[gentoo-dev] giac-xcas computer algebra system

[corrosifdev]

I have submitted many ebuilds recently for a project I help maintaining:
giac/xcas.
Giac is a computer algebra system, with console and library capabilities.
Xcas is its FLTK graphical interface (based also on FLVW for a few widgets).
I'd just like to see it appear in portage, as I think it can interest
many people.

If you are curious, the project page is here:
http://xcas.sourceforge.net

I am currently writing with a friend a new graphical interface, based on
wxWidgets... but it is too soon to make a release of it. Anyway, you can
check a screenshot here:
http://xcas.sourceforge.net/img/wxCAS.png

To install giac and xcas, you need the following ebuilds submitted by
myself (and no one is currently in the cvs of portage... I hope somebody
can help submit it):

dev-util/bakefile-0.1.8
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90446

sci-mathematics/giac-0.5.0
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94539

x11-libs/flvw-2224
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94403

sci-mathematics/xcas-0.5.0
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94542

Thanks,

Andreas.


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[gentoo-dev] Portage, Jobs, and Niceness

[Chris White]

Hi all,

-- Niceness --

  While waiting for kde to compile (read as hours), I decided to take a chance 
and talk about niceness and jobs this time.  Ok so, we'll start with niceness 
first:

if portage.settings.has_key("PORTAGE_NICENESS"):
try:
os.nice(int(portage.settings["PORTAGE_NICENESS"]))
except SystemExit, e:
raise # Needed else can't exit
except Exception,e:
print "!!! Failed to change nice value to '"+str(portage.setting
s["PORTAGE_NICENESS"])+"'"
print "!!!",e

the setting PORTAGE_NICENESS in make.conf sets up the portage niceness.  This 
code gives you an idea of how it is done.  if it sees PORTAGE_NICENESS, it 
simply uses the os module's nice function to set the niceness.  Now.. niceness 
is kind of weird.. so let's demonstrate using American Idol(tm)!  Alright.. so 
you have your two wannabe singers here, ProcessPest and ProcessPrincess.  Now.. 
Simon is the cpu here, having to judge which singer he wants more (it is safe 
to note here that one doesn't suck).  Now, instead of showing who he likes 
more, he shows who he hates less!  So, we have something like this:

nice -n -19 ProcessPrincess
nice -n 10 ProcessPest

So Simon says to ProcessPrincess "You suck -19, which means I like you, you get 
more cpu"
So Simon says to ProcessPest "You suck 10, which means you suck, you get 
screwed"

Now back to our regularly scheduled technical form... Ok, so now that we know 
what's going on, niceness means how "nice" you are to other programs.  The more 
"nice" you are, the more willing you are to share your cpu to other programs.  
The less "nice" you are, the more you want to hog it to yourself.  Now, when a 
process is set niceness, it does it by INCREMENT, not setting.  This basically 
means that if you do this:

PORTAGE_NICENESS=10

portage will increase your niceness from its original (normally 0 unless nice 
was already applied to it) by 10, giving you 10 niceness.  Now if you do it 
negative:

PORTAGE_NICENESS=-3

it increases by a negative number.. so it DECREASES portage niceness.  In this 
case, it would be -3, which is generally an ok value.  Note that the values go 
from -20 to 20, and that while you can increase niceness no problem, if you 
want to increases, you're probably going to need to be root.  Note to BE 
CAREFUL ABOUT NICENESS.  Remember, the same niceness that portage gets will be 
thusly applied to its child processes.  That means if you're running -j5 with 
PORTAGE_NICENESS=-19, subprocesses will all recieve -19 niceness too.  That's a 
lot of programs trying to grab for the cpu (I can tell you from experience that 
it can happen..)!  Only try this if you have some spectacular multi processor 
elite setup.  So that's what you get with niceness.  Now let's look at jobs:

-- Jobs --

Then there's jobs.  Now, this is extremly usefull for people that realized "Oh 
crap, I'm in the middle of emerge-ing such and such package and I just realized 
I need all my cpu for something more important (homework maybe?)".  No need to 
fear!  Bash has this nice little deal called jobs.  Let's take a look:

