[gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?

2013-01-03 Thread Peter Humphrey
Hello list,

When kmail was upgraded to 4.9.3 last month it made a complete hash of my e-
mail system. In the end I moved my user out of the way and created a new user. 
Importing the e-mails from a backup of the old version omitted large numbers 
of e-mails, including a lot of complete folders. I also noticed that kmail had 
not created a trash folder.

So I did it again: created another new user. This time I got more messages 
imported but still not the whole lot (about 25,000). Still no trash. So I 
imported specific folders to complete the import. I tried creating a Wastebin 
folder manually (that's what the trash can is called in the UK) but of course 
that had no effect.

Now I find that several filters work sometimes but not others, thus dropping 
e.g. this list partly into its own folder and partly into the general inbox. 
If I move the offending messages myself, next time I look they've been moved 
back again.

If I delete a message, there being no trash folder, it's re-presented as a new 
message together with the original, and if I delete those I get four. Now in 
one folder I have 120 "new" messages.

Is there a sane way out of this? I don't know if I can face creating yet 
another new user with all the drudgery that entails.

-- 
Peter




Re: [gentoo-user] E17 lock screen

2013-01-03 Thread Kevin Brandstatter
The problem is the option to lock screen on suspend is greyed out and
uncheckable.
Did try building with all modules

-Kevin

On 12/28/2012 04:16 AM, Robert David wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>
> what exactly you missing on screen lock in E17? I use E17 and screen
> lock is ok when suspending. It does not need some xscreenlock stuff, it
> is just part of e. Just check settings->sceen->screen_lock and checkin
> lock_on_suspend. Thats all:)
>
> If you missing something, just make sure you build with all the modules
> flags.
>
> x11-wm/enlightenment-0.17.0 was built with the following:
> USE="nls pam spell udev ukit -doc -emotion -static-libs"
> ENLIGHTENMENT_MODULES="access backlight battery clock comp
> conf-applications conf-dialogs conf-display conf-edgebindings
> conf-interaction conf-intl conf-keybindings conf-menus conf-paths
> conf-performance conf-randr conf-shelves conf-theme
> conf-window-manipulation conf-window-remembers connman cpufreq
> dropshadow everything fileman fileman-opinfo gadman ibar ibox illume2
> mixer msgbus notification pager quickaccess shot start syscon systray
> tasks temperature tiling winlist wizard xkbswitch"
>
>
> Robert.
>
>
> On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:51:26 -0600
> Kevin Brandstatter  wrote:
>
>> On 12/27/2012 05:16 PM, Mick wrote:
>>> On Saturday 22 Dec 2012 01:29:57 Kevin Brandstatter wrote:
 So e17 just came out and ive been using for a bit. The only problem
 ive had with it is that i cant check the option to lock the screen
 on suspend. I don't think this is a problem on some of the other
 distributions so thought it could be a policy problem on gentoo.

 Curious if anyone else uses e17/has this problem and maybe a fix.
 or just for suggestions of where to look
>>> I can't select it here either, but I suspect that this may be
>>> because I do not use xscreenlock or equivalent.
>>>
>>> Have you tried posting either at the e17 or the
>>> enlightenm...@gentoo.org mailing lists?
>> yes I first posted to the e17-users list. It was working for other
>> people so i thought it might be distro specific, I emerged
>> xscreensaver to see if that would fix it at all but no luck. I had
>> this problem a while ago and i think it had something to do with
>> polkit settings
>>
>> -Kevin
>>
>




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Re: [gentoo-user] E17 lock screen

2013-01-03 Thread Robert David
Did you try e with new config with e-17 release? Or you had some
previous configs and was replaced with release. Because there was some
config upgrade and old configs did not work and some was not replaced
correctly (mixer gadget).

And suspendig with E works ok? You use pm-suspend? Dont you have some
dbus problems? As the events are send through dbus I think, for me it
works even with running pm-suspend from console (E locks screen).

Robert.


On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 03:51:34 -0600
Kevin Brandstatter  wrote:

> The problem is the option to lock screen on suspend is greyed out and
> uncheckable.
> Did try building with all modules
> 
> -Kevin
> 
> On 12/28/2012 04:16 AM, Robert David wrote:
> > Hi Kevin,
> >
> > what exactly you missing on screen lock in E17? I use E17 and screen
> > lock is ok when suspending. It does not need some xscreenlock
> > stuff, it is just part of e. Just check
> > settings->sceen->screen_lock and checkin lock_on_suspend. Thats
> > all:)
> >
> > If you missing something, just make sure you build with all the
> > modules flags.
> >
> > x11-wm/enlightenment-0.17.0 was built with the following:
> > USE="nls pam spell udev ukit -doc -emotion -static-libs"
> > ENLIGHTENMENT_MODULES="access backlight battery clock comp
> > conf-applications conf-dialogs conf-display conf-edgebindings
> > conf-interaction conf-intl conf-keybindings conf-menus conf-paths
> > conf-performance conf-randr conf-shelves conf-theme
> > conf-window-manipulation conf-window-remembers connman cpufreq
> > dropshadow everything fileman fileman-opinfo gadman ibar ibox
> > illume2 mixer msgbus notification pager quickaccess shot start
> > syscon systray tasks temperature tiling winlist wizard xkbswitch"
> >
> >
> > Robert.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:51:26 -0600
> > Kevin Brandstatter  wrote:
> >
> >> On 12/27/2012 05:16 PM, Mick wrote:
> >>> On Saturday 22 Dec 2012 01:29:57 Kevin Brandstatter wrote:
>  So e17 just came out and ive been using for a bit. The only
>  problem ive had with it is that i cant check the option to lock
>  the screen on suspend. I don't think this is a problem on some
>  of the other distributions so thought it could be a policy
>  problem on gentoo.
> 
>  Curious if anyone else uses e17/has this problem and maybe a fix.
>  or just for suggestions of where to look
> >>> I can't select it here either, but I suspect that this may be
> >>> because I do not use xscreenlock or equivalent.
> >>>
> >>> Have you tried posting either at the e17 or the
> >>> enlightenm...@gentoo.org mailing lists?
> >> yes I first posted to the e17-users list. It was working for other
> >> people so i thought it might be distro specific, I emerged
> >> xscreensaver to see if that would fix it at all but no luck. I had
> >> this problem a while ago and i think it had something to do with
> >> polkit settings
> >>
> >> -Kevin
> >>
> >
> 
> 




Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?

