Re: ata sad combinatorics
It seems Mike Tancsa wrote: > > Have a search through the archives as I think someone else had problems > with the Fujitsus. What if you disable DMA. Are you actually using the > drive in Win98 with DMA drivers ? What if go back to PIO mode. Perhaps the > maintainer can shed light on it ? > >atapci0: >ATA controller> port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 7.1 on pci0 > >ata0: at 0x1f0 irq > >14 on atapci0 > >ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 The old Intel PIIX is know to have DMA problems, I never intended to support it, but the current code (from luiqi IIRC) was found to be sufficient IF the BIOS did its job right. I seems that we have a BIOS here that doesn't setup things the way they should be, and the DMA setup fails because of that. Is there any way you could upgrade your BIOS ?? -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: "could not map memory"
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark Skurzynski writes: > Hi, > > I've built a new server here, and installed fresh copy of > FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE (from Cheap*Bytes). Upon booting, I get this error: > > fxp0: at device 9.0 on pci0 > fxp0: could not map memory > device_probe_and_attach: fxp0 attach returned 6 Try disabling all other NIC drivers in your kernel. You can do this by building a new kernel or by doing a boot -c. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: ata sad combinatorics
Soren Schmidt wrote: > > It seems Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > > Have a search through the archives as I think someone else had problems > > with the Fujitsus. What if you disable DMA. Are you actually using the > > drive in Win98 with DMA drivers ? What if go back to PIO mode. Perhaps the > > maintainer can shed light on it ? > > > >atapci0: > >ATA controller> port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 7.1 on pci0 > > >ata0: at 0x1f0 irq > > >14 on atapci0 > > >ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 > > The old Intel PIIX is know to have DMA problems, I never intended to > support it, but the current code (from luiqi IIRC) was found to be > sufficient IF the BIOS did its job right. I seems that we have a > BIOS here that doesn't setup things the way they should be, and the > DMA setup fails because of that. Is there any way you could upgrade > your BIOS ?? I've seen similar problems with a machine with an old VIA chipset. FWIW: I think we need a way to tell the kernel before booting that it shouldn't even try to use DMA/UDMA. Something like the good old device flags.. Regards, Edwin Mons To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: dd reading atapi cdrom
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ian j hart writes: > I'm used to doing this > > #dd if=/dev/acd0c of=image > > [followed by vnconfig, mount, share using samba] > > This fails under 4.0-STABLE. The error message is Bad address. No data > is transfered. This is reprodusable on three machines. Also fails on > LS120, without error message. > > Am I doing something stupid. Don't answer that! Has anyone got a work > around/better method. Compressing the file would be nice :-) Try using the raw device. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Package creation
Hi guys, > > "One should use one as soon as someone writes such a thing" is > > probably what the man page should actually say. :) Jordan - what happened to the frontend that was developed for the X desktop contest thingy a couple years ago? Brett * Dr. Brett Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Dept of Chem and Physics* Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics * Walker 234 (540) 831-5410 * * To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: make world failed
It looks like that would have helped me a great deal. Thanks for making that change. I am sure it will help someone else down the road. http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes. -- Dr. Warren Jackson, Director, UTCS On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Michel TALON wrote: > I have upgraded from source yesterday to 4.0-Stable following the nice > instructions at the beginning of UPDATING and everything turned out fine. > Congratulations to the developpers and particularly to W. Losh for its > addenda to UPGRADING. However, i am reading the stable mailing list and > was aware that several people had screwed their machine doing this upgrade. > Two weeks ago, the instructions in UPGRADING were everything except clear. > So, as is often the case one needs to wait a little bit that several people > run into trouble before plunging in the game. This is unfortunate, because > it means that ordinary users (not following CURRENT) cannot test the > candidate release as soon as possible, thereby detecting unusual bugs without > risking very much. Had the correct and detailed explanations been written > a month ago, it would have been very possible. > > -- > > Michel TALON > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: dufus.[...] daily run output -- summer time
