Re: Branding Guide clarification (was Re: to brand or not to brand?)

[robert burrell donkin]

On 5/26/07, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 5/26/07, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do you have a suggestion as to how it should read?

I would shift a bit within the sentences, so that the things that are
permitted get their own section. something like the following:

[...]
A Podling and affiliated persons can issue press releases that
reference the Podling, but cannot issue press releases with the
specific intent of announcing the Podling. The ASF will not issue any
press releases for any podling at this stage. However, the Public
Relations Committee MUST review any press releases by affiliated
organizations or groups to ensure they comply with these branding
guidelines.


like the wording but not sure that this is quite right

by definition only the PRC can issue official press releases for
apache. so, if a podling wants a press release then they need to talk
to the PRC.

the main issue was with third parties issuing press releases on behalf
of the podling or pre-empting the decision making process at apache.
few PR departments seem to understand the open source space.

IMHO these issues could be solved just by asking that the apache PRC
has a chance to check all PR activity by third parties related to
podlings before it's public but the majority opinion at the time was
that stronger measures were needed.


A Podling can conduct informal PR activities without having to go
through the PRC. Examples of informal PR activities are media
outreach, blog publicity, technical articles, etc. The article may use
Apache  in such articles, provided the incubation status is
mentioned: "Apache Foo, currently incubating at the Apache Software
Foundation, can be used to bar the foo. In this article we will show
how to use Foo to accelerate the development of bars and..."
[...]


wording is fine

IMHO informal and unofficial PR is great - the main problem is
accuracy. accurate PR work sympathetic PR is no problem at all. apache
isn't good at PR and we have real issues correcting inaccurate PR
which is pushed by a professional department. the press tends to
believe corporations, not apache.


Of course, I am very open to suggestions to make this better, shorter
or completely different.

> The prohibition is on 'formal' press releases surrounding the fact
> that it incubated - but it's certainly okay to write articles and
> stuff - just make sure that it says it's under incubation, blah, blah.

That is what I figured. Thanks for the clarification.


+1

- robert

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Re: Whose votes are binding

[Martijn Dashorst]

FYI

Gianugo Rabellino and Martin van der Bemt are also missing on the
generated page.

I found these because I was counting the binding votes on the Wicket
graduation thread. I haven't performed a complete synchronization.

(must come up with a script to check the names automatically)

So the definitive guide is the board/committee-info.txt and svn group,
whoweare.html are not?

Martijn

On 4/28/07, Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Apr 28, 2007, at 3:13 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:

> On 4/28/07, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > ...http://people.apache.org/~jim/projects.html#incubator-pmc
>>
>> If so, it is either not generated recently or the 'official list'
>> is wrong.
>> Both me and Craig Russell are missing
>
> I just checked https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/
> board/committee-info.txt,
> both you and Craig Russell are listed as Incubator PMC members.
>

My page is based on SVN info. Although members of the IPMC,
it appears you were not added to the Incubator SVN group.
No doubt, someone forgot to do that, and you haven't tried any
thing that required incubator-pmc access.

Fixed.


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Re: to brand or not to brand?

[robert burrell donkin]

On 5/22/07, Xavier Hanin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 5/22/07, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 22 May 2007 17:21, Xavier Hanin wrote:





> > So, any recommendation or link?
>
> All public announcements should be run through the PRC, to ensure accuracy.
> So, I suggest that you post your article ahead of time to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
for
> comment and approvals. If they say Yes, you are in the clear and won't get
> any bad comments later if there are something incorrect mentioned.
Ok I wasn't aware of the PRC, and I'm still in trouble to get accurate
information, google only told me about a few mailing list archive
about the Public Relations Committee.


there's something wonderful about the apache public relations
committee keeping such a low profile :-)

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Re: Whose votes are binding

[robert burrell donkin]

On 5/27/07, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

FYI

Gianugo Rabellino and Martin van der Bemt are also missing on the
generated page.

I found these because I was counting the binding votes on the Wicket
graduation thread. I haven't performed a complete synchronization.

(must come up with a script to check the names automatically)

So the definitive guide is the board/committee-info.txt and svn group,
whoweare.html are not?


yep

- robert

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[VOTE] Approve Tuscany Java SCA 0.90 release

[ant elder]

IPMCers, the Apache Tuscany project asks your permission to release the
Tuscany Java SCA 0.90-incubating release.

