[gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?
Hello list, When kmail was upgraded to 4.9.3 last month it made a complete hash of my e- mail system. In the end I moved my user out of the way and created a new user. Importing the e-mails from a backup of the old version omitted large numbers of e-mails, including a lot of complete folders. I also noticed that kmail had not created a trash folder. So I did it again: created another new user. This time I got more messages imported but still not the whole lot (about 25,000). Still no trash. So I imported specific folders to complete the import. I tried creating a Wastebin folder manually (that's what the trash can is called in the UK) but of course that had no effect. Now I find that several filters work sometimes but not others, thus dropping e.g. this list partly into its own folder and partly into the general inbox. If I move the offending messages myself, next time I look they've been moved back again. If I delete a message, there being no trash folder, it's re-presented as a new message together with the original, and if I delete those I get four. Now in one folder I have 120 "new" messages. Is there a sane way out of this? I don't know if I can face creating yet another new user with all the drudgery that entails. -- Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] E17 lock screen
The problem is the option to lock screen on suspend is greyed out and uncheckable. Did try building with all modules -Kevin On 12/28/2012 04:16 AM, Robert David wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > what exactly you missing on screen lock in E17? I use E17 and screen > lock is ok when suspending. It does not need some xscreenlock stuff, it > is just part of e. Just check settings->sceen->screen_lock and checkin > lock_on_suspend. Thats all:) > > If you missing something, just make sure you build with all the modules > flags. > > x11-wm/enlightenment-0.17.0 was built with the following: > USE="nls pam spell udev ukit -doc -emotion -static-libs" > ENLIGHTENMENT_MODULES="access backlight battery clock comp > conf-applications conf-dialogs conf-display conf-edgebindings > conf-interaction conf-intl conf-keybindings conf-menus conf-paths > conf-performance conf-randr conf-shelves conf-theme > conf-window-manipulation conf-window-remembers connman cpufreq > dropshadow everything fileman fileman-opinfo gadman ibar ibox illume2 > mixer msgbus notification pager quickaccess shot start syscon systray > tasks temperature tiling winlist wizard xkbswitch" > > > Robert. > > > On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:51:26 -0600 > Kevin Brandstatter wrote: > >> On 12/27/2012 05:16 PM, Mick wrote: >>> On Saturday 22 Dec 2012 01:29:57 Kevin Brandstatter wrote: So e17 just came out and ive been using for a bit. The only problem ive had with it is that i cant check the option to lock the screen on suspend. I don't think this is a problem on some of the other distributions so thought it could be a policy problem on gentoo. Curious if anyone else uses e17/has this problem and maybe a fix. or just for suggestions of where to look >>> I can't select it here either, but I suspect that this may be >>> because I do not use xscreenlock or equivalent. >>> >>> Have you tried posting either at the e17 or the >>> enlightenm...@gentoo.org mailing lists? >> yes I first posted to the e17-users list. It was working for other >> people so i thought it might be distro specific, I emerged >> xscreensaver to see if that would fix it at all but no luck. I had >> this problem a while ago and i think it had something to do with >> polkit settings >> >> -Kevin >> > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] E17 lock screen
Did you try e with new config with e-17 release? Or you had some previous configs and was replaced with release. Because there was some config upgrade and old configs did not work and some was not replaced correctly (mixer gadget). And suspendig with E works ok? You use pm-suspend? Dont you have some dbus problems? As the events are send through dbus I think, for me it works even with running pm-suspend from console (E locks screen). Robert. On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 03:51:34 -0600 Kevin Brandstatter wrote: > The problem is the option to lock screen on suspend is greyed out and > uncheckable. > Did try building with all modules > > -Kevin > > On 12/28/2012 04:16 AM, Robert David wrote: > > Hi Kevin, > > > > what exactly you missing on screen lock in E17? I use E17 and screen > > lock is ok when suspending. It does not need some xscreenlock > > stuff, it is just part of e. Just check > > settings->sceen->screen_lock and checkin lock_on_suspend. Thats > > all:) > > > > If you missing something, just make sure you build with all the > > modules flags. > > > > x11-wm/enlightenment-0.17.0 was built with the following: > > USE="nls pam spell udev ukit -doc -emotion -static-libs" > > ENLIGHTENMENT_MODULES="access backlight battery clock comp > > conf-applications conf-dialogs conf-display conf-edgebindings > > conf-interaction conf-intl conf-keybindings conf-menus conf-paths > > conf-performance conf-randr conf-shelves conf-theme > > conf-window-manipulation conf-window-remembers connman cpufreq > > dropshadow everything fileman fileman-opinfo gadman ibar ibox > > illume2 mixer msgbus notification pager quickaccess shot start > > syscon systray tasks temperature tiling winlist wizard xkbswitch" > > > > > > Robert. > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:51:26 -0600 > > Kevin Brandstatter wrote: > > > >> On 12/27/2012 05:16 PM, Mick wrote: > >>> On Saturday 22 Dec 2012 01:29:57 Kevin Brandstatter wrote: > So e17 just came out and ive been using for a bit. The only > problem ive had with it is that i cant check the option to lock > the screen on suspend. I don't think this is a problem on some > of the other distributions so thought it could be a policy > problem on gentoo. > > Curious if anyone else uses e17/has this problem and maybe a fix. > or just for suggestions of where to look > >>> I can't select it here either, but I suspect that this may be > >>> because I do not use xscreenlock or equivalent. > >>> > >>> Have you tried posting either at the e17 or the > >>> enlightenm...@gentoo.org mailing lists? > >> yes I first posted to the e17-users list. It was working for other > >> people so i thought it might be distro specific, I emerged > >> xscreensaver to see if that would fix it at all but no luck. I had > >> this problem a while ago and i think it had something to do with > >> polkit settings > >> > >> -Kevin > >> > > > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?