2013-01-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:43 +
Peter Humphrey  wrote:

> Hello list,
> 
> When kmail was upgraded to 4.9.3 last month it made a complete hash
> of my e- mail system. In the end I moved my user out of the way and
> created a new user. Importing the e-mails from a backup of the old
> version omitted large numbers of e-mails, including a lot of complete
> folders. I also noticed that kmail had not created a trash folder.

So the kdepim devs STILL haven't fixed that one? Oh dear.

tldr; longish post. Short version: Use something else. It's mail, not
software magic.

I ran into something much the same long ago with kamil2
around the 4.3 or 4.5 era. Imports wouldn't work, akonadi was displaying
essentially random mails in random folders in no special order, and I
was losing mail.

Eventually, after much physical and spiritual pain, I figured that what
was really happening was probably akonadi importing the mail to
$SOMEWHERE and $AT_SOME_RANDOM_TIME would index it properly; it would
do this on the basis off $WHEN_IT_FELT_RIGHT_TO_DO_IT.

This trick works awesomely well for caching thumbnails of my video
collection for xbmc. It works less well for my mail. It's disastrous
when the whole process is not documented, when the user has no
visibility into it and no defined way of seeing what's going on, not
even a progress meter. The traditional way of handling such
asynchronous indexing problems is to provide an option where the user
can force a re-index and the system will just chug along doing it
displaying progress. If the mail app suspends itself while doing this,
well that's fine, at least it ends in a reasonable time. But, kdepim at
that stage had no such option.

One other thing I discovered back then: if I killed akonadi & kdepim
and rebooted out of sheer frustration, it would *throw* *away* all it's
temporary files form $SOMEWHERE as above and corrupt it's own database.
Leading to lost mail. If you just leave the damn thing alone for ages
and ages it eventually sorts itself out, but you can't see how far
along it is.

Such shoddy alpha-quality software shipped and billed as enterprise
production-ready was more than I could bear, so I just switched mail
client to claws-mail.

On 4.9.3 you are still experiencing something similar. Hmmm. Indicates
to me a high probability of a systemic problem with the projects
approach, something that is unlikely to ever get really fixed. In my
opinion kdepim2 is vastly over-engineered and an attempt to solve a
problem that does not actually exist. I recommend you use a different
mail app.

As I mentioned in the tldr, it's a mail app. There are many mail apps
and none are super-special. 




> 
> So I did it again: created another new user. This time I got more
> messages imported but still not the whole lot (about 25,000). Still
> no trash. So I imported specific folders to complete the import. I
> tried creating a Wastebin folder manually (that's what the trash can
> is called in the UK) but of course that had no effect.
> 
> Now I find that several filters work sometimes but not others, thus
> dropping e.g. this list partly into its own folder and partly into
> the general inbox. If I move the offending messages myself, next time
> I look they've been moved back again.
> 
> If I delete a message, there being no trash folder, it's re-presented
> as a new message together with the original, and if I delete those I
> get four. Now in one folder I have 120 "new" messages.
> 
> Is there a sane way out of this? I don't know if I can face creating
> yet another new user with all the drudgery that entails.
> 



-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] Old ATI Radeon RV350 driver broken after system update

2013-01-03 Thread Peter Weilbacher

On 2012-12-04 19:52, Peter Weilbacher wrote:

Right, I did that now, and have the framebuffer splash back. X also 
starts
but the whole system locks hard once gdm tries to paint the login 
area.
Unfortunately, after rebooting the log doesn't give me any useful 
output.
I have to fiddle around with the setup a bit to see what's wrong, 
maybe

something's still missing.


I didn't find out anything after that, although I rebooted quite a few 
times.


But I'm happy to see that today's update of x11-base/xorg-server-1.13.1 
(from

1.13.0-r1) fixed my crashes. Now I'm a happy X user again. :-)

   Peter.



Re: [gentoo-user] IPtables - Mangle table - when/why do I need it (or do I need it)?

2013-01-03 Thread Tanstaafl

On 2013-01-02 7:14 PM, Mick  wrote:

On Wednesday 02 Jan 2013 19:47:11 Tanstaafl wrote:

Oh, ok - so, if I don't have any rules that use the 'mangle' command,
then I can safely remove mangle support from my kernel and lose the
mangle table altogether?



Yes, I would think so.  You can build it as a module anyway and un/not load it
to see if iptables starts up without errors.


This is a server, so no modules support at all...

But no worries, I always keep my previous kernel when upgrading, so if 
something doesn't work right, I just reboot back to the previous one... 
it has saved me more than a few times...


Thanks again



[gentoo-user] Issues emerging Calligra

2013-01-03 Thread Rafa Griman
Hi all :)

First off: Happy New Year ;)

I'm trying to emerge Calligra but I get stuck on the following error
when glew gets emerged:

