Re: [Freesurfer] qdec analysis and covariates

2013-09-23 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Hi, I have a question related to this post. Besides an age-group
interaction, wouldn't it also be neccesary to check for an age-gender
interaction?
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Re: [Freesurfer] qdec analysis and covariates

2013-09-23 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Oh, I meant to reply to an older post, but that didn't work
apparently. Below the original post.

This person does a group analysis, with gender and age as
covariates.You adviced to first do a DODS and look for a age-by-group
interaction. If there's no interaction, he/she could continue with
DOSS. My questions is (since I'm doing a similar analysis) whether
it's also necesary to check for a age-by-gender interaction?
Or is this not important since gender is a covariate instead of an
independent variable?

Thanks!

Anita

Douglas N Greve Mon, 29 Nov 2010 07:27:30 -0800

Yes, that looks fine. The only other thing to decide is whether to use
DODS (different offset different slope) or DOSS (different offset same
slope).  The default is DODS, but if you don't think that there is an
age-by-group interaction, then you can get more power using DOSS. If you
use DODS, then you should probably de-mean the ages (ie, subtract the
grand mean age over all subjects from the age of each individual).
doug

Roser Sala wrote:
Hi,

We are doing a group analysis using qdec with two groups, and we would
like to include gender and age as covariates.

Which is the best option in order to perform a simple t-test
(group1>group2 and group2>group1) and including the two covariates?
(we would like them to have 'zero' weighting in the contrast matrix)

We realized that if we include 'age' as a continous factor in the
dialog, qdec is performing rather an interaction analysis than a
covariate.

So, would it be ok to include group and gender as fixed factors and
age as nuisance, and then select the output as 'Does the average
thickness accounting for gender differ between group1 and group2' (age
as nuisance variable)?
By checking all the possibilities this seemed the best option for us,
but we would like to get a confirmation that we are doing it right.

Many thanks

Roser
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[Freesurfer] DOSS contrast - one group, 3 covariates

2013-10-04 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Hi everyone,

I want to analyze with DOSS the relationship between performance on a
cognitive task (called '15wt') and cortical thickness, in one group,
controlling for the effects for age, gender and education. As a
Freesurfer-newbie, it be would really great if someone could check my .sfgd
file and contrast.

.sfgd file:
GroupDescriptorFile 1
Class .00 plus blue (this is the gender part)
Class 1.00 plus red
Variables 15_wt Age Edu
Input 0050 .00 52 73 4
Input 0051 .00 38 68 5
Input 0054 1.00 35 57 4
Input 0060 1.00 46 58 6
Input 0062 1.00 46 45 5
etc.

contrast:
0 0 .5 0 0

Is this correct? Thanks in advance!

Anita
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Re: [Freesurfer] DOSS contrast - one group, 3 covariates

2013-10-07 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Thank you Doug!
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[Freesurfer] MRISread error

2013-11-05 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Hi everyone,

I run into an error when I try to do the tutorial on ROI group analysis. I
downloaded the tutorial set, but did not put it into
FREESURFER_HOME/subjects, because my computer doesn't allow it. I made my
own folder and copied everything in there. The error arises when I try to
map a label from the fsaverage subject to a target subject:

 mri_label2label \
>   --srcsubject fsaverage \
>   --srclabel fsaverage/label/lh.BA45.label \
>   --trgsubject 004 \
>   --trglabel 004/label/lh.BA45.label \
>   --hemi lh \
>   --regmethod surface

srclabel = fsaverage/label/lh.BA45.label
srcsubject = fsaverage
trgsubject = 004
trglabel = 004/label/lh.BA45.label
regmethod = surface

srchemi = lh
trghemi = lh
trgsurface = white
srcsurfreg = sphere.reg
trgsurfreg = sphere.reg
usehash = 1
Use ProjAbs  = 0, 0
Use ProjFrac = 0, 0
DoPaint 0

SUBJECTS_DIR
 
Desktop/anita-vumc/anitapddatabase-freesurfer/buckner_data/tutorial_subjs/group_analysis_tutorial
FREESURFER_HOME /usr/local/freesurfer
Loading source label.
Found 3422 points in source label.
Starting surface-based mapping
Reading source registration
 
