Re: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeansproject )
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: IMHO it depends on what the incubator PMC does. If they *do* create the lists and the such then maybe they should set policy (meaning telling other people what do do == policy). If they rely on the XML project and the XMLBeans folks to do things then they should allow the XML project and XMLBeans folks to set their own policy. Which is one of the things I'm having problems grappling with at the moment. Exactly what are the responsibilities of the various parties in this process? Incubator PMC? Incubator team? (Is there such a thing?) Sponsoring Project PMC? Shepherd? New project? Tell me what I need to do, and I'll do it. It's extremely frustrating to be in a situation where there is no clear direction, except to be told what you can't do when it's suggested. To be fair - that's a little heavy handed, particularly coming from an interested bystander. But (as Aaron notes in a later e-mail) this is a fairly trivial thing. If getting something trivial sorted out is this difficult, it doesn't do much for one's confidence. Cheers, Berin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmlbeans project
On 24 Jul 2003 07:17:38 +0200 "Andreas Kuckartz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So incubator folks, what is the correct policy here? > > Lenya is also incubated @cocoon.apache.org and not @incubator.apache.org > > I do not see much sense in moving mailing lists arround. Please avoid > such needless work. > > Cheers, > Andreas +1. (I am not PMC though ;-) Moving Mailing List Address requires a lot of *energy*. (as well as CVS, ML-Archive, Annoucements, etc.) I can easily show you all up some examples of jakarta. OJB and Torque were all listed as previous addresses, before I performed surgery on jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/mail2.xml in this month. Poor, miserable newbies might wander off in Jakarta desert... I can imagine easily ;-) Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeansproject )
Berin Lautenbach wrote, On 25/07/2003 9.07: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: IMHO it depends on what the incubator PMC does. If they *do* create the lists and the such then maybe they should set policy (meaning telling other people what do do == policy). If they rely on the XML project and the XMLBeans folks to do things then they should allow the XML project and XMLBeans folks to set their own policy. I am frutrated too, but I'm not ranting. Sorry, but it does not help anyone to start ranting. You know how much time sometimes is needed to take decisions in project, and the Incubator is a project itself. Which is one of the things I'm having problems grappling with at the moment. Exactly what are the responsibilities of the various parties in this process? It's simple: The Incubator PMC is responsible for the project. All others (can) help. ... Tell me what I need to do, and I'll do it. http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/STATUS?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/projects/ I'll try to update the site docs ASAP. Please be patient, we need help. -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re:xmlbeans project )
On 7/25/03 7:46 AM, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's simple: > > The Incubator PMC is responsible for the project. All others (can) help. > No this is difference than in the past. Remember the Incubator is here to help and its OUR responsibility to incubate? Its sounding like the incubator stands over and tells folks what to do not only in helpful ways but in details too. > ... >> Tell me what I need to do, and I'll do it. > > http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/STATUS?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/ > vnd.viewcvs-markup > http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/projects/ > > I'll try to update the site docs ASAP. > > Please be patient, we need help. -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeansproject )
Andrew C. Oliver wrote, On 25/07/2003 14.05: On 7/25/03 7:46 AM, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's simple: The Incubator PMC is responsible for the project. All others (can) help. No this is difference than in the past. Remember the Incubator is here to help and its OUR responsibility to incubate? Its sounding like the incubator stands over and tells folks what to do not only in helpful ways but in details too. Responsible means responsible, nothing less, nothing more. Don't confuse responsibility with micro-management. -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeans project )
> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 3:48 PM > Since IMHO this has been already discussed enough and different POVs > remain, I ask for a vote on the following. > > What should we use as a policy in creating resources for incubating > projects? > > [ ] project-subproject CVS > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm 0 on both suggestions. Go with this one for now*. And lets not delay kicking off a project for this for too long. Is someone already preparing account requests, mailinglist requests, cvs module requests etc, for the Infrastructure team to handle? Sander *) Even if it doesn't work for TLPs. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeans project )