On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:43 + Peter Humphrey wrote: > Hello list, > > When kmail was upgraded to 4.9.3 last month it made a complete hash > of my e- mail system. In the end I moved my user out of the way and > created a new user. Importing the e-mails from a backup of the old > version omitted large numbers of e-mails, including a lot of complete > folders. I also noticed that kmail had not created a trash folder. So the kdepim devs STILL haven't fixed that one? Oh dear. tldr; longish post. Short version: Use something else. It's mail, not software magic. I ran into something much the same long ago with kamil2 around the 4.3 or 4.5 era. Imports wouldn't work, akonadi was displaying essentially random mails in random folders in no special order, and I was losing mail. Eventually, after much physical and spiritual pain, I figured that what was really happening was probably akonadi importing the mail to $SOMEWHERE and $AT_SOME_RANDOM_TIME would index it properly; it would do this on the basis off $WHEN_IT_FELT_RIGHT_TO_DO_IT. This trick works awesomely well for caching thumbnails of my video collection for xbmc. It works less well for my mail. It's disastrous when the whole process is not documented, when the user has no visibility into it and no defined way of seeing what's going on, not even a progress meter. The traditional way of handling such asynchronous indexing problems is to provide an option where the user can force a re-index and the system will just chug along doing it displaying progress. If the mail app suspends itself while doing this, well that's fine, at least it ends in a reasonable time. But, kdepim at that stage had no such option. One other thing I discovered back then: if I killed akonadi & kdepim and rebooted out of sheer frustration, it would *throw* *away* all it's temporary files form $SOMEWHERE as above and corrupt it's own database. Leading to lost mail. If you just leave the damn thing alone for ages and ages it eventually sorts itself out, but you can't see how far along it is. Such shoddy alpha-quality software shipped and billed as enterprise production-ready was more than I could bear, so I just switched mail client to claws-mail. On 4.9.3 you are still experiencing something similar. Hmmm. Indicates to me a high probability of a systemic problem with the projects approach, something that is unlikely to ever get really fixed. In my opinion kdepim2 is vastly over-engineered and an attempt to solve a problem that does not actually exist. I recommend you use a different mail app. As I mentioned in the tldr, it's a mail app. There are many mail apps and none are super-special. > > So I did it again: created another new user. This time I got more > messages imported but still not the whole lot (about 25,000). Still > no trash. So I imported specific folders to complete the import. I > tried creating a Wastebin folder manually (that's what the trash can > is called in the UK) but of course that had no effect. > > Now I find that several filters work sometimes but not others, thus > dropping e.g. this list partly into its own folder and partly into > the general inbox. If I move the offending messages myself, next time > I look they've been moved back again. > > If I delete a message, there being no trash folder, it's re-presented > as a new message together with the original, and if I delete those I > get four. Now in one folder I have 120 "new" messages. > > Is there a sane way out of this? I don't know if I can face creating > yet another new user with all the drudgery that entails. > -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Old ATI Radeon RV350 driver broken after system update
On 2012-12-04 19:52, Peter Weilbacher wrote: Right, I did that now, and have the framebuffer splash back. X also starts but the whole system locks hard once gdm tries to paint the login area. Unfortunately, after rebooting the log doesn't give me any useful output. I have to fiddle around with the setup a bit to see what's wrong, maybe something's still missing. I didn't find out anything after that, although I rebooted quite a few times. But I'm happy to see that today's update of x11-base/xorg-server-1.13.1 (from 1.13.0-r1) fixed my crashes. Now I'm a happy X user again. :-) Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] IPtables - Mangle table - when/why do I need it (or do I need it)?
On 2013-01-02 7:14 PM, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 02 Jan 2013 19:47:11 Tanstaafl wrote: Oh, ok - so, if I don't have any rules that use the 'mangle' command, then I can safely remove mangle support from my kernel and lose the mangle table altogether? Yes, I would think so. You can build it as a module anyway and un/not load it to see if iptables starts up without errors. This is a server, so no modules support at all... But no worries, I always keep my previous kernel when upgrading, so if something doesn't work right, I just reboot back to the previous one... it has saved me more than a few times... Thanks again
[gentoo-user] Issues emerging Calligra
Hi all :) First off: Happy New Year ;) I'm trying to emerge Calligra but I get stuck on the following error when glew gets emerged: >>> Emerging (1 of 9) media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1 * glew-1.6.0.tgz SHA256 size ;-) ... [ ok ] >>> Unpacking source... >>> Unpacking glew-1.6.0.tgz to /var/tmp/portage/media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1/work >>> Source unpacked in /var/tmp/portage/media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1/work >>> Preparing source in >>> /var/tmp/portage/media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1/work/glew-1.6.0 ... >>> Source prepared. >>> Configuring source in >>> /var/tmp/portage/media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1/work/glew-1.6.0 ... >>> Source configured. >>> Compiling source in >>> /var/tmp/portage/media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1/work/glew-1.6.0 ... make AR=i686-pc-linux-gnu-ar STRIP=true CC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc 'LD=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed' M_ARCH= LDFLAGS.EXTRA= ' POPT=-O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -march=pentium-m -mmmx -msse -msse2 -mfpmath=sse' i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -DGLEW_NO_GLU -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -march=pentium-m -mmmx -msse -msse2 -mfpmath=sse -Wall -W -Iinclude -fPI C -o src/glew.pic_o -c src/glew.c i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed -shared -Wl,-soname=libGLEW.so.1.6 -o lib/libGLEW.so.1.6.0 src/glew.pic_o -lXmu -lXi -lGLU -l GL -lXext -lX11 /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.4/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lGLU collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [lib/libGLEW.so.1.6.0] Error 1 * ERROR: media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1 failed (compile phase): * emake failed * * If you need support, post the output of `emerge --info '=media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1'`, * the complete build log and the output of `emerge -pqv '=media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1'`. * The complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1/temp/build.