[gentoo-dev] New Developer Truedfx

[Jochen Maes]

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chaps and gals,




I'm a tad late, but things seem to be b0rked out every day here :-).
Perhaps i should stop drinking alcohol from the minute i wake up :-).

Ok we have a new labrat in the team, his name is Harald van Dijck and
nick is truedfx.
He's a 21 year old brat from the netherlands, and frankly he's a real
dutchman.
Cheap, direct, ugly and annoying, but don't wory he's fobic about
photocamera's so we're lucky we don't do much video conferencing :-).

He'll be working on ufed, and making sure it keeps on working in the
future...
So he's kind off a portage whore :-)

Btw he has no social life at all, and has only his little brother and
Gentoo to live for. He did say something about genone and their mutual
perl love been shown like the way jforman used to show to his goats
(and now to his llamas). But that is none off our concern.

Anyway give him a nice worm fuzzy welcome


greetings


Jochen Maes

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer Truedfx

[Henrik Brix Andersen]

On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 14:22 +0200, Jochen Maes wrote:
> Btw he has no social life at all, and has only his little brother and
> Gentoo to live for. He did say something about genone and their mutual
> perl love been shown like the way jforman used to show to his goats
> (and now to his llamas). But that is none off our concern.

Mm, perl. Welcome to the team, truedfx.

./Brix
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer Truedfx

[Harald van Dijk]

Jochen Maes wrote:
> Ok we have a new labrat in the team, his name is Harald van Dijck and
> nick is truedfx.

The name's van DÄk, without a C!

Hi all.



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[gentoo-dev] Trustee ML archive status

[Lance Albertson]

Hey all,

With the recent mails about trustee elections coming up I thought I'd give you
guys an official status of why the trustee mailing list hasn't been updated on
archives.gentoo.org. Its not a conspiracy as some of you may think infra pwns
you all ;)

We've been in the process of getting our mailing lists moved over to a new
server and mailing list software. To make things easier we decided to hold off
on getting archives totally working until the process was completed. Luckily, we
recently got the lists all moved over (hurray for lcars!) and we can start
getting archives working at their fullest potential. I've asked our developer
(blackace) to put the trustee archive at the top of the list so people can see
the activity and conversations they've had on there for the past year. This is a
valuable asset for all our users since of being kept in the dark is a bad thing
(tm).

Once again, I'm sorry it hasn't been working for the past few months, but
hopefully that will start to change soon. I will send out an email when its 
back!

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[gentoo-dev] bug 84937

[Jason Stubbs]

Care to fight it out?
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Re: [gentoo-dev] bug 84937

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:19:02 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| Care to fight it out?

What's wrong with 75936?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] bug 84937

[Jason Stubbs]

On Tuesday 12 April 2005 23:42, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:19:02 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> | Care to fight it out?
>
> What's wrong with 75936?

Nothing wrong with it. It was just has a lower number and I was going through 
the bugs high to low for a change - the lower numbers get depressing.

/me dupes it.

Regards,
Jason Stubbs
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Re: [gentoo-dev] bug 84937

[Jason Stubbs]

On Tuesday 12 April 2005 23:42, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:19:02 +0900 Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> | Care to fight it out?
>
> What's wrong with 75936?

BTW, my intention in bringing it to the list was so that the requirements 
could all be hashed out and a solution(s) chosen.

Regards,
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[gentoo-dev] What to do with things like -fpie in CFLAGS in environment?

[Maurice van der Pot]

I have the following situation:
- a package (valgrind) that can be compiled with PIE and uses PIE
  for some purpose or other if it is supported
- tests (make check) that cannot be compiled with PIE

In the upstream release CFLAGS is reset to "-Wno-long-long", but I would
prefer to allow customised CFLAGS. I already asked the developers why
they reset the CFLAGS, but I haven't received an answer.
I made a small modification to configure to enable the use of make.conf's 
CFLAGS, but now some problems occur. The first problem is a problem even
without this modification.

If compiled with the hardened gcc profile, -fno-pie has to be specified
when compiling the tests or it will fail. Specifying -fno-pie always
will force me to disable any PIE support through configure as well.

I tried to adapt the makefiles to disable pie themselves for the tests
only, but then I have another problem:

What if the user specifies -fpie in make.conf? 
The compilation of the tests will fail because -fpie (from the environment) 
will end up in CFLAGS after -fno-pie (from the makefile).
If I use flag-o-matic to filter out -fpie, it will add -fno-pie everywhere
and disable PIE altogether.