>>> Emerging (1 of 9) media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1
 * glew-1.6.0.tgz SHA256 size ;-) ...
  [ ok ]
>>> Unpacking source...
>>> Unpacking glew-1.6.0.tgz to /var/tmp/portage/media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1/work
>>> Source unpacked in /var/tmp/portage/media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1/work
>>> Preparing source in 
>>> /var/tmp/portage/media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1/work/glew-1.6.0 ...
>>> Source prepared.
>>> Configuring source in 
>>> /var/tmp/portage/media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1/work/glew-1.6.0 ...
>>> Source configured.
>>> Compiling source in 
>>> /var/tmp/portage/media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1/work/glew-1.6.0 ...
make AR=i686-pc-linux-gnu-ar STRIP=true CC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
'LD=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed' M_ARCH=
LDFLAGS.EXTRA= '
POPT=-O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -march=pentium-m -mmmx -msse
-msse2 -mfpmath=sse'
i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -DGLEW_NO_GLU -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer
-march=pentium-m -mmmx -msse -msse2 -mfpmath=sse -Wall -W -Iinclude
-fPI
C  -o src/glew.pic_o -c src/glew.c
i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed -shared
-Wl,-soname=libGLEW.so.1.6 -o lib/libGLEW.so.1.6.0 src/glew.pic_o
-lXmu -lXi -lGLU -l
GL -lXext -lX11
/usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.4/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld:
cannot find -lGLU
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [lib/libGLEW.so.1.6.0] Error 1
 * ERROR: media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1 failed (compile phase):
 *   emake failed
 *
 * If you need support, post the output of `emerge --info
'=media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1'`,
 * the complete build log and the output of `emerge -pqv
'=media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1'`.
 * The complete build log is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1/temp/build.log'.
 * The ebuild environment file is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1/temp/environment'.
 * Working directory:
'/var/tmp/portage/media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1/work/glew-1.6.0'
 * S: '/var/tmp/portage/media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1/work/glew-1.6.0'

I checked the forums and found this.

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-921896-start-0.html

But, AFAIK, this solution is for x86_64 and my system is a pure 32 bit
environment (Pentium M processor).

Any ideas?

TIA

   Rafa



Re: [gentoo-user] Old ATI Radeon RV350 driver broken after system update

2013-01-03 Thread Bruce Hill
On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 11:59:55AM +0100, Peter Weilbacher wrote:
> 
> But I'm happy to see that today's update of x11-base/xorg-server-1.13.1 
> (from
> 1.13.0-r1) fixed my crashes. Now I'm a happy X user again. :-)

xorg-server-1.13.1 (25 Dec 2012)

Your mirror must be *really* lagging.  :(
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Re: [gentoo-user] Breakage from recent updates to gnome-3.6 on ~amd64

2013-01-03 Thread Michael Hampicke
On 03.01.2013 02:11, walt wrote:
> I use mostly the cinnamon fork of gnome-shell but I also give gnome-shell
> a try occasionally just to annoy myself :)
> 
> The gnome updates from Jan 1-2 caused me a bit of trouble, but I'm making
> progress that might help some of you:
> 
> First, the addition of gstreamer-1.0 is now installed along side the
> old gstreamer-0.10, which apparently has broken rhythmbox.  At first I
> thought that sound support was broken completely but after a few hours
> of frustration I found the breakage is confined to rhythmbox and a bug
> report is already filed.

For gstreamer-1.0: make sure that all your installed
media-plugins/gst-plugins-* packages for slot 0.10 are also installed in
slot 1.0
You may have to install them manually.



[gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Mark Knecht
I find this very strange, or am I just blind?

- Mark



Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Mark Knecht  wrote:
> I find this very strange, or am I just blind?

Mailing list archives have been screwed up for almost a year...

--
:wq



Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Michael Mol  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Mark Knecht  wrote:
>> I find this very strange, or am I just blind?
>
> Mailing list archives have been screwed up for almost a year...

OK, apparently only six months. Since June.

--
:wq



Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Michael Mol  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Michael Mol  wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Mark Knecht  wrote:
>>> I find this very strange, or am I just blind?
>>
>> Mailing list archives have been screwed up for almost a year...
>
> OK, apparently only six months. Since June.
>
> --
> :wq
>

OK, so that addresses that issue.

Also, are _very_ old archives available anywhere anymore? I started
using Gentoo way in the dark ages... late 2002, early 2003 maybe? I
certainly remember the 2004.0 release - still have a CD I think. I was
looking around for a source of some very old emails of mine to the
list. Are they all just gone at this point?



Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Mark Knecht  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Michael Mol  wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Michael Mol  wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Mark Knecht  wrote:
 I find this very strange, or am I just blind?
>>>
>>> Mailing list archives have been screwed up for almost a year...
>>
>> OK, apparently only six months. Since June.
>>
>> --
>> :wq
>>
>
> OK, so that addresses that issue.
>
> Also, are _very_ old archives available anywhere anymore? I started
> using Gentoo way in the dark ages... late 2002, early 2003 maybe? I
> certainly remember the 2004.0 release - still have a CD I think. I was
> looking around for a source of some very old emails of mine to the
> list. Are they all just gone at this point?
>

Gmane has it going back as far as this message:

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/1

--
:wq



[gentoo-user] Re: http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Hartmut Figge
Mark Knecht:

[gentoo-user]
>Also, are _very_ old archives available anywhere anymore?

http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user

If you use the second entry 'On the web, using a blog-like, flat
interface' and scroll down, you can see the archive on the left.

Hartmut
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Von Usern fuer User  :-)




Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Michael Mol  wrote:
> Gmane has it going back as far as this message:
>
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/1
>

Thanks. I never think to use Gmane.

Cheers,
Mark



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Hartmut Figge  wrote:
> Mark Knecht:
>
> [gentoo-user]
>>Also, are _very_ old archives available anywhere anymore?
>
> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user
>
> If you use the second entry 'On the web, using a blog-like, flat
> interface' and scroll down, you can see the archive on the left.

Doesn't go back as far. I checked.

--
:wq



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Hartmut Figge  wrote:
> Mark Knecht:
>
> [gentoo-user]
>>Also, are _very_ old archives available anywhere anymore?
>
> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user
>
> If you use the second entry 'On the web, using a blog-like, flat
> interface' and scroll down, you can see the archive on the left.
>
> Hartmut

Perfect! Thanks! that took me back to May, 2003 which would seem to be
roughly the time I started with Gentoo.

Cheers,
Mark



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Mark Knecht  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Hartmut Figge  wrote:
>> Mark Knecht:
>>
>> [gentoo-user]
>>>Also, are _very_ old archives available anywhere anymore?
>>
>> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user
>>
>> If you use the second entry 'On the web, using a blog-like, flat
>> interface' and scroll down, you can see the archive on the left.
>>
>> Hartmut
>
> Perfect! Thanks! that took me back to May, 2003 which would seem to be
> roughly the time I started with Gentoo.

Apparently, I didn't scroll down far enough to see the by-year links
in blog view. I was looking at the page counts.

