[gentoo-user] mplayer id3v2

[Andrey Moshbear]

Is there a patch for mplayer (1.0-rc4) that adds id3v2 support?
Googling the mailinglist archives, it was said that the previous
implementation had vulns and was hence scrapped, but it sucks not
having it.

There are unofficial forks of mplayer which have id3v2, but there's no
ebuild, in layman or otherwise, wherein mplayer has id3v2, via patch
or in tarball.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 12 May 2011 09:38:15 -0500, Dale wrote:

> Which supports my point.  Maintain KDE3 until KDE4 is stable and 
> usable.  If it is still working, which I think it is tho some fixes
> have had to be made, then why couldn't KDE support KDE3 just a little
> while longer.

Because it would be more than a little while longer. Every day spent
maintaining KDE3 is a day lost to KDE4, the priority was to get KDE4
stable and usable, KDE3 was fine as it was.

The other answers is "they didn't want to". KDE developers are either
volunteers, doing what they want because they can, and what they want is
working on neat stuff for the next release, not old code that is close to
EOL. Or they are employed by the likes of distro makers, who also want
the latest stuff for their products.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] mirrorselect on new install

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:41:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

> I tried to find an answer via http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/
> but it seems to lack a search function/box. :-(

Use Google, search for "search string site:archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user"


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:44:21 -0500, Dale wrote:

> Your questions don't disprove what me and others have posted.  As I
> have said on the KDE mailing list, KDE made a serious mistake dropping
> KDE3 before KDE4 was ready.

How exactly did they "drop" it? It's still available from
ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.5.10 even now and some distros still
have packages for it. It never went away, you can still use it if you
wish.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 12 May 2011 10:51:32 -0400, Indi wrote:

> > If it's as good as everyone says, what more support did it need? Did
> > the KDE guys come knocking on your door to remove it, or do it
> > remotely (Android anyone?), or did it just keep working?

> That argument is probably valid when limiting the scope of the
> discussion to gentoo, but the only use I ever had for kde3 was 
> for non-techie users who wouldn't know whether to poop or go 
> blind if they click on something and nothing happens

So install a distro that still supports KDE3 if that's what you want or
need. KDE 3.5.10 is still there, it hasn't been withdrawn from the
shelves. You're hardly likely to use Gentoo for such users, so lack of
core support for 3.5 in Gentoo is not an issue either.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[Indi]

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 10:50:03AM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2011 10:51:32 -0400, Indi wrote:
> 
> > > If it's as good as everyone says, what more support did it need? Did
> > > the KDE guys come knocking on your door to remove it, or do it
> > > remotely (Android anyone?), or did it just keep working?
> 
> > That argument is probably valid when limiting the scope of the
> > discussion to gentoo, but the only use I ever had for kde3 was 
> > for non-techie users who wouldn't know whether to poop or go 
> > blind if they click on something and nothing happens
> 
> So install a distro that still supports KDE3 if that's what you want or
> need. KDE 3.5.10 is still there, it hasn't been withdrawn from the
> shelves. You're hardly likely to use Gentoo for such users, so lack of
> core support for 3.5 in Gentoo is not an issue either.
> 

I was just sharing my opinion, which was informed by my 
experience. I'm surprised by the vehemence and persistence 
of (apparently) political rhetoric in response to that.
Obviously the solutions look really simple and matter-of-fact 
a year and a half later. The options were rather different 
while it was actually going on, and all one has to do is STFW 
to see that many people went through much distress over it.

Frankly, I am not a fan of the "shoot the messenger" approach
to dealing with bad news, especially as I really don't feel 
I've said anything but the truth of my own experience. OK I'm 
opinionated, but that opinion is backed by experience - that 
makes it "anecdotal experience", something big corporations spend big
money to compile so they can tune and shape their ideas. The message 
I'm getting is kde guys do not want any anecdotal experience unless 
it is glowing praise or perhaps minor suggestions, so I will not speak
on it anymore. 

Employing all that sort of rhetoric has the effect of making 
discussion uncomfortable and restrictive, which I suppose is 
the idea. Personally, I do not wish to say any more on the matter, 
except to note that the sort of response I've encountered does 
not inspire hope for the future of kde. :(

And with that, I am "out" on this subject, so if someone now 
needs to shame me and put me in my place again that's fine, 
and I will not respond so you'll have the last word. Just 
know that I do not subscribe to all that shame-based grandstanding 
silliness, so it's pretty much wasted on me. 

No hard feelings, I understand we all have our burdens in life. 
:)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[Dale]

Indi wrote:

I was just sharing my opinion, which was informed by my
experience. I'm surprised by the vehemence and persistence
of (apparently) political rhetoric in response to that.
Obviously the solutions look really simple and matter-of-fact
a year and a half later. The options were rather different
while it was actually going on, and all one has to do is STFW
to see that many people went through much distress over it.

Frankly, I am not a fan of the "shoot the messenger" approach
to dealing with bad news, especially as I really don't feel
I've said anything but the truth of my own experience. OK I'm
opinionated, but that opinion is backed by experience - that
makes it "anecdotal experience", something big corporations spend big
money to compile so they can tune and shape their ideas. The message
I'm getting is kde guys do not want any anecdotal experience unless
it is glowing praise or perhaps minor suggestions, so I will not speak
on it anymore.

Employing all that sort of rhetoric has the effect of making
discussion uncomfortable and restrictive, which I suppose is
the idea. Personally, I do not wish to say any more on the matter,
except to note that the sort of response I've encountered does
not inspire hope for the future of kde. :(

And with that, I am "out" on this subject, so if someone now
needs to shame me and put me in my place again that's fine,
and I will not respond so you'll have the last word. Just
know that I do not subscribe to all that shame-based grandstanding
silliness, so it's pretty much wasted on me.

No hard feelings, I understand we all have our burdens in life.
:)

   


+1

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[Stroller]

On 12/5/2011, at 11:57pm, Dale wrote:

> Stroller wrote:
>> On 12/5/2011, at 6:20pm, Dale wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> Stroller wrote:
>>> 
 `date +"%l:%M%P"`
   
>>> Here's mine:
>>> 
>>> root@fireball / # date +"%l:%M%P"
>>> 12:19pm
>>> root@fireball / #
>>> 
>> And what are your locale settings?
>> 
>> Stroller.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   
> root@fireball / # locale
> LANG=en_US.UTF8
> LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF8"
> LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF8"
> LC_TIME="en_US.UTF8"
> LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF8"
> LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF8"
> LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF8"
> LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF8"
> LC_NAME="en_US.UTF8"
> LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF8"
> LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF8"
> LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF8"
> LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF8"
> LC_ALL=en_US.UTF8
> root@fireball / # locale -a
> C
> en_US
> en_US.iso88591
> en_US.utf8
> POSIX
> root@fireball / #
> 
> That what you was needing?