The binary you want is... adjkerntz Just look at the man page for instructions. It adjusts the CMOS clock, although I have never used it. Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin projects: www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com fortune: Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes. -- Dr. Warren Jackson, Director, UTCS On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Michel TALON wrote: > On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 08:34:37PM -0400, Colin wrote: > > Had you booted the Win side first, then the FreeBSD side, you would have > > seen FreeBSD trying to move the clock ahead "2" hours. It knows it hasn't moved > > the time ahead yet so it adds 1 hour to the current BIOS time, which had > > already been moved ahead by the previous OS boot. > > You'll see this behaviour on any dual boot system. > > > > I have observed exactly the opposite. I think i installed my laptop > saying that the correct time was on the cmos clock. Then when i > booted freebsd, no time adjustment was done. After that i booted Win > who adjusted the cmos clock. Rebooting freebsd, the time was correct. > So all this depends how you have installed freebsd. Unfortunately > i have not been able to find the command line tool to adjust this. > > -- > > Michel TALON > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: make world failed
Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > It looks like that would have helped me a great deal. Thanks for making > that change. I am sure it will help someone else down the road. > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html > Nice page. But # cd /usr/obj # rm -rf * # chflags -R noschg * # rm -rf * Has been mentioned to be faster on most systems, yes it produces error messages about not being able to remove some files. Jim -- The wise man built his network upon U*nx. The foolish man built his network upon Windows. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: make world failed
Brennan W Stehling wrote: > > It looks like that would have helped me a great deal. Thanks for making > that change. I am sure it will help someone else down the road. > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html > Another question. It mentions that in -CURRENT you can use -j4. Is that -CURRENT 5.x or the now -STABLE 4.x and -CURRENT 5.x ? Jim -- The wise man built his network upon U*nx. The foolish man built his network upon Windows. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: Attachments request
> "S" == Southwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: S> GlacierI wonder whether those who post to this list would consider S> to post without using attachments. It is a hassle to have to put S> stuff through a virus checker when reading a mail list - so unless Pretty bold request from someone who includes an attachment in the very same email complaining about them... To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: journaling fs
On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 01:41:46PM +0800, Michael Robinson wrote: > Brooks Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >Journaling is only one solution to > >this problem. Most of the features you will typicaly see attributed to > >a JFS have nothing to do with journaling. What most people seem to want > >from a JFS is buzzword compliance. > > What I want most from a JFS is the ability to do reliable backups while > running production services, like I can do with Veritas' file system > snapshots. This is also something Kirk is working on for UFS. Journeling is not the only way to acomplish this. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: make world failed
: > It is time to put in the Propellerheads and chill with a some good tunes. i've used the following image http://www.village.org/~imp/propeller.gif on my website for years. The picture was taken in 92 using the then newfangled frame grabber attached to a Solbourne S4000 via some funky sbus card. Now, where did I set down my Stout. Or was I drinking Porter? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: make world failed
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nik Clayton writes: : If you (or anyone else reading this) wants to step forward and maintain : either of these files, please yell now. For example, /usr/src/UPDATING : is currently empty in 3-stable because no one's volunteered to maintain : it. I have some entries in my mailbox for the 3.x version of UPDATING. I'll see about getting them committed. : However, at certain times, in *both* trees, you might need to jump through : more hoops than that. The hoops differ depending on where you're coming : from, and where you're going to. UPDATING aims to list all those hoops : (and this is dynamic information, which makes it less suitable for the : Handbook). Yes. Also, for -current's UPDATING I specifically keep things short and to the point, lest I encourage people to follow -current who don't have the skills, time or patience that is required of -current. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: make world failed
