 
> Added Robert Millan's Debian patch to use /run/initctl as the named pipe
> for communicating. This works around a limitation on the kFreeBSD branch
> which prevents us from using /dev/initctl for pipes.
> 


Hi,

thanks for all the help.

An update this morning has fixed the problem...but good to know
the backgrounds and workarounds, if anything like that happens
again... ;)

Cheers!
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox and addons no longer supported question

[Dale]

tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> On 03/30 09:23, Dale wrote:
>> Adam Carter wrote:
>>> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Dale >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> I been holding off on upgrading Firefox.  Basically, it breaks addons
>>> that I just can't go without.  Tab groups and some other tab utilities
>>> are among them.  I recently updated temporarily to see just what was
>>> going to be broken and what I could do to adjust.  It seems some have
>>> alternatives but some don't.
>>>
>>>
>>> The firefox ebuilds are out of date at the moment (
>>> https://bugs.gentoo.org/650472 ) so its probably not worth upgrading
>>> until that issue is fixed, unless you use the mozilla overlay.
>>>
>> My biggest problem is that addons are broken on anything 57 and above. 
>> At least that seems to be the version that stops old addons from
>> working.  Would the latest release have a way for the old addons to
>> work?  If not, then it doesn't matter if it is 58, 59 or 60. 
>>
>> Basically, I'm trying to figure out if others are doing like I am and
>> keeping a older version of Firefox installed because of the addons no
>> longer working.  If someone has been able to find comparable addons to
>> the ones that no longer work on the newer Firefox versions, I'd like to
>> know that as well.  Right now, I'm sticking with older versions of
>> Firefox.  I don't like the security problems that may cause but it is
>> what it is. 
>>
>> Since I posted the message above, I've looked into Palemoon, Vivaldi,
>> Opera and dug around to see what else I can try.  So far, none of them
>> can do what pre 57 versions of Firefox can with the addons I use. 
>>
>> Just trying to get ideas and info on this mess. 
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-) 
> Hi,
>  
>  I switched to waterfox for privacy reasons and it supports the older
>  plugin system.
>  No need to stay to older version (keeping older bugs, which may
>  affect seurity) ...
>
>  Waterfox is opensourced and it has a smaller memory footprint.
>
>  https://www.waterfoxproject.org/en-US/
>
>  No advertising intended...I am only an user.
>
>  Cheers!
>  Meino
>

I ran up on a site where that was talked about.  It's not in the tree
tho.  How did you install it?  Is it just download and run it from
command line or a manual addition to the menu system?  Is there a
overlay with it in it?  While I like Firefox, the memory hog that it
sometimes is, I'm not opposed to switching to something else. 

Thanks for the info. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox and addons no longer supported question

[tuxic]

On 03/30 09:45, Dale wrote:
> tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > On 03/30 09:23, Dale wrote:
> >> Adam Carter wrote:
> >>> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Dale  >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Howdy,
> >>>
> >>> I been holding off on upgrading Firefox.  Basically, it breaks addons
> >>> that I just can't go without.  Tab groups and some other tab utilities
> >>> are among them.  I recently updated temporarily to see just what was
> >>> going to be broken and what I could do to adjust.  It seems some have
> >>> alternatives but some don't.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The firefox ebuilds are out of date at the moment (
> >>> https://bugs.gentoo.org/650472 ) so its probably not worth upgrading
> >>> until that issue is fixed, unless you use the mozilla overlay.
> >>>
> >> My biggest problem is that addons are broken on anything 57 and above. 
> >> At least that seems to be the version that stops old addons from
> >> working.  Would the latest release have a way for the old addons to
> >> work?  If not, then it doesn't matter if it is 58, 59 or 60. 
> >>
> >> Basically, I'm trying to figure out if others are doing like I am and
> >> keeping a older version of Firefox installed because of the addons no
> >> longer working.  If someone has been able to find comparable addons to
> >> the ones that no longer work on the newer Firefox versions, I'd like to
> >> know that as well.  Right now, I'm sticking with older versions of
> >> Firefox.  I don't like the security problems that may cause but it is
> >> what it is. 
> >>
> >> Since I posted the message above, I've looked into Palemoon, Vivaldi,
> >> Opera and dug around to see what else I can try.  So far, none of them
> >> can do what pre 57 versions of Firefox can with the addons I use. 
> >>
> >> Just trying to get ideas and info on this mess. 
> >>
> >> Dale
> >>
> >> :-)  :-) 
> > Hi,
> >  
> >  I switched to waterfox for privacy reasons and it supports the older
> >  plugin system.
> >  No need to stay to older version (keeping older bugs, which may
> >  affect seurity) ...
> >
> >  Waterfox is opensourced and it has a smaller memory footprint.
> >
> >  https://www.waterfoxproject.org/en-US/
> >
> >  No advertising intended...I am only an user.
> >
> >  Cheers!
> >  Meino
> >
> 
> I ran up on a site where that was talked about.  It's not in the tree
> tho.  How did you install it?  Is it just download and run it from
> command line or a manual addition to the menu system?  Is there a
> overlay with it in it?  While I like Firefox, the memory hog that it
> sometimes is, I'm not opposed to switching to something else. 
> 
> Thanks for the info. 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
> 