Curiously, the blog view works *further* back than the frame/thread
view; there's several hundred "pages" in the frame/thread view that
don't work.

--
:wq



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Mark Knecht
Totally cool though. I don't think I found my earliest posts, but they
were certainly in the learning stages where I clearly didn't know the
difference between emerge -e and emerge -u. I got some pointy fingers
poked in my side by spider for that. :-)

At least this will allow me to figure out the names of a couple of
folks I was thinking about this last weekend.

Cheers,
Mark

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Michael Mol  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Mark Knecht  wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Hartmut Figge  wrote:
>>> Mark Knecht:
>>>
>>> [gentoo-user]
Also, are _very_ old archives available anywhere anymore?
>>>
>>> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user
>>>
>>> If you use the second entry 'On the web, using a blog-like, flat
>>> interface' and scroll down, you can see the archive on the left.
>>>
>>> Hartmut
>>
>> Perfect! Thanks! that took me back to May, 2003 which would seem to be
>> roughly the time I started with Gentoo.
>
> Apparently, I didn't scroll down far enough to see the by-year links
> in blog view. I was looking at the page counts.
>
> Curiously, the blog view works *further* back than the frame/thread
> view; there's several hundred "pages" in the frame/thread view that
> don't work.
>
> --
> :wq
>



Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/03/2013 09:14 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Mark Knecht  wrote:
>> I find this very strange, or am I just blind?
> 
> Mailing list archives have been screwed up for almost a year...
> 

I looked for a bug but don't see one. Does infra know about it?




Re: [gentoo-user] Issues emerging Calligra

2013-01-03 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/03/2013 06:33 AM, Rafa Griman wrote:
> Hi all :)
> 
> First off: Happy New Year ;)
> 
> I'm trying to emerge Calligra but I get stuck on the following error
> when glew gets emerged:
> 

Make sure your 'eselect opengl' looks like it should, and then if that
doesn't help, file a bug. The "cannot find -lGLU" usually indicates a
missing dependency, but everything in the ebuilds looks OK to me at
first glance.

You've got media-libs/glu installed?



Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?

2013-01-03 Thread Mick
On Thursday 03 Jan 2013 10:33:52 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:43 +
> 
> Peter Humphrey  wrote:
> > Hello list,
> > 
> > When kmail was upgraded to 4.9.3 last month it made a complete hash
> > of my e- mail system. In the end I moved my user out of the way and
> > created a new user. Importing the e-mails from a backup of the old
> > version omitted large numbers of e-mails, including a lot of complete
> > folders. I also noticed that kmail had not created a trash folder.
> 
> So the kdepim devs STILL haven't fixed that one? Oh dear.
> 
> tldr; longish post. Short version: Use something else. It's mail, not
> software magic.
> 
> I ran into something much the same long ago with kamil2
> around the 4.3 or 4.5 era. Imports wouldn't work, akonadi was displaying
> essentially random mails in random folders in no special order, and I
> was losing mail.
> 
> Eventually, after much physical and spiritual pain, I figured that what
> was really happening was probably akonadi importing the mail to
> $SOMEWHERE and $AT_SOME_RANDOM_TIME would index it properly; it would
> do this on the basis off $WHEN_IT_FELT_RIGHT_TO_DO_IT.
> 
> This trick works awesomely well for caching thumbnails of my video
> collection for xbmc. It works less well for my mail. It's disastrous
> when the whole process is not documented, when the user has no
> visibility into it and no defined way of seeing what's going on, not
> even a progress meter. The traditional way of handling such
> asynchronous indexing problems is to provide an option where the user
> can force a re-index and the system will just chug along doing it
> displaying progress. If the mail app suspends itself while doing this,
> well that's fine, at least it ends in a reasonable time. But, kdepim at
> that stage had no such option.
> 
> One other thing I discovered back then: if I killed akonadi & kdepim
> and rebooted out of sheer frustration, it would *throw* *away* all it's
> temporary files form $SOMEWHERE as above and corrupt it's own database.
> Leading to lost mail. If you just leave the damn thing alone for ages
> and ages it eventually sorts itself out, but you can't see how far
> along it is.
> 
> Such shoddy alpha-quality software shipped and billed as enterprise
> production-ready was more than I could bear, so I just switched mail
> client to claws-mail.
> 
> On 4.9.3 you are still experiencing something similar. Hmmm. Indicates
> to me a high probability of a systemic problem with the projects
> approach, something that is unlikely to ever get really fixed. In my
> opinion kdepim2 is vastly over-engineered and an attempt to solve a
> problem that does not actually exist. I recommend you use a different
> mail app.
> 
> As I mentioned in the tldr, it's a mail app. There are many mail apps
> and none are super-special.

Thankfully, I'm still on kmail-1.13.7 and I am dreading the time that it will 
no longer be available.  I've used kmail for so many years now that everything 
else I tried has been a great disappointment for me.

Last time I tried to upgrade to kmail 2 some time early last year (for the 4th 
time) it made exactly the mess experienced by others, like:

- duplicate/multiple messages when I tried to delete them
- missing/disappearing messages
- inability to show anything other than the Inbox folder on IMAP4 accounts

I could swear that I waited for it to sync/resync, but I didn't leave the box 
running overnight to see if that would fix this problem.

In all but one box I am not running a full KDE enchilada, so I don't know if 
this has something to do with it.  I just hope that new devs will eventually 
take over this KDEPIM farce and something sane will surface for those of us 
who still want/need to use a mail client.

-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Michael Orlitzky  wrote:
> On 01/03/2013 09:14 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Mark Knecht  wrote:
>>> I find this very strange, or am I just blind?
>>
>> Mailing list archives have been screwed up for almost a year...
>>
>
> I looked for a bug but don't see one. Does infra know about it?

Yeah, me and Volker both filed bugs last year. They kept getting
marked as dupes and folded into some general backend madness.

--
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Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?

2013-01-03 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Donnerstag, 3. Januar 2013, 06:08:34 schrieb Mark Knecht:
> I find this very strange, or am I just blind?
> 
> - Mark

marc.info goes back to 2001


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Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?

