upcoming 7.3-RELEASE: zfsloader doesn't support ZFS (doesn't link with libzfsboot)

2010-03-23 Thread Alexander Zagrebin
I have tried to build RELENG_7_3_0_RELEASE and have noticed that zfsloader
really doesn't supports ZFS due to incomplete Makefiles (LOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT
issue).
Will be this issue fixed in 7.3-RELEASE?

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Re: Can't boot after make installworld

2010-03-23 Thread alter...@gmail.com
On Monday, 22 of March 2010 23:00:17 Dan Naumov wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Krzysztof Dajka  
wrote:
> > I've read that FreeBSD kernel supports 3D acceleration in ATI R7xx
> > chipset and as I own motherboard with HD3300 built-in I thought that I
> > would give it a try. I upgraded to see if there is any progress with
> > ¿zfs? I don't really know if it's zfs related, but at certain load, my
> > system crashes, and reboots. It happens only when using bonnie++ to
> > benchmark I/O.
> 
> If you can consistently panic your 8.0 system with just bonnie++
> alone, something is really really wrong. Are you using an amd64 system
> with 2gb ram or more or is this i386 + 1-2gb ram? Amd64 systems with
> 2gb ram or more don't really usually require any tuning whatsoever
> (except for tweaking performance for a specific workload), but if this
> is i386, tuning will be generally required to archieve stability.

I have AMD64 with ~3,6G ram (rest is assigned to built-in hd3300) and 3x500GB 
in raidz1. As it's full zfs system, I'm booting from SD card. What should I 
enable in kernel to produce good crashdump?
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Re: Can't boot after make installworld

2010-03-23 Thread alter...@gmail.com
On Monday, 22 of March 2010 22:55:17 Dan Naumov wrote:
> > I've read that FreeBSD kernel supports 3D acceleration in ATI R7xx
> > chipset and as I own motherboard with HD3300 built-in I thought that I
> > would give it a try. I upgraded to see if there is any progress with
> > ¿zfs? I don't really know if it's zfs related, but at certain load, my
> > system crashes, and reboots. It happens only when using bonnie++ to
> > benchmark I/O. And I'm a little bit to lazy to prepare my system for
> > coredumps - I don't have swap slice for crashdumps, because I wanted
> > to simplify adding drives to my raidz1 configuration. Could anyone
> > tell me what's needed, besides having swap to produce good crashdump?
> 
> As of right now, even if you don't care about capability to take crash
> dumps, it is highly recommended to still use traditional swap
> partitions even if your system is otherwise fully ZFS. There are know
> stability problems involving using a ZVOL as a swap device. These
> issues are being worked on, but this is still the situation as of now.
> 
> > At first I didn't knew that I am upgrading to bleeding edge/developer
> > branch of FreeBSD.  I'll come straight out with it,  8.0-STABLE sounds
> > more stable than 8.0-RELEASE-p2, which I was running before upgrade ;)
> > I'm a little confused with FreeBSD release cycle at first I compared
> > it with Debian release cycle,  because I'm most familiar to it, and I
> > used it a lot before using FreeBSD. Debian development is more
> > one-dimensional - unstable/testing/stable/oldstable whereas FreeBSD
> > has two stable branches - 8.0 and 7.2 which are actively developed.
> > But still I am confused with FreeBSD naming and it's relation with
> > tags which are used in standard-supfile. We have something like this:
> > 9.0-CURRENT -> tag=.
> > 8.0-STABLE -> tag=RELENG_8
> > 8.0-RELEASE-p2 ->  tag=RELENG_8_0 ? (btw what does p2 mean?)
> > If someone patient could explain it to me I'd be grateful.
> 
> 9-CURRENT: the real crazyland
> 8-STABLE: a dev branch, from which 8.0 was tagged and eventually 8.1 will
>  be RELENG_8_0: 8.0-RELEASE + latest critical security and reliability
>  updates (8.0 is up to patchset #2, hence -p2)
> 
> Same line of thinking applies to 7-STABLE, 7.3-RELEASE and so on.
> 
> 
> - Sincerely,
> Dan Naumov
> 

Thanks for clarifying. I will try turning swap ASAP.
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Re: upcoming 7.3-RELEASE: zfsloader doesn't support ZFS (doesn't link with libzfsboot)

2010-03-23 Thread John Baldwin
On Tuesday 23 March 2010 3:41:06 am Alexander Zagrebin wrote:
> I have tried to build RELENG_7_3_0_RELEASE and have noticed that zfsloader
> really doesn't supports ZFS due to incomplete Makefiles (LOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT
> issue).
> Will be this issue fixed in 7.3-RELEASE?

Can you provide the output of the errors you are seeing?

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7.3-RELEASE sysinstall netDev feature

2010-03-23 Thread David Boyd
The 7.3-RELEASE release notes indicate that sysinstall now supports a list
of network interfaces in the netDev (install.cfg) parameter.

After upgrading to 7.3-RELEASE (via csup) sysinstall does not seem to
support that feature.

Also, the man page doesn't contain any mention of the new feature.

Is this the code committed by Rink Springer last October?

This feature would sure be great for our many scripted installs (avoiding
the hassles associated with plugging the cable into the wrong interface or
having the interface type change unexpectedly due to hardware swaps).

Thanks.

