Re: options used to compile packages

[David Arendt]

Hi,

When I did the test, I used FreeBSD 8.2 amd64 using the ports collection
delivered with this distribution.

Yesterday I did a checkout of the latest ports tree. I compiled bash,
xorg, xfce and gdm using the default options. When trying to login using
gdm, it still complains about a missing keyring pam module. When I
disable keyring support in gdm, gdm runs flawlessly. Therefore I thought
that options used to compile the offical packages might be different. If
default options are used to compile them, it should be a some other
problem. To ensure that my build environment is not polluted, I did this
test on a fresh installation. But anyway it doesn't matter as I have a
workaround.

Thanks for your valuable information,
Bye,
David Arendt

On Sat, 2011-07-16 at 18:12 -0400, b. f. wrote:
> > well I don't actually now which package it was, but I compiled gdm (so
> > it should be one of it's dependencies). A compilation resulted in a non
> > working gdm (something with pam support not found on execution). Upon
> > installing gdm and is dependencies from packages, everything worked
> > correctly. Therefore I thought there might be other default options. I
> > am sorry that I cannot be more precise, but I tried it 2 months ago, so
> > I do not remember exactly. I think I will try it again from scratch with
> > latest ports tree and give you more precise information.
> 
> In addition to the obvious possibilities that your test was faulty, or
> that you somehow polluted your build environment, It is also possible
> that:
> 
> -at least one of your ports was a different version than used in the
> default packages, and had a bug;
> 
> -there was a transient build error;
> 
> or
> 
> -you were using a different version of FreeBSD than that used to build
> the default packages that you used, and there is a problem with one of
> the ports on that version of FreeBSD.
> 
> b.


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Re: options used to compile packages

[Michael Powell]

David Arendt wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> well I don't actually now which package it was, but I compiled gdm (so
> it should be one of it's dependencies). A compilation resulted in a non
> working gdm (something with pam support not found on execution). Upon
> installing gdm and is dependencies from packages, everything worked
> correctly. Therefore I thought there might be other default options. I
> am sorry that I cannot be more precise, but I tried it 2 months ago, so
> I do not remember exactly. I think I will try it again from scratch with
> latest ports tree and give you more precise information.
> 
[snip]

As you probably know, make config will open a previously saved 
configuration. The first time a port that has options is built you will get 
the options screen where you can select/deselect options. Make config 
recursive will also walk the dependency tree and pull up all the config 
screens for dependencies as well.

These options are saved in /var/db/ports. Each port will have a directory 
containing an 'options' file. Deleting these will remove what make config 
saved and reset it back to as if the port hadn't been built previously with 
the options screen once again appearing. These would be the defaults.

A shotgun approach would be to wipe all of the content from /var/db/ports 
and then it would be like starting from scratch; all ports would present 
default options. Kind of an ugly thing to do, better if you could identify a 
subset and only remove what's needed. Wiping everything will reset your 
entire ports tree to beginning with default options. As a backup you could 
also copy/save the contents of /var/db/ports somewhere else for future 
reference. 

-Mike



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Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[Jerry]

While I usually consider Slashdot nothing more than a bunch of
juveniles ranting against Microsoft; however, I did find this rather
interesting post this morning.

"Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore"



Interestingly enough, a great deal of it is true. It might be
interesting to know how others feel about it. Obviously, asking that
question on this forum is like playing against a stacked deck; however,
it still might prove interesting.

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Re: how to force a hard reboot remotely

[Daniel Feenberg]

In the last episode (Jul 16), Aryeh Friedman said:

Is there any way to force a complete power down and then reset of a i386
without physically being present?




You haven't said what about an ordinary "shutdown -r" isn't satisfactory, 
but we have an iboot gizmo


  http://dataprobe.com/remote-reboot.html

that we use on a (non-FreeBSD) server that hangs from time to time. WOL 
also works.


Daniel Feenberg
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Re: options used to compile packages

[b. f.]

On 7/17/11, David Arendt  wrote:
> When I did the test, I used FreeBSD 8.2 amd64 using the ports collection
> delivered with this distribution.
>

I see.  Since that time, there have been very few changes to the
version of the base system used to build the packages for 8, but more
to some of the ports that you mentioned, so probably the difference
that you observed is due to the latter, if it isn't caused by some
local change on your own system.