At 10:42 AM -0600 2000/4/4, Warner Losh wrote: > Yes. Also, for -current's UPDATING I specifically keep things short > and to the point, lest I encourage people to follow -current who don't > have the skills, time or patience that is required of -current. Unfortunately, this may come back to bite you when -CURRENT becomes -STABLE. Funny, it's always the edge conditions that tend to cause the most problems. ;-) -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy == Brad Knowles, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>|| Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD/Opensource is not free
Well, to be the first on the bandwagon: I have a good deal of experience with documentation, and wouldn't mind spending some time working on it. Anyone have anything they need written up? Or, alternately, any docs that have fallen well behind the actual code? AGS --- "Forrest W. Christian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since I probably am about to step in a puddle of > gasoline with what I am > about to say, I'd just like to preface this with > this isn't meant as an > attack on anyone, but instead as some food for > thought. I'm not > particularly good with saying things in a tactful > manner, and I'd rather > not muddy what I'm trying to say by "softening" it. > > It seems that a growing number of posters to the > list seem to not > understand that FreeBSD and other OpenSource > projects have a real cost > which every user should help to bear. > > Let me explain. The core FreeBSD team is > "responsible for deciding the > project's overall goals and direction as well as > managing specific areas > of the FreeBSD project landscape". These 16 or so > people are supplemented > by approximatley 150 additional committers. In all, > around 170 or so > people are responsible for the 6.6 MILLION plus > lines in /usr/src are > stable. > > Remember these are almost (if not) all volunteers. > Most of them have "day > jobs" and as a result are only able to spend a > couple hours a day or so on > the project. Regardless, each and every one of > them has made a > commitment to invest their valuable spare time > towards improving FreeBSD. > > Now, to try to wander back to the point I was trying > to make - Even if > the volunteers above only provide one hour a day > average on this project, > that still comes out to be 1 hour x 365 days/year x > 150 committers or > 57,750 hours a year. Multiply this by say $50/hr > which is cheap for > "contract" programming, then you end up with over > 2.7 Million dollars of > labor being spent on FreeBSD each year. Remember > this is DONATED labor. > > Now think about this: The "committers" have donated > 2.7 million dollars > of labor to FreeBSD, what have you done? > > I think there is an unfortunate feeling that you > have to write code to > help with FreeBSD. At this point, I would ALMOST > say that if you want to > help with FreeBSD DO ANYTHING BUT WRITE CODE. For > Instance: > > * Submit pr's: Document bugs you find and submit > the info. > > * Fix lacking/outdated documentation. > > * Help newbies on the appropriate list(s). > > * Find a developer who hates writing documentation > and write documentation > for them. > > * Help track down developmental documentation for a > piece of hardware > and/or purchase said hardware for development > purposes. > > etc. etc. etc. > > I'm sure if someone dropped Jordan or one of the > core committers a note > that said "Hey, I have some spare time and I would > like to do x" where x > is about anything not already well (or over) > covered, they could FIND > something useful for about anyone to do. > > I think that maybe the best summarization of this > whole thing is this: > > FreeBSD costs both time and money to develop. > Although FreeBSD doesn't > officially "cost" us anything (in the fiscal sense), > each of us should > find a way to contribute to the project as much as > we can justify and in > whatever way we can. > > - Forrest W. Christian ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) KD7EHZ > -- > iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 > http://www.imach.com > Solutions for your high-tech problems. >(406)-442-6648 > -- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the > message > = 'During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.' - Al Gore, March 9, 1999: On CNN's Late Edition __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: ata sad combinatorics
At 15:22 04.04.00 +0200, you wrote: >It seems Mike Tancsa wrote: >> >> Have a search through the archives as I think someone else had problems >> with the Fujitsus. What if you disable DMA. Are you actually using the >> drive in Win98 with DMA drivers ? What if go back to PIO mode. Perhaps the >> maintainer can shed light on it ? > >> >atapci0: > >ATA controller> port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 7.1 on pci0 >> >ata0: at 0x1f0 irq >> >14 on atapci0 >> >ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 > >The old Intel PIIX is know to have DMA problems, I never intended to >support it, but the current code (from luiqi IIRC) was found to be >sufficient IF the BIOS did its job right. I seems that we have a >BIOS here that doesn't setup things the way they should be, and the >DMA setup fails because of that. Is there any way you could upgrade >your BIOS ?? > >-Søren > After more experiments: 1) A pair of any disks are ok as ad0 and ad1, both in dma mode. 2) In a pair ad0+ad2, disk ad2 (irrespective of disk make) is not mounted in dma that easy. BUT, if I wait long enough, (about 1 min) it says: "ata1: trying to fallback to PIO mode" after which I have ad0 in dma, ad2 in pio, and no further problems. Very clever behavior in such a case! Thanks a lot for your response. Do you know a way to say that I want just PIO for disk ad2? To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD/Opensource is not free
