Re: Heron Grant Status & Monthly Reporting
On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 3:09 AM, John D. Ament wrote: >...I'd like to understand why Heron is inclined to do a SGA rather > than ICLAs IANAL but my understanding is that the software is donated by its copyright owner. Java files found under https://github.com/twitter/heron have a "Copyright 2017 Twitter" header. My conclusion is that a software grant needs to be provided by Twitter. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Heron Grant Status & Monthly Reporting
On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:25 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 3:09 AM, John D. Ament > wrote: > >...I'd like to understand why Heron is inclined to do a SGA rather > > than ICLAs > > IANAL but my understanding is that the software is donated by its > copyright owner. > > Java files found under https://github.com/twitter/heron have a > "Copyright 2017 Twitter" header. > > My conclusion is that a software grant needs to be provided by Twitter. > The key word here is "donated." Right now there are licensing issues within the Heron code base that need to be resolved. However, all of the originally developed code is Apache License, v2. Twitter doesn't actually own the copyright on all of the code (see [1] as an example), because of that I'm not sure a grant would actually be valid at this time. When they're ready to remove the twitter headers in favor of the ASF standard headers that would be when I expect a grant to be processed. [1]: https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/64bbb16137225217a5626108801a4fc2ed940382000204f8633aa378@%3Cdev.heron.apache.org%3E > > -Bertrand > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: Heron Grant Status & Monthly Reporting
Hi - Isn't the question of copyright between Twitter and the author. Isn't it likely that the author was working for hire which means that Twitter does have copyright? If there is a question here then isn't this a question for legal-discuss@? Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 15, 2017, at 9:28 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:25 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < > bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 3:09 AM, John D. Ament >> wrote: >>> ...I'd like to understand why Heron is inclined to do a SGA rather >>> than ICLAs >> >> IANAL but my understanding is that the software is donated by its >> copyright owner. >> >> Java files found under https://github.com/twitter/heron have a >> "Copyright 2017 Twitter" header. >> >> My conclusion is that a software grant needs to be provided by Twitter. >> > > The key word here is "donated." Right now there are licensing issues > within the Heron code base that need to be resolved. However, all of the > originally developed code is Apache License, v2. Twitter doesn't actually > own the copyright on all of the code (see [1] as an example), because of > that I'm not sure a grant would actually be valid at this time. When > they're ready to remove the twitter headers in favor of the ASF standard > headers that would be when I expect a grant to be processed. > > > [1]: > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/64bbb16137225217a5626108801a4fc2ed940382000204f8633aa378@%3Cdev.heron.apache.org%3E > > > >> >> -Bertrand >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Heron Grant Status & Monthly Reporting
I believe the code in question is code imported from other projects (e.g. Apache Storm) which was not written by employees of Twitter. On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 1:05 PM Dave Fisher wrote: > Hi - > > Isn't the question of copyright between Twitter and the author. Isn't it > likely that the author was working for hire which means that Twitter does > have copyright? If there is a question here then isn't this a question for > legal-discuss@? > > Regards, > Dave > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 15, 2017, at 9:28 AM, John D. Ament > wrote: > > > > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:25 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < > > bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 3:09 AM, John D. Ament > >> wrote: > >>> ...I'd like to understand why Heron is inclined to do a SGA rather > >>> than ICLAs > >> > >> IANAL but my understanding is that the software is donated by its > >> copyright owner. > >> > >> Java files found under https://github.com/twitter/heron have a > >> "Copyright 2017 Twitter" header. > >> > >> My conclusion is that a software grant needs to be provided by Twitter. > >> > > > > The key word here is "donated." Right now there are licensing issues > > within the Heron code base that need to be resolved. However, all of the > > originally developed code is Apache License, v2. Twitter doesn't > actually > > own the copyright on all of the code (see [1] as an example), because of > > that I'm not sure a grant would actually be valid at this time. When > > they're ready to remove the twitter headers in favor of the ASF standard > > headers that would be when I expect a grant to be processed. > > > > > > [1]: > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/64bbb16137225217a5626108801a4fc2ed940382000204f8633aa378@%3Cdev.heron.apache.org%3E > > > > > > > >> > >> -Bertrand > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Discussion Forums?
The MXNet community have been discussing the possibilities of a discussion forum. I suspect I'm out of date on the topic. Has there been Incubator discussion on forums in the past few years? Are there projects running forums? Discourse seems to be the current fashion. My dated assumption is that Apache tends to be -1 to forums, but then we had Nabble eking an existence on top of our lists as a semi-forum, then StackExchange creating de facto Q&A forums; so perhaps user forums are a thing now; or perhaps folk have their user@ mailing lists integrated with discourse/stackoverflow etc? Thanks, Hen
Re: Discussion Forums?
What’s wrong with lists.apache.org as a forum? Cheers, Chris On 9/15/17, 9:26 PM, "Henri Yandell" wrote: The MXNet community have been discussing the possibilities of a discussion forum. I suspect I'm out of date on the topic. Has there been Incubator discussion on forums in the past few years? Are there projects running forums? Discourse seems to be the current fashion. My dated assumption is that Apache tends to be -1 to forums, but then we had Nabble eking an existence on top of our lists as a semi-forum, then StackExchange creating de facto Q&A forums; so perhaps user forums are a thing now; or perhaps folk have their user@ mailing lists integrated with discourse/stackoverflow etc? Thanks, Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