> Yesterday I did a checkout of the latest ports tree. I compiled bash,
> xorg, xfce and gdm using the default options. When trying to login using
> gdm, it still complains about a missing keyring pam module. When I
> disable keyring support in gdm, gdm runs flawlessly. Therefore I thought
> that options used to compile the offical packages might be different. If
> default options are used to compile them, it should be a some other
> problem. To ensure that my build environment is not polluted, I did this
> test on a fresh installation. But anyway it doesn't matter as I have a
> workaround.

If you believe that the error arises from a problem other than your
particular configuration of gdm and its dependencies, or at least is
likely to affect others, then it would be helpful if you submitted a
problem report:

http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html

after having first looked to see if a similar problem has already been
reported, via:

http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi?category=&severity=&priority=&class=&state=&sort=none&text=&responsible=&multitext=pam&originator=&release=

or other searches of your own.

b.
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boot/loader splash image

[wayne mitchell]

hey

got question/problem for /boot/loader

system: freeBSD 8.1-RELEASE GENERIC

trying to get a bitmap on screen for bootup
-

have read man page for all boot associated stuff (loader.conf...)
and followed instructions
using following values in /boot/loader.conf :

bitmap_load="YES"# have tried commenting this out also
vesa_load="YES"
splash_bmp_load="YES"
bitmap_name="/boot/splash.bmp"

the splash.bmp size is about 400x300 (also 900x700 as alternative size)
this size fits with available vid-modes within the vesa module
does not work
am using /boot/loader.rc as pre-set (includes loader.4th and beastie.4th)
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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[Jens Jahnke]

Hi,

On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 07:10:59 -0400
Jerry  wrote:

J> "Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore"
J> 
J> 

J> 
J> Interestingly enough, a great deal of it is true. It might be
J> interesting to know how others feel about it. Obviously, asking that
J> question on this forum is like playing against a stacked deck;
J> however, it still might prove interesting.

having seen him in action on the last chaos communication congress I
consider him to be not relevant anymore at least to me. ;-)
Having used Linux since around 1995 I switched to FreeBSD by release
8.0 and I have never looked back. There are some small things I miss
but I want my systems to "just work".
I made the switch after I realised that I had to tinker around with
Linux nearly as much as with Windows to suit my needs.

Just my two cents...

Jens

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Help needed : My FreeBSD8.2-amd64 installation keeps crashing

[Manish Jain]

