Re: FreeBSD's Visual Identity: Outdated?
jsha wrote: Hello. I am writing this e-mail hoping that someone will share my thoughts on how the world's best operating system should represent its attributes and users to the rest of the world. Being an architect as well as graphic designer, I feel it is about time for a complete revamp of the visual aesthetics of the FreeBSD project. The current logo and everything pertaining to it has long since lost its modern touch. I believe that if this image is strenghtened, so is the way outsiders view the FreeBSD project and the way they would judge it compared to other open source operating systems. 1. Not only is the logo misleading (associating evil) but it also looks like something 10-year-olds could produce in Paint Shop Pro ten years ago. OpenBSD has an artistic touch to theirs, however I was very disappointed when I heard that the new NetBSD logo was in effect. 2. If it wasn't for the interesting content and structure of the FreeBSD website, it would be among the less beautiful. Yes, it serves its purpose well by being simple and straight to the point. But a redesign could offer just the same -- simplicity and accuracy -- without being ugly. 3. The installation, even though it's text-only, could also be improved by simple restructuring to act more cognitive and human-centered than previously. Everything pertaining to the eye is important to improve. 4. There should be some kind of FreeBSD business card and letterhead available to all that support this project. How do I know though, that if I manage to pull together a team to work on this refined vision, that we won't be totally ignored even though we produce the most magnificent result? Anyone that are interested, please reply ;-) Sincerely, Johann Manaf Tepstad -- j. For future reference, arch and www probably weren't the right lists to send this to. I've removed them from my response. Please read the archives of advocacy and pay careful attention to my posts on the subject of updating the site. Please read other archives and posts for information about the installer. The FreeBSD foundation should be the only entity to have ``official'' letterhead, since it's the only official sponsor of the project, in that sense. You don't know that your work won't go in vain and here's why: 1) Lots of people are fine with it the way it is, 2) There are lots of sites that are simple. Checked google.com or sun.com lately? Linux.org? 3) This has been tried before. I tried to organize it. It didn't work. If you're really interested, do some work and please post here when you have a result. All the topics you have mentioned have been discussed to death, and the consensus is do it first, talk later. I think it's best to let this dead beast lie. Kind regards, Devon H. O'Dell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD's Visual Identity: Outdated?
Hello, all I've scrounged up the archives of the thread the last time it was brought up, in March of 2004, when I called to initiate development for such a project. It would have been done in-hand with [EMAIL PROTECTED] The response was surprisingly low and the people who offered to contribute didn't really have enough time to do anything. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-advocacy/2004-March/thread.html#1163 The whole thing, including what FreeBSD wants (as a group of people, as the foundation, and as the core developers), is listed in this thread. Everybody: PLEASE READ THIS before you continue speculating on what may or may not be good. Do you have time? Great, my offer is still open to help coordinate, although I have less time for such things these days, so if you're interested, you need to be self-motivated. And you need to have time. Kind regards, Devon H. O'Dell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD's Visual Identity: Outdated?
Matthew Seaman wrote: Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I think there's more FreeBSD installations than Apple installations, way, way more. Obscurity is in the eye of the beholder. And talk is cheap. The FreeBSD documentation team has already asked the FreeBSD community to do a site redesign, see here: http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/current.html#website-css Nobody has stepped up to do it. Since your so hot to redesign the site why don't you e-mail them and get going on doing it instead of talking about it? Errr... Not so. Admittedly, this was posted just a few days ago, but people are working on CSS-izing the FreeBSD.org web site: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-doc/2004-December/006616.html Elsewhere on this thread there has been some talk about organizing a design competition to see who can come up with the best concept for the site. Strikes me that a good way to do that would be along the lines of this competition to redesign the W3.org site: http://w3mix.web-graphics.com/entries.php ie. take the existing content and write a style sheet to present it in the best possible way. Cheers, Matthew I'm going to be drawing up the rules for the competition soon. I think the best way to do it would indeed be to just create an HTML 4.01 Strict-compliant page and ask people to do CSS for it -- as might be done for csszengarden.com. Kind regards, Devon H. O'Dell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Logo Contest
a professional logo that can be easily printed on a wide variety of media including your computer screen, the head of your legal pads / A4s, a t- shirt, or a light tube for the side of a building. The fact that the accepted logo should be designed to not depict subjects which might be construed as harassing to another's beliefs, etc. is a perk. Not a pitfall. I plan to contribute. Kind regards, Devon H. O'Dell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Please explain.