BRAVO!!! Only one small nit... $2.7M/year, starting in 1993 puts it at about a $18.9M price tag. Ohhh.. and don't tell me we didn't have 150 committers back then, as the 10 to 20 of us where putting in way more than 1 hour/day, some where doing more than 40 hrs/week for the first year or two. Some place some where I have the outline for a paper titled ``Free Software, the Real Cost and Who has Payed Them''. Beyond the commiters there was money spent by UCB and a dozen other colleges, much of which came from federal funding via grants and darpa contracts. Another interesting stat to toss out is the average line of code costs something like $50.00 over it's lifetime including maintanance and recoding, if we stayed constant at 6.6M lines it would have a cost/value of $330M!!! > Since I probably am about to step in a puddle of gasoline with what I am > about to say, I'd just like to preface this with this isn't meant as an > attack on anyone, but instead as some food for thought. I'm not > particularly good with saying things in a tactful manner, and I'd rather > not muddy what I'm trying to say by "softening" it. > > It seems that a growing number of posters to the list seem to not > understand that FreeBSD and other OpenSource projects have a real cost > which every user should help to bear. > > Now think about this: The "committers" have donated 2.7 million dollars > of labor to FreeBSD, what have you done? $2.7M in just the last year... :-) Ohh.. and the 1 hour/day thing would barely allow a committer the time to read the mandatory -commit mail in order to be a committer :-) Another words each of those 150 people is burning about $18,250/year of his/her own time just reading email. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: How stable is the ATA code?
I'd like to say that I have been keeping stable with freebsd 4.0, and I am using ata with an FIC-VA503+ (VIA Apollo MVP3) mobo and a WD Expert 18GB Hard Drive (which I recommend to anyone) with no problems. I have been updating my kernel as large changes come along and have been amazed at the stability of the OS and the filesystem. When I first installed FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE on an old compaq server, the ncr SCSI driver had some nasty troubles with it that caused the filesystem to corrupt and the kernel to panic whenever the scsi bus was put under more than a moderate load. --cokane To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: ata sad combinatorics
It seems Sergei Vyshenski wrote: > >The old Intel PIIX is know to have DMA problems, I never intended to > >support it, but the current code (from luiqi IIRC) was found to be > >sufficient IF the BIOS did its job right. I seems that we have a > >BIOS here that doesn't setup things the way they should be, and the > >DMA setup fails because of that. Is there any way you could upgrade > >your BIOS ?? > > > >-Søren > > > > After more experiments: > 1) A pair of any disks are ok as ad0 and ad1, both in dma mode. > 2) In a pair ad0+ad2, disk ad2 (irrespective of disk make) > is not mounted in dma that easy. BUT, if I wait long enough, > (about 1 min) it says: > "ata1: trying to fallback to PIO mode" > after which I have ad0 in dma, ad2 in pio, and no further problems. > > Very clever behavior in such a case! > Thanks a lot for your response. You're welcome :) > Do you know a way to say that I want just PIO for disk ad2? Use sysctl on the hw.atamodes oid (man ata.4) -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
Re: 3.4-stable to 4.0-stable wedge
like hell! i demand a full refund! >>> You'll have to drop by the house later to get that :-) >>> P.S. This would be somewhat hard if you don't live in Boulder :-) >> after i spent many hours of my own time, for which i will be sending you a >> bill, figuring out where to insert the floppy, you think i am going to sit >> by quietly and take public abuse and humiliation from lowly nerd slime on >> this mailing list?!? >> i think i will go run linux! [ and one of a couple of private responses which i will not attribute ] > Please do! Then once you've pissed in your own beer like seems > to like doing on a regular basis come crawling back on your hands and > knees. i know it's late at night and we're all out of caffeine etc. but try and maintain a bit of perspective and a sense of humor. warner and i were enjoying a parody of the flaming luser we get twice a month. the smileys and the request for a refund for something that is free might have given you a hint if you were running on a normal caffeine level. now where does that darn floppy go? randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