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1/temp/environment'. * Working directory: '/var/tmp/portage/media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1/work/glew-1.6.0' * S: '/var/tmp/portage/media-libs/glew-1.6.0-r1/work/glew-1.6.0' I checked the forums and found this. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-921896-start-0.html But, AFAIK, this solution is for x86_64 and my system is a pure 32 bit environment (Pentium M processor). Any ideas? TIA Rafa
Re: [gentoo-user] Old ATI Radeon RV350 driver broken after system update
On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 11:59:55AM +0100, Peter Weilbacher wrote: > > But I'm happy to see that today's update of x11-base/xorg-server-1.13.1 > (from > 1.13.0-r1) fixed my crashes. Now I'm a happy X user again. :-) xorg-server-1.13.1 (25 Dec 2012) Your mirror must be *really* lagging. :( -- Happy Penguin Computers >') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] Breakage from recent updates to gnome-3.6 on ~amd64
On 03.01.2013 02:11, walt wrote: > I use mostly the cinnamon fork of gnome-shell but I also give gnome-shell > a try occasionally just to annoy myself :) > > The gnome updates from Jan 1-2 caused me a bit of trouble, but I'm making > progress that might help some of you: > > First, the addition of gstreamer-1.0 is now installed along side the > old gstreamer-0.10, which apparently has broken rhythmbox. At first I > thought that sound support was broken completely but after a few hours > of frustration I found the breakage is confined to rhythmbox and a bug > report is already filed. For gstreamer-1.0: make sure that all your installed media-plugins/gst-plugins-* packages for slot 0.10 are also installed in slot 1.0 You may have to install them manually.
[gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?
I find this very strange, or am I just blind? - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: > I find this very strange, or am I just blind? Mailing list archives have been screwed up for almost a year... -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> I find this very strange, or am I just blind? > > Mailing list archives have been screwed up for almost a year... OK, apparently only six months. Since June. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Michael Mol wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: >>> I find this very strange, or am I just blind? >> >> Mailing list archives have been screwed up for almost a year... > > OK, apparently only six months. Since June. > > -- > :wq > OK, so that addresses that issue. Also, are _very_ old archives available anywhere anymore? I started using Gentoo way in the dark ages... late 2002, early 2003 maybe? I certainly remember the 2004.0 release - still have a CD I think. I was looking around for a source of some very old emails of mine to the list. Are they all just gone at this point?
Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Michael Mol wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Michael Mol wrote: >>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: I find this very strange, or am I just blind? >>> >>> Mailing list archives have been screwed up for almost a year... >> >> OK, apparently only six months. Since June. >> >> -- >> :wq >> > > OK, so that addresses that issue. > > Also, are _very_ old archives available anywhere anymore? I started > using Gentoo way in the dark ages... late 2002, early 2003 maybe? I > certainly remember the 2004.0 release - still have a CD I think. I was > looking around for a source of some very old emails of mine to the > list. Are they all just gone at this point? > Gmane has it going back as far as this message: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/1 -- :wq
[gentoo-user] Re: http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?
Mark Knecht: [gentoo-user] >Also, are _very_ old archives available anywhere anymore? http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user If you use the second entry 'On the web, using a blog-like, flat interface' and scroll down, you can see the archive on the left. Hartmut -- Usenet-ABC-Wiki http://www.usenet-abc.de/wiki/ Von Usern fuer User :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > Gmane has it going back as far as this message: > > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/1 > Thanks. I never think to use Gmane. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote: > Mark Knecht: > > [gentoo-user] >>Also, are _very_ old archives available anywhere anymore? > > http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user > > If you use the second entry 'On the web, using a blog-like, flat > interface' and scroll down, you can see the archive on the left. Doesn't go back as far. I checked. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote: > Mark Knecht: > > [gentoo-user] >>Also, are _very_ old archives available anywhere anymore? > > http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user > > If you use the second entry 'On the web, using a blog-like, flat > interface' and scroll down, you can see the archive on the left. > > Hartmut Perfect! Thanks! that took me back to May, 2003 which would seem to be roughly the time I started with Gentoo. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote: >> Mark Knecht: >> >> [gentoo-user] >>>Also, are _very_ old archives available anywhere anymore? >> >> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user >> >> If you use the second entry 'On the web, using a blog-like, flat >> interface' and scroll down, you can see the archive on the left. >> >> Hartmut > > Perfect! Thanks! that took me back to May, 2003 which would seem to be > roughly the time I started with Gentoo. Apparently, I didn't scroll down far enough to see the by-year links in blog view. I was looking at the page counts. Curiously, the blog view works *further* back than the frame/thread view; there's several hundred "pages" in the frame/thread view that don't work. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?
