[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Tears of unfathomable sorrow

[Charlie Shepherd]

On 07/04/07, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Much to the joy of many I am now retiring from Gentoo.


This isn't a surprise, but none the less I'm sad to see you go. Back
when I was still struggling to find my feet in Gentoo you were a great
help. Good luck in whatever you do next, I'll miss you.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] do not rely on internal variables used by portage functions

[Petteri Räty]

Mike Frysinger kirjoitti:
> On Saturday 31 March 2007, Mike Frysinger wrote:
>> we've noticed that many things in the tree abuse the fact that the portage
>> helpers utilize environment variables to communicate ... for example,
>> people setting DOCDESTTREE by hand rather than using `docinto`
>>
>> unless some one can give me a valid reason for this stuff, the plan is to
>> fix these ebuilds and change portage internals so those vars dont exist
> 
> since no one can put forth a valid reason, i'm going to go ahead and start 
> fixing things
> -mike

Probably the main reason why these where used was it was convenient. It
would probably be useful to document the solution of using sub shells
with insinto to the devmanual for example.

Regards,
Petteri



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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Tears of unfathomable sorrow

[Ferris McCormick]

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On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Alec Warner wrote:


Much to the joy of many I am now retiring from Gentoo.  I've already done
most of the work (sorry to burden you kloeri I think just the tree-bits
are left).

Many will wonder why; but this has been a while in coming.  I don't get
along with many like I used to and in many cases I don't find myself
agreeing with the direction of things.  Those who know me know I always
bitched about how I didn't do enough for Gentoo and that too is a reason
for leaving.

I expect to still file patches for portage and I expect to hang out in
gentoo-dev-help on irc and I expect to mentor for this years summer of
code.

For TreeCleaners I'm sorry that this is out of the blue; I hope you guys
continue to nuke broken crap from the tree.

For everyone who still loves working in their little window in gentoo, for
all the devs that only read core and not -dev, for all the devs who made
gentoo what it was when I started; thanks.  It was a fun ride.


As you know, I really wish you wouldn't do this.  But if you must, best of 
luck.  I respect you and enjoy working with you.




-Alec

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Tears of unfathomable sorrow

[Seemant Kulleen]

You suck for leaving before me.




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[gentoo-dev] app-misc/klive removal

[Daniel Drake]

klive isn't that useful and I don't have enough time to maintain it. 
There are several bugs kicking about.


If nobody takes over, I'll package.mask it on April 14th and remove it 
on April 28th.


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[gentoo-dev] punting sys-libs/pwdb from system

[Mike Frysinger]

i havent found anything that uses pwdb to justify it being in our 
default-linux system ... so unless someone can point out why it's needed 
anymore, i'm going to punt it from profiles/default-linux/packages
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] app-misc/klive removal

[Petteri Räty]

Daniel Drake kirjoitti:
> klive isn't that useful and I don't have enough time to maintain it.
> There are several bugs kicking about.
> 
> If nobody takes over, I'll package.mask it on April 14th and remove it
> on April 28th.
> 
> Daniel

The usual time in package.mask is still a month...

Regards,
Petteri



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[gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-misc/gfontview

[Stefan Schweizer]

# Stefan Schweizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (07 Apr 2007)
# masked for removal: no release since 2001, build broken, bug 154671
app-misc/gfontview


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Re: [gentoo-dev] *DEVELOPMENT* mail list, right?

[George Prowse]

Chris Gianelloni wrote:

On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 09:45 -0700, Ned Ludd wrote:
  

Here is what I'm doing these days..



Let's see.  I'm currently leading the 2007.0 release, which includes
building LiveDVD releases for amd64/x86, LiveCD for alpha/ppc, and doing
the entire PPC release, since Pylon is currently away due to school.

Besides that, I'm coordinating the articles and DVD media for Linux+DVD
magazine for their upcoming Gentoo issue.  I've released new versions of
catalyst (2.0.3) and genkernel (3.4.7) and will likely be releasing
newer versions of both soon.  I have been working on the Catalyst
Reference Manual, which I expect to have ready soon to allow me to
stabilize catalyst 2.0.x and finally put catalyst 1.x to pasture.

  

Damn, and there was me thinking you did the GWN occasionally as well

George
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Tears of unfathomable sorrow

[George Prowse]

Alec Warner wrote:

Much to the joy of many I am now retiring from Gentoo...


It is a pity to see you go, many users like me will be sad to see you leave.

George
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Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] Tears of unfathomable sorrow

[Denis Dupeyron]

"Tears of unfathomable sorrow"

Sad news, indeed. I only hope you'll take some time off and eventually
come back.

On 4/7/07, Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You suck for leaving before me.


No sir, you're not leaving. End of discussion.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-misc/gfontview

[Philip Webb]

070407 Stefan Schweizer wrote:
> # masked for removal: no release since 2001, build broken, bug 154671
> app-misc/gfontview

I have added a comment to the bug.
If you want to remove this package, please provide a better explanation.

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Tears of unfathomable sorrow

[Vlastimil Babka]

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Alec Warner wrote:
> Much to the joy of many I am now retiring from Gentoo.

This sucks.
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: app-misc/gfontview

[»Q«]

In ,
Philip Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 070407 Stefan Schweizer wrote:
> > # masked for removal: no release since 2001, build broken, bug
> > 154671 app-misc/gfontview  
> 
> I have added a comment to the bug.
> If you want to remove this package, please provide a better
> explanation.

The bug is now marked invalid, but I'm not clear on what's happening,
because the last comment also justifies removal.  Is gfontview still
scheduled for removal?