Scenario

 Ahh crud!  My xorg-x11 compile is halfway through and I just 
noticed this security patch I need to get through asap!  What to do! (or I'm 
compiling kde and realize I missed an assignment at school!).  Nice little 
handy bash function called jobs can take care of this.  To work with jobs, 
simply press CTRL+Z during the compile.  This stops the process as so:

(please note I was lazy here and removed my japanese error messages.. now 
you're not dreaming)

making imake with BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS= and CROSSCOMPILEFLAGS=-DCROSSCOMPILEDIR="" 
in config/imake
make[2]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/xorg-x11-6.8.99.8/work/xc/config/imake'
rm -f ./config/makedepend/Makefile.proto
./config/imake/imake -I./config/cf  -s ./config/makedepend/Makefile.proto -f 
./config/makedepend/Imakefile -DTOPDIR=../.. -DCURDIR=./config/makedepend
./config/cf/Imake.tmpl:109  include 
 Imakefile.c:35 :
./config/cf/linux.cf:390: Warning: "BuildLibGlxWithoutPIC" redefined
./config/cf/site.def:44  include ,
 ./config/cf/Imake.tmpl:46 
 Imakefile.c:35 :
./config/cf/host.def:63: Warning: this is the location of the previous 
definition
cd ./config/makedepend && rm -f -r Makefile Makefile.dep makedepend *.o 
bootstrap
cd ./config/makedepend && make -f Makefile.proto bootstrap
make[2]: Entering directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/xorg-x11-6.8.99.8/work/xc/config/makedepend'
make[2]: `bootstrap'
make[2]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/xorg-x11-6.8.99.8/work/xc/config/makedepend'
./config/imake/imake -I./config/cf  -s ./config/imake/Makefile.proto -f 
./config/imake/Imakefile -DTOPDIR=../.. -DCURDIR=./config/imake -DBootStrap

[1]+  Stopped emerge xorg-x11

And it stopped!  Now that you've done your stuff, you'd like it to run again.  
First off, we do a jobs listing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage, Jobs, and Niceness

[Georgi Georgiev]

maillog: 31/05/2005-17:48:21(+0900): Chris White types
> Hi all,
...

Shouldn't this go to gentoo-user?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] giac-xcas computer algebra system

[corrosifdev]

Dice R. Random wrote:

> You've probably noticed it already, but I just wanted to point this
> out in case you hadn't.  If I'm understanding that screenshot
> correctly I think you have a bug in your rendering engine.  It looks
> to me like you're integrating (1/3*x^2 + x) with respect to x, but the
> output looks like it says (1/(3*1/3*x^3) + 1/2*x^2) which would reduce
> to (1/x^3 + 1/2*x^2) whereas it should be (1/3*1/3*x^3 + 1/2*x^2)
> which would reduce to (1/9*x^3 + 1/2*x^2).
>
> On 5/31/05, *corrosifdev* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> I am currently writing with a friend a new graphical interface,
> based on
> wxWidgets... but it is too soon to make a release of it. Anyway,
> you can
> check a screenshot here:
> http://xcas.sourceforge.net/img/wxCAS.png
>
>
Yep that's right, I should have checked it before submitting the
screenshot :)
The rendering engine is far from finished and has some issues... The new
interface is still in alpha stage, and that's why I didn't submit any
ebuild for it.
Anyway, the CAS engine itself works very fine.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: baselayout-1.11.12-r2 request for testers

[Mike Frysinger]

On Tuesday 31 May 2005 02:53 am, Konstantin Kletschke wrote:
> This particular error occured on my machine with
> baselayout-1.11.12-r2 and therefore I file a bugreport against
> baselayout at bugs.gentoo.org #94120.

are you using lvm2 as your root filesystem ?
-mike
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage, Jobs, and Niceness

[Mike Frysinger]

On Tuesday 31 May 2005 05:05 am, Georgi Georgiev wrote:
> maillog: 31/05/2005-17:48:21(+0900): Chris White types
>
> > Hi all,
>
> ...
>
> Shouldn't this go to gentoo-user?

sounds like it ...
-mike
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: baselayout-1.11.12-r2 request for testers

[Konstantin Kletschke]

Am 2005-05-31 08:20 -0400 schrieb Mike Frysinger:

> > baselayout at bugs.gentoo.org #94120.
> 
> are you using lvm2 as your root filesystem ?