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:14:04 +0200 "Sander Striker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [ ] project-subproject CVS > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I'm 0 on both suggestions. Go with this one for now*. And lets not > delay kicking off a project for this for too long. applause!! > Is someone already preparing account requests, mailinglist requests, > cvs module requests etc, for the Infrastructure team to handle? I am not a committer of the xmlbeans project, however, I am willing to volunteer the remote moderation of mailing lists. (please devote all of your energy to what you can do! > xmlbeans folks) Okay? Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeans project )
On 25/07/2003, at 02:40, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:14:04 +0200 "Sander Striker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm 0 on both suggestions. Go with this one for now*. And lets not delay kicking off a project for this for too long. applause!! Okay, I'm fine with this for now, but without an explicitly stated policy this discussion will come up every time a project arrives at the incubator. We definitely need a policy here, IMHO! Is someone already preparing account requests, mailinglist requests, cvs module requests etc, for the Infrastructure team to handle? Ted already requested the creation of the relevant mailing lists and CVS modules and exactly this request brought up this discussion another time :) see below... Cheers, Erik On 23/07/2003, at 01:24, Ted Leung wrote: Dear root, The XML pmc has agreed to accept the XMLBean project for incubation. To aid in the process: please create the xml-xmlbeans CVS and the following mailing lists: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also please setup mailing list archiving in Eyebrowse Thanks, Ted - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeans project )
On 25/07/2003, at 02:05, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: On 7/25/03 7:46 AM, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's simple: The Incubator PMC is responsible for the project. All others (can) help. No this is difference than in the past. Remember the Incubator is here to help and its OUR responsibility to incubate? Its sounding like the incubator stands over and tells folks what to do not only in helpful ways but in details too. There is no difference at all. The Incubator is like every other project: PMC => oversight and responsibility (long term direction) Contributors/Comitterhship => help, day-to-day work and ideas ;-) Cheers, Erik - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeans project )
> From: Erik Abele [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 3:18 PM [...] > Okay, I'm fine with this for now, but without an explicitly stated > policy this discussion will come up every time a project arrives at the > incubator. We definitely need a policy here, IMHO! I agree. I just didn't want it to be the bottleneck. >>> Is someone already preparing account requests, mailinglist requests, >>> cvs module requests etc, for the Infrastructure team to handle? > > Ted already requested the creation of the relevant mailing lists and > CVS modules and exactly this request brought up this discussion another > time :) see below... Ah, dear root and all ;). It may be wise to reissue the request, this time to infrastructure@, with the appropiate CC's, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], as before. There's only a handful of roots, and only a subset of those have a black belt in ezmlm-fu. infrastructure@ reaches a slightly wider audience improving the chances of swift handling of the request. Sander - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeans project )
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:17:45 +0200 Erik Abele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 25/07/2003, at 02:40, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:14:04 +0200 "Sander Striker" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I'm 0 on both suggestions. Go with this one for now*. And lets not > >> delay kicking off a project for this for too long. > > applause!! > Okay, I'm fine with this for now, but without an explicitly stated > policy this discussion will come up every time a project arrives at the > incubator. We definitely need a policy here, IMHO! applause!! (again) > On 23/07/2003, at 01:24, Ted Leung wrote: > > > Dear root, > > > > The XML pmc has agreed to accept the XMLBean project for incubation. > > To aid in the process: > > > > please create the xml-xmlbeans CVS and the following mailing lists: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Also please setup mailing list archiving in Eyebrowse > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ted I think the request to infrastructure team should be explained more in details. (infrastructure team = [EMAIL PROTECTED]) <> The XXX pmc has agreed to accept the YYY project for incubation. To aid in the process, Please create these below: [1] Mailing List (i) addresses I. [EMAIL PROTECTED] II. [EMAIL PROTECTED] III. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ii) remote moderator .(e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED]) (iii) archive mbox I. http://xml.apache.org/mail/xmlbeans/dev/MM.gz II.http://xml.apache.org/mail/xmlbeans/user/MM.gz III. http://xml.apache.org/mail/xmlbeans/cvs/MM.gz (iv) option I. Reply-To: Header [X] yes [ ] no II. Prefix in Subject [ ] yes [X] no III. eyebrowse [X] yes [ ] no IV. Message Trailer[X] yes [ ] no =(CUT HERE)== - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Apache XMLBeans -- URL: http://xml.apache.org/xmlbeans/ =(END)=== [2] CVS Module name: xml-xmlbeans [3] Initial list members [EMAIL PROTECTED] (list up all the committers and mentoring members now) ... ... [4] Bugzilla ... How about this? Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeans project )
Aaron Bannert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 07:23 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > IMHO it depends on what the incubator PMC does. If they *do* create > > the > > lists and the such then maybe they should set policy (meaning telling > > other > > people what do do == policy). If they rely on the XML project and the > > XMLBeans folks to do things then they should allow the XML project and > > XMLBeans folks to set their own policy. > > > I agree. If a new project already has a prospective home, and that > PMC wants the mailing lists and CVS in their namespace, then go for > it. If a project has no prospective home, or the hopeful home's PMC > isn't totally on board yet, then they can always have @incubator. I agree. -Fitz, who wants it on the record that he's agreeing with Andy. :-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeans project )
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:27:13 +0900 Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > <> > > > > The XXX pmc has agreed to accept the YYY project for incubation. > To aid in the process, > Please create these below: > > [1] Mailing List > (i) addresses > I. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > II. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > III. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (ii) remote moderator > .(e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > (iii) archive > mbox > I. http://xml.apache.org/mail/xmlbeans/dev/MM.gz > II.http://xml.apache.org/mail/xmlbeans/user/MM.gz > III. http://xml.apache.org/mail/xmlbeans/cvs/MM.gz > > (iv) option > I. Reply-To: Header [X] yes [ ] no > II. Prefix in Subject [ ] yes [X] no > III. eyebrowse [X] yes [ ] no > IV. Message Trailer[X] yes [ ] no > =(CUT HERE)== > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The Apache XMLBeans -- URL: http://xml.apache.org/xmlbeans/ > =(END)=== > > > [2] CVS Module > > name: xml-xmlbeans > > [3] Initial list members > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (list up all the committers and mentoring members now) > ... > ... > > [4] Bugzilla > > ... > > Rather, The xml pmc has agreed to accept the xmlbeans project for incubation. To aid in the process, Please create these below: [1] Mailing List (i) addresses I. [EMAIL PROTECTED] II. [EMAIL PROTECTED] III. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ii) remote moderators .(e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED]) (iii) archives mbox I. http://xml.apache.org/mail/xmlbeans/dev/MM.gz II.http://xml.apache.org/mail/xmlbeans/user/MM.gz III. http://xml.apache.org/mail/xmlbeans/cvs/MM.gz (iv) options I. Reply-To: Header [X] yes [ ] no NOTE: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] II. Prefix in Subject [ ] yes [X] no III. Eyebrowse [X] yes [ ] no IV. Moderation Message [X] short [ ] long V. Message Trailer[X] yes [ ] no (a). [EMAIL PROTECTED] =(CUT HERE)== - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apache XMLBeans Project -- URL: http://xml.apache.org/xmlbeans/ =(END)=== (b). [EMAIL PROTECTED] =(CUT HERE)== - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apache XMLBeans Project -- URL: http://xml.apache.org/xmlbeans/ =(END)=== (c). [EMAIL PROTECTED] =(CUT HERE)== - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] =(END)=== [2] CVS Module /home/cvs/xml-xmlbeans/ /home/cvspublic/xml-xmlbeans/ [3] Initial list members [EMAIL PROTECTED] (list up all the committers and mentoring members now) ... ... [4] Bugzilla URL: http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?product=xmlbeans [5] Other Mail Archives 1) Mail-Archive http://www.mail-archive.com/ 2) Geocrawler http://geocrawler.com/ 3) Mailing list Archives http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ (Do it by ourselves) (This is a :-) Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