   Hi all,
   My FreeBSD8.2-amd64 installation keeps crashing - power off in a flash
   with no warning. I can't imagine what might be the problem. I ran
   memtest86+ and it cleared Pass 1 with no errors. Win XP runs without
   any problems. I have pasted below XP Device Manager's system summary
   report below. (N: is an ext2fs slice and X: is the FreeBSD slice).
   Can somebody suggest what might the problem be ? There are a couple of
   points of interest :
   1) there are no /dev/smbus* nodes
   2) FreeBSD8.0-amd64 ran on my system without problems.
   Thanks in advance for any help. Meanwhile I am about to start running
   memtest86+ again to go through 2 Passes.
   Regards
   Manish Jain
   [1]invalid.poin...@gmail.com
  System Resource Report-  Page: 1
   SYSTEM SUMMARY 
  Windows Version: Windows 5.1 Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
  Registered Owner: Manish Jain
  Registered Organization: Cognizant
  Computer Name: CTS-235050
  Machine Type: AT/AT COMPATIBLE
  System BIOS Version: GBT- 42302e31
  System BIOS Date: 01/02/09
  Processor Type: x86 Family 16 Model 2 Stepping 3
  Processor Vendor: AuthenticAMD
  Number of Processors: 4
  Physical Memory: 3071 MB
   DISK DRIVE INFO 
Drive C:
  Type: Fixed disk drive
  Total Space: 33,032,691,712 bytes
  Free Space: 13,457,170,432 bytes
  Heads: 16
  Cylinders: 620178
  Sectors Per Track: 63
  Bytes Per Sector: 512
Drive D:
  Type: Fixed disk drive
  Total Space: 240,836,165,632 bytes
  Free Space: 41,083,314,176 bytes
  Heads: 16
  Cylinders: 620178
  Sectors Per Track: 63
  Bytes Per Sector: 512
Drive F:
  Type: CD-ROM drive
  Total Space: 33,554,432 bytes
Drive N:
  Type: Fixed disk drive
  Total Space: 4,258,791,424 bytes
  Free Space: 2,774,253,568 bytes
  Heads: 16
  Cylinders: 620178
  Sectors Per Track: 63
  Bytes Per Sector: 512
Drive X:
  Type: Fixed disk drive
  Total Space: 37,434,163,200 bytes
  Free Space: 3,302,391,808 bytes
  Heads: 16
  Cylinders: 620178
  Sectors Per Track: 63
  Bytes Per Sector: 512
   IRQ SUMMARY 
  IRQ Usage Summary:
(ISA)  0High precision event timer
(ISA)  1Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2
   Keyboard
(ISA)  4Communications Port (COM1)
  System Resource Report-  Page: 2
(ISA)  8High precision event timer
(ISA)  9Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System
(ISA)  9AEMPH6YR IDE Controller
(ISA) 12PS/2 Compatible Mouse
(ISA) 13Numeric data processor
(ISA) 14Primary IDE Channel
(PCI) 16Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
(PCI) 16Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
(PCI) 16Microsoft UAA Bus Driver for High Definition
   Audio
(PCI) 17Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
(PCI) 18ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics
(PCI) 18PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
(PCI) 18Realtek RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) PCI-E Gigabit
   Ethernet NIC
(PCI) 18Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
(PCI) 18Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
(PCI) 18Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
(PCI) 19Microsoft UAA Bus Driver for High Definition
   Audio
(PCI) 19Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
(PCI) 22Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
(PCI) 22Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host
   Controller
   DMA USAGE SUMMARY 
  DMA Usage Summary:
 3ECP Printer Port (LPT1)
 4Direct memory access controller
   MEMORY SUMMARY 
  Memory Usage Summary:
[ - 0009]  System board
  [ - 0FFF]  Motherboard resources
[000A - 000B]  PCI bus
  [000A - 000B]  PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
[000A - 000B]  ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics
[000C - 000D]  PCI bus
  [000CEA00 - 000C]  System board
[000F - 000F7FFF]  System board
[000F8000 - 000FBFFF]  System board
[000FC000 - 000F]  System board
   

loader.conf options

[wayne mitchell]

hey
am trying to configure my new system
(FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE GENERIC amd64 - on an intel core 2 duo)
and find all possible settings to tweak
i can tell from documentation that there are many options possible with
/boot/loader.conf
as well as others
though i cannot find any definitive list
i am sure that this - in some cases - depends on how the rest of system is
configured
hardware bios, software bios, kernel ... and so on
i can never find the right value to set at the time that i want to set it
always seems to be in passing while looking up something else
am currently looking for values to tweak the kernel with,
though would rather rely on module loading and loader.config settings and
device.hints
have got:
/usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES
/usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/NOTES
man loader.conf
man device.hints
handbook
FAQ

am looking for:
memory/bus (tweaks for I/O speeds / caching ...)
attached hardware
multimedia/sound/video/midi
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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[Svein Skogen (Listmail account)]

On 17.07.2011 13:10, Jerry wrote:
> While I usually consider Slashdot nothing more than a bunch of
> juveniles ranting against Microsoft; however, I did find this rather
> interesting post this morning.
> 
> "Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore"
> 
> 
> 
> Interestingly enough, a great deal of it is true. It might be
> interesting to know how others feel about it. Obviously, asking that
> question on this forum is like playing against a stacked deck; however,
> it still might prove interesting.

Given that most of his creations are half-done and half-working, and how
his intentions seems to Applify Linux into an iToy-lookalike-OS, I
consider his "opinions"  ... well ... let's just say I'm pretty sure
he's afraid of direct sunlight.

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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[Subbsd]

Hi

All of us know that in many cases BSD do not concede technically
Linux. However is the fact. The quantity of the companies using
FreeBSD catastrophically decreases! In what a problem? As I see one of
popularization's problems - there is no information on innovations
(DTRACE, ccTCP, VIMAGE, HAST, SIFTR, Capsicum, LLVM, Grand Central
Dispatch )  -
yes, not one of it has not reached stability level.