I'm looking for a solution that preferably:
- uses (some of) make.conf's CFLAGS
- compiles with all gcc profiles and all CFLAGS (filtering some is ok)
- does not disable PIE altogether

Is there such a solution?

Maurice.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] What to do with things like -fpie in CFLAGS in environment?

[Daniel Ostrow]

On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 17:59 +0200, Maurice van der Pot wrote:
*snip*
> If compiled with the hardened gcc profile, -fno-pie has to be specified
> when compiling the tests or it will fail. Specifying -fno-pie always
> will force me to disable any PIE support through configure as well.
> 
> I tried to adapt the makefiles to disable pie themselves for the tests
> only, but then I have another problem:
*snip*

Take a look at dev-libs/glib/files/glib-2.6.3-testglib-ssp.patch to see
how solar and I dealt with a similar issue with tests and ssp. See if
you can adapt it, we just forced -fno-stack-protector after the CFLAGS
pulled in from the system.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer Truedfx

[Danny van Dyk]

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Hi Harald,

Welcome aboard!
> The name's van DÄk, without a C!
Nono, you're mistaken. It's "van Dyk" :-P

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Re: [gentoo-dev] What to do with things like -fpie in CFLAGS in environment?

[Mike Frysinger]

On Tuesday 12 April 2005 11:59 am, Maurice van der Pot wrote:
> I have the following situation:
> - a package (valgrind) that can be compiled with PIE and uses PIE
>   for some purpose or other if it is supported
> - tests (make check) that cannot be compiled with PIE

allowing user specified tests for `make check` doesnt really make much sense 
and in fact it's probably a better idea to prevent user CFLAGS from being 
used during `make check`
-mike
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer Truedfx

[Maurice van der Pot]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 02:32:58PM +0200, Harald van DÄk wrote:
> Jochen Maes wrote:
> > Ok we have a new labrat in the team, his name is Harald van Dijck and
> > nick is truedfx.
> 
> The name's van DÄk, without a C!

Van what? Is that UTF8? Oh, I see, my font just sucks.

> Hi all.

Welcome fellow dutchman.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] What to do with things like -fpie in CFLAGS in environment?

[Maurice van der Pot]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 01:52:05PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 April 2005 11:59 am, Maurice van der Pot wrote:
> > I have the following situation:
> > - a package (valgrind) that can be compiled with PIE and uses PIE
> >   for some purpose or other if it is supported
> > - tests (make check) that cannot be compiled with PIE
> 
> allowing user specified tests for `make check` doesnt really make much sense 

'user specified tests'?? The tests are part of valgrind, they just can't
be compiled with PIE.

> and in fact it's probably a better idea to prevent user CFLAGS from being 
> used during `make check`

In theory, you're probably right. But would you really spend time on
disabling user CFLAGS for make check? How many ebuilds are doing this
right now anyway?

Maurice.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-www/apache testing request (marking stable anytime soon)

[Paul de Vrieze]

On Monday 11 April 2005 20:07, Jason Wever wrote:
> That could be handled via some CONFIG_PROTECT foo (unless someone has a
> more suitable method in mind)

Actually not as for example an index.html could override my index.php. Even 
worse, the index html file does not need to be called index.html either but 
the name might be configured in either the apache config file in /etc, or in 
a directory specific configuration file which is most often (and by default) 
called .htaccess.

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 36: providing both CVS and Subversion?

[Paul de Vrieze]

On Sunday 10 April 2005 18:39, Aaron Walker wrote:
> Regarding GLEP 36[1], solar has asked me to try and figure out a way to
> provide both CVS and Subversion for one repository and keep them sync'd
> somehow.
>
> Although this was not the intention of my glep, it would be nice to get
> this implemented, as it means all developers of a certain project would not
> be forced to use one over the other.
>
> Unfortunately, I have almost zero experience with repository administration
> (CVS or Subversion), so I'm writing this with hopes that some of you guys
> have some ideas.
>
> The only idea I've had is to maybe setup post-commit hooks for both that
> commit what was just committed to the other (cvs post-commit commits the
> stuff to svn and vice versa).  Is this possible?

Not really. It is not that hard to go from subversion to cvs. The other way 
around however will loose information. This is because cvs is not changeset 
but file based. So if you would like to put sets of changes as one changeset 
into subversion (in a way that somehow you don't loose information on the 
identity of the committer) you would need to collect commits, run heuristics 
on whether they belong together etc. All in all a messy business.