Desktop/anita-vumc/anitapddatabase-freesurfer/buckner_data/tutorial_subjs/group_analysis_tutorial/fsaverage/surf/lh.sphere.reg
MRISread(Desktop/anita-vumc/anitapddatabase-freesurfer/buckner_data/tutorial_subjs/group_analysis_tutorial/fsaverage/surf/lh.sphere.reg):
could not open file
No such file or directory
ERROR: could not read
Desktop/anita-vumc/anitapddatabase-freesurfer/buckner_data/tutorial_subjs/group_analysis_tutorial/fsaverage/surf/lh.sphere.reg

In related posts I read that it might have to do with the creation of
symbolic links. I made sure that in my SUBJECTS_DIR, fsaverage is a
symbolic link to my FREESURFER_HOME/subjects directory, in which
surf/lh.sphere.reg etc are stored. What am I doing wrong? Does it still
have to do with the fact that I put the tutorial data in another folder?

Hope you can help me,

Thanks in advance,

Anita
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Re: [Freesurfer] MRISread error

2013-11-07 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
It finally worked! Thank you so much Louis. My SUBJECTS_DIR was pointing to
a folder within my TUTORIAL_DATA directory (I thought it was supposed to be
like that when I read the instructions), but now they point to the same
folder and it works. Thanks again!

Anita
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[Freesurfer] MNI305 to MNI152 coordinates

2013-11-12 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Dear FreeSurfers,

I have a question regarding conversion from MNI152 coordinates to MNI305
coordinates. I want to take ROIs from a VBM study and use these exact same
ROIs in my vertexwise analysis. So I need to translate the x, y, z
coordinates from MNI152 space into MNI305 space. In previous posts, I found
a matrix that converts from MNI305 coordinates to MNI152:

M = [0.9975   -0.00730.0176   -0.0429
0.01461.0009   -0.00241.5496
   -0.0130   -0.00930.99711.1840
0001.]
P305 = [MNI305x MNI305y MNI305z 1]';
P152 = M*P305

However, I want to do it the other way around. I tried to calculate the
inverse matrix but haven't succeeded. Does anyone have (or know how to
create) the matrix/formula I need?

It would be very helpful, thanks in advance.

Anita
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Re: [Freesurfer] MNI305 to MNI152 coordinates

2013-11-14 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
It worked, thanks. I tried to invert it but the coordinates didn't fully
correspond; I must have made an error. Thanks for helping me out!
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[Freesurfer] RAS, MNI305, Talairach, MNI-Talairach?

2013-11-18 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Hi all,

I find myself getting quite confused about different coordinates systems.
Is the following correct (when viewing in TkSurfer):

RAS=MNI Talairach=MNI305 (they are all the same?)
Talairach= (non linear) conversion from MNI305

Thanks,

Anita
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[Freesurfer] Volume-defined ROI 'gone' after vol2surf

2013-11-24 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Hi all,

I want to measure cortical thickness in 7 volume-defined ROIs (created in
Marsbar). I followed the tutorial
http://freesurfer.net/fswiki/VolumeRoiCorticalThickness. When I want to
visualize my surface-based ROI after mri_vol2surf, for some reason ROI 6
and 7 do not appear in tksurfer (and with segstats, no segmentation is
found). FreeSurfer does not seem to give any error message:

$ mri_vol2surf --mov ~/Desktop/anita-vumc/7Rmidtempgyrus.nii --reg
avg152T1_to_fsaverage.dat --projdist-max 0 1 0.1 --interp nearest --hemi rh
--out rh.fsaverage.7Rmidtempgyrus.mgh --reshape

srcvol = /home/guest/Desktop/anita-vumc/7Rmidtempgyrus.nii
srcreg = avg152T1_to_fsaverage.dat
srcregold = 0
srcwarp unspecified
surf = white
hemi = rh
ProjDist = 0.5
reshape = 1
interp = nearest
float2int = round
GetProjMax = 1
INFO: float2int code = 0
Done loading volume
Reading surface
/data1/projects/ysbrand-vumc/pddatabase-freesurfer/fsaverage/surf/rh.white
Done reading source surface
Mapping Source Volume onto Source Subject Surface
 1 0 0 1
using old
 2 0.1 0 1
using old
 3 0.2 0 1
using old
 4 0.3 0 1
using old
 5 0.4 0 1
using old
 6 0.5 0 1
using old
 7 0.6 0 1
using old
 8 0.7 0 1
using old
 9 0.8 0 1
using old
10 0.9 0 1
using old
Done mapping volume to surface
Number of source voxels hit = 21723
Reshaping 7 (nvertices = 163842)
Writing to rh.fsaverage.7Rmidtempgyrus.mgh
Dim: 23406 1 7

Does anyone have an idea about what might have gone wrong?