BSDMAG + ISXsystem do good work, releasing BSD Magazine and PC BSD
assemblage. But people simply hear nothing now except Linux, Linux,
Linux. The New generation comes also a get on-default Linux. Thus, BSD
community decreases. It is a pity that many developers of FreeBSD have
left in Apple, the small part works over {NET,OPEN,DRAGONFLY}.BSD but
as a whole it already absolutely small small groups of people.
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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[Dick Hoogendijk]

Op 17-7-2011 14:17 schreef Subbsd:

community decreases. It is a pity that many developers of FreeBSD have
left in Apple, the small part works over {NET,OPEN,DRAGONFLY}.BSD but
as a whole it already absolutely small small groups of people.

And do you feel this will be the end of FreeBSD?
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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[Fernando Apesteguía]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Jerry  wrote:
> While I usually consider Slashdot nothing more than a bunch of
> juveniles ranting against Microsoft; however, I did find this rather
> interesting post this morning.
>
> "Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore"
>
> 
>
> Interestingly enough, a great deal of it is true. It might be
> interesting to know how others feel about it. Obviously, asking that
> question on this forum is like playing against a stacked deck; however,
> it still might prove interesting.

In the original interview at linuxfr he admits that sometimes he
should have shut up a bit earlier in order to avoid flamewars. This
could be one of those times.

However, what worries me is how influential he is in some open source
projects. He suggested that Gnome should be Linux specific because
trying to keep compatibility with other UNIX systems (BSD for example)
holds them from going further in the development. I wouldn't be happy
if the gnome developers followed his advice.

>
> --
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boot/loader splash image

[wayne mitchell]

hey
got question/problem for /boot/loader

system: freeBSD 8.1-RELEASE GENERIC

trying to get a bitmap onscreen for bootup


have read man page for all boot associated stuff (loader.conf...)
and followed instructions
using following values in /boot/loader.conf :

bitmap_load="YES"# have tried commenting this out also
vesa_load="YES"
splash_bmp_load="YES"
bitmap_name="/boot/splash.bmp"

the splash.bmp size is about 900x700
does not work
am using /boot/loader.rc as preset (includes loader.4th and beastie.4th)
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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[C. Bergström]

 On 07/17/11 07:43 PM, Dick Hoogendijk wrote:

Op 17-7-2011 14:17 schreef Subbsd:

community decreases. It is a pity that many developers of FreeBSD have
left in Apple, the small part works over {NET,OPEN,DRAGONFLY}.BSD but
as a whole it already absolutely small small groups of people.

And do you feel this will be the end of FreeBSD?
I doubt that *BSD will *end*, but at which point does lack of usage make 
an OS irrelevant?


1) Is it used in production?  If so does it serve a critical role?
2) What commercial support options are available?  (Also what popular 
commercial/proprietary software are available )

3) How well is it keeping pace with existing sw and hw technologies?
4) How focused and productive is the development community?

I have some personal views on the above, but I consider *BSD severely 
lacking in a few areas.  (No I can't personally help and only kick these 
questions off from the sidelines)


Software typically exists to solve a problem.  What problem is *BSD 
trying to solve?  If something serves a purpose then there should be no 
denying it's future relevance.


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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[C. Bergström]

 On 07/17/11 07:24 PM, Fernando Apesteguía wrote:


However, what worries me is how influential he is in some open source
projects. He suggested that Gnome should be Linux specific because
trying to keep compatibility with other UNIX systems (BSD for example)
holds them from going further in the development. I wouldn't be happy
if the gnome developers followed his advice.

1) Why care about *BSD as a desktop?
2) Why care about *BSD as a workstation? (Which I see as a next level in 
stability/usability beyond a toy "desktop")


In the specific case about Gnome - really if you care so much then you 
can submit patches and contribute.  If nobody is willing to do the work 
(scratch the itch) then ultimately it really doesn't matter.