2013-01-03 Thread Peter Humphrey

On 3/1/2013, "Alan McKinnon"  wrote:
>On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:43 +
>Peter Humphrey  wrote:
>> When kmail was upgraded to 4.9.3 last month it made a complete hash
>> of my e- mail system. In the end I moved my user out of the way and
>> created a new user. Importing the e-mails from a backup of the old
>> version omitted large numbers of e-mails, including a lot of complete
>> folders. I also noticed that kmail had not created a trash folder.
>
>So the kdepim devs STILL haven't fixed that one? Oh dear.

--->8

Thanks for your thoughts Alan. I didn't like Claws much last time I
tried it, but then that was some time ago.

Does anyone recommend a mail client that doesn't rely too heavily on the
mouse? I much prefer to navigate, reply etc with the keyboard. I've
seen Evolution recommended; is that OK?

Meanwhile I'm having to use my ISP;s webmail service.



Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?

2013-01-03 Thread Peter Humphrey

On 3/1/2013, "Alan McKinnon"  wrote:
>On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:43 +
>Peter Humphrey  wrote:
>> When kmail was upgraded to 4.9.3 last month it made a complete hash
>> of my e- mail system. In the end I moved my user out of the way and
>> created a new user. Importing the e-mails from a backup of the old
>> version omitted large numbers of e-mails, including a lot of complete
>> folders. I also noticed that kmail had not created a trash folder.
>
>So the kdepim devs STILL haven't fixed that one? Oh dear.

--->8

Thanks for your thoughts Alan. I didn't like Claws much last time I
tried it, but then that was some time ago.

Does anyone recommend a mail client that doesn't rely too heavily on the
mouse? I much prefer to navigate, reply etc with the keyboard. I've
seen Evolution recommended; is that OK?

Meanwhile I'm having to use my ISP;s webmail service.



Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?

2013-01-03 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
first of all:

filtering is completely and utterly broken. You have to delete all filters 
whenever you add a new 'ressource' and even then they don't work most of the 
time. They might work if you select all mails and click 'apply filters' - or 
not. Bugs on b.k.o are open.

Second, to import your old mails you have to add the right 'ressources'. And 
then pray.

Oh and never delete any akonadi databases - I did it because someone wrote it 
would solve some problems - and lost 150 000 emails. So much joy.

And now a little rant:

I do not know who shat into the brains of the kdepim devs that they fucked up 
kmail in this unbelievable broken way. Most people do not need akonadi - or 
nepomuk. Everything worked GREAT. Now most shit only works half way, a lot of 
crap doesn't work at all - and once in a while (in my experience every 4h of 
runtime) Nepomuk, that utter waste of electrons starts to eat cpu-cores. But 
you need it! Because without it you can't search your emails!

GRR 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?

2013-01-03 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Donnerstag, 3. Januar 2013, 18:09:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey:

> Does anyone recommend a mail client that doesn't rely too heavily on the
> mouse? I much prefer to navigate, reply etc with the keyboard. I've
> seen Evolution recommended; is that OK?

it is like replacing cholera with ebola.

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#163933



Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?

2013-01-03 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:09:27 +0100
"Peter Humphrey"  wrote:

> Thanks for your thoughts Alan. I didn't like Claws much last time I
> tried it, but then that was some time ago.
> 
> Does anyone recommend a mail client that doesn't rely too heavily on
> the mouse? I much prefer to navigate, reply etc with the keyboard.
> I've seen Evolution recommended; is that OK?
> 
> Meanwhile I'm having to use my ISP;s webmail service.

I love claws but perhaps you should ask on the claws mailing list I
thought it was too mouse heavy too but when I actually look it's very
few tabs, arrows, enter and ctrl-R to reply etc. and the
configurability of claws may help too, though I can't see if you can
assign shortcuts to custom commands/actions.

The manual says this but I can't find out how to change those shortcuts
'on the fly' myself after a quick try. I shall certainly be using the
mouse less now anyway ;-)

_

B. Default keyboard shortcuts
B.1. Motivations and general conventions

Although Claws Mail is a graphical application and can mainly be
commanded with your mouse, it also requires the frequent use of the
keyboard. Composing a mail is the most common of the tasks that require
the use of the keyboard. For people who write a lot of mails, having to
move hands from keyboard to mouse greatly reduces productivity, so
Claws Mail provides keyboard shortcuts to allow faster operation.

This not only benefits power users by providing keyboard alternatives
and keyboard navigation, it also enables people with disabilities, (who
may not be able to properly control a pointing device), to use Claws
Mail.

The most general convention is the Escape key. Focused dialogues or
windows can be closed by hitting the Esc key.

There are other key combinations which are assigned by default to menu
items. We won't list these here, as they are already shown on the
righthand side of the menus themselves, so you can easily learn them
with usage. Furthermore, if you don't like them, these shortcuts can be
changed on the fly by focusing on the menu item and pressing the
desired key combination.

In addition to these shortcuts there are others which vary from window
to window, which are summarised in the following sections. 
_



Re: [gentoo-user] E17 lock screen

2013-01-03 Thread Kevin Brandstatter
i cleared out the  configs when i installed the release. Suspend works,
it even locks now, but i still cant change the settings. no dbus
problems that i can see