Totally cool though. I don't think I found my earliest posts, but they were certainly in the learning stages where I clearly didn't know the difference between emerge -e and emerge -u. I got some pointy fingers poked in my side by spider for that. :-) At least this will allow me to figure out the names of a couple of folks I was thinking about this last weekend. Cheers, Mark On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote: >>> Mark Knecht: >>> >>> [gentoo-user] Also, are _very_ old archives available anywhere anymore? >>> >>> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user >>> >>> If you use the second entry 'On the web, using a blog-like, flat >>> interface' and scroll down, you can see the archive on the left. >>> >>> Hartmut >> >> Perfect! Thanks! that took me back to May, 2003 which would seem to be >> roughly the time I started with Gentoo. > > Apparently, I didn't scroll down far enough to see the by-year links > in blog view. I was looking at the page counts. > > Curiously, the blog view works *further* back than the frame/thread > view; there's several hundred "pages" in the frame/thread view that > don't work. > > -- > :wq >
Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?
On 01/03/2013 09:14 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> I find this very strange, or am I just blind? > > Mailing list archives have been screwed up for almost a year... > I looked for a bug but don't see one. Does infra know about it?
Re: [gentoo-user] Issues emerging Calligra
On 01/03/2013 06:33 AM, Rafa Griman wrote: > Hi all :) > > First off: Happy New Year ;) > > I'm trying to emerge Calligra but I get stuck on the following error > when glew gets emerged: > Make sure your 'eselect opengl' looks like it should, and then if that doesn't help, file a bug. The "cannot find -lGLU" usually indicates a missing dependency, but everything in the ebuilds looks OK to me at first glance. You've got media-libs/glu installed?
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?
On Thursday 03 Jan 2013 10:33:52 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:43 + > > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > Hello list, > > > > When kmail was upgraded to 4.9.3 last month it made a complete hash > > of my e- mail system. In the end I moved my user out of the way and > > created a new user. Importing the e-mails from a backup of the old > > version omitted large numbers of e-mails, including a lot of complete > > folders. I also noticed that kmail had not created a trash folder. > > So the kdepim devs STILL haven't fixed that one? Oh dear. > > tldr; longish post. Short version: Use something else. It's mail, not > software magic. > > I ran into something much the same long ago with kamil2 > around the 4.3 or 4.5 era. Imports wouldn't work, akonadi was displaying > essentially random mails in random folders in no special order, and I > was losing mail. > > Eventually, after much physical and spiritual pain, I figured that what > was really happening was probably akonadi importing the mail to > $SOMEWHERE and $AT_SOME_RANDOM_TIME would index it properly; it would > do this on the basis off $WHEN_IT_FELT_RIGHT_TO_DO_IT. > > This trick works awesomely well for caching thumbnails of my video > collection for xbmc. It works less well for my mail. It's disastrous > when the whole process is not documented, when the user has no > visibility into it and no defined way of seeing what's going on, not > even a progress meter. The traditional way of handling such > asynchronous indexing problems is to provide an option where the user > can force a re-index and the system will just chug along doing it > displaying progress. If the mail app suspends itself while doing this, > well that's fine, at least it ends in a reasonable time. But, kdepim at > that stage had no such option. > > One other thing I discovered back then: if I killed akonadi & kdepim > and rebooted out of sheer frustration, it would *throw* *away* all it's > temporary files form $SOMEWHERE as above and corrupt it's own database. > Leading to lost mail. If you just leave the damn thing alone for ages > and ages it eventually sorts itself out, but you can't see how far > along it is. > > Such shoddy alpha-quality software shipped and billed as enterprise > production-ready was more than I could bear, so I just switched mail > client to claws-mail. > > On 4.9.3 you are still experiencing something similar. Hmmm. Indicates > to me a high probability of a systemic problem with the projects > approach, something that is unlikely to ever get really fixed. In my > opinion kdepim2 is vastly over-engineered and an attempt to solve a > problem that does not actually exist. I recommend you use a different > mail app. > > As I mentioned in the tldr, it's a mail app. There are many mail apps > and none are super-special. Thankfully, I'm still on kmail-1.13.7 and I am dreading the time that it will no longer be available. I've used kmail for so many years now that everything else I tried has been a great disappointment for me. Last time I tried to upgrade to kmail 2 some time early last year (for the 4th time) it made exactly the mess experienced by others, like: - duplicate/multiple messages when I tried to delete them - missing/disappearing messages - inability to show anything other than the Inbox folder on IMAP4 accounts I could swear that I waited for it to sync/resync, but I didn't leave the box running overnight to see if that would fix this problem. In all but one box I am not running a full KDE enchilada, so I don't know if this has something to do with it. I just hope that new devs will eventually take over this KDEPIM farce and something sane will surface for those of us who still want/need to use a mail client. -- Regards, Mick smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 01/03/2013 09:14 AM, Michael Mol wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: >>> I find this very strange, or am I just blind? >> >> Mailing list archives have been screwed up for almost a year... >> > > I looked for a bug but don't see one. Does infra know about it? Yeah, me and Volker both filed bugs last year. They kept getting marked as dupes and folded into some general backend madness. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] http://archives.gentoo.org/ doesn't include gentoo-user?
Am Donnerstag, 3. Januar 2013, 06:08:34 schrieb Mark Knecht: > I find this very strange, or am I just blind? > > - Mark marc.info goes back to 2001 -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?