Oh this is flamebait, but I hope gnome does do this..   Maybe then more 
people would forget about it and focus on making KDE better ;)


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Re: loader.conf options

[Warren Block]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2011, wayne mitchell wrote:


am trying to configure my new system
(FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE GENERIC amd64 - on an intel core 2 duo)


I'd suggest upgrading to 8.2-RELEASE or 8-STABLE.


and find all possible settings to tweak
i can tell from documentation that there are many options possible with
/boot/loader.conf


It's often counterproductive to change settings, but you'll find a much 
longer list in /boot/defaults/loader.conf.  Do not change them there, 
just override by setting them in /boot/loader.conf.

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Re: how to force a hard reboot remotely

[Ryan Coleman]

I'd feel better about the company if they used English correctly and didn't 
have a bunch of HTML bombs.


On Jul 17, 2011, at 6:11 AM, Daniel Feenberg wrote:

> 
> 
> 
>> In the last episode (Jul 16), Aryeh Friedman said:
>>> Is there any way to force a complete power down and then reset of a i386
>>> without physically being present?
>> 
> 
> You haven't said what about an ordinary "shutdown -r" isn't satisfactory, but 
> we have an iboot gizmo
> 
>  http://dataprobe.com/remote-reboot.html
> 
> that we use on a (non-FreeBSD) server that hangs from time to time. WOL also 
> works.
> 
> Daniel Feenberg
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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[Daniel Staal]

--As of July 17, 2011 8:13:13 PM +0700, "C. Bergström" is alleged to have 
said:



1) Why care about *BSD as a desktop?
2) Why care about *BSD as a workstation? (Which I see as a next level in
stability/usability beyond a toy "desktop")


--As for the rest, it is mine.

Because it is easier to get your admins to support a server if they can 
have a working development desktop that matches the server's OS and config. 
(Apart from their interface and development software, which would only be 
on the dev box.)


Just a thought.  ;)

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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[Dennis Glatting]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2011, Jerry wrote:


While I usually consider Slashdot nothing more than a bunch of
juveniles ranting against Microsoft; however, I did find this rather
interesting post this morning.

"Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore"



Interestingly enough, a great deal of it is true. It might be 
interesting to know how others feel about it. Obviously, asking that 
question on this forum is like playing against a stacked deck; however, 
it still might prove interesting.




Yawn. I remember sitting on the can reading BSD mags in the 80s when they 
were saying the same thing regarding OSF. There there were/are other 
Linuxes, BSDs, and Unixes.


I've done a bunch of infrastructure and tasked-support work using Linux 
for the past couple of years. The FreeBSD pieces work better. Does Linux 
have some advantages? Yes. Does FreeBSD have some deficiencies? Yes.


There, I said it. I'm over it now.


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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[Fernando Apesteguía]

2011/7/17 "C. Bergström" :
>  On 07/17/11 07:24 PM, Fernando Apesteguía wrote:
>>
>> However, what worries me is how influential he is in some open source
>> projects. He suggested that Gnome should be Linux specific because
>> trying to keep compatibility with other UNIX systems (BSD for example)
>> holds them from going further in the development. I wouldn't be happy
>> if the gnome developers followed his advice.
>
> 1) Why care about *BSD as a desktop?
> 2) Why care about *BSD as a workstation? (Which I see as a next level in
> stability/usability beyond a toy "desktop")
>
> In the specific case about Gnome - really if you care so much then you can
> submit patches and contribute.  If nobody is willing to do the work (scratch
> the itch) then ultimately it really doesn't matter.

Yes, I've heard this before. I care about FreeBSD as a desktop because
I use it as a desktop.

Regarding the Gnome issue, it is easy to say, "hey, go and fix it",
but even if I lack the
skills to send patches and / or fix a certain issue, it does not mean
I don't care.

At this point, when Gnome is not Linux-specific, a big amount of work
is put to make the FreeBSD
Gnome releases stable. If Gnome goes Linux-specific it will be really
difficult (if not impossible) to
keep the pace of the original project (think about what would happen
if Gnome depends on systemd
to activate session services, for example).