Hi Dale,

I downloaded the archive, unpacked it in a separate directory, moved
that to /usr/local/., made a symlink from /usr/local/bin/waterfox to
the executable in that directory and: DONE :)

Ok...I did an entry inti menu.xml of my openbox...manually ;)

Since waterfox is contained in a single directory, gentoo will not be
"polluted" and the removal/upgrade of waterfox is easy.

It is not the original genuine sacred of Gentoo, though. ;)

Cheers!
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox and addons no longer supported question

[Dale]

tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> On 03/30 09:45, Dale wrote:
>> tu...@posteo.de wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>>  I switched to waterfox for privacy reasons and it supports the older
>>>  plugin system.
>>>  No need to stay to older version (keeping older bugs, which may
>>>  affect seurity) ...
>>>
>>>  Waterfox is opensourced and it has a smaller memory footprint.
>>>
>>>  https://www.waterfoxproject.org/en-US/
>>>
>>>  No advertising intended...I am only an user.
>>>
>>>  Cheers!
>>>  Meino
>>>
>> I ran up on a site where that was talked about.  It's not in the tree
>> tho.  How did you install it?  Is it just download and run it from
>> command line or a manual addition to the menu system?  Is there a
>> overlay with it in it?  While I like Firefox, the memory hog that it
>> sometimes is, I'm not opposed to switching to something else. 
>>
>> Thanks for the info. 
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-) 
>>
> Hi Dale,
>
> I downloaded the archive, unpacked it in a separate directory, moved
> that to /usr/local/., made a symlink from /usr/local/bin/waterfox to
> the executable in that directory and: DONE :)
>
> Ok...I did an entry inti menu.xml of my openbox...manually ;)
>
> Since waterfox is contained in a single directory, gentoo will not be
> "polluted" and the removal/upgrade of waterfox is easy.
>
> It is not the original genuine sacred of Gentoo, though. ;)
>
> Cheers!
> Meino
>

Cool.  I was peeking into overlays and was having no luck at all.  I
thought I found it twice but it seems they were removed or something. 
There was other stuff in the overlays but not Waterfox. 

I'll go download it and give it a whirl.  Heck, if it isn't so much of a
memory hog, that will be a bonus.  LOL 

Thanks much. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

P. S. May reply again if it works really well, for the benefit of others
who may want to give it a try.  ;-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox and addons no longer supported question

[tuxic]

On 03/31 05:05, tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> On 03/30 09:45, Dale wrote:
> > tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > > On 03/30 09:23, Dale wrote:
> > >> Adam Carter wrote:
> > >>> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Dale  > >>> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Howdy,
> > >>>
> > >>> I been holding off on upgrading Firefox.  Basically, it breaks 
> > >>> addons
> > >>> that I just can't go without.  Tab groups and some other tab 
> > >>> utilities
> > >>> are among them.  I recently updated temporarily to see just what was
> > >>> going to be broken and what I could do to adjust.  It seems some 
> > >>> have
> > >>> alternatives but some don't.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> The firefox ebuilds are out of date at the moment (
> > >>> https://bugs.gentoo.org/650472 ) so its probably not worth upgrading
> > >>> until that issue is fixed, unless you use the mozilla overlay.
> > >>>
> > >> My biggest problem is that addons are broken on anything 57 and above. 
> > >> At least that seems to be the version that stops old addons from
> > >> working.  Would the latest release have a way for the old addons to
> > >> work?  If not, then it doesn't matter if it is 58, 59 or 60. 
> > >>
> > >> Basically, I'm trying to figure out if others are doing like I am and
> > >> keeping a older version of Firefox installed because of the addons no
> > >> longer working.  If someone has been able to find comparable addons to
> > >> the ones that no longer work on the newer Firefox versions, I'd like to
> > >> know that as well.  Right now, I'm sticking with older versions of
> > >> Firefox.  I don't like the security problems that may cause but it is
> > >> what it is. 
> > >>
> > >> Since I posted the message above, I've looked into Palemoon, Vivaldi,
> > >> Opera and dug around to see what else I can try.  So far, none of them
> > >> can do what pre 57 versions of Firefox can with the addons I use. 
> > >>
> > >> Just trying to get ideas and info on this mess. 
> > >>
> > >> Dale
> > >>
> > >> :-)  :-) 
> > > Hi,
> > >  
> > >  I switched to waterfox for privacy reasons and it supports the older
> > >  plugin system.
> > >  No need to stay to older version (keeping older bugs, which may
> > >  affect seurity) ...
> > >
> > >  Waterfox is opensourced and it has a smaller memory footprint.
> > >
> > >  https://www.waterfoxproject.org/en-US/
> > >
> > >  No advertising intended...I am only an user.
> > >
> > >  Cheers!
> > >  Meino
> > >
> > 
> > I ran up on a site where that was talked about.  It's not in the tree
> > tho.  How did you install it?  Is it just download and run it from
> > command line or a manual addition to the menu system?  Is there a
> > overlay with it in it?  While I like Firefox, the memory hog that it
> > sometimes is, I'm not opposed to switching to something else. 
> > 
> > Thanks for the info. 
> > 
> > Dale
> > 
> > :-)  :-) 
> > 
> 
> Hi Dale,
> 
> I downloaded the archive, unpacked it in a separate directory, moved
> that to /usr/local/., made a symlink from /usr/local/bin/waterfox to
> the executable in that directory and: DONE :)
> 
> Ok...I did an entry inti menu.xml of my openbox...manually ;)
> 
> Since waterfox is contained in a single directory, gentoo will not be
> "polluted" and the removal/upgrade of waterfox is easy.
> 
> It is not the original genuine sacred of Gentoo, though. ;)
> 
> Cheers!
> Meino
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