On 3/1/2013, "Alan McKinnon" wrote: >On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:43 + >Peter Humphrey wrote: >> When kmail was upgraded to 4.9.3 last month it made a complete hash >> of my e- mail system. In the end I moved my user out of the way and >> created a new user. Importing the e-mails from a backup of the old >> version omitted large numbers of e-mails, including a lot of complete >> folders. I also noticed that kmail had not created a trash folder. > >So the kdepim devs STILL haven't fixed that one? Oh dear. --->8 Thanks for your thoughts Alan. I didn't like Claws much last time I tried it, but then that was some time ago. Does anyone recommend a mail client that doesn't rely too heavily on the mouse? I much prefer to navigate, reply etc with the keyboard. I've seen Evolution recommended; is that OK? Meanwhile I'm having to use my ISP;s webmail service.
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?
On 3/1/2013, "Alan McKinnon" wrote: >On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:43 + >Peter Humphrey wrote: >> When kmail was upgraded to 4.9.3 last month it made a complete hash >> of my e- mail system. In the end I moved my user out of the way and >> created a new user. Importing the e-mails from a backup of the old >> version omitted large numbers of e-mails, including a lot of complete >> folders. I also noticed that kmail had not created a trash folder. > >So the kdepim devs STILL haven't fixed that one? Oh dear. --->8 Thanks for your thoughts Alan. I didn't like Claws much last time I tried it, but then that was some time ago. Does anyone recommend a mail client that doesn't rely too heavily on the mouse? I much prefer to navigate, reply etc with the keyboard. I've seen Evolution recommended; is that OK? Meanwhile I'm having to use my ISP;s webmail service.
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?
first of all: filtering is completely and utterly broken. You have to delete all filters whenever you add a new 'ressource' and even then they don't work most of the time. They might work if you select all mails and click 'apply filters' - or not. Bugs on b.k.o are open. Second, to import your old mails you have to add the right 'ressources'. And then pray. Oh and never delete any akonadi databases - I did it because someone wrote it would solve some problems - and lost 150 000 emails. So much joy. And now a little rant: I do not know who shat into the brains of the kdepim devs that they fucked up kmail in this unbelievable broken way. Most people do not need akonadi - or nepomuk. Everything worked GREAT. Now most shit only works half way, a lot of crap doesn't work at all - and once in a while (in my experience every 4h of runtime) Nepomuk, that utter waste of electrons starts to eat cpu-cores. But you need it! Because without it you can't search your emails! GRR -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?
Am Donnerstag, 3. Januar 2013, 18:09:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey: > Does anyone recommend a mail client that doesn't rely too heavily on the > mouse? I much prefer to navigate, reply etc with the keyboard. I've > seen Evolution recommended; is that OK? it is like replacing cholera with ebola. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?
On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:09:27 +0100 "Peter Humphrey" wrote: > Thanks for your thoughts Alan. I didn't like Claws much last time I > tried it, but then that was some time ago. > > Does anyone recommend a mail client that doesn't rely too heavily on > the mouse? I much prefer to navigate, reply etc with the keyboard. > I've seen Evolution recommended; is that OK? > > Meanwhile I'm having to use my ISP;s webmail service. I love claws but perhaps you should ask on the claws mailing list I thought it was too mouse heavy too but when I actually look it's very few tabs, arrows, enter and ctrl-R to reply etc. and the configurability of claws may help too, though I can't see if you can assign shortcuts to custom commands/actions. The manual says this but I can't find out how to change those shortcuts 'on the fly' myself after a quick try. I shall certainly be using the mouse less now anyway ;-) _ B. Default keyboard shortcuts B.1. Motivations and general conventions Although Claws Mail is a graphical application and can mainly be commanded with your mouse, it also requires the frequent use of the keyboard. Composing a mail is the most common of the tasks that require the use of the keyboard. For people who write a lot of mails, having to move hands from keyboard to mouse greatly reduces productivity, so Claws Mail provides keyboard shortcuts to allow faster operation. This not only benefits power users by providing keyboard alternatives and keyboard navigation, it also enables people with disabilities, (who may not be able to properly control a pointing device), to use Claws Mail. The most general convention is the Escape key. Focused dialogues or windows can be closed by hitting the Esc key. There are other key combinations which are assigned by default to menu items. We won't list these here, as they are already shown on the righthand side of the menus themselves, so you can easily learn them with usage. Furthermore, if you don't like them, these shortcuts can be changed on the fly by focusing on the menu item and pressing the desired key combination. In addition to these shortcuts there are others which vary from window to window, which are summarised in the following sections. _
Re: [gentoo-user] E17 lock screen
i cleared out the configs when i installed the release. Suspend works, it even locks now, but i still cant change the settings. no dbus problems that i can see -Kevin On 01/03/2013 04:26 AM, Robert David wrote: > Did you try e with new config with e-17 release? Or you had some > previous configs and was replaced with release. Because there was some > config upgrade and old configs did not work and some was not replaced > correctly (mixer gadget). > > And suspendig with E works ok? You use pm-suspend? Dont you have some > dbus problems? As the events are send through dbus I think, for me it > works even with running pm-suspend from console (E locks screen). > > Robert. > > > On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 03:51:34 -0600 > Kevin Brandstatter wrote: > >> The problem is the option to lock screen on suspend is greyed out and >> uncheckable. >> Did try building with all modules >> >> -Kevin >> >> On 12/28/2012 04:16 AM, Robert David wrote: >>> Hi Kevin, >>> >>> what exactly you missing on screen lock in E17? I use E17 and screen >>> lock is ok when suspending. It does not need some xscreenlock >>> stuff, it is just part of e. Just check >>> settings->sceen->screen_lock and checkin lock_on_suspend. Thats >>> all:) >>> >>> If you missing something, just make sure you build with all the >>> modules flags. >>> >>> x11-wm/enlightenment-0.17.0 was built with the following: >>> USE="nls pam spell udev ukit -doc -emotion -static-libs" >>> ENLIGHTENMENT_MODULES="access backlight battery clock comp >>> conf-applications conf-dialogs conf-display conf-edgebindings >>> conf-interaction conf-intl conf-keybindings conf-menus conf-paths >>> conf-performance conf-randr conf-shelves conf-theme >>> conf-window-manipulation conf-window-remembers connman cpufreq >>> dropshadow everything fileman fileman-opinfo gadman ibar ibox >>> illume2 mixer msgbus notification pager quickaccess shot start >>> syscon systray tasks temperature tiling winlist wizard xkbswitch" >>> >>> >>> Robert. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:51:26 -0600 >>> Kevin Brandstatter wrote: >>> On 12/27/2012 05:16 PM, Mick wrote: > On Saturday 22 Dec 2012 01:29:57 Kevin Brandstatter wrote: >> So e17 just came out and ive been using for a bit. The only >> problem ive had with it is that i cant check the option to lock >> the screen on suspend. I don't think this is a problem on some >> of the other distributions so thought it could be a policy >> problem on gentoo. >> >> Curious if anyone else uses e17/has this problem and maybe a fix. >> or just for suggestions of where to look > I can't select it here either, but I suspect that this may be > because I do not use xscreenlock or equivalent. > > Have you tried posting either at the e17 or the > enlightenm...@gentoo.org mailing lists? yes I first posted to the e17-users list. It was working for other people so i thought it might be distro specific, I emerged xscreensaver to see if that would fix it at all but no luck. I had this problem a while ago and i think it had something to do with polkit settings -Kevin >> > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?