>
> Oh this is flamebait, but I hope gnome does do this..   Maybe then more
> people would forget about it and focus on making KDE better ;)
>
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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[Outback Dingo]

>
> The FreeBSD pieces work better. Does Linux have some advantages? Yes. Does
> FreeBSD have some deficiencies? Yes.
>
> There, I said it. I'm over it now.
>
>
++1 I completely agree, as a server OS FreeBSD hands down rocks
The only reason i can see netcraft making suh states is because of
virtualization
and cloud computing instances anyway, Name one cloud provider providing
FreeBSD 8x or 9X
to run as instances. I know of one coming... question is are there
others




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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[Mario Lobo]

On Sunday 17 July 2011 10:13:13 C. Bergström wrote:
> In the specific case about Gnome - really if you care so much then you
> can submit patches and contribute.  If nobody is willing to do the work
> (scratch the itch) then ultimately it really doesn't matter.
> 
> I hope gnome does do this..   Maybe then more
> people would forget about it and focus on making KDE better ;)
> 

YES !! I hope so too.

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Re: boot/loader splash image

[Fbsd8]

wayne mitchell wrote:

hey
got question/problem for /boot/loader

system: freeBSD 8.1-RELEASE GENERIC

trying to get a bitmap onscreen for bootup


have read man page for all boot associated stuff (loader.conf...)
and followed instructions
using following values in /boot/loader.conf :

bitmap_load="YES"# have tried commenting this out also
vesa_load="YES"
splash_bmp_load="YES"
bitmap_name="/boot/splash.bmp"

the splash.bmp size is about 900x700
does not work
am using /boot/loader.rc as preset (includes loader.4th and beastie.4th)
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Try putting vesa_load="YES" first.
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Re: boot/loader splash image

[Duane Hill]

Sunday, July 17, 2011, 6:07:57 PM, Fbsd8 wrote:

> wayne mitchell wrote:
>> hey
>> got question/problem for /boot/loader
>> 
>> system: freeBSD 8.1-RELEASE GENERIC
>> 
>> trying to get a bitmap onscreen for bootup
>> 
>> 
>> have read man page for all boot associated stuff (loader.conf...)
>> and followed instructions
>> using following values in /boot/loader.conf :
>> 
>> bitmap_load="YES"# have tried commenting this out also
>> vesa_load="YES"
>> splash_bmp_load="YES"
>> bitmap_name="/boot/splash.bmp"
>> 
>> the splash.bmp size is about 900x700
>> does not work
>> am using /boot/loader.rc as preset (includes loader.4th and beastie.4th)

> Try putting vesa_load="YES" first.

The image must also be 256-color.

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Re: boot/loader splash image

[Pan Tsu]

Fbsd8  writes:

> wayne mitchell wrote:
>> hey
>> got question/problem for /boot/loader
>>
>> system: freeBSD 8.1-RELEASE GENERIC
>>
>> trying to get a bitmap onscreen for bootup
>> 
>>
>> have read man page for all boot associated stuff (loader.conf...)
>> and followed instructions
>> using following values in /boot/loader.conf :
>>
>> bitmap_load="YES"# have tried commenting this out also
>> vesa_load="YES"
>> splash_bmp_load="YES"
>> bitmap_name="/boot/splash.bmp"
>>
>> the splash.bmp size is about 900x700
>> does not work
>> am using /boot/loader.rc as preset (includes loader.4th and beastie.4th)
>
> Try putting vesa_load="YES" first.

It's not that useful without SC_PIXEL_MODE which is not in GENERIC.
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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[Joshua Isom]

On 7/17/2011 6:16 PM, Mario Lobo wrote:

On Sunday 17 July 2011 10:13:13 C. Bergström wrote:

In the specific case about Gnome - really if you care so much then you
can submit patches and contribute.  If nobody is willing to do the work
(scratch the itch) then ultimately it really doesn't matter.

I hope gnome does do this..   Maybe then more
people would forget about it and focus on making KDE better ;)



YES !! I hope so too.



What about enlightenment?  Most of it's BSD licensed, so it's currently 
probably the best BSD licensed desktop environment, due to lack of 
competition.

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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[Adam Vande More]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Outback Dingo wrote:

> and cloud computing instances anyway, Name one cloud provider providing
> FreeBSD 8x or 9X
> to run as instances. I know of one coming... question is are there
> others
>

There are plenty already.  Rootbsd for one, among others.  Also there
wouldn't be any supporting FBSD 9 since it's not released yet.