No I only have /home, /usr and subdirs under /usr as lvm2 volumes, not
root. Sorry, yes, I forgot to mention...

Konsti

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: baselayout-1.11.12-r2 request for testers

[Mike Frysinger]

On Tuesday 31 May 2005 08:45 am, Konstantin Kletschke wrote:
> Am 2005-05-31 08:20 -0400 schrieb Mike Frysinger:
> > > baselayout at bugs.gentoo.org #94120.
> >
> > are you using lvm2 as your root filesystem ?
>
> No I only have /home, /usr and subdirs under /usr as lvm2 volumes, not
> root. Sorry, yes, I forgot to mention...

did you properly `etc-update` then ?

your /etc/conf.d/rc must have RC_VOLUME_ORDER set to at least 'lvm'

i assume at boot you never see a message like 'Setting up the Logical Volume 
Manager' before the 'Checking all filesystems' message ?
-mike
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Re: [gentoo-dev] moving bzip2 from local to global USE flag

[Daniel Westermann-Clark]

On 2005-05-31 00:56:31 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> anyone have probs with moving bzip2 to global ?  we currently
> utilize it in gnupg, xqf, mkvtoolnix, tar, and we could use it in
> portage in the future

Some ebuilds use the global bzlib USE flag, is another necessary?
Maybe it should be renamed?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] moving bzip2 from local to global USE flag

[Mike Frysinger]

On Tuesday 31 May 2005 09:41 am, Daniel Westermann-Clark wrote:
> On 2005-05-31 00:56:31 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > anyone have probs with moving bzip2 to global ?  we currently
> > utilize it in gnupg, xqf, mkvtoolnix, tar, and we could use it in
> > portage in the future
>
> Some ebuilds use the global bzlib USE flag, is another necessary?
> Maybe it should be renamed?

ah, was not aware of said flag ... yes they should be unified ...

personally i think 'bzip2' is a bit more logical ... what do others think we 
should use ?  just stick with bzlib since it's what we've had it for a while 
now ?
-mike
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Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-1.11.12-r2 request for testers

[Chris Gianelloni]

On Sat, 2005-05-28 at 11:03 -0500, Daniel Goller wrote:
> |>you mean so i will not have to use 'gentoo nolvm2' on the next livecd on
> |>my system?
> |
> |
> | That had nothing to do with the init scripts, so these changes would no
> | affect that in any way.  All of the no* commands affect things that are
> | specific to the livecd.
> |
> then i'll have to make sure to test as many of the next livecd release
> candidates to see if it still requires me to specify that or not

It won't.  We're turning off all of the volume management in the initrd
by default.  This means all of them (dmraid, evms, lvm2) will be
available, but not enabled.  You will be required to do* if you want
them on, since they caused problems for some people, much as how doscsi
is not enabled by default.

I'm also working on making a nice little document of all the do* no*
commands available on the releases, so troubleshooting should be a bit
easier for us all.

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[gentoo-dev] GNAP 1.7 Release (Gentoo Network APpliance)

[Thierry Carrez]

GNAP 1.7 is out !

GNAP is a Gentoo-based Network Appliance building system. It allows to
build LiveCDs or bootable disks with a customized network appliance
configuration in seconds. This is especially useful to quickly install
Gentoo on small-CPU hosts to use them as routers, firewalls, VPN boxen...

Starting points :
http://embedded.gentoo.org/gnap.xml
http://embedded.gentoo.org/gnap-userguide.xml

This version includes two major new features.

R/W overlay
It is now possible to specify the name of a partition from which to
overlay files at boot-time, allowing to write configuration changes back
to a floppy or a specific CF partition for example.

Easier extensibility
Add new functionality to GNAP used to force you to rebuild a complete
new core, which took both time and effort. The new extension system in
gnap_make allows you to build extensions without building a new core,
and the new gnap_remaster tool helps you to add extensions to existing
core files.