Thanks!
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[Freesurfer] Cortical thickness/surface area in volume-defined ROIs

2013-11-29 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Dear Freesurfer experts,

I want to use volume-defined ROIs (obtained in a VBM study) to extract mean
thickness and surface area, in a total group of 138 participants. I
followed the tutorial 'Cortical Thickness of a volume-defined ROI'. I have
a few questions regarding this analysis:

1. The volume-defined ROI (i.e. orange dot) appears normal on my avg152_T1
and fsaverage. After the vol2surf-step, however, a few problems arise. The
new ROIs look very different: one ROI actually consists of two clusters
close to each other, one is very small and two ROIs have completely
disappeared. Does anyone know why this happened?

2. When I want to obtain surface area data instead of thickness data, is it
sufficient to replace 'thickness'  with 'area' in the surf2surf command (it
seems to work, but I want to check)? So:
--sval lh.area \
--tval lh.area.fsaverage.mgh \

3. mri_segstats creates separate files for each ROI in each participant.
When I want to have all thickness and area ROI data in one file, can I use
asegstats2table, meas mean (it seems to work, but I want to check)?

Any help would be very much appreciated!

Anita
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Re: [Freesurfer] Cortical thickness/surface area in volume-defined ROIs

2013-11-29 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Hi Rujing Zha,

Click this link: http://freesurfer.net/fswiki/VolumeRoiCorticalThickness

Anita
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Re: [Freesurfer] Cortical thickness/surface area in volume-defined ROIs

2013-12-02 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Hi Bruce,

Thank you for your response. Now at least I know what went wrong; I'll
try your solution.

Thanks!

Anita
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[Freesurfer] Pial surface area

2014-03-21 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Hi mailinglist,

I want to obtain aparc.stats for pial instead of white matter surface area.
I read that I therefore should adjust mris_anatomical_stats. However, when
I run this command separately, the following error occurs:

cannot allocate memory

Then I tried to put autorecon3 -parcstats in front in this command, but now
it says:

Flag mris_anatomical_stats unrecognized.

Any help would be greatly appreciated,

Anita
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Re: [Freesurfer] Pial surface area

2014-03-21 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Hi Bruce,

See below. Thank you!

Anita

First I tried:

*aloenhoud@somerenserver:/data1/projects/ysbrand-vumc/pddatabase-freesurfer/0050$
*mris_anatomical_stats -mgz -f stats/lh.aparc.stats -b -a
label/lh.aparc.annot -c label/aparc.annot.ctab 0050 lh pial

INFO: assuming MGZ format for volumes.
computing statistics for each annotation in label/lh.aparc.annot.
reading volume
/data1/projects/ysbrand-vumc/pddatabase-freesurfer/0050/mri/wm.mgz...
znzTAGskip: tag=1818326118, failed to calloc 541878272 bytes!

Cannot allocate memory

Then I tried the following:

*aloenhoud@somerenserver:/data1/projects/ysbrand-vumc/pddatabase-freesurfer/0050$*recon-all
-autorecon3 -subjid 0050 mris_anatomical_stats -mgz -f
stats/lh.aparc.stats -b -a label/lh.aparc.annot -c label/aparc.annot.ctab
0050 lh pial

ERROR: Flag mris_anatomical_stats unrecognized.
-autorecon3 -subjid 0050 mris_anatomical_stats -mgz -f stats/lh.aparc.stats
-b -a label/lh.aparc.annot -c label/aparc.annot.ctab 0050 lh pial
Linux somerenserver.herseninstituut.knaw.nl 2.6.32-431.5.1.el6.x86_64 #1
SMP Wed Feb 12 00:41:43 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

recon-all -s 0050 exited with ERRORS at Fri Mar 21 14:49:53 CET 2014
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Re: [Freesurfer] Pial surface area

2014-03-21 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Hi Bruce,

The wm.mgz was created a while ago with an older version, by another
student.

At the moment I use v5.3.0. Should I recreate wm.mgz with this more recent
version, or is there another option?

Thank you,

Anita
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[Freesurfer] Correction multiple comparisons for parcelated areas

2013-08-14 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Dear FreeSurfers,

I’m comparing two groups (patients (N=45) and controls (N=93)) on
cortical thickness using 34 parcelated areas in each hemisphere (i.e.
68 areas in total). When correcting for multiple comparisons using
Bonferroni, only one area remains significant. Bonferroni is quite
conservative (alpha needs to be lower than 0.05/68= 0.000735). Could
you recommend any other, more lenient correction statistics for my
data?