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer Truedfx

[Harald van Dijk]

Maurice van der Pot wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 02:32:58PM +0200, Harald van DÄk wrote:
> 
>>Jochen Maes wrote:
>>
>>>Ok we have a new labrat in the team, his name is Harald van Dijck and
>>>nick is truedfx.
>>
>>The name's van DÄk, without a C!
> 
> 
> Van what? Is that UTF8? Oh, I see, my font just sucks.

Yep, that's UTF8. Just spell it van Dijk if you have problems with Ä; I
have to most of the time anyway :)

>>Hi all.
> 
> 
> Welcome fellow dutchman.

Ooh, another Dutchie, cool.



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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-www/apache testing request (marking stable anytime soon)

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:28:05 +0200 Paul de Vrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| On Monday 11 April 2005 20:07, Jason Wever wrote:
| > That could be handled via some CONFIG_PROTECT foo (unless someone
| > has a more suitable method in mind)
| 
| Actually not as for example an index.html could override my index.php.
| Even  worse, the index html file does not need to be called index.html
| either but  the name might be configured in either the apache config
| file in /etc, or in  a directory specific configuration file which is
| most often (and by default)  called .htaccess.

Protect the whole directory.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 36: providing both CVS and Subversion?

[Paul de Vrieze]

On Monday 11 April 2005 22:42, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Well, surprisingly enough, one of the main reasons we use these version
> control things is so that we can see *what changed*. It's a hell of a
> lot easier to do this when you can just say "show me everything that
> changed in the foo project between three days ago and today" rather than
> having to worry about adding in extra selections to pick a project path.

You need to do this anyway. Whether it's a path inside the repository or on 
the webserver doesn't matter. It's like https://svn.gentoo.org/gentoo/projA 
where /gentoo is the name of the repos or https://svn.gentoo.org/gentoo/projA 
where /gentoo is a superdirectory of all project repositories that are now 
housed in the gentoo cvs repository. In either case /gentoo could be removed.

> One big repository is harder to work with. It's that simple.

With one exception, that is, sharing and merging within a repository is a lot 
easier than between two separate repositories.

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 36: providing both CVS and Subversion?

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:50:36 +0200 Paul de Vrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| On Monday 11 April 2005 22:42, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > Well, surprisingly enough, one of the main reasons we use these
| > version control things is so that we can see *what changed*. It's a
| > hell of a lot easier to do this when you can just say "show me
| > everything that changed in the foo project between three days ago
| > and today" rather than having to worry about adding in extra
| > selections to pick a project path.
| 
| You need to do this anyway. Whether it's a path inside the repository
| or on  the webserver doesn't matter. It's like
| https://svn.gentoo.org/gentoo/projA  where /gentoo is the name of the
| repos or https://svn.gentoo.org/gentoo/projA  where /gentoo is a
| superdirectory of all project repositories that are now  housed in the
| gentoo cvs repository. In either case /gentoo could be removed.

No, with certain operations you need to start giving entire paths if and
only if you're not operating on the repo as a whole.

| > One big repository is harder to work with. It's that simple.
| 
| With one exception, that is, sharing and merging within a repository
| is a lot  easier than between two separate repositories.

Which is an extremely rare task compared to doing things like diffs and
branch merges...

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Re: [gentoo-dev] What to do with things like -fpie in CFLAGS in environment?

[Mike Frysinger]

On Tuesday 12 April 2005 02:20 pm, Maurice van der Pot wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 01:52:05PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Tuesday 12 April 2005 11:59 am, Maurice van der Pot wrote:
> > > I have the following situation:
> > > - a package (valgrind) that can be compiled with PIE and uses PIE
> > >   for some purpose or other if it is supported
> > > - tests (make check) that cannot be compiled with PIE
> >
> > allowing user specified tests for `make check` doesnt really make much
> > sense
>
> 'user specified tests'?? The tests are part of valgrind, they just can't
> be compiled with PIE.

err s/tests/CFLAGS/

> > and in fact it's probably a better idea to prevent user CFLAGS from being
> > used during `make check`
>
> In theory, you're probably right. But would you really spend time on
> disabling user CFLAGS for make check?

why not ?  you've just shown they break things
src_test() { make check CFLAGS="" || die "make check failed" ; }

> How many ebuilds are doing this  right now anyway?

how many ebuilds' src_test are sensitive user CFLAGS ?  very few i'd say
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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-www/apache testing request (marking stable anytime soon)

[Jason Wever]

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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
Actually not as for example an index.html could override my index.php. Even
worse, the index html file does not need to be called index.html either but
the name might be configured in either the apache config file in /etc, or in
a directory specific configuration file which is most often (and by default)
called .htaccess.
There's a difference between overwriting the file on the filesystem and 
configuration issues in Apache.  AFAIK, neither are things we protect the 
user against at the moment.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] What to do with things like -fpie in CFLAGS in environment?