I'm more interested in what you put into /etc/env.d/02locale (or the equivalent 
for baselayout2).

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?

[Joost Roeleveld]

On Thursday 12 May 2011 21:54:14 Indi wrote:
> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 03:40:01AM +0200, 刘勇泰 wrote:
> >2011/5/12 Thanasis <[1]thana...@asyr.hopto.org>
> >
> >  on 05/12/2011 03:43 PM Indi wrote the following:
> >> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 02:40:02PM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
> >>> On Thursday 12 May 2011 17:12:30 dong l wrote:
> >>>> 个人经历，baselayout的更新其实都不怎么suffer,呵呵～
> >>> 
> >>> huh?
> >> 
> >> It surely does look cool though, wish I could read and write
> >> in such
> >> a picturesque manner. :)
> >> 
> >  The wonders of UTF8 ... the topic of another thread  :)
> >
> >Can Chinese character be displayed correctly when there is no zh*
> >setting in LINGUAS variant?
> 
> You'd be more qualified to answer that than I, but I
> think so. Everything appears to work for me after
> defining en_US.UTF-8 and switching the fonts to Deja
> Vu Sans Mono, but as I am illiterate in Asian languages
> that may be assuming a lot.
> 
> :)

I don't have any zh* variants in LINGUAS and the characters are displayed 
correctly. At least, they do appear as chinese characters.
Unfortunately, I can't read chinese.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[Dale]

Stroller wrote:

On 12/5/2011, at 11:57pm, Dale wrote:

   

root@fireball / # locale
LANG=en_US.UTF8
LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF8"
LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF8"
LC_TIME="en_US.UTF8"
LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF8"
LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF8"
LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF8"
LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF8"
LC_NAME="en_US.UTF8"
LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF8"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF8"
LC_ALL=en_US.UTF8
root@fireball / # locale -a
C
en_US
en_US.iso88591
en_US.utf8
POSIX
root@fireball / #

That what you was needing?
 


I'm more interested in what you put into /etc/env.d/02locale (or the equivalent 
for baselayout2).

Stroller.

   


Here you go:

root@fireball / # cat /etc/env.d/02locale
LANG="en_US.UTF8"
LC_ALL="en_US.UTF8"
root@fireball / #

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[BRM]

- Original Message 

> From: Neil Bothwick 
> On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:44:21 -0500, Dale wrote:
> > Your questions don't  disprove what me and others have posted.  As I
> > have said on the KDE  mailing list, KDE made a serious mistake dropping
> > KDE3 before KDE4 was  ready.
> How exactly did they "drop" it? It's still available from
> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.5.10 even now and some  distros still
> have packages for it. It never went away, you can still use it  if you
> wish.
> 

Ok, so personally I very much like KDE4 - been using it since 4.3 was 
stabilized 
on Gentoo and love it.
That said...

KDE did seem to drop the ball a bit with their management of the transition 
from 
KDE3 to KDE4.

To start with, look at the reason why Gentoo dropped KDE3 from Portage - KDE 
stopped maintaining it and the builds started breaking as underlying library 
dependencies changed.
So, sure you may be able to pull a binary build from KDE and use it; or (more 
likely) you'll spend hours and hours getting everything setup right - with all 
the correct versions of the dependencies, etc - to get it up and running.

In other words, when KDE decided to move on to KDE4 full time they left the 
release as it was and it has since gotten harder to use by those that want to 
use it.
Okay - that's not entirely KDE's problem; though it would have helped a long 
way 
with the KDE4 transition if they kept a few people working on those issues.

The big issue is that in moving to sole development of KDE4, distros started to 
drop KDE3 and replace it with KDE4. For example, Kubuntu 8.04 TLS dropped KDE3 
and used KDE4 long before KDE4 was really user worthy - long before KDE was 
calling it user worthy. But KDEs actions of moving sole development to KDE4 
prompted most distributions to do likewise. As a result, KDE got a lot of flack 
for KDE4 not being ready for users b/c it wasn't - which KDE readily recognized 
and admitted.

Had they kept a small team working on at least the build issues until KDE4 
reached 4.3 then the transition would have likely gone a lot smoother. The 
userbase for KDE4 would have been smaller, so it may have taken a little longer 
to get some of the user feedback; but it would have greatly helped with aiding 
distributions and users making the transition instead of feeling like they were 
dumped from KDE 3.5.10 into KDE 4.0.1.

> 
> So install a distro that still supports KDE3 if that's what you  want or
> need. KDE 3.5.10 is still there, it hasn't been withdrawn from  the
> shelves. You're hardly likely to use Gentoo for such users, so lack  of
> core support for 3.5 in Gentoo is not an issue either.
> 

While I am not personally interested in it, please name one.

Gentoo doesn't support KDE3 any more. You have to go to Trinity to get the 
newer, forked KDE3 series. Last I heard they were equivalent to a 3.5.12 or so; 
but I haven't seen anything on the Desktop list for a while about Trinity.

Needless to say, you may be very hard pressed to find a modern, up-to-date 
distribution that offers KDE3 support.

Ben

Re: [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[Peter Humphrey]

On Friday 13 May 2011 03:30:27 Manuel McLure wrote:
> Just ran into a gotcha with my main server upgrade to
> openrc/baselayout2 - it appears that the old ifconfig network syntax
> no longer works. I kept getting the message:
> 
> Error: either "local" is duplicate, or "netmask" is garbage
> 
> until I changed the syntax from
> 
> config_eth0="XX.YY.ZZ.WW broadcast XX.YY.ZZ.255 netmask 255.255.255.0"
> 
> to
> 
> config_eth0="XX.YY.ZZ.WW/24"
> 
> The other syntax worked in baselayout1.

It still works here with baselayout 2.0.2:

config_eth0="192.168.2.6 netmask 255.255.255.0 brd 192.168.2.255"
routes_eth0="default via 192.168.2.1"
dns_servers_eth0="192.168.2.2"

No network error messages. Sounds like your error is elsewhere.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] mplayer id3v2

[Paul Hartman]

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Andrey Moshbear  wrote:
> Is there a patch for mplayer (1.0-rc4) that adds id3v2 support?
> Googling the mailinglist archives, it was said that the previous
> implementation had vulns and was hence scrapped, but it sucks not
> having it.

libavformat, which mplayer contains, can already support it. If you
add "-demuxer lavf" to your mplayer commandline (or set it in your
config), you should see the ID3v2 tag.