(here is version of my post with less typos ;) )

Hi Dale,

I downloaded the archive, unpacked it in a separate directory, moved
that to /usr/local/., made a symlink for /usr/local/bin/waterfox of
the executable in that directory and: DONE :)

Ok...I did an entry into menu.xml of my openbox...manually ;)

Since waterfox is contained in a single directory, gentoo will not be
"polluted" and the removal/upgrade of waterfox is easy.

It is not the original genuine sacred way of Gentoo, though. ;)

Cheers!
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox and addons no longer supported question

[tuxic]

On 03/30 10:36, Dale wrote:
> tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> > On 03/30 09:45, Dale wrote:
> >> tu...@posteo.de wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>  
> >>>  I switched to waterfox for privacy reasons and it supports the older
> >>>  plugin system.
> >>>  No need to stay to older version (keeping older bugs, which may
> >>>  affect seurity) ...
> >>>
> >>>  Waterfox is opensourced and it has a smaller memory footprint.
> >>>
> >>>  https://www.waterfoxproject.org/en-US/
> >>>
> >>>  No advertising intended...I am only an user.
> >>>
> >>>  Cheers!
> >>>  Meino
> >>>
> >> I ran up on a site where that was talked about.  It's not in the tree
> >> tho.  How did you install it?  Is it just download and run it from
> >> command line or a manual addition to the menu system?  Is there a
> >> overlay with it in it?  While I like Firefox, the memory hog that it
> >> sometimes is, I'm not opposed to switching to something else. 
> >>
> >> Thanks for the info. 
> >>
> >> Dale
> >>
> >> :-)  :-) 
> >>
> > Hi Dale,
> >
> > I downloaded the archive, unpacked it in a separate directory, moved
> > that to /usr/local/., made a symlink from /usr/local/bin/waterfox to
> > the executable in that directory and: DONE :)
> >
> > Ok...I did an entry inti menu.xml of my openbox...manually ;)
> >
> > Since waterfox is contained in a single directory, gentoo will not be
> > "polluted" and the removal/upgrade of waterfox is easy.
> >
> > It is not the original genuine sacred of Gentoo, though. ;)
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Meino
> >
> 
> Cool.  I was peeking into overlays and was having no luck at all.  I
> thought I found it twice but it seems they were removed or something. 
> There was other stuff in the overlays but not Waterfox. 
> 
> I'll go download it and give it a whirl.  Heck, if it isn't so much of a
> memory hog, that will be a bonus.  LOL 
> 
> Thanks much. 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
> 
> P. S. May reply again if it works really well, for the benefit of others
> who may want to give it a try.  ;-) 
> 

Hi Dale,


to wetten your appetite...;)
Here is an exerpt of the wikepedia page for waterfox:

Waterfox differs from Firefox in a number of ways by:
Disabling Encrypted Media Extensions (EME)
Disabling Web Runtime
Removing Adobe DRM
Removing Pocket
Removing Telemetry
Removing data collection
Removing startup profiling
Allowing running of all 64-bit NPAPI plugins
Allowing running of unsigned extensions
Removing of Sponsored Tiles on New Tab Page
Addition of Duplicate Tab option
Addition of locale selector in about:preferences > General
Defaulting to Ecosia as the search engine instead of Google or Yahoo![7]
Cookie prompt from version 56.0 (beta)[8]

(see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfox)

Cheers
Meino