Tom Rhodes wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:14:22 +0200 Miguel Mendez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:57:00 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote: Hi, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: It appears that FreeBSD have a clear Multi-threading lock-in issue that needs to be fixed. Not work arounds. According to many freebsd developers nobody simply wants to fix this, is it true that the current smp work are just 'work-arounds' not real fixing? Did David Rhodus put you up to this? You should just tell him to do his own dirty work. Why don't you and Bosko leave the DragonFlyBSD people alone? I don't get it. Are you jealous of their work or what? You're not helping inter-camp relations if you pick on them every time you have an opportunity. Oh back off; you obviously have only a small part of the story. Or perhaps he notices that DES pulled an attack out of thin air, which was unprovoked. The best offense, in this case, is to STFU about your personal feelings about the works of another project. Nobody's getting very far making these attacks. I'm sure David would post anything he wants to without resorting to silly games. You're correct; he would just slander throughout forums such as /. and the like; that is sooo much better then coming here. Yet, it does keep our lists a little cleaner. Funny, this entire thread only seems to be polluting the lists. How about you (yes, all you who shout ``don't feed the trolls'') actually _stop_ feeding them for once (or give the guy a reasonable answer; his question was horribly misinformed, but you would have shut him up sooner with facts, rather than attacks), stop making baseless claims, stop attacking other camps, stop attacking each other. I'm sure I'm going to get a bunch of cruft for this. But seriously, quit acking like a bunch of damned 5 year old girls, pulling each other's hair and grow the hell up! --Devon ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux TechTV Clip - Edited and Sync'ed
Awesome! You++ I'm off to mirror this one and then download it again :-D --Devon Mike Maltese wrote: An edited version of the FreeBSD vs. Linux Shootout that recently aired on TechTV's "The ScreenSavers" will be available at around 4 AM PDT. The audio synchronization issues are fixed and by trimming out the other segments I was able to get the file size down to 89 MB. I've copied newbies and questions because I'm sure there are some folks there that would be interested in seeing it. http://freebsd0.sitetronics.com/~mmaltese/freebsd_vs_linux-techtv_20030902-edited.avi Enjoy, I'm going to bed. =) Mike ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux TechTV Clip - Edited and Sync'ed
Awesome! You++ I'm off to mirror this one on the east coast (wr0d ph33r -- I feel like a rapper with a gun or something, heh) and then download it again :-D --Devon Mike Maltese wrote: An edited version of the FreeBSD vs. Linux Shootout that recently aired on TechTV's "The ScreenSavers" will be available at around 4 AM PDT. The audio synchronization issues are fixed and by trimming out the other segments I was able to get the file size down to 89 MB. I've copied newbies and questions because I'm sure there are some folks there that would be interested in seeing it. http://freebsd0.sitetronics.com/~mmaltese/freebsd_vs_linux-techtv_20030902-edited.avi Enjoy, I'm going to bed. =) Mike ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux TechTV Clip - Edited and Sync'ed
For the -newbies and -questions lists: freebsd0 is a west coast server at 100mbit. Please use it if you are west coast. My other server is sitetronics.com, which is east coast at 10mbit. Please use it if you are east coast. The files in question are: Edited: http://freebsd0.sitetronics.com/~mmaltese/freebsd_vs_linux-techtv_20030902-edited.avi http://sitetronics.com/freebsd_vs_linux-techtv_20030902-edited.avi Original: http://freebsd0.sitetronics.com/~dodell/freebsd_vs_linux-techtv_20030902.avi http://sitetronics.com/freebsd_vs_linux-techtv_20030902.avi The originals are ~260MB and the sound is not synched. Additionally, they contain some extraneous stuff with miscellaneous people promoting various products and telling bad jokes :). Please feel free to use either server to create your own mirror of the file. Due to the multi-group post, I don't expect the bandwidth to be light and honestly wouldn't mind if other mirrors were created :) --Devon Mike Maltese wrote: An edited version of the FreeBSD vs. Linux Shootout that recently aired on TechTV's "The ScreenSavers" will be available at around 4 AM PDT. The audio synchronization issues are fixed and by trimming out the other segments I was able to get the file size down to 89 MB. I've copied newbies and questions because I'm sure there are some folks there that would be interested in seeing it. http://freebsd0.sitetronics.com/~mmaltese/freebsd_vs_linux-techtv_20030902-edited.avi Enjoy, I'm going to bed. =) Mike ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux TechTV Clip - Edited and Sync'ed
Attention everybody downloading from freebsd0: Mike's not quite done uploading yet ;) Please feel free to spare the 10Mbit you're using for approximately 15 to 20 minutes :) --Devon ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