So emerge gnap and play ! Ask me on IRC for any questions you may have.

For bugs/patches/enhancement requests, use the Bugzilla "Embedded"
component and assign bugs to me. Thank you.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage, Jobs, and Niceness

[Alec Warner]

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>>Hi all,
> 
> ...
> 
> Shouldn't this go to gentoo-user?
> 
Maybe Ciaranm's guide; I doubt all devs are shell wizards ;)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage, Jobs, and Niceness

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Tue, 31 May 2005 11:29:24 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| > Shouldn't this go to gentoo-user?
| > 
| Maybe Ciaranm's guide; I doubt all devs are shell wizards ;)

I don't think really basic 'Unix 101' job control stuff belongs in The
Doc.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNAP 1.7 Release (Gentoo Network APpliance)

[Chris Gianelloni]

On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 17:04 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> This version includes two major new features.
> 
> R/W overlay
> It is now possible to specify the name of a partition from which to
> overlay files at boot-time, allowing to write configuration changes back
> to a floppy or a specific CF partition for example.

Just curious, but what did you do to do this?  I'm going to guess
there's some boot-time option to mount a unionfs, no?  Is this something
we can extend to genkernel to allow us to have configurable LiveCD
releases, or is it something that is GNAP-specific?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage, Jobs, and Niceness

[Aron Griffis]

Chris,

This is useful information but not appropriate for gentoo-dev.  Some
people have suggested -user, which might be a good place.  Other
places I can think of are the forums or a blog.

Regards,
Aron

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Re: [gentoo-dev] moving bzip2 from local to global USE flag

[Aron Griffis]

Vapier wrote:   [Tue May 31 2005, 10:16:06AM EDT]
> personally i think 'bzip2' is a bit more logical ... what do others
> think we should use ?  just stick with bzlib since it's what we've
> had it for a while now ?

I'd prefer bzip2

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Re: [gentoo-dev] moving bzip2 from local to global USE flag

[Maurice van der Pot]

On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 10:16:06AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> ah, was not aware of said flag ... yes they should be unified ...

Agreed.

> personally i think 'bzip2' is a bit more logical ... what do others think we 
> should use ?  just stick with bzlib since it's what we've had it for a while 
> now ?

I'd say always try to make things more logical. Besides, there are only
a few packages using the bzlib flag.

I did however find quite a few that did an unconditional --with-bzlib as
well as one (dev-util/gambas) that uses bzlib2, which I can't find
anywhere.

Maurice.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNAP 1.7 Release (Gentoo Network APpliance)

[Thierry Carrez]

Chris Gianelloni wrote:

>>R/W overlay
>>It is now possible to specify the name of a partition from which to
>>overlay files at boot-time, allowing to write configuration changes back
>>to a floppy or a specific CF partition for example.
> 
> Just curious, but what did you do to do this?  I'm going to guess
> there's some boot-time option to mount a unionfs, no?  Is this something
> we can extend to genkernel to allow us to have configurable LiveCD
> releases, or is it something that is GNAP-specific?

Oh no. I just found out about unionfs very recently, thanks to solar.

The current implementation is completely manual (and asynchronous) : the
contents of the partition is overlaid over the live filesystem at boot,
and you can remount the partition later on to save modified files. The
idea is to backup some /etc and /var things that you want to keep over a
reboot.

What is GNAP-specific, though, is the idea to add a tarball to a LiveCD
and have an init script overlay files over the filesystem at boot. This
allows user-level customization of the LiveCD configuration files in
seconds. The "R/W overlay" feature is just there to avoid burning a new
LiveCD whenever you change a conf file.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: baselayout-1.11.12-r2 request for testers

[Konstantin Kletschke]

Am 2005-05-31 09:18 -0400 schrieb Mike Frysinger:

> did you properly `etc-update` then ?

Ooops!

> your /etc/conf.d/rc must have RC_VOLUME_ORDER set to at least 'lvm'

ARGH!! I apologize! I always watch the diff output while etc-updating
exactly, even on baselayout or something else importand stuff, but this
time RC_VOLUME_ORDER did not made it into my new /etc/conf.d/rc!