Re: [gentoo-user] Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?

[Blackdream W]

haha,I'm so happy to see Chinese in Gentoo's mailing lists,cause I'm a
Chinese,too.

兄弟冒出一句中文，颇觉亲切，虽然不知道对他们而言是否不礼貌？

Linux forever!

Send from Blackdream's mobile
On May 13, 2011 10:03 PM, "Joost Roeleveld"  wrote:
> On Thursday 12 May 2011 21:54:14 Indi wrote:
>> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 03:40:01AM +0200, 刘勇泰 wrote:
>> > 2011/5/12 Thanasis <[1]thana...@asyr.hopto.org>
>> >
>> > on 05/12/2011 03:43 PM Indi wrote the following:
>> > > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 02:40:02PM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
>> > >> On Thursday 12 May 2011 17:12:30 dong l wrote:
>> > >>> 个人经历，baselayout的更新其实都不怎么suffer,呵呵～
>> > >>
>> > >> huh?
>> > >
>> > > It surely does look cool though, wish I could read and write
>> > > in such
>> > > a picturesque manner. :)
>> > >
>> > The wonders of UTF8 ... the topic of another thread  :)
>> >
>> > Can Chinese character be displayed correctly when there is no zh*
>> > setting in LINGUAS variant?
>>
>> You'd be more qualified to answer that than I, but I
>> think so. Everything appears to work for me after
>> defining en_US.UTF-8 and switching the fonts to Deja
>> Vu Sans Mono, but as I am illiterate in Asian languages
>> that may be assuming a lot.
>>
>> :)
>
> I don't have any zh* variants in LINGUAS and the characters are displayed
> correctly. At least, they do appear as chinese characters.
> Unfortunately, I can't read chinese.
>
> --
> Joost
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?

[dong l]

Glad to see so many people talking about Chinese characters here.I
wrote those words just because I see the thread starter's name written
in Chinese.Thanks to UTF-8 & maybe some i18n fonts in your
computer,these characters can be displayed correctly.
Ahh,it's interesting that ancestors devloped such two different kinds
of language.I do think it's quite different from the "differences"
between python&perl...

恩，语言反正是用来交流的咯，估计老外看看还感觉挺新奇的~~

Re: [gentoo-user] Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?

[Joost Roeleveld]

On Friday 13 May 2011 23:33:16 Blackdream W wrote:
> 兄弟冒出一句中文，颇觉亲切，虽然不知道对他们而言是否不礼貌？

Google translates it to:
"Brothers emerge a word of Chinese, feels warm, although do not know whether 
rude to them?"

And yes, I do consider it rude to use a language not everyone on a list 
understands. English is more commonly used on this list and I believe the vast 
majority understands it. (For the most part :) )

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] Virtual Packages

[dong l]

I think it is a bit like IoC in OOP programing.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inversion_of_control

Re: [gentoo-user] Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?

[Blackdream W]

Funny translation & sorry guys & Goodnight lists.^_^

Send from Blackdream's mobile
On May 13, 2011 11:49 PM, "Joost Roeleveld"  wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[William Hubbs]

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 04:21:41PM +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Friday 13 May 2011 03:30:27 Manuel McLure wrote:
> > Just ran into a gotcha with my main server upgrade to
> > openrc/baselayout2 - it appears that the old ifconfig network syntax
> > no longer works. I kept getting the message:
> > 
> > Error: either "local" is duplicate, or "netmask" is garbage
> > 
> > until I changed the syntax from
> > 
> > config_eth0="XX.YY.ZZ.WW broadcast XX.YY.ZZ.255 netmask 255.255.255.0"
> > 
> > to
> > 
> > config_eth0="XX.YY.ZZ.WW/24"
> > 
> > The other syntax worked in baselayout1.

That error message comes from iproute2, so it looks like you hit this
bug:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366905

In a nutshell we are trying to convert ifconfig syntax to iproute2
syntax, but we do not do it correctly in this case.

The consensus on the dev list seems to be that it is fine to stop doing
that, so at some point in the future, probably a release coming up soon,
the syntax of config_* lines will have to match the tool you are using
to configure the interfaces.

William



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Re: [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[Daniel da Veiga]

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 18:55, Dale  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have
> done theirs?  Is it pretty simple and "just works" or are there issues?  I'm
> mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have.  Just a simple
> works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice.  List issues if you had any.
>

For me it was a breeze.

I have two machines running testing for some time and a server that was an
year behind in updates. I decided to update it now. The easy part was the
OpenRC migration. The hard was mysql (was still 4.1), php, apache (gave up
and installed lighttpd instead) and (oh yeah) kernel.

-- 
Daniel da Veiga

Re: [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[Manuel McLure]

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:31 AM, William Hubbs  wrote:
> That error message comes from iproute2, so it looks like you hit this
> bug:
>
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366905
>
> In a nutshell we are trying to convert ifconfig syntax to iproute2
> syntax, but we do not do it correctly in this case.
>
> The consensus on the dev list seems to be that it is fine to stop doing
> that, so at some point in the future, probably a release coming up soon,
> the syntax of config_* lines will have to match the tool you are using
> to configure the interfaces.

That looks like it. I fixed it by going to /NN notation, but it should
probably be documented in the conversion guide. I was lucky that I
didn't decide to do the upgrade remotely and had a console to work
with because neither network interface came up due to that error.
-- 
Manuel A. McLure WW1FA  
...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law,
no man may kill a cat.                       -- H.P. Lovecraft

Re: [gentoo-user] Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?

[Joost Roeleveld]

On Friday 13 May 2011 23:45:52 dong l wrote:
> Glad to see so many people talking about Chinese characters here.I
> wrote those words just because I see the thread starter's name written
> in Chinese.Thanks to UTF-8 & maybe some i18n fonts in your
> computer,these characters can be displayed correctly.
> Ahh,it's interesting that ancestors devloped such two different kinds
> of language.I do think it's quite different from the "differences"
> between python&perl...
> 
> 恩，语言反正是用来交流的咯，估计老外看看还感觉挺新奇的~~

Google translate:
"Well, anyway, is used to communicate the language slightly, it is estimated 
foreigners also feel quite strange to see the ~ ~"

Ok, this one reads weird, but I think I get the gist of it...

Without the last 2 "~" characters, it's suddenly: "Well, anyway, is used to 
communicate the language slightly, it is estimated foreigners see it, I feel 
quite novel"

I'd love to know what the real translation should be :)

I'm glad they do display correctly, as there are more languages and different 
alphabets then just english with latin alphabet.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?

