Re: FVWM: FVWM on a high density screen -> FvwmForm
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020, Dan Espen wrote: Lucio Chiappetti writes: Yes, it's called Regina, and is required if one wants to use THE (The Hessling Editor) as editor, which is a very good Unix clone of the IBM VM/CMS XEDIT editor. I remember XEDIT, from a shop that was using CMS for a while. I started it up and it looked like hell. Most distracting was a column scale right across the middle of the screen. Fortunately, I didn't run away and hide. (SET) SCALE OFF (better if in one's profile) the scale is generally annoying, but can be useful if one is editing a very wide file and wants to limit visibility and/or editing to columns n-m (SET VERIFY n m) ... what other editors off the possibility to limit editing to columns or sets of lines with or without a given pattern or to select and remove entire columns ? I gave it another try and found all the hooks and toggles to customize it to my liking Yes, it is in my list of favourite easily user-customizable s/w (like THE, fvwm, alpine ...)
Re: FVWM: FVWM on a high density screen -> FvwmForm
Lucio Chiappetti writes: > On Sat, 15 Aug 2020, Dan Espen wrote: >> Lucio Chiappetti writes: > >>> Yes, it's called Regina, and is required if one wants to use THE (The >>> Hessling Editor) as editor, which is a very good Unix clone of the IBM >>> VM/CMS XEDIT editor. > >> I remember XEDIT, from a shop that was using CMS for a while. >> I started it up and it looked like hell. >> Most distracting was a column scale right across the middle of the >> screen. Fortunately, I didn't run away and hide. > > (SET) SCALE OFF (better if in one's profile) > > the scale is generally annoying, but can be useful if one is editing > a very wide file and wants to limit visibility and/or editing to > columns n-m (SET VERIFY n m) ... what other editors off the possibility > to limit editing to columns or sets of lines with or without a given > pattern or to select and remove entire columns ? ISPF edit. I don't remember XEDIT well (1978), but I think the 2 editors are very close. I never fooled with any of the ISPF like editors for Windows but I suppose SPFLite would do the job well. Of course it's well known that it's impossible to name an edit feature that Emacs doesn't have. :) I can't remember if I moved the scale or just turned it off. Speaking of scales, I remember when I started using an early version of Emacs on an HP terminal. The HP terminal had a pretty extensive line drawing character set. I set up a scale that looked exactly like a ruler across the top of the screen. numbers, line graduations, and a box around the whole thing. That was to be able to edit MVS Assembler and be able to see col 10, 16, 72. >> I gave it another try and found all the hooks and toggles to customize >> it to my liking > > Yes, it is in my list of favourite easily user-customizable s/w (like > THE, fvwm, alpine ...) Ah, another Fvwm fan. I think it's interesting that the appearance of my Fvwm desktop hasn't changed since I submitted my original screen shot in 2003: https://www.fvwm.org/Archive/Screenshots/2003-08-28_Dan-desk-1280x1024/screenshot.gif Well, I narrowed down the borders and tiled the menus with that blue pixmap on the borders. Other than that, I do not have to suffer with my desktop changing based on the disto's whims of the month. -- Dan Espen
Re: FVWM: FVWM on a high density screen -> FvwmForm
On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 08:39:08AM -0400, Dan Espen wrote: ... > ISPF edit. > I don't remember XEDIT well (1978), but I think the 2 editors are very close. not really (aside from running on the same hardware). for your amusement https://invisible-island.net/personal/oldprogs.html#y1982 -- Thomas E. Dickey https://invisible-island.net ftp://ftp.invisible-island.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: FVWM: FVWM on a high density screen -> XEDIT vs ISPF edit
Thomas Dickey writes: > On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 08:39:08AM -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > ... >> ISPF edit. >> I don't remember XEDIT well (1978), but I think the 2 editors are very close. > > not really (aside from running on the same hardware). > > for your amusement > > https://invisible-island.net/personal/oldprogs.html#y1982 Interesting but I don't see where it shows great differences between the two. I see XEDIT uses the M/MM convention like ISPF Edit. Commands on the command line or over the sequence numbers. Similar shift commands. I see some commands are quite different words doing similar things. and some the same. The screens themselves can look very similar. I wrote loads of ISPF edit macros. "G" for "ex all" followed by "find all Y", "!s" for a spelling checker. "CC" for compile. While I was working on S/34 and later Wang/VS I wrote an ISPF like full screen editor. It may seem perverse, but I wrote the editor in COBOL. Worked out quite well. I didn't know you were a mainframer too. Cool. -- Dan Espen
Re: FVWM: FVWN on a high density System76 screen
On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 07:25:36PM -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > A few years ago I spent a couple of days trying to make FvwmForm and > FvwmScript use shared code to create their widgets. Unfortunately, > the French comments in FvwmScript defeated my attempts to understand > what goes on in FvwmScript. Well, thanks to Jean Eimer who deftly submitted a PR to Fvwm3, all the comments in FvwmScript have now been translated from French to English. See: https://github.com/fvwmorg/fvwm3/commit/873f5c9af9cb05582fb13a44d5d3c49062ee0d35 I presume Jean is reading the list, so thanks again! Kindly, Thomas
Re: FVWM: FVWM on a high density screen -> XEDIT vs ISPF edit
On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 09:33:58AM -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > Thomas Dickey writes: > > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 08:39:08AM -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > > ... > >> ISPF edit. > >> I don't remember XEDIT well (1978), but I think the 2 editors are very > >> close. > > > > not really (aside from running on the same hardware). > > > > for your amusement > > > > https://invisible-island.net/personal/oldprogs.html#y1982 > > Interesting but I don't see where it shows great differences between the > two. I suppose it depends on how you used the tools. ISPF had certain things that it could do, and (possibly the systems programs could alter it), as a user/developer on the system, I couldn't do that. But XEDIT was easy to program. Your comment reminds me that it may have been possible to run user-defined commands from the line-prefix. But I didn't do that - most of my macros/scripts were designed to be run via function-key (and using the cursor position). There weren't enough function-keys, so one of my scripts used F12 to page through the macros that I wanted to use (like pine, which I encountered 10-15 years later). > I see XEDIT uses the M/MM convention like ISPF Edit. Commands on the > command line or over the sequence numbers. Similar shift > commands. I see some commands are quite different words doing similar > things. and some the same. The screens themselves can look very similar. > > I wrote loads of ISPF edit macros. "G" for "ex all" followed by "find all Y", > "!s" for a spelling checker. "CC" for compile. > > While I was working on S/34 and later Wang/VS I wrote an ISPF like > full screen editor. It may seem perverse, but I wrote the editor > in COBOL. Worked out quite well. > > I didn't know you were a mainframer too. I haven't programmed in COBOL though. When I used VM/CMS, that was in CHILL (batch-compiling, etc), though the XEDIT and EXEC2 stuff amounted about the same number of lines... > Cool. > > -- > Dan Espen > -- Thomas E. Dickey https://invisible-island.net ftp://ftp.invisible-island.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