-Kevin

On 01/03/2013 04:26 AM, Robert David wrote:
> Did you try e with new config with e-17 release? Or you had some
> previous configs and was replaced with release. Because there was some
> config upgrade and old configs did not work and some was not replaced
> correctly (mixer gadget).
>
> And suspendig with E works ok? You use pm-suspend? Dont you have some
> dbus problems? As the events are send through dbus I think, for me it
> works even with running pm-suspend from console (E locks screen).
>
> Robert.
>
>
> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 03:51:34 -0600
> Kevin Brandstatter  wrote:
>
>> The problem is the option to lock screen on suspend is greyed out and
>> uncheckable.
>> Did try building with all modules
>>
>> -Kevin
>>
>> On 12/28/2012 04:16 AM, Robert David wrote:
>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>
>>> what exactly you missing on screen lock in E17? I use E17 and screen
>>> lock is ok when suspending. It does not need some xscreenlock
>>> stuff, it is just part of e. Just check
>>> settings->sceen->screen_lock and checkin lock_on_suspend. Thats
>>> all:)
>>>
>>> If you missing something, just make sure you build with all the
>>> modules flags.
>>>
>>> x11-wm/enlightenment-0.17.0 was built with the following:
>>> USE="nls pam spell udev ukit -doc -emotion -static-libs"
>>> ENLIGHTENMENT_MODULES="access backlight battery clock comp
>>> conf-applications conf-dialogs conf-display conf-edgebindings
>>> conf-interaction conf-intl conf-keybindings conf-menus conf-paths
>>> conf-performance conf-randr conf-shelves conf-theme
>>> conf-window-manipulation conf-window-remembers connman cpufreq
>>> dropshadow everything fileman fileman-opinfo gadman ibar ibox
>>> illume2 mixer msgbus notification pager quickaccess shot start
>>> syscon systray tasks temperature tiling winlist wizard xkbswitch"
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:51:26 -0600
>>> Kevin Brandstatter  wrote:
>>>
 On 12/27/2012 05:16 PM, Mick wrote:
> On Saturday 22 Dec 2012 01:29:57 Kevin Brandstatter wrote:
>> So e17 just came out and ive been using for a bit. The only
>> problem ive had with it is that i cant check the option to lock
>> the screen on suspend. I don't think this is a problem on some
>> of the other distributions so thought it could be a policy
>> problem on gentoo.
>>
>> Curious if anyone else uses e17/has this problem and maybe a fix.
>> or just for suggestions of where to look
> I can't select it here either, but I suspect that this may be
> because I do not use xscreenlock or equivalent.
>
> Have you tried posting either at the e17 or the
> enlightenm...@gentoo.org mailing lists?
 yes I first posted to the e17-users list. It was working for other
 people so i thought it might be distro specific, I emerged
 xscreensaver to see if that would fix it at all but no luck. I had
 this problem a while ago and i think it had something to do with
 polkit settings

 -Kevin

>>
>




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Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?

2013-01-03 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:24:13 +
I wrote:

> it's very
> few tabs

If tabs are the irritation to scroll open mail, try three column view to
reduce the likelihood or small screen view which only needs arrows enter
and escape.



[gentoo-user] udev downgrade

2013-01-03 Thread James
The thread "Ethernet Machinations"
is finished and all ethernet issues
are resolved.


I'm starting a new thread as to deal with what to
do about udev. The same system mentioned in
the previous ethernet thread had become upgraded to
udev-196-r1 (late one night when I was tired
AND NOT THINKING TOO WELL...
I have since been on a roller_coaster ride with
udev, almost eudev and version dev experimentations
as an accident...

>From the last thread:
I don't know what version of udev you're running (sorry if I missed it,)
but the udev-186 elog says:
"Upstream has removed the persistent-net and persistent-cd rules
 generator. If you need persistent names for these devices,
 place udev rules for them in /etc/udev/rules.d."



I just sync and I have only have these versions of udev:
 Available versions:  ~141-r1 ~146-r1^t ~149 ~151-r4 ~164-r2 171-r9 ~195^t
~196-r1^t **999


So unless somebody can give me good reason, I'm downgrading to
udev-171 asap on this (only) system running udev 196...
(ps, I like to experiment, but not with udev et. al.)


I even thinking or running 'emerge -e system' just to ensure
nothing is missed?

Suggestions are most welcome.




Re: [gentoo-user] E17 lock screen

2013-01-03 Thread Robert David
This is wired, can you post screenshot?

There does not seem to be some condition in code.

Robert.

On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 12:27:41 -0600
Kevin Brandstatter  wrote:

> i cleared out the  configs when i installed the release. Suspend
> works, it even locks now, but i still cant change the settings. no
> dbus problems that i can see
> 
> -Kevin
> 
> On 01/03/2013 04:26 AM, Robert David wrote:
> > Did you try e with new config with e-17 release? Or you had some
> > previous configs and was replaced with release. Because there was
> > some config upgrade and old configs did not work and some was not
> > replaced correctly (mixer gadget).
> >
> > And suspendig with E works ok? You use pm-suspend? Dont you have
> > some dbus problems? As the events are send through dbus I think,
> > for me it works even with running pm-suspend from console (E locks
> > screen).
> >
> > Robert.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 03:51:34 -0600
> > Kevin Brandstatter  wrote:
> >
> >> The problem is the option to lock screen on suspend is greyed out
> >> and uncheckable.
> >> Did try building with all modules
> >>
> >> -Kevin
> >>
> >> On 12/28/2012 04:16 AM, Robert David wrote:
> >>> Hi Kevin,
> >>>
> >>> what exactly you missing on screen lock in E17? I use E17 and
> >>> screen lock is ok when suspending. It does not need some
> >>> xscreenlock stuff, it is just part of e. Just check
> >>> settings->sceen->screen_lock and checkin lock_on_suspend. Thats
> >>> all:)
> >>>
> >>> If you missing something, just make sure you build with all the
> >>> modules flags.
> >>>
> >>> x11-wm/enlightenment-0.17.0 was built with the following:
> >>> USE="nls pam spell udev ukit -doc -emotion -static-libs"
> >>> ENLIGHTENMENT_MODULES="access backlight battery clock comp
> >>> conf-applications conf-dialogs conf-display conf-edgebindings
> >>> conf-interaction conf-intl conf-keybindings conf-menus conf-paths
> >>> conf-performance conf-randr conf-shelves conf-theme
> >>> conf-window-manipulation conf-window-remembers connman cpufreq
> >>> dropshadow everything fileman fileman-opinfo gadman ibar ibox
> >>> illume2 mixer msgbus notification pager quickaccess shot start
> >>> syscon systray tasks temperature tiling winlist wizard xkbswitch"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Robert.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:51:26 -0600
> >>> Kevin Brandstatter  wrote:
> >>>
>  On 12/27/2012 05:16 PM, Mick wrote:
> > On Saturday 22 Dec 2012 01:29:57 Kevin Brandstatter wrote:
> >> So e17 just came out and ive been using for a bit. The only
> >> problem ive had with it is that i cant check the option to lock
> >> the screen on suspend. I don't think this is a problem on some
> >> of the other distributions so thought it could be a policy
> >> problem on gentoo.
> >>
> >> Curious if anyone else uses e17/has this problem and maybe a
> >> fix. or just for suggestions of where to look
> > I can't select it here either, but I suspect that this may be
> > because I do not use xscreenlock or equivalent.
> >
> > Have you tried posting either at the e17 or the
> > enlightenm...@gentoo.org mailing lists?
>  yes I first posted to the e17-users list. It was working for
>  other people so i thought it might be distro specific, I emerged
>  xscreensaver to see if that would fix it at all but no luck. I
>  had this problem a while ago and i think it had something to do
>  with polkit settings
> 
>  -Kevin
> 
> >>
> >
> 
> 