[Joost Roeleveld]

On Saturday 14 May 2011 00:04:25 Blackdream W wrote:
> Funny translation & sorry guys & Goodnight lists.^_^
> 
> Send from Blackdream's mobile
> On May 13, 2011 11:49 PM, "Joost Roeleveld"  wrote:

Going back to my last email, I didn't mean it nastily, I just prefer to use a 
language that the vast majority understands to make sure everyone can add 
their input...

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[Walter Dnes]

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:56:27PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote
> On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:40:02 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> 
> > > KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the
> > > curve.  
> > 
> >   Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they had the
> > guts to admit that it was a bad idea, and reverse it.
> > 
> >   IBM walked away from their market leading AT.  Rather than put a 386
> > cpu on the motherboard, they went with the PS/2 design, which bombed.
> > 
> >   Micropro *OWNED* word-processing with a DOS-port of their cpm-based
> > Wordstar product.  People were begging and pleading with them to patch
> > it to recognize subdirectories.  Instead, Micropro dropped Wordstar, and
> > came up with a "user friendly" menu-driven abortion called Wordstar
> > 2000.  That was the end.
> > 
> >   Do you see a pattern here?

> The pattern I see is that of selecting only changes that failed and
> implying they are the norm.
> 
> Why not add other improvements that were so bad, like the switch from
> floppy disks to hard disks, or CDs to DVDs? Companies try to predict
> where the market should go so they can lead. No one gets it right all
> the time, the ones that survive are those that get it right often enough.
> The ones that are most likely to fail are those that never try to
> innovate in case someone doesn't like it.

  Floppy disks were being sold long after hard disks were invented.
Ditto for CDs after DVDs came out.  If Coca Cola had brought out "New
Coke" *IN ADDITION TO" "Coke Classic", it wouldn't have been a problem.
"New Coke" would've died more quickly, and Coca Cola wouldn't have seen
so much backlash.  Corporations (IBM's biggest customers) were begging
and pleading for ATs with a 386 CPU, not proprietary PS/2s.  IBM ceased
to manufacture ATs, and said PS/2s or nothing.  IBM is no longer a force
in the corporate desktop market.  If Micropro had added directory
support to Wordstar 3.3, it would've been around a lot longer, and
Wordstar 2000 wouldn't have been the death blow it was.

  Hard drives and DVDs competed against their predecessors and won.
They were obviously superior.  But if your new and allegedly "improved"
product can't stand on its own 2 feet and compete against older
generation products, and you have to shut down or drop support for the
older products for the new one to survive, then it's obvious that the
"new and improved" product is a piece of crap.

-- 
Walter Dnes 

[gentoo-user] Turning off WebGL support

[Walter Dnes]

  Is WebGL an OS feature or a browser feature?  I.e. can I block it in
Gentoo itself, or is it a browser setting only?  The article and FAQ at
http://www.contextis.com/resources/blog/webgl/ and
http://www.contextis.com/resources/blog/webgl/faq/ are worrisome.  I'm
not a gamer, so I don't really need 3D shader support.

-- 
Walter Dnes 

Re: [gentoo-user] Turning off WebGL support

[Bill Longman]

On 05/13/2011 11:05 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
>   Is WebGL an OS feature or a browser feature?  I.e. can I block it in

Is it a dessert topping or a floor wax?


Certainly 'tis the latter. (Browser feature, that is. Not floor wax).

Re: [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[BRM]

>
>From: Daniel da Veiga 
>On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 18:55, Dale  wrote:
>>I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have 
>>done 
>>
>>theirs?  Is it pretty simple and "just works" or are there issues?  I'm 
>>mostly 

>>interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have.  Just a simple works 
>>here 
>>
>>and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice.  List issues if you had any.
>For me it was a breeze.
>I have two machines running testing for some time and a server that was an 
>year 

>behind in updates. I decided to update it now. The easy part was the OpenRC 
>migration. The hard was mysql (was still 4.1), php, apache (gave up and 
>installed lighttpd instead) and (oh yeah) kernel.
>

I just finished update my server. OpenRC updated without any problems.
My laptop had to have its compiler updated before I could could do the sync and 
update - guess I didn't finish the previous update and KDE wanted GCC 4.4 
instead of 4.3.
I should be able to get it going tonight hopefully...

My desktop is a few months behind - still gotta get it fixed from a previous 
failed update.
But won't have the time for at least another month. I may end up just 
rebuilding 
it if the updates are too troublesome - it may prove faster.

Ben

Re: [gentoo-user] Pre OpenRC update question...

[James Wall]

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Andrew Lowe  wrote:
> On 13/05/2011 5:00 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>
>> Probably a dumb one, but...
>>
>> I have /home, /usr and /var on separate partitions...
>>
>> If I want to image my system prior to the update 'just in case'
>> something goes south, am I correct that all I need to worry about is /,
>> since /etc is located there?
>>
>> In other words, is anything on /usr or /var touched during this update?
>>
>>
>        If you want to be reeaallyyy safe, and want an image and not a
> backup, grab the latest copy of SystemRescueCd, a couple of TB of usb
> external drive space, which is very cheap these days, and use partImage to
> grab a true image of your whole system. I started doing this recently and
> it's saved me once so far. Things "flew apart big time" for me recently, a
> disk failure, I rebooted into the rescue cd and hey presto, 30 minutes
> later, everything was good.
>
>        Andrew
>
>
Another tool which will work well is dd.
as an example to back up my laptop before experimenting with new
distros, I do dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/backup/jalopy.img bs=2M to back
up the drive for a bare metal restore of the 40 GB hard drive.