The tuscany-dev list vote for the release passed with 7 +1s:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg18279.html

The artifacts, including the binary and source distributions, the RAT
reports, and the Maven staging repository, are available for review at:
http://people.apache.org/~antelder/tuscany/0.90-rc2/

The SVN tag for the release is:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/tuscany/tags/java/sca/0.90-incubating/

Many thanks,

  ...ant

[VOTE][RESULT] Graduate Apache Wicket from the incubator

[Martijn Dashorst]

The Wicket graduation vote passed with 13 binding +1 votes, no
non-binding, 0 or -1's. I hope the 13 votes will not spell doom for
our project: the new word for today is Triskaidekaphobia [1]

I will send a message to the board to consider the recommendation at
the next board meeting.

The following votes were recorded +1 in favor of recommending to the
board that Wicket be graduated to a Top Level Project. Please see the
vote thread at [2] starting with [3].

* Niclas Hedhman (IPMC)
* Don Brown (IPMC)
* Bertrand Delacretaz (IPMC, mentor)
* Upayavira (IPMC, mentor)
* Carsten Ziegeler (IPMC)
* Leo Simons (IPMC)
* Justin Erenkrantz (IPMC)
* Alex Karasulu (IPMC, mentor)
* Craig L. Russell (IPMC)
* Robert Burell Donkin (IPMC)
* Martin van den Bemt (IPMC)
* Jean T. Anderson (IPMC)
* Gianugo Rabellino (IPMC)

I want to thank everyone for their vote and especially our mentors!

Martijn Dashorst

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triskaidekaphobia
[2] 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200705.mbox/thread?1
[3] 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200705.mbox/[EMAIL 
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Sending proposal to board: how to?

[Martijn Dashorst]

The graduation guide is a bit vague and incomplete on one point:
sending the resolution to the board.

It is mentioned in the process description to send a message to the
board (to board@), but there are of course no example messages to be
found (board@ is not public).

It would be nice to add the board@ list from the process description
to the graduation guide (which I'll do soon), and perhaps mention a
typical message that can be an inspiration for other Podlings.

However, for proposing graduation to the IPMC a lot of templates are
available, as anyone can search the general@ list for [vote]
graduation. Are such templates, or guidelines for communicating with
the board available?

In its bare essentials I could just send the resolution to board@, but
I think that gives the board a bit too much to dig through (what is
that podling?, did the IPMC vote, are all status check marks checked?,
etc). Of course these would be covered by the IPMC, however I can
imagine that a member of the board at least wants to check what the
project is.

Martijn

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Re: Sending proposal to board: how to?

[Davanum Srinivas]

Please check the board minutes: last i can see is for ActiveMQ

http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2007/board_minutes_2007_01_17.txt

thanks,
dims

On 5/27/07, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The graduation guide is a bit vague and incomplete on one point:
sending the resolution to the board.

It is mentioned in the process description to send a message to the
board (to board@), but there are of course no example messages to be
found (board@ is not public).

It would be nice to add the board@ list from the process description
to the graduation guide (which I'll do soon), and perhaps mention a
typical message that can be an inspiration for other Podlings.

However, for proposing graduation to the IPMC a lot of templates are
available, as anyone can search the general@ list for [vote]
graduation. Are such templates, or guidelines for communicating with
the board available?

In its bare essentials I could just send the resolution to board@, but
I think that gives the board a bit too much to dig through (what is
that podling?, did the IPMC vote, are all status check marks checked?,
etc). Of course these would be covered by the IPMC, however I can
imagine that a member of the board at least wants to check what the
project is.

Martijn

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Re: Sending proposal to board: how to?

[Niall Pemberton]

On 5/27/07, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The graduation guide is a bit vague and incomplete on one point:
sending the resolution to the board.

It is mentioned in the process description to send a message to the
board (to board@), but there are of course no example messages to be
found (board@ is not public).

It would be nice to add the board@ list from the process description
to the graduation guide (which I'll do soon), and perhaps mention a
typical message that can be an inspiration for other Podlings.

However, for proposing graduation to the IPMC a lot of templates are
available, as anyone can search the general@ list for [vote]
graduation. Are such templates, or guidelines for communicating with
the board available?

In its bare essentials I could just send the resolution to board@, but
I think that gives the board a bit too much to dig through (what is
that podling?, did the IPMC vote, are all status check marks checked?,
etc). Of course these would be covered by the IPMC, however I can
imagine that a member of the board at least wants to check what the
project is.


I think you just need to send the resolution with a note attached
indicating that the IPMC has voted for Wicket to graduate (with link
to the relevant vote thread) and a request to include it for
consideration at the next board meeting. Probably a good idea to cc
this list - so that people here know that you've sent it - then if it
gets stuck in moderation or it for some reason doesn't get put on the
agenda someone can chase it up for you.

Niall


Martijn


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