Re: [gentoo-user] Powering down the USB controller

2013-01-03 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Grant  wrote:
> I'm trying to get a USB sound card to behave in a certain way which
> requires it to think the computer has gone to sleep.  I'm told the
> specific signal the sound card looks for is if the USB controller has
> been physically powered down.  Should I unload a kernel module to
> accomplish this, or do I need to actually put the computer into sleep
> mode?

I don't think you can turn USB port off, at best you can suspend it,
which is not truly 100% powered-down. I think you might be able to
power off an entire hub (and never power it back on again until
reboot) but I'm not sure if that will be any better than just
unplugging the cable. You might be able to build some kind of simple
USB on/off switch. :)

Check out /sys/bus/usb/devices/[yourdevice]/power/level for current
status and you can echo different commands to that same file to
attempt to change its status. Check out the power management settings
and documentation in the linux kernel for your options.



Re: [gentoo-user] Ram Problem!

2013-01-03 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Teodor Spæren  wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I am trying to install gentoo on an old armada m700. The specs that I think
> is relevant for this problem is the clocking speed of the cpu and the ram.
> It got 223mhz of clocking speed and 116mb ram. I have added 512mb of swap
> since I knew the ram was going to be a problem.
>
> The command I issue is: "emerge gentoo-sources" and the output of the
> command is this: http://bpaste.net/raw/66293/
>
> The only thing I can really read from the error message is that it runs out
> of ram. This surprises me because all it is really doing is moving the
> kernel sources into place? I asked around in #gentoo on irc.freenode.net and
> someone adviced me to turn of "MAKEOPTS="-j2" and "-pipe", but this doesn't
> fix it.

And in the case of this sources package, I think nothing is being
compiled anyway. It simply unpacks, patches and copies the files to
/usr/src/x so I don't think either of those options ever come into
play.

You can manually emerge using the "ebuild" command, would be
interesting to see if it makes any difference. Could be some RAM usage
by emerge is just too much for your system.

You may need to use ulimit to keep python from using too much RAM when
you run emerge.

Do you have any daemons running in the background? Could you disable
any to free up more RAM as a test?

I think you will need even more than 512mb swap to be honest, I have a
server with 256mb of RAM and have to use 1gb of swap or else I get out
of memory conditions on occasion. I think you want 1gb or more if it
is possible.

In this case because it's out of memory while copying files, I wonder
if some of sysctl vm.* options will have influence. Kernel sources
have thousands of files and maybe I/O is not fast enough.

I use nice and ionice to make emerge running at the lowest priority
(meaning the least important)

> The possible work around I have thought of is just getting the vanilla
> kernel  from kernel.org, but the gentoo wiki advise against it, since
> gentoo-sources is a patched kernel.

You can use vanilla, no problems. Please review the genpatches patch
set and determine if you use/need any of the Gentoo patches:
https://dev.gentoo.org/~mpagano/genpatches/

You can also manually apply this patchset to vanilla if you like, of course.

Good luck and welcome to the list! :)



[gentoo-user] Re: udev downgrade

2013-01-03 Thread James
James  tampabay.rr.com> writes:


> So unless somebody can give me good reason, I'm downgrading to
> udev-171 asap on this (only) system running udev 196...
> (ps, I like to experiment, but not with udev et. al.)

Long night, when you have to answer your own posts.

Now I get:


emerge -p1u udev

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild UD ] sys-fs/udev-171-r9 [196-r1] USE="rule_generator%*
-action_modeswitch% -build% -debug% -edd% (-extras) -floppy% {-test%}" 
[blocks B  ] =sys-fs/udev-196-r1[gudev?,hwdb?,introspection?,keymap?,selinux?,static-libs?]
required by (virtual/udev-196::gentoo, installed)

(sys-fs/udev-171-r9::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
(no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot)


ideas?


James




Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev downgrade

2013-01-03 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 02:54:31AM +, James wrote:
> James  tampabay.rr.com> writes:
> 
> 
> > So unless somebody can give me good reason, I'm downgrading to
> > udev-171 asap on this (only) system running udev 196...
> > (ps, I like to experiment, but not with udev et. al.)
> 
> Long night, when you have to answer your own posts.
> 
> Now I get:
> 
> 
> emerge -p1u udev
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [ebuild UD ] sys-fs/udev-171-r9 [196-r1] USE="rule_generator%*
> -action_modeswitch% -build% -debug% -edd% (-extras) -floppy% {-test%}" 
> [blocks B  ]  sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-17-r1)
> 
> !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been pulled
> !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict:
> 
> sys-fs/udev:0
> 
>   (sys-fs/udev-196-r1::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
>
> >=sys-fs/udev-196-r1[gudev?,hwdb?,introspection?,keymap?,selinux?,static-libs?]
> required by (virtual/udev-196::gentoo, installed)
> 
> (sys-fs/udev-171-r9::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
> (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot)
> 
> 
> ideas?
> 
> 
> James

Too late, too tired, but do you have:

>=sys-fs/udev-181

in /etc/portage/package.mask ?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?

2013-01-03 Thread Randy Barlow
On 01/03/2013 12:09 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> Does anyone recommend a mail client that doesn't rely too heavily on the
> mouse? I much prefer to navigate, reply etc with the keyboard. I've
> seen Evolution recommended; is that OK?