On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:24:13 + I wrote: > it's very > few tabs If tabs are the irritation to scroll open mail, try three column view to reduce the likelihood or small screen view which only needs arrows enter and escape.
[gentoo-user] udev downgrade
The thread "Ethernet Machinations" is finished and all ethernet issues are resolved. I'm starting a new thread as to deal with what to do about udev. The same system mentioned in the previous ethernet thread had become upgraded to udev-196-r1 (late one night when I was tired AND NOT THINKING TOO WELL... I have since been on a roller_coaster ride with udev, almost eudev and version dev experimentations as an accident... >From the last thread: I don't know what version of udev you're running (sorry if I missed it,) but the udev-186 elog says: "Upstream has removed the persistent-net and persistent-cd rules generator. If you need persistent names for these devices, place udev rules for them in /etc/udev/rules.d." I just sync and I have only have these versions of udev: Available versions: ~141-r1 ~146-r1^t ~149 ~151-r4 ~164-r2 171-r9 ~195^t ~196-r1^t **999 So unless somebody can give me good reason, I'm downgrading to udev-171 asap on this (only) system running udev 196... (ps, I like to experiment, but not with udev et. al.) I even thinking or running 'emerge -e system' just to ensure nothing is missed? Suggestions are most welcome.
Re: [gentoo-user] E17 lock screen
This is wired, can you post screenshot? There does not seem to be some condition in code. Robert. On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 12:27:41 -0600 Kevin Brandstatter wrote: > i cleared out the configs when i installed the release. Suspend > works, it even locks now, but i still cant change the settings. no > dbus problems that i can see > > -Kevin > > On 01/03/2013 04:26 AM, Robert David wrote: > > Did you try e with new config with e-17 release? Or you had some > > previous configs and was replaced with release. Because there was > > some config upgrade and old configs did not work and some was not > > replaced correctly (mixer gadget). > > > > And suspendig with E works ok? You use pm-suspend? Dont you have > > some dbus problems? As the events are send through dbus I think, > > for me it works even with running pm-suspend from console (E locks > > screen). > > > > Robert. > > > > > > On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 03:51:34 -0600 > > Kevin Brandstatter wrote: > > > >> The problem is the option to lock screen on suspend is greyed out > >> and uncheckable. > >> Did try building with all modules > >> > >> -Kevin > >> > >> On 12/28/2012 04:16 AM, Robert David wrote: > >>> Hi Kevin, > >>> > >>> what exactly you missing on screen lock in E17? I use E17 and > >>> screen lock is ok when suspending. It does not need some > >>> xscreenlock stuff, it is just part of e. Just check > >>> settings->sceen->screen_lock and checkin lock_on_suspend. Thats > >>> all:) > >>> > >>> If you missing something, just make sure you build with all the > >>> modules flags. > >>> > >>> x11-wm/enlightenment-0.17.0 was built with the following: > >>> USE="nls pam spell udev ukit -doc -emotion -static-libs" > >>> ENLIGHTENMENT_MODULES="access backlight battery clock comp > >>> conf-applications conf-dialogs conf-display conf-edgebindings > >>> conf-interaction conf-intl conf-keybindings conf-menus conf-paths > >>> conf-performance conf-randr conf-shelves conf-theme > >>> conf-window-manipulation conf-window-remembers connman cpufreq > >>> dropshadow everything fileman fileman-opinfo gadman ibar ibox > >>> illume2 mixer msgbus notification pager quickaccess shot start > >>> syscon systray tasks temperature tiling winlist wizard xkbswitch" > >>> > >>> > >>> Robert. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:51:26 -0600 > >>> Kevin Brandstatter wrote: > >>> > On 12/27/2012 05:16 PM, Mick wrote: > > On Saturday 22 Dec 2012 01:29:57 Kevin Brandstatter wrote: > >> So e17 just came out and ive been using for a bit. The only > >> problem ive had with it is that i cant check the option to lock > >> the screen on suspend. I don't think this is a problem on some > >> of the other distributions so thought it could be a policy > >> problem on gentoo. > >> > >> Curious if anyone else uses e17/has this problem and maybe a > >> fix. or just for suggestions of where to look > > I can't select it here either, but I suspect that this may be > > because I do not use xscreenlock or equivalent. > > > > Have you tried posting either at the e17 or the > > enlightenm...@gentoo.org mailing lists? > yes I first posted to the e17-users list. It was working for > other people so i thought it might be distro specific, I emerged > xscreensaver to see if that would fix it at all but no luck. I > had this problem a while ago and i think it had something to do > with polkit settings > > -Kevin > > >> > > > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Powering down the USB controller
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Grant wrote: > I'm trying to get a USB sound card to behave in a certain way which > requires it to think the computer has gone to sleep. I'm told the > specific signal the sound card looks for is if the USB controller has > been physically powered down. Should I unload a kernel module to > accomplish this, or do I need to actually put the computer into sleep > mode? I don't think you can turn USB port off, at best you can suspend it, which is not truly 100% powered-down. I think you might be able to power off an entire hub (and never power it back on again until reboot) but I'm not sure if that will be any better than just unplugging the cable. You might be able to build some kind of simple USB on/off switch. :) Check out /sys/bus/usb/devices/[yourdevice]/power/level for current status and you can echo different commands to that same file to attempt to change its status. Check out the power management settings and documentation in the linux kernel for your options.