[Maurice van der Pot]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 12:10:25PM -0400, Daniel Ostrow wrote:
> Take a look at dev-libs/glib/files/glib-2.6.3-testglib-ssp.patch to see
> how solar and I dealt with a similar issue with tests and ssp. See if
> you can adapt it, we just forced -fno-stack-protector after the CFLAGS
> pulled in from the system.

Thanks for the tip. It was perfectly applicable.

Maurice.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 36: providing both CVS and Subversion?

[Nicholas Jones]

> I doubt this is the right place to ask, but I got no
> reply from the trustees, so...

Just out of curiousity... When did you ask the trustees,
and to whom/where did you post the question?

I have no emails from you in my mboxes.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer Truedfx

[Luca Barbato]

Harald van DÄk wrote:
> 
> Yep, that's UTF8. Just spell it van Dijk if you have problems with Ä; I
> have to most of the time anyway :)
> 

Welcome, keep in mind that nano won't like utf8 (so spyderous will hate
you) yet and I have no clue how to type Ä so you'll be truedfx or Harald
but not expect me to write your full name correctly =)

Have a lot of fun.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 36: providing both CVS and Subversion?

[Christian Parpart]

On Tuesday 12 April 2005 8:57 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:50:36 +0200 Paul de Vrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> | On Monday 11 April 2005 22:42, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> | > Well, surprisingly enough, one of the main reasons we use these
> | > version control things is so that we can see *what changed*. It's a
> | > hell of a lot easier to do this when you can just say "show me
> | > everything that changed in the foo project between three days ago
> | > and today" rather than having to worry about adding in extra
> | > selections to pick a project path.
> |
> | You need to do this anyway. Whether it's a path inside the repository
> | or on  the webserver doesn't matter. It's like
> | https://svn.gentoo.org/gentoo/projA  where /gentoo is the name of the
> | repos or https://svn.gentoo.org/gentoo/projA  where /gentoo is a
> | superdirectory of all project repositories that are now  housed in the
> | gentoo cvs repository. In either case /gentoo could be removed.
>
> No, with certain operations you need to start giving entire paths if and
> only if you're not operating on the repo as a whole.

If you loose when using svn as client, then you might wanna have a 
look at svk which already has star-merge capabilities. Or just 
don't merg until svn 1.3 is out (which will have it)

> | > One big repository is harder to work with. It's that simple.
> |
> | With one exception, that is, sharing and merging within a repository
> | is a lot  easier than between two separate repositories.
>
> Which is an extremely rare task compared to doing things like diffs and
> branch merges...

http://rt.openfoundry.org/Foundry/Project/Download/Attachment/28786/20705/SVK-0.991.tar.gz
(or wait for the ebuild)

play a bit around, feel it, and report your experiences. when having problems 
(like you seem to *always* complain) report in *detail*.

Finally, just don't use svn if you feel that uncomfortable with it. No one 
said that cvs will go away. I'm tired of reading your 'svn is hard to merge 
because it *is* hard to merge' posts :(

Sorry, but this is how it comes over.
Christian Parpart.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer Truedfx

[Homer Parker]

On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 19:37 +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote:
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> Hi Harald,
> 
> Welcome aboard!
> > The name's van DÄk, without a C!
> Nono, you're mistaken. It's "van Dyk" :-P

Nonono, we can only handle one!! ;)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 36: providing both CVS and Subversion?

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 03:33:46 +0200 Christian Parpart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| Finally, just don't use svn if you feel that uncomfortable with it. No
| one  said that cvs will go away. I'm tired of reading your 'svn is
| hard to merge  because it *is* hard to merge' posts :(

Eh? Dude, I'm one of the people that's been asking for SVN from the
beginning. SVN is considerably easier to merge than CVS -- however, it's
a pain in the ass if you're using multiple projects per repo because
then you *have* to give it full paths.

Really, I think you should reread the entire thread if you think I'm
against SVN.

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