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: app-misc/gfontview

[Stefan Schweizer]

Philip Webb wrote:

> 070407 Stefan Schweizer wrote:
>> # masked for removal: no release since 2001, build broken, bug 154671
>> app-misc/gfontview
> 
> I have added a comment to the bug.
> If you want to remove this package, please provide a better explanation.
> 
 right you are. The bug is invalid - it was because he unmerged some
libraries he used earlier in depends and did not rebuild those depends.
Have unmasked it again for you :)

best regards,
Stefan

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Tears of unfathomable sorrow

[Steve Long]

Oh man.. the one dev who truly understood that users matter. And one of the
nicest people i've had the fortune to talk to on irc. Many thanks for all
you have done for gentoo.

I wish you'd reconsider, but I wish you much luck and happiness with your
future.

*Gutted*.


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[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

[Steve Long]

Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> It might be an idea if the QA team would post a QA issue of the week. It
> is my opinion that many QA issues come about because the developers just
> don't know it is wrong. The same mistakes get repeated again and again.
> To (anonymized) publish a QA issue of the week might help educate
> developers and help them to prevent doing the thing wrong again. It
> might also set a general QA awareness.
> 
Having them on the web would definitely do that, as well as being a great
resource for new devs.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] *DEVELOPMENT* mail list, right?

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Am Freitag, 6. April 2007 20:54:28 schrieb Doug Goldstein:
> Michael Cummings wrote:
> steev got hal 0.5.9 into the tree (it's masked) and we've both been
> solidly kicking it to behave how we need it. Anyone interested in
> testing it out would be very helpful.
>
> I can promise it won't come to your house and beat up your dog. But I
> can't promise you might have some little glitches here and there that I
> end up asking you to help debug. Overall it's a much more enjoyable
> version to work with then 0.5.7 and 0.5.8 ever were. We're currently
> sitting at 4 patches and that number will probably move to 5 over the
> next few days. They're fairly straight forward and not to difficult to
> manage.

It works really fine here (finally, selecting CPU scaling schemes works again 
in KPowersave).

The only thing, that bugged me was after installing it, a lot of daemons* 
crashed because hald did an autoreload because of it's inotify feature to 
reload rules as soon as there are changes to it's rules files.

*daemons/applications that crashed:
dbus
powersaved -> KPowersave
Networkmanager -> KNetworkmanager

Also, the new hald didn't want to start, because dbus had crashed because of 
the auto-hald-reload.

So we need to prevent this before it goes stable:

a) print out a big fat warning before doing the update / make the update 
interactive, so we make sure, the user knows about the dangers

b) find a way, to postpone the reload until the next reboot / disable 
auto-reloading for the currently running session

This were the only problems I could find so far.
What I really liked about the update: didn't have to re-emerge 
(revdep-rebuild) a single package.. ;-)

Regards,

Elias P.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] *DEVELOPMENT* mail list, right?

[Steev Klimaszewski]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

*daemons/applications that crashed:
dbus
powersaved -> KPowersave
Networkmanager -> KNetworkmanager

Also, the new hald didn't want to start, because dbus had crashed because of 
the auto-hald-reload.


So we need to prevent this before it goes stable:

a) print out a big fat warning before doing the update / make the update 
interactive, so we make sure, the user knows about the dangers


b) find a way, to postpone the reload until the next reboot / disable 
auto-reloading for the currently running session


This were the only problems I could find so far.
What I really liked about the update: didn't have to re-emerge 
(revdep-rebuild) a single package.. ;-)


Regards,

Elias P.


Odd that dbus would crash/restart - hald uses dbus, not the other way 
around - however, dbus should be restarted to read the new (possibly) 
hald.conf - the real fix would be for the apps that use hal to NOT bomb 
when hal is yanked out from under them.  Glad it was fairly painless for 
you.


And it is good to know that some people are using KNetworkManager - I 
don't have a machine currently with KDE installed (my KDE machine died) 
and so I haven't tested it at all recently.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] *DEVELOPMENT* mail list, right?

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On Sunday 08 April 2007 03:16:12 Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
> Odd that dbus would crash/restart - hald uses dbus, not the other way
> around
Yeah, I was wondering too, why this happened.

> however, dbus should be restarted to read the new (possibly) 
> hald.conf - the real fix would be for the apps that use hal to NOT bomb
> when hal is yanked out from under them.  Glad it was fairly painless for
> you.
Is there any way stopping the kernel from inotify-ing a directory? Couldn't 
find one yet.
So we could add a test to the ebuild, whether it is a upgrade from <0.5.9 and 
prevent reloading of the files until the next reboot.
Maybe this could find it's way into an eclass, because other 
applications/daemons like dbus will surely suffer from the same problem when 
having the next $PV_MAJOR upgrade, so we could use the functions global.
Should I open a bug for tracking this issue?

> And it is good to know that some people are using KNetworkManager - I
> don't have a machine currently with KDE installed (my KDE machine died)
> and so I haven't tested it at all recently.
KNetworkmanager works really fine here, except of some troubles concerning 
ipw3945+WPA which should be fixed in the next NetworkManager release (I hope 
it gets released soon, currently, my WLAN is only WEP "encrypted" :-/ ).


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: app-misc/gfontview

[Philip Webb]

070407 Stefan Schweizer wrote:
> Philip Webb wrote:
>> 070407 Stefan Schweizer wrote:
>>> # masked for removal: no release since 2001, build broken, bug 154671
>>> app-misc/gfontview
>> If you want to remove this package, please provide a better explanation.
> right you are. The bug is invalid: he unmerged some libraries
> he used earlier in depends and did not rebuild those depends.
> Have unmasked it again for you :)

Thanks: I've added a comment & thankyou to the bug.

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