Re: [gentoo-user] Ram Problem!
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Teodor Spæren wrote: > Hello! > > I am trying to install gentoo on an old armada m700. The specs that I think > is relevant for this problem is the clocking speed of the cpu and the ram. > It got 223mhz of clocking speed and 116mb ram. I have added 512mb of swap > since I knew the ram was going to be a problem. > > The command I issue is: "emerge gentoo-sources" and the output of the > command is this: http://bpaste.net/raw/66293/ > > The only thing I can really read from the error message is that it runs out > of ram. This surprises me because all it is really doing is moving the > kernel sources into place? I asked around in #gentoo on irc.freenode.net and > someone adviced me to turn of "MAKEOPTS="-j2" and "-pipe", but this doesn't > fix it. And in the case of this sources package, I think nothing is being compiled anyway. It simply unpacks, patches and copies the files to /usr/src/x so I don't think either of those options ever come into play. You can manually emerge using the "ebuild" command, would be interesting to see if it makes any difference. Could be some RAM usage by emerge is just too much for your system. You may need to use ulimit to keep python from using too much RAM when you run emerge. Do you have any daemons running in the background? Could you disable any to free up more RAM as a test? I think you will need even more than 512mb swap to be honest, I have a server with 256mb of RAM and have to use 1gb of swap or else I get out of memory conditions on occasion. I think you want 1gb or more if it is possible. In this case because it's out of memory while copying files, I wonder if some of sysctl vm.* options will have influence. Kernel sources have thousands of files and maybe I/O is not fast enough. I use nice and ionice to make emerge running at the lowest priority (meaning the least important) > The possible work around I have thought of is just getting the vanilla > kernel from kernel.org, but the gentoo wiki advise against it, since > gentoo-sources is a patched kernel. You can use vanilla, no problems. Please review the genpatches patch set and determine if you use/need any of the Gentoo patches: https://dev.gentoo.org/~mpagano/genpatches/ You can also manually apply this patchset to vanilla if you like, of course. Good luck and welcome to the list! :)
[gentoo-user] Re: udev downgrade
James tampabay.rr.com> writes: > So unless somebody can give me good reason, I'm downgrading to > udev-171 asap on this (only) system running udev 196... > (ps, I like to experiment, but not with udev et. al.) Long night, when you have to answer your own posts. Now I get: emerge -p1u udev These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild UD ] sys-fs/udev-171-r9 [196-r1] USE="rule_generator%* -action_modeswitch% -build% -debug% -edd% (-extras) -floppy% {-test%}" [blocks B ] =sys-fs/udev-196-r1[gudev?,hwdb?,introspection?,keymap?,selinux?,static-libs?] required by (virtual/udev-196::gentoo, installed) (sys-fs/udev-171-r9::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot) ideas? James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev downgrade
On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 02:54:31AM +, James wrote: > James tampabay.rr.com> writes: > > > > So unless somebody can give me good reason, I'm downgrading to > > udev-171 asap on this (only) system running udev 196... > > (ps, I like to experiment, but not with udev et. al.) > > Long night, when you have to answer your own posts. > > Now I get: > > > emerge -p1u udev > > These are the packages that would be merged, in order: > > Calculating dependencies... done! > [ebuild UD ] sys-fs/udev-171-r9 [196-r1] USE="rule_generator%* > -action_modeswitch% -build% -debug% -edd% (-extras) -floppy% {-test%}" > [blocks B ] sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-17-r1) > > !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been pulled > !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict: > > sys-fs/udev:0 > > (sys-fs/udev-196-r1::gentoo, installed) pulled in by > > >=sys-fs/udev-196-r1[gudev?,hwdb?,introspection?,keymap?,selinux?,static-libs?] > required by (virtual/udev-196::gentoo, installed) > > (sys-fs/udev-171-r9::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by > (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot) > > > ideas? > > > James Too late, too tired, but do you have: >=sys-fs/udev-181 in /etc/portage/package.mask ? -- Happy Penguin Computers >') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?