In a search through the literature, I encountered adjusted Bonferroni
or Benjamini-Hochberg as alternatives. Do you think these would be
useful statistics, or have I missed other, more appropriate ones?

Thanks a lot,

Anna

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[Freesurfer] Interpretation of red/blue clusters in group analysis

2013-09-12 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Hi FreeSurfers,

I'm doing an analysis with two groups: patients and controls. When I look
at "Does the average thickness differ between 1 (patients) and 2
(controls)?", I can see blue (negative) and red (positive) correlations. I
know that it means that in some cases, the patients have a higher cortical
thickness compared to the controls, and in others it's the other way
around. But which is which?

Since most of the clusters are blue, I assume that blue means: patients
have a lower cortical thickness compared to controls, and red means:
patients have a higher cortical thickness compared to controls. Is this
correct?

How does FreeSurfer decide which group to use as the 'reference group'
(i.e. the group to which the other group is compared)?

Thanks,

Anita
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[Freesurfer] Significant clusters before and after Monte Carlo

2013-09-16 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Hi all,

When I do a group analysis and check significant clusters after
performing a Monte Carlo, I see significant areas that were NOT
significant before doing a multiple comparisons correction.
Specifically, after Monte Carlo, the parstriangularis is significant,
while this area was not significant in the first place (before Monte
Carlo).

I'm confused; how could that be possible? Am I doing something wrong?

Thank you!

Anita
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Re: [Freesurfer] Significant clusters before and after Monte Carlo

2013-09-16 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Hi Doug,

Thanks for your reply. I was using 1.3 for visualization and 2 for
simulation. So that's probably where it went wrong? When I set both
thresholds to 2, significant clusters after Monte Carlo were also
there before the simulation.

Just to double-check: can the values associated with these significant
clusters be different before and after Monte Carlo? For example,
before Monte Carlo the value of the rostralmiddlefrontal was -4.42,
after Monte Carlo it's -2.19. That's normal, right?

Thanks again,

Anita
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Re: [Freesurfer] Significant clusters before and after Monte Carlo

2013-09-17 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Hi Doug,

I mean that before doing any correction, I can press 'Find Clusters
and Goto Max', which will show me clusters based on my visualisation
threshold. As far as I understood, it will go to the most significant
vertex within each cluster and display that value. So before Monte
Carlo, I found a cluster in the RMF, and the most significant vertex
in there was -4.42.

After Monte Carlo, I again see a cluster in the RMF. Now, when I again
press 'Find Clusters and Goto Max' it gives me a new value of -2.19.

I guess I have a difficulty with interpreting these 'new values' after
Monte Carlo. Do I understand correctly from your previous comment that
after this correction, they don't correspond to single vertices
anymore? If my question is too elaborate for this mailinglist, could
you recomment me some literature that might help me?

Thanks so much!

Anita
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Re: [Freesurfer] Significant clusters before and after Monte Carlo

2013-09-17 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Hi Doug,

It is finally starting to make sense to me. It was indeed the case
that before Monte Carlo, within a cluster there were different values
for each vertex, and after Monte Carlo, each vertex had the same
value. I had difficulty understanding the different functions of the
color scale min/max threshold and the vertexwise threshold. Is the
following correct:

The min/max threshold is nothing more than a visualisation threshold;
it does not change anything in subsequent analyses that are performed
(such as Monte Carlo), it just decides which results are significant
enough to be colored or opaque.

The vertexwise threshold (the one that is next to Monte Carlo) is the
one that decides which vertices should be considered in the
simulation. So a vertexwise threshold of 2 only takes vertices into
account that have a p value < 0.01.

After Monte Carlo, the min/max (visualisation) threshold now decides
which cluster wise p-values (cwp's) should be shown in color. So,
compared to before Monte Carlo, it now has a slightly different
function: it does not decide which individual vertices, but which
clusters should be colored/opaque.

One last question (if the above is correct): could one decide to set
the vertex wise threshold at 1.3 for example, and the visualisation
threshold at 2? Or do both threshold always have to be the same?

Thanks a lot for your help,

Anita
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Re: [Freesurfer] Significant clusters before and after Monte Carlo

2013-09-17 Thread Anita van Loenhoud
Great! Thank you!
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