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Re: 7.3-RELEASE sysinstall netDev feature

2010-03-23 Thread Rink Springer
Hi David,

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:19:11PM -0400, David Boyd wrote:
> Is this the code committed by Rink Springer last October?

The code I committed (revision 198317) added support for 'netDev=ANY';
this would select the first device that has an active link.

Note that the value is case sensitive, so only using 'ANY' will work.

> This feature would sure be great for our many scripted installs (avoiding
> the hassles associated with plugging the cable into the wrong interface or
> having the interface type change unexpectedly due to hardware swaps).

What exactly happens in such a case? Is the line planly ignored? Are you
using a non-interactive install?

Regards,

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RE: upcoming 7.3-RELEASE: zfsloader doesn't support ZFS (doesn't link with libzfsboot)

2010-03-23 Thread Alexander Zagrebin
> On Tuesday 23 March 2010 3:41:06 am Alexander Zagrebin wrote:
> > I have tried to build RELENG_7_3_0_RELEASE and have noticed 
> that zfsloader
> > really doesn't supports ZFS due to incomplete Makefiles 
> (LOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT
> > issue).
> > Will be this issue fixed in 7.3-RELEASE?
> 
> Can you provide the output of the errors you are seeing?

There are no build errors.

IMHO, to support a ZFS, the loader have to be linked with the libzfsboot.
But (IMHO again) in the RELENG_7_3_0_RELEASE zfsloader builds without
this library.

To build zfsloader, the /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/zfsloader/Makefile contains
the following most important lines:

LOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT=yes
...
.include "${.CURDIR}/../loader/Makefile"

So the /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/loader/Makefile have to set required CFLAGS
and so on,
but it don't. It contains the folowing ZFS related lines:

# Set by zfsloader Makefile
#.if ${MK_ZFS} != "no"
#CFLAGS+=   -DLOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT
#LIBZFS=${.OBJDIR}/../../zfs/libzfsboot.a
#.else
LIBZFS=
#.endif

As you can see, all ZFS related stuff is commented out.
So "LOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT=yes" (/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/zfsloader/Makefile)
doesn't
affects a build process.

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Re: 7.3-RELEASE sysinstall netDev feature

2010-03-23 Thread Randi Harper
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Rink Springer  wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:19:11PM -0400, David Boyd wrote:
>> Is this the code committed by Rink Springer last October?
>
> The code I committed (revision 198317) added support for 'netDev=ANY';
> this would select the first device that has an active link.
>
> Note that the value is case sensitive, so only using 'ANY' will work.
>
>> This feature would sure be great for our many scripted installs (avoiding
>> the hassles associated with plugging the cable into the wrong interface or
>> having the interface type change unexpectedly due to hardware swaps).
>
> What exactly happens in such a case? Is the line planly ignored? Are you
> using a non-interactive install?
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Rink P.W. Springer                                - http://rink.nu
> "Beauty often seduces us on the road to truth."
> - Dr. Wilson
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If you can enable debugging and take a look at the debug console, that
output would be helpful. What exactly are you specifying for netDev?
ANY or a comma delimited list of interfaces? Is it saying that it
can't find a network interface or is it prompting you to select one?

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Re: upcoming 7.3-RELEASE: zfsloader doesn't support ZFS (doesn't link with libzfsboot)

2010-03-23 Thread John Baldwin
On Tuesday 23 March 2010 3:27:24 pm Alexander Zagrebin wrote:
> > On Tuesday 23 March 2010 3:41:06 am Alexander Zagrebin wrote:
> > > I have tried to build RELENG_7_3_0_RELEASE and have noticed 
> > that zfsloader
> > > really doesn't supports ZFS due to incomplete Makefiles 
> > (LOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT
> > > issue).
> > > Will be this issue fixed in 7.3-RELEASE?
> > 
> > Can you provide the output of the errors you are seeing?
> 
> There are no build errors.
> 
> IMHO, to support a ZFS, the loader have to be linked with the libzfsboot.
> But (IMHO again) in the RELENG_7_3_0_RELEASE zfsloader builds without
> this library.

Oh, gah.  Fixed in 7.  Probably too late for 7.3.

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Re: 7.3-RELEASE sysinstall netDev feature

2010-03-23 Thread Randi Harper
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:51 PM, David Boyd  wrote:
> Randi,
>
> Sorry for taking so long to reply.
>
> I won't be able to retry this today.
>
> But I looked at the code in tcpip.c and the support for the comma separated
> list of interface names (or netDev=ALL) is just not there in 7.3-RELEASE.
>
> I looked at the csup'd source and at the source from the dvd1 image.

Yeah, I suspect this wasn't MFC'ed and the release notes will need to
be corrected. I'm going to double check this later tonight. FWIW, if
this is something you are really that interested in having work, it
will work just fine in 7.3-RELEASE, you'd just have to build it
yourself.

-- randi
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FYI - FreeBSD 7.3 has been released...

2010-03-23 Thread Ken Smith
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Just a quick note for any of you who are not subscribed to the
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7.3-RELEASE was announced today.  The announcement message is
available here:

  http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.3R/announce.html

Thanks.

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Re: Complete ports thaw

2010-03-23 Thread Mark Linimon
It probably bears repeating that the tree will be unstable for the next
few days while a number of large commits hit the tree.  These were held
off during the release process to make life easier in case portmgr had
to do tag-slips.

Image processing libraries, xorg, kde, and gnome are scheduled to be
updated, among others.

mcl
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