James Wall

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[Mick]

On Friday 13 May 2011 14:26:27 Dale wrote:
> Stroller wrote:
> > On 12/5/2011, at 11:57pm, Dale wrote:
> >> root@fireball / # locale
> >> LANG=en_US.UTF8
> >> LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF8"
> >> LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF8"
> >> LC_TIME="en_US.UTF8"
> >> LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF8"
> >> LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF8"
> >> LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF8"
> >> LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF8"
> >> LC_NAME="en_US.UTF8"
> >> LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF8"
> >> LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF8"
> >> LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF8"
> >> LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF8"
> >> LC_ALL=en_US.UTF8
> >> root@fireball / # locale -a
> >> C
> >> en_US
> >> en_US.iso88591
> >> en_US.utf8
> >> POSIX
> >> root@fireball / #
> >> 
> >> That what you was needing?
> > 
> > I'm more interested in what you put into /etc/env.d/02locale (or the
> > equivalent for baselayout2).
> > 
> > Stroller.
> 
> Here you go:
> 
> root@fireball / # cat /etc/env.d/02locale
> LANG="en_US.UTF8"
> LC_ALL="en_US.UTF8"
> root@fireball / #
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)

Here's mine if you want to compare with my previously sent output:

$ cat /etc/env.d/02locale 
LANG="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_CTYPE="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="C"
LC_MONETARY="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_GB.UTF-8"
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[Mick]

On Thursday 12 May 2011 22:48:04 Stroller wrote:
> On 12/5/2011, at 8:41pm, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Thursday 12 May 2011 18:06:27 Stroller wrote:
> >> Could you possibly post the output of `date +"%l:%M%P"`?
> >> 
> >> In doing so you'd be doing me a favour.
> > 
> > $ date +"%l:%M%P"
> > 8:39
> > 
> > That's the wall-clock time (p.m.) in my local time-zone. What Americans
> > call daylight savings time, though how they imagine any time is saved I
> > don't know.
> 
> From `man date`:
> 
>%l hour ( 1..12)
> 
> ...
>%M minute (00..59)
> ...
> 
>%p locale's equivalent of either AM or PM; blank if not known
> 
>%P like %p, but lower case
> 
> I'd be curious to compare with the output of `date +"%r"` on your system,
> but you probably actually want to set:
> 
>   LANG="en_GB.UTF-8"
>   LC_TIME="POSIX"
> 
> in order to get the correct results.

Hmm ... I've just set my locale as you suggest and get:

$ date +"%l:%M%P"
 8:29

(it's 20:29 right now)

and 

$ date +"%r"
08:31:28

Shouldn't the former say pm at the end?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[Mick]

On Friday 13 May 2011 18:57:47 Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:56:27PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote
> 
> > On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:40:02 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > > > KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the
> > > > curve.
> > > > 
> > >   Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they had the
> > > 
> > > guts to admit that it was a bad idea, and reverse it.
> > > 
> > >   IBM walked away from their market leading AT.  Rather than put a 386
> > > 
> > > cpu on the motherboard, they went with the PS/2 design, which bombed.
> > > 
> > >   Micropro *OWNED* word-processing with a DOS-port of their cpm-based
> > > 
> > > Wordstar product.  People were begging and pleading with them to patch
> > > it to recognize subdirectories.  Instead, Micropro dropped Wordstar,
> > > and came up with a "user friendly" menu-driven abortion called
> > > Wordstar 2000.  That was the end.
> > > 
> > >   Do you see a pattern here?
> > 
> > The pattern I see is that of selecting only changes that failed and
> > implying they are the norm.
> > 
> > Why not add other improvements that were so bad, like the switch from
> > floppy disks to hard disks, or CDs to DVDs? Companies try to predict
> > where the market should go so they can lead. No one gets it right all
> > the time, the ones that survive are those that get it right often enough.
> > The ones that are most likely to fail are those that never try to
> > innovate in case someone doesn't like it.
> 
>   Floppy disks were being sold long after hard disks were invented.
> Ditto for CDs after DVDs came out.  If Coca Cola had brought out "New
> Coke" *IN ADDITION TO" "Coke Classic", it wouldn't have been a problem.
> "New Coke" would've died more quickly, and Coca Cola wouldn't have seen
> so much backlash.  Corporations (IBM's biggest customers) were begging
> and pleading for ATs with a 386 CPU, not proprietary PS/2s.  IBM ceased
> to manufacture ATs, and said PS/2s or nothing.  IBM is no longer a force
> in the corporate desktop market.  If Micropro had added directory
> support to Wordstar 3.3, it would've been around a lot longer, and
> Wordstar 2000 wouldn't have been the death blow it was.
> 
>   Hard drives and DVDs competed against their predecessors and won.
> They were obviously superior.  But if your new and allegedly "improved"
> product can't stand on its own 2 feet and compete against older
> generation products, and you have to shut down or drop support for the
> older products for the new one to survive, then it's obvious that the
> "new and improved" product is a piece of crap.

You are confusing matters.

The launch of "new & improved" product is often a matter of designed 
obsolescence of the old product for the purpose of generating additional 
sales.  In a (pseudo)competitive capitalistic model this is what most consumer 
goods have been doing, canibalising their own previous generation of products.

In a FOSS model this argument does not stand or make much sense.  I think that 
the KDE devs made a strategic design decision and took KDE4 in a different 
direction than KDE3.  Some of us we happier with the KDE3 ... a selection of 
apps, rather that a heavy duty integrated DE with semantic searches and what 
not.

What is common between your examples and KDE is (perhaps?) the lack of 
adequate market research and testing.

What-ever, life moves on of course and the wrinkles on KDE4 are being ironed 
out.
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Re: [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[Dale]

BRM wrote:


My desktop is a few months behind - still gotta get it fixed from a previous
failed update.
But won't have the time for at least another month. I may end up just rebuilding
it if the updates are too troublesome - it may prove faster.

Ben

   


I just went through the same thing with my old x86 rig.  I would 
recommend syncing then doing a emerge -e world and being done with it.  
Actually, I would use the nifty gcc upgrade script.  It's on the forums 
or I can send it to you.  It's old but it still works and is faster than 
emerge -e system a couple times then a emerge -e world.


I had python plus a few other issues.  It was a mess until I did the 
whole thing.


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[Sebastian Beßler]

Am 13.05.2011 21:50, schrieb Mick:
> a selection of 
> apps, rather that a heavy duty integrated DE with semantic searches and what 
> not.

I have written my thesis about semantic searches but I am absolut unable
to use that feature in KDE.

But that and the graphic distortions I have aside is KDE4 now useable.
It is time for KDE5 to annoy the users again :-P

Greetings

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[gentoo-user] Re: Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?

[walt]

On 05/12/2011 06:54 PM, Indi wrote:
> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 03:40:01AM +0200, 刘勇泰 wrote:
>>2011/5/12 Thanasis <[1]thana...@asyr.hopto.org>
>>
>>  on 05/12/2011 03:43 PM Indi wrote the following:
>>
>>> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 02:40:02PM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
>>>> On Thursday 12 May 2011 17:12:30 dong l wrote:
>>>>> 个人经历，baselayout的更新其实都不怎么suffer,呵呵～
>>>>
>>>> huh?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It surely does look cool though, wish I could read and write in such
>>> a picturesque manner. :)
>>>
>>
>>  The wonders of UTF8 ... the topic of another thread  :)
>>
>>
>>Can Chinese character be displayed correctly when there is no zh*
>>setting in LINGUAS variant?
>>
> 
> You'd be more qualified to answer that than I, but I 
> think so. Everything appears to work for me after 
> defining en_US.UTF-8 and switching the fonts to Deja 
> Vu Sans Mono

Are saying that mutt is displaying Chinese characters in a terminal
window?  I haven't used mutt for years, but maybe I should take another
look at it...