On 01/03/2013 12:09 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: > Does anyone recommend a mail client that doesn't rely too heavily on the > mouse? I much prefer to navigate, reply etc with the keyboard. I've > seen Evolution recommended; is that OK? Thunderbird is my favorite mail client. You can do a lot with the KB. For example, go to next read mail is just 'n' for next. CTRL-R for reply. It's not bad to learn the shortcuts. Plus it has a lot of great features and extensions. For CLI clients, I sometimes use Mutt. It's a little bit of a pain to configure for IMAP, but once you get it going it's pretty cool. -- R
Re: [gentoo-user] Powering down the USB controller
>> I'm trying to get a USB sound card to behave in a certain way which >> requires it to think the computer has gone to sleep. I'm told the >> specific signal the sound card looks for is if the USB controller has >> been physically powered down. Should I unload a kernel module to >> accomplish this, or do I need to actually put the computer into sleep >> mode? > > I don't think you can turn USB port off, at best you can suspend it, > which is not truly 100% powered-down. I think you might be able to > power off an entire hub (and never power it back on again until > reboot) but I'm not sure if that will be any better than just > unplugging the cable. You might be able to build some kind of simple > USB on/off switch. :) > > Check out /sys/bus/usb/devices/[yourdevice]/power/level for current > status and you can echo different commands to that same file to > attempt to change its status. Check out the power management settings > and documentation in the linux kernel for your options. Will do, thanks Paul. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?
On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:09:27 +0100 "Peter Humphrey" wrote: > > On 3/1/2013, "Alan McKinnon" wrote: > >On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:43 + > >Peter Humphrey wrote: > >> When kmail was upgraded to 4.9.3 last month it made a complete hash > >> of my e- mail system. In the end I moved my user out of the way and > >> created a new user. Importing the e-mails from a backup of the old > >> version omitted large numbers of e-mails, including a lot of > >> complete folders. I also noticed that kmail had not created a > >> trash folder. > > > >So the kdepim devs STILL haven't fixed that one? Oh dear. > > --->8 > > Thanks for your thoughts Alan. I didn't like Claws much last time I > tried it, but then that was some time ago. Claws does take some getting used to. Most routine functions can be keyboard-driven (read and fetch mail, go to next folder etc). I do find the dialogs to set up filters are "verbose" and not what I'm used to with gui apps - they work, there's is no oddities to what the filters will do, but the way to get there has never felt exactly right. > Does anyone recommend a mail client that doesn't rely too heavily on > the mouse? I much prefer to navigate, reply etc with the keyboard. > I've seen Evolution recommended; is that OK? Mutt, pine and friends? Great for reading mailing lists, especially those that frown on html mail. And there's always gmail if you are happy for Google to read what you read. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2?
On 04/01/13 01:09, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On 3/1/2013, "Alan McKinnon" wrote: >> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:43 + >> Peter Humphrey wrote: >>> When kmail was upgraded to 4.9.3 last month it made a complete hash >>> of my e- mail system. In the end I moved my user out of the way and >>> created a new user. Importing the e-mails from a backup of the old >>> version omitted large numbers of e-mails, including a lot of complete >>> folders. I also noticed that kmail had not created a trash folder. >> >> So the kdepim devs STILL haven't fixed that one? Oh dear. > > --->8 > > Thanks for your thoughts Alan. I didn't like Claws much last time I > tried it, but then that was some time ago. > > Does anyone recommend a mail client that doesn't rely too heavily on the > mouse? I much prefer to navigate, reply etc with the keyboard. I've > seen Evolution recommended; is that OK? > > Meanwhile I'm having to use my ISP;s webmail service. > I used evolution for years (since something like 0.4!) until about a month ago when I gave up and moved to thunderbird. I have a mixture of local (courier imap), exchange and other imap accounts. Evolution has some weird bugs and in general doesn't work when accessing some imap backends alongside other clients to the same account (emails may be deleted on my desktop, but get undeleted on next access from the laptop is one), as well as issues with its calendaring. Its frustrating, and been getting worse. As well, I am now in active gnome squashing mode since Ive decided to not buy into the whole udev/systemd/gnome3 mess in the future so it became an easy choice that evolution had to go :) Thunderbird in comparison has been much nicer. Two problems I have though are it seems to fragment memory (on a 32bit system) causing suspend to fail on one system, and while its quite happily remembering my email passwords, it refuses to do so for the calendar passwords when connecting to a radicale backend (well it remembers them, but pops up a cancel/ok dialog for confirmation on every calendar on first starting thunderbird - maybe due to a prematurely squashed gnome whose function needs restoring? BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev downgrade
On 1/3/2013 20:54, James wrote: James tampabay.rr.com> writes: So unless somebody can give me good reason, I'm downgrading to udev-171 asap on this (only) system running udev 196... (ps, I like to experiment, but not with udev et. al.) Long night, when you have to answer your own posts. Now I get: emerge -p1u udev These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild UD ] sys-fs/udev-171-r9 [196-r1] USE="rule_generator%* -action_modeswitch% -build% -debug% -edd% (-extras) -floppy% {-test%}" [blocks B ] =sys-fs/udev-196-r1[gudev?,hwdb?,introspection?,keymap?,selinux?,static-libs?] required by (virtual/udev-196::gentoo, installed) (sys-fs/udev-171-r9::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot) ideas? James The problem is you are trying to downgrade sys-fs/udev but not virtual/udev. If you want to force using udev-171, you need to mask both the real and virtual atoms. Try this in /etc/portage/package.mask/udev: >=sys-fs/udev-181 >=virtual/udev-181 Then emerge -avuD1 udev and see if that fixes it. -- ♫Dustin