Thunderbird is my favorite mail client. You can do a lot with the KB.
For example, go to next read mail is just 'n' for next. CTRL-R for
reply. It's not bad to learn the shortcuts. Plus it has a lot of great
features and extensions.

For CLI clients, I sometimes use Mutt. It's a little bit of a pain to
configure for IMAP, but once you get it going it's pretty cool.

-- 
R



Re: [gentoo-user] Powering down the USB controller

2013-01-03 Thread Grant
>> I'm trying to get a USB sound card to behave in a certain way which
>> requires it to think the computer has gone to sleep.  I'm told the
>> specific signal the sound card looks for is if the USB controller has
>> been physically powered down.  Should I unload a kernel module to
>> accomplish this, or do I need to actually put the computer into sleep
>> mode?
>
> I don't think you can turn USB port off, at best you can suspend it,
> which is not truly 100% powered-down. I think you might be able to
> power off an entire hub (and never power it back on again until
> reboot) but I'm not sure if that will be any better than just
> unplugging the cable. You might be able to build some kind of simple
> USB on/off switch. :)
>
> Check out /sys/bus/usb/devices/[yourdevice]/power/level for current
> status and you can echo different commands to that same file to
> attempt to change its status. Check out the power management settings
> and documentation in the linux kernel for your options.

Will do, thanks Paul.

- Grant



Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?

2013-01-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:09:27 +0100
"Peter Humphrey"  wrote:

> 
> On 3/1/2013, "Alan McKinnon"  wrote:
> >On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:43 +
> >Peter Humphrey  wrote:
> >> When kmail was upgraded to 4.9.3 last month it made a complete hash
> >> of my e- mail system. In the end I moved my user out of the way and
> >> created a new user. Importing the e-mails from a backup of the old
> >> version omitted large numbers of e-mails, including a lot of
> >> complete folders. I also noticed that kmail had not created a
> >> trash folder.
> >
> >So the kdepim devs STILL haven't fixed that one? Oh dear.
> 
> --->8
> 
> Thanks for your thoughts Alan. I didn't like Claws much last time I
> tried it, but then that was some time ago.

Claws does take some getting used to. Most routine functions can be
keyboard-driven (read and fetch mail, go to next folder etc). I do find
the dialogs to set up filters are "verbose" and not what I'm used to
with gui apps - they work, there's is no oddities to what the filters
will do, but the way to get there has never felt exactly right.


> Does anyone recommend a mail client that doesn't rely too heavily on
> the mouse? I much prefer to navigate, reply etc with the keyboard.
> I've seen Evolution recommended; is that OK?

Mutt, pine and friends? Great for reading mailing lists, especially
those that frown on html mail.

And there's always gmail if you are happy for Google to read what you
read.



-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?

2013-01-03 Thread William Kenworthy
On 04/01/13 01:09, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> 
> On 3/1/2013, "Alan McKinnon"  wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:43 +
>> Peter Humphrey  wrote:
>>> When kmail was upgraded to 4.9.3 last month it made a complete hash
>>> of my e- mail system. In the end I moved my user out of the way and
>>> created a new user. Importing the e-mails from a backup of the old
>>> version omitted large numbers of e-mails, including a lot of complete
>>> folders. I also noticed that kmail had not created a trash folder.
>>
>> So the kdepim devs STILL haven't fixed that one? Oh dear.
> 
> --->8
> 
> Thanks for your thoughts Alan. I didn't like Claws much last time I
> tried it, but then that was some time ago.
> 
> Does anyone recommend a mail client that doesn't rely too heavily on the
> mouse? I much prefer to navigate, reply etc with the keyboard. I've
> seen Evolution recommended; is that OK?
> 
> Meanwhile I'm having to use my ISP;s webmail service.
> 

I used evolution for years (since something like 0.4!) until about a
month ago when I gave up and moved to thunderbird.  I have a mixture of
local (courier imap), exchange and other imap accounts.

Evolution has some weird bugs and in general doesn't work when accessing
some imap backends alongside other clients to the same account (emails
may be deleted on my desktop, but get undeleted on next access from the
laptop is one), as well as issues with its calendaring.  Its
frustrating, and been getting worse.  As well, I am now in active gnome
squashing mode since Ive decided to not buy into the whole
udev/systemd/gnome3 mess in the future so it became an easy choice that
evolution had to go :)

Thunderbird in comparison has been much nicer.  Two problems I have
though are it seems to fragment memory (on a 32bit system) causing
suspend to fail on one system, and while its quite happily remembering
my email passwords, it refuses to do so for the calendar passwords when
connecting to a radicale backend (well it remembers them, but pops up a
cancel/ok dialog for confirmation on every calendar on first starting
thunderbird - maybe due to a prematurely squashed gnome whose function
needs restoring?

BillK





Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev downgrade

2013-01-03 Thread Dustin C. Hatch

On 1/3/2013 20:54, James wrote:

James  tampabay.rr.com> writes:



So unless somebody can give me good reason, I'm downgrading to
udev-171 asap on this (only) system running udev 196...
(ps, I like to experiment, but not with udev et. al.)


Long night, when you have to answer your own posts.

Now I get:


emerge -p1u udev

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild UD ] sys-fs/udev-171-r9 [196-r1] USE="rule_generator%*
-action_modeswitch% -build% -debug% -edd% (-extras) -floppy% {-test%}"
[blocks B  ] 
=sys-fs/udev-196-r1[gudev?,hwdb?,introspection?,keymap?,selinux?,static-libs?]

required by (virtual/udev-196::gentoo, installed)

(sys-fs/udev-171-r9::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
 (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot)


ideas?


James


The problem is you are trying to downgrade sys-fs/udev but not 
virtual/udev. If you want to force using udev-171, you need to mask both 
the real and virtual atoms. Try this in /etc/portage/package.mask/udev:


>=sys-fs/udev-181
>=virtual/udev-181

Then emerge -avuD1 udev and see if that fixes it.

--
♫Dustin