Re: [gentoo-user] Pre OpenRC update question...

[Mick]

On Friday 13 May 2011 20:11:01 James Wall wrote:
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Andrew Lowe  wrote:
> > On 13/05/2011 5:00 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> >> Probably a dumb one, but...
> >> 
> >> I have /home, /usr and /var on separate partitions...
> >> 
> >> If I want to image my system prior to the update 'just in case'
> >> something goes south, am I correct that all I need to worry about is /,
> >> since /etc is located there?
> >> 
> >> In other words, is anything on /usr or /var touched during this update?
> > 
> >If you want to be reeaallyyy safe, and want an image and not a
> > backup, grab the latest copy of SystemRescueCd, a couple of TB of usb
> > external drive space, which is very cheap these days, and use partImage
> > to grab a true image of your whole system. I started doing this recently
> > and it's saved me once so far. Things "flew apart big time" for me
> > recently, a disk failure, I rebooted into the rescue cd and hey presto,
> > 30 minutes later, everything was good.
> > 
> >Andrew
> 
> Another tool which will work well is dd.
> as an example to back up my laptop before experimenting with new
> distros, I do dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/backup/jalopy.img bs=2M to back
> up the drive for a bare metal restore of the 40 GB hard drive.
> 
> James Wall

Is the bs=2M important?  Should one use the block size of the drive?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[William Hubbs]

Hi Mick,

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 08:27:16PM +0100, Mick wrote:
> Here's mine if you want to compare with my previously sent output:
> 
> $ cat /etc/env.d/02locale 
> LANG="en_GB.UTF-8"

*snip*

This is all you need.

> LC_CTYPE="en_GB.UTF-8"

Or, If you are running a multi user system and do not want to force your
other users into your language, you can use this line. It forces UTF-8
characters but does not force the language.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 13 May 2011 13:57:47 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:

> But if your new and allegedly "improved"
> product can't stand on its own 2 feet and compete against older
> generation products, and you have to shut down or drop support for the
> older products for the new one to survive, then it's obvious that the
> "new and improved" product is a piece of crap.

Can you provide documentation showing this was the reason work on KDE3
stopped? Or is this more FUD?

Hint: You cannot "shut down" an open source project.


-- 
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[gentoo-user] chicken <--> egg (NFS & tty video)

[Felix Miata]

Yesterday I attempted my first Gentoo install (11.0). Thanks to help here, I 
got through my mirrorselect problem. First boot failed. I managed to miss 
enabling VIA ATA support, so had no access to /. Second kernel build 
suceeded, even to basic network working. First activity on first boot was 
'emerge mc'. That took too long to measure, pulling in 146 packages total, 
and I had to goto an appointment before it finished (at package 109).


Along the way to successful boot, I attempted two emerges suggested by the 
handbook (one being Grub Legacy). Both produced "ERROR: ... (compile 
phase)..." errors. Today I attempted NFS mounting only to find messages 
indicating I had neither portmap nor rpcbind running, so tried 'emerge 
portmap'. This produced similar (compile phase)... line 2140: Called die..." 
error. So did 'emerge rpcbind'. The way I normally provide logs when asking 
for help is put them on my file/web server via NFS, hence the chicken & egg 
subject line.


Another problem, highly annoying, is both vga= and video= cmdline parameters 
are apparently being ignored. KMS seems married to the Trinitron's 
PreferredMode (1600x1200), which produces mousetype on the ttys, and needs to 
be fixed before I'll be able to accomplish much without pain trying to see 
what I'm doing. My tty PreferredMode is 1152x864, which works with openSUSE 
KMS kernels by setting video=1152x864 on cmdline.


Any suggestions? Are such things in a FAQ somewhere? Do I need an older or 
newer portage than Wednesday's? The Handbook stops at Finalizing, where these 
questions aren't covered.

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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?

[Indi]

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 12:40:01AM +0200, walt wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday 12 May 2011 17:12:30 dong l wrote:
> >>>>> 个人经历，baselayout的更新其实都不怎么suffer,呵呵～
> 
> Are saying that mutt is displaying Chinese characters in a terminal
> window?  

Yes, it works in X (terminator) but so far I haven't got that to work in the 
console. 

> I haven't used mutt for years, but maybe I should take another
> look at it...

It's very verstaile, I use it to read nntp (enable USE=nntp) and rss (via 
rss2email) too.

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Re: [gentoo-user] mplayer id3v2

[Andrey Moshbear]

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 11:21, Paul Hartman
 wrote:
> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Andrey Moshbear  wrote:
>> Is there a patch for mplayer (1.0-rc4) that adds id3v2 support?
>> Googling the mailinglist archives, it was said that the previous
>> implementation had vulns and was hence scrapped, but it sucks not
>> having it.
>
> libavformat, which mplayer contains, can already support it. If you
> add "-demuxer lavf" to your mplayer commandline (or set it in your
> config), you should see the ID3v2 tag.
>
>

Now to rtfm and see how to set it in the config.

Re: [gentoo-user] chicken <--> egg (NFS & tty video)

[Indi]

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 03:10:02AM +0200, Felix Miata wrote:
> Yesterday I attempted my first Gentoo install (11.0). Thanks to help here, I 
> got through my mirrorselect problem. First boot failed. I managed to miss 
> enabling VIA ATA support, so had no access to /. Second kernel build 
> suceeded, even to basic network working. First activity on first boot was 
> 'emerge mc'. That took too long to measure, pulling in 146 packages total, 
> and I had to goto an appointment before it finished (at package 109).
> 
> Along the way to successful boot, I attempted two emerges suggested by the 
> handbook (one being Grub Legacy). Both produced "ERROR: ... (compile 
> phase)..." errors. Today I attempted NFS mounting only to find messages 
> indicating I had neither portmap nor rpcbind running, so tried 'emerge 
> portmap'. This produced similar (compile phase)... line 2140: Called die..." 
> error. So did 'emerge rpcbind'. The way I normally provide logs when asking 
> for help is put them on my file/web server via NFS, hence the chicken & egg 
> subject line.
>

Maybe a stupid question, but have you tried run emerge --sync and emerge
-vauND world yet since installing? 