> i assume at boot you never see a message like 'Setting up the Logical Volume 
> Manager' before the 'Checking all filesystems' message ?

No, was completely missing :)


Thanks for your help and tips!

Kind Regards, Konsti

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[gentoo-dev] Last rites: nss-mysql

[Robin H. Johnson]

This package is no longer maintained upstream, and has several problems.

An alternative implementation exists (and works as well as being
actively maintained) as sys-libs/libnss-mysql.

If there are no complaints, I'll hard-mask libnss-mysql on Friday, and
remove it at the end of next week.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: libnss-mysql

[Anthony Gorecki]

On Tue, 31 May 2005 17:14:46 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> An alternative implementation exists (and works as well as being
> actively maintained) as sys-libs/libnss-mysql.

I think that what Robin was trying to state was that an alternative to 
libnss-mysql is available, not that the alternative /is/ libnss-mysql :)


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: nss-mysql

[Robin H. Johnson]

On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 06:18:15PM -0700, Anthony Gorecki wrote:
> On Tue, 31 May 2005 17:14:46 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> > An alternative implementation exists (and works as well as being
> > actively maintained) as sys-libs/libnss-mysql.
> I think that what Robin was trying to state was that an alternative to 
> libnss-mysql is available, not that the alternative /is/ libnss-mysql :)
No.

The old package is nss-mysql.
libnss-mysql is what any users of nss-mysql should move to.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: nss-mysql

[Anthony Gorecki]

On Tue, 31 May 2005 18:46:52 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> The old package is nss-mysql.
> libnss-mysql is what any users of nss-mysql should move to.

In that case, your last paragraph was wrong:

> If there are no complaints, I'll hard-mask libnss-mysql on Friday, and
> remove it at the end of next week.


Technically, libnss-mysql is also obsolete: it's been replaced by its creator
by NSVS. There's an ebuild for that package in Bugzilla. It works wonderfully.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: nss-mysql

[Robin H. Johnson]

On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 07:11:16PM -0700, Anthony Gorecki wrote:
> In that case, your last paragraph was wrong:
> > If there are no complaints, I'll hard-mask libnss-mysql on Friday, and
> > remove it at the end of next week.
Whoops. My bad.

> Technically, libnss-mysql is also obsolete: it's been replaced by its creator
> by NSVS. There's an ebuild for that package in Bugzilla. It works wonderfully.
NSVS is nice, but it's also a bit of overkill for the moment.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] moving bzip2 from local to global USE flag

[Mike Frysinger]

On Tuesday 31 May 2005 01:38 pm, Aron Griffis wrote:
> Vapier wrote: [Tue May 31 2005, 10:16:06AM EDT]
>
> > personally i think 'bzip2' is a bit more logical ... what do others
> > think we should use ?  just stick with bzlib since it's what we've
> > had it for a while now ?
>
> I'd prefer bzip2

the three packages using bzlib have been changed to bzip2

thanks all ... this is a good example of why we e-mail gentoo-dev before just 
doing stuff :)
-mike
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: baselayout-1.11.12-r2 request for testers

[Mike Frysinger]

On Tuesday 31 May 2005 06:49 pm, Konstantin Kletschke wrote:
> Am 2005-05-31 09:18 -0400 schrieb Mike Frysinger:
> > did you properly `etc-update` then ?
>
> Ooops!

someone (i think johnm) mentioned this to me before ... i'm going to add a 
small patch so that if RC_VOLUME_ORDER is unset, it'll default to "raid evms 
lvm dm" ... i'll drop it with 1.11.13 or 1.11.14

that way people who are bad and dont etc-update dont end up with bjorked 
systems
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: baselayout-1.11.12-r2 request for testers

[Konstantin Kletschke]

Am 2005-05-31 18:57 -0400 schrieb Mike Frysinger:

> small patch so that if RC_VOLUME_ORDER is unset, it'll default to "raid evms 
> lvm dm" ... i'll drop it with 1.11.13 or 1.11.14

Yes and may be add a boot warning meanwhile that the RC_VOLUME_ORDER is
completely unset. I for example would have seen that :)

Konsti

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