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Re: What is xz ?

[ill...@gmail.com]

On 12 July 2011 10:02, Christian Weisgerber  wrote:
> Robert Bonomi  wrote:
>
>> > Correct. I'm currently on 7-STABLE where it's "not yet" part of
>> > the base system, but my new 8.2-STABLE also has it in /usr/bin.
>> > I believe it has been introduced with version 8...
>>
>> It is part of  '7.2-RELEASE',
>
> It is not.
>

Confirmed, in that I can't find it in the svn tree until
around 8.1.  Can't find it in 7.x anywhere.

(Should be under contrib/xz )

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Re: ghghg

[ill...@gmail.com]

On 14 July 2011 00:48, Gary Kline  wrote:
> testing
>

Error reading intarnet (A)bort (R)etry (F)ail?

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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[Outback Dingo]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Adam Vande More wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Outback Dingo wrote:
>
>> and cloud computing instances anyway, Name one cloud provider providing
>> FreeBSD 8x or 9X
>> to run as instances. I know of one coming... question is are there
>> others
>>
>
> There are plenty already.  Rootbsd for one, among others.  Also there
> wouldn't be any supporting FBSD 9 since it's not released yet.
>

Im pretty sure they are only XEN based and not  "cloud" based per se, as
there appears to be no elasticity on demand, Granted RootBSD is nice
but on demand expansion of memory, cpu and disk under ones control is more
what i would describe as FreeBSD in  the cloud,


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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[Aryeh Friedman]

I am working on making a general purpose image for XEN (specifically
for rack space but since it is a common framework attempting to make
it vendor neutral)

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Outback Dingo  wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Adam Vande More 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Outback Dingo wrote:
>>
>>> and cloud computing instances anyway, Name one cloud provider providing
>>> FreeBSD 8x or 9X
>>> to run as instances. I know of one coming... question is are there
>>> others
>>>
>>
>> There are plenty already.  Rootbsd for one, among others.  Also there
>> wouldn't be any supporting FBSD 9 since it's not released yet.
>>
>
> Im pretty sure they are only XEN based and not  "cloud" based per se, as
> there appears to be no elasticity on demand, Granted RootBSD is nice
> but on demand expansion of memory, cpu and disk under ones control is more
> what i would describe as FreeBSD in  the cloud,
>
>
>> --
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>>
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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[perryh]

Joshua Isom  wrote:
> On 7/17/2011 6:16 PM, Mario Lobo wrote:
> > On Sunday 17 July 2011 10:13:13 C. Bergstr??m wrote:
> >> I hope gnome does [go Linux-only]..   Maybe then more
> >> people would forget about it and focus on making KDE better ;)
...
> What about enlightenment?

For us old-timers :)

What's the advantage of any of these "desktop environments" (Gnome,
KDE, enlightenment, Xfce) over ordinary X11 with (say) FVWM2 or TWM?
Certainly there are some useful apps that, for better or worse, are
built with gtk or the KDE toolkit, but what does the full-blown
environment really contribute (other than bloat)?
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Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore

[Joshua Isom]

On 7/18/2011 8:05 AM, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:

Joshua Isom  wrote:

On 7/17/2011 6:16 PM, Mario Lobo wrote:

On Sunday 17 July 2011 10:13:13 C. Bergstr??m wrote:

I hope gnome does [go Linux-only]..   Maybe then more
people would forget about it and focus on making KDE better ;)

...

What about enlightenment?


For us old-timers :)

What's the advantage of any of these "desktop environments" (Gnome,
KDE, enlightenment, Xfce) over ordinary X11 with (say) FVWM2 or TWM?
Certainly there are some useful apps that, for better or worse, are
built with gtk or the KDE toolkit, but what does the full-blown
environment really contribute (other than bloat)?


Desktop options are why linux has grown so well.  If gnome and KDE 
didn't exist, linux wouldn't have gotten the market share it did. 
Desktop environments are a foot in the door technique for server 
environments.  Windows clearly isn't the best server, especially older 
versions, but it's popular because desktop Windows is popular.  The 
"server" editions of linux distributions are almost mirrors of their 
desktops, gui and all.

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