> Another problem, highly annoying, is both vga= and video= cmdline parameters 
> are apparently being ignored. KMS seems married to the Trinitron's 
> PreferredMode (1600x1200), which produces mousetype on the ttys, and needs to 
> be fixed before I'll be able to accomplish much without pain trying to see 
> what I'm doing. My tty PreferredMode is 1152x864, which works with openSUSE 
> KMS kernels by setting video=1152x864 on cmdline.
> 
> Any suggestions? Are such things in a FAQ somewhere? Do I need an older or 
> newer portage than Wednesday's? The Handbook stops at Finalizing, where these 
> questions aren't covered.

Do you have your video card specified in make.conf?
Should be somthing like:

VIDEO_CARDS="radeon"

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Re: [gentoo-user] mplayer id3v2

[Indi]

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 04:40:01AM +0200, Andrey Moshbear wrote:
> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 11:21, Paul Hartman
>  wrote:
> > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Andrey Moshbear  
> > wrote:
> >> Is there a patch for mplayer (1.0-rc4) that adds id3v2 support?
> >> Googling the mailinglist archives, it was said that the previous
> >> implementation had vulns and was hence scrapped, but it sucks not
> >> having it.
> >
> > libavformat, which mplayer contains, can already support it. If you
> > add "-demuxer lavf" to your mplayer commandline (or set it in your
> > config), you should see the ID3v2 tag.
> >
> >
> 
> Now to rtfm and see how to set it in the config.

The line:

demuxer=lavf

works here.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Pre OpenRC update question...

[Andrey Moshbear]

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 18:35, Mick  wrote:
> On Friday 13 May 2011 20:11:01 James Wall wrote:
>>
>> Another tool which will work well is dd.
>> as an example to back up my laptop before experimenting with new
>> distros, I do dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/backup/jalopy.img bs=2M to back
>> up the drive for a bare metal restore of the 40 GB hard drive.
>>
>
> Is the bs=2M important?  Should one use the block size of the drive?
Speed improvement.
If you're doing a backup of a rather large disk, I duggest piping to
bzip2 or gzip. Unless the free space is random padding, even the
slightest
compression will be more efficient, space-wise, than the raw file. The
big problem is bzip2 -9, because you only get ~2.5 MB/s compression
speed.

Re: [gentoo-user] mplayer id3v2

[Andrey Moshbear]

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 22:43, Indi  wrote:
> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 04:40:01AM +0200, Andrey Moshbear wrote:
>> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 11:21, Paul Hartman
>>  wrote:
>> > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Andrey Moshbear  
>> > wrote:
>> >> Is there a patch for mplayer (1.0-rc4) that adds id3v2 support?
>> >> Googling the mailinglist archives, it was said that the previous
>> >> implementation had vulns and was hence scrapped, but it sucks not
>> >> having it.
>> >
>> > libavformat, which mplayer contains, can already support it. If you
>> > add "-demuxer lavf" to your mplayer commandline (or set it in your
>> > config), you should see the ID3v2 tag.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Now to rtfm and see how to set it in the config.
>
> The line:
>
> demuxer=lavf
>
> works here.

Thanks!

Re: [gentoo-user] chicken <--> egg (NFS & tty video)

[Alex Schuster]

Indi writes:

> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 03:10:02AM +0200, Felix Miata wrote:

>> Along the way to successful boot, I attempted two emerges suggested by the 
>> handbook (one being Grub Legacy). Both produced "ERROR: ... (compile 
>> phase)..." errors. 

If you like, post the messages here. Be sure to include enough of the
log, from the first error message on.

>> Today I attempted NFS mounting only to find messages 
>> indicating I had neither portmap nor rpcbind running, so tried 'emerge 
>> portmap'. This produced similar (compile phase)... line 2140: Called die..." 
>> error. So did 'emerge rpcbind'. The way I normally provide logs when asking 
>> for help is put them on my file/web server via NFS, hence the chicken & egg 
>> subject line.

Have you emerged nfs-utils? Is /etc/init.d/nfs running? This should take
care of everything I think.

> Maybe a stupid question, but have you tried run emerge --sync and emerge
> -vauND world yet since installing? 
> 
>> Another problem, highly annoying, is both vga= and video= cmdline parameters 
>> are apparently being ignored. KMS seems married to the Trinitron's 
>> PreferredMode (1600x1200), which produces mousetype on the ttys, and needs 
>> to 
>> be fixed before I'll be able to accomplish much without pain trying to see 
>> what I'm doing. My tty PreferredMode is 1152x864, which works with openSUSE 
>> KMS kernels by setting video=1152x864 on cmdline.

I just switched to KMS mode, and was happy that without doing anything I
had the natural resolution of my display. Don't know how to change this
though. Does kernel command line parameter "vga=ask" still work maybe?

>> Any suggestions? Are such things in a FAQ somewhere? Do I need an older or 
>> newer portage than Wednesday's? The Handbook stops at Finalizing, where 
>> these 
>> questions aren't covered.

There are several more howtos on gentoo.org, but I don't know if NFS and
console display are covered.

> Do you have your video card specified in make.conf?
> Should be somthing like:
> 
> VIDEO_CARDS="radeon"

I think that's for X-related stuff only.

Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Pre OpenRC update question...

[James Wall]

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Andrey Moshbear  wrote:
> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 18:35, Mick  wrote:
>> On Friday 13 May 2011 20:11:01 James Wall wrote:
>>>
>>> Another tool which will work well is dd.
>>> as an example to back up my laptop before experimenting with new
>>> distros, I do dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/backup/jalopy.img bs=2M to back
>>> up the drive for a bare metal restore of the 40 GB hard drive.
>>>
>>
>> Is the bs=2M important?  Should one use the block size of the drive?
> Speed improvement.
> If you're doing a backup of a rather large disk, I duggest piping to
> bzip2 or gzip. Unless the free space is random padding, even the
> slightest
> compression will be more efficient, space-wise, than the raw file. The
> big problem is bzip2 -9, because you only get ~2.5 MB/s compression
> speed.
>
>

I set the bs=2M to the size of the hdd cache to push it to the limit
of speed. YMMV, the best thing to do is experiment. You may find a
different number works better.

James Wall

Re: [gentoo-user] chicken <--> egg (NFS & tty video)

[Felix Miata]

On 2011/05/13 22:35 (GMT-0400) Indi composed:


Maybe a stupid question, but have you tried run emerge --sync


.bash_history tells me I did this twice prior to your response...


and emerge -vauND world yet since installing?


...but not this. Doing so now produces something that is not obvious to me 
how to respond to:



These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!

emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy 
">=media-libs/libcanberra-0.4[gtk]".

!!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request:
- media-libs/libcanberra-0.26 (Change USE: +gtk)
(dependency required by "x11-misc/notification-daemon-0.5.0" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "virtual/notification-daemon-0[gnome]" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "x11-libs/libnotify-0.7.2" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "media-video/vlc-1.1.9[libnotify]" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "media-libs/phonon-vlc-0.3.2" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "media-libs/phonon-4.5.0[vlc]" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "kde-base/kdelibs-4.6.2-r3" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "kde-misc/polkit-kde-kcmodules-0.98_pre20101127" 
[ebuild])



Is it telling me I have to change my USE from -gtk to +gtk, or can emerging 
one of those 8 packages listed satisfy the dep? IOW, it's unclear to me what 
"One of the following packages" actually refers to.



Do you have your video card specified in make.conf?
Should be somthing like:



VIDEO_CARDS="radeon"


I hadn't seen anything about VIDEO_CARDS until your response. Most of my 
systems are mga, intel or radeon, but this particular one is NV. Finding the 
answer to which of three possibles are the correct response led me to 
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml which I hadn't seen before. Now 
that I have I think I need to recompile due to misconfiguring of Graphics 
support.

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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Re: [gentoo-user] chicken <--> egg (NFS & tty video)

[Felix Miata]

On 2011/05/14 05:19 (GMT+0200) Alex Schuster composed:


Indi writes:



 Felix Miata wrote:



 Along the way to successful boot, I attempted two emerges suggested by the
 handbook (one being Grub Legacy). Both produced "ERROR: ... (compile
 phase)..." errors.



If you like, post the messages here. Be sure to include enough of the
log, from the first error message on.


Still the same problem, needing to get the log off the system onto the server 
or into an email without working NFS or rebooting to something with working NFS.


So, I've booted into SUSE. Logs for 6 failed emerges are in 
http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/G/


I'm chrooted into Gentoo for now to try and fix whatever's broken, and get to 
use legible tty fonts that way in the mean time, e.g. while rebuilding kernel 
with proper tty video selections, and ext4 instead of ext3.



Have you emerged nfs-utils? Is /etc/init.d/nfs running? This should take
care of everything I think.


# emerge nfs-utils

produces errors for dev-libs/libevent-2.0.10 twice.


 Maybe a stupid question, but have you tried run emerge --sync and emerge
 -vauND world yet since installing?



 Another problem, highly annoying, is both vga= and video= cmdline parameters
 are apparently being ignored. KMS seems married to the Trinitron's
 PreferredMode (1600x1200), which produces mousetype on the ttys, and needs to
 be fixed before I'll be able to accomplish much without pain trying to see
 what I'm doing. My tty PreferredMode is 1152x864, which works with openSUSE
 KMS kernels by setting video=1152x864 on cmdline.


Never solved the above in Fedora either. It's the same problem here. 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=701190



I just switched to KMS mode, and was happy that without doing anything I
had the natural resolution of my display. Don't know how to change this


Natural resolution is fine in X, because I can force DPI and tweak fonts 
easily. In ttys the only way that ever worked easily was via vga=, which 
doesn't work with KMS.



though. Does kernel command line parameter "vga=ask" still work maybe?


It does produce a modes list as before, but whatever is selected is ignored 
unless using a video chip that lacks KMS support, like mga or r128.



There are several more howtos on gentoo.org, but I don't know if NFS and
console display are covered.


I'll look while the kernel is recompiling.


 VIDEO_CARDS="radeon"



I think that's for X-related stuff only.


Related question: Is there any way to get BIOS setting for NUMLOCK state to 
be obeyed? emerge can't find a setleds or numlock package except as relates 
to X. Both Mandriva & openSUSE obey BIOS NUM state automatically.

--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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[gentoo-user] you are stopping a boot service

[Hartmut Figge]

Greetings,

i am always booting to a console and switch later to X using startx. Now
i have noticed a message appearing after typing the password:

i5 login: 
Password:
Last login: Sat May 14 06:58:55 CEST 2011 on tty1
 * WARNING: you are stopping a boot service

Same thing happens after switching from X to a console with e.g.
ctrl-altl-F2. Hm? :)

Hartmut
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Von Usern fuer User  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] chicken <--> egg (NFS & tty video)

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 05:28 on Saturday 14 May 2011, Felix Miata did 
opine thusly:

> On 2011/05/13 22:35 (GMT-0400) Indi composed:
> > Maybe a stupid question, but have you tried run emerge --sync
> 
> .bash_history tells me I did this twice prior to your response...
> 
> > and emerge -vauND world yet since installing?
> 
> ...but not this. Doing so now produces something that is not obvious to me
> how to respond to:
> 
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> 
> emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy
> ">=media-libs/libcanberra-0.4[gtk]".
> !!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request:
> - media-libs/libcanberra-0.26 (Change USE: +gtk)
> (dependency required by "x11-misc/notification-daemon-0.5.0" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "virtual/notification-daemon-0[gnome]" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "x11-libs/libnotify-0.7.2" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "media-video/vlc-1.1.9[libnotify]" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "media-libs/phonon-vlc-0.3.2" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "media-libs/phonon-4.5.0[vlc]" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "kde-base/kdelibs-4.6.2-r3" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "kde-misc/polkit-kde-kcmodules-0.98_pre20101127"
> [ebuild])
> 
> 
> Is it telling me I have to change my USE from -gtk to +gtk, or can emerging
> one of those 8 packages listed satisfy the dep? IOW, it's unclear to me
> what "One of the following packages" actually refers to.

It's telling you that you must enable USE=gtk for libcanberra for that build 
to succeed. The chain of packages listed won't solve the problem, they are 
causing it.

Easiest is to list gtk in USE in make.conf, then everything that uses gtk will 
link against it. If you are worried about Gnome, this wil not cause gnome to 
be installed, just gtk+


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

[gentoo-user] media center with gentoo

[Coert Waagmeester]

Hello all,

Building myself a new media center setup.
I used to have an old xbox with xbmc. But the CPU is to slow for hi-def
video.

Now I have a normal PC with keyboard and mouse in its place.
Normal Gentoo install.

How can I get X to start up without login straight into XBMC?
Which (xdm,kdm,etc) should I use for this?
Or should I just start an xsession with xbmc out of some sort of init
script?

On the XBMC forum I have found this link, and will try to get that going
in the meantime.
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=41739

Any other media center tips would be appreciated!
Also going to try and put a normal USB plug on one of the old xbox
controllers.


Regards,
Coert