Re: Why USB harddrive is so slow under FreeBSD?

2009-04-13 Thread Tim Judd
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Yuri  wrote:

> I have FreeBSD-71 running with USB controller:
> uhci0:  port 0xa800-0xa81f irq 21 at device 16.0
> on pci0
>
> I connected to it Toshiba USB hard drive HDDR500E03X:
> umass0:  on
> uhub4
> da0:  Fixed Direct Access SCSI-4 device
>
> When I try to copy data with 'dd if=/dev/da0s1 of=/dev/null count=1' it
> only achieves has 0.65MB/s transfer speed.
>
> What's wrong, why is it so slow?
>
> Yuri
>


uhci is 1.0 devices specs of 12Mbit/sec
ohci is 1.1 devices
ehci is 2.0 devices specs of 480Mbit/sec


Seeing various PCs boot and during the probe, typically I see 1 ehci, and
multiple uhci and ohci devices.


Your Toshiba External USB HDD must have 2.0 speeds to be able to transfer at
that speed... hooking a 2.0 device into a 1.x port will either cause port
shutdown, or a backwards compatible downstep for the device in terms of
speed.


Hope this explanation helps.

--TJ
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Re: is there a way to upgrade Only ports that need it??

2009-04-13 Thread Tim Judd
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Gary Kline  wrote:

>is there any way t o not upgrade "all installed ports", but only
>those that are not current?
>
>tired of having my main box grinding away for endless days
>
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Normally the 'all' option to your preferred update utility only picks the
outdated ports.  At least that's how I expect it.  Only if you *F*orce all
installed ports is when ALL ports irrespectively update whether they need it
or not.


I'm open for corrections...
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Re: is there a way to upgrade Only ports that need it??

2009-04-13 Thread Lars Eighner

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009, Gary Kline wrote:


is there any way t o not upgrade "all installed ports", but only
those that are not current?


What are you using to upgrade "all installed ports" that rebuilds ports that
are current?

This shouldn't happen with portupgrade or other port management tools even
if you use the "all" option.  However it is sometimes necessary to rebuild a
port if it depends upon something that is upgraded.  This is pretty much
unavoidable when applications share libraries.


tired of having my main box grinding away for endless days


You can persuade port management tools to use packages when packages are
available.

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Re: is there a way to upgrade Only ports that need it??

2009-04-13 Thread Frederique Rijsdijk

Gary Kline wrote:

is there any way t o not upgrade "all installed ports", but only
	those that are not current?  



portsnap fetch update && portupgrade -a

or you could

portsnap fetch update && pkg_version -v

.. and update the ports of your choice that are not up-to-date with the 
ports tree.



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Re: is there a way to upgrade Only ports that need it??

2009-04-13 Thread Matthew Seaman

Gary Kline wrote:

is there any way t o not upgrade "all installed ports", but only
	those that are not current?  


tired of having my main box grinding away for endless days


This is what programs like portmaster and portupgrade are designed to
do.  If you update your ports tree by portsnap or csup, grab a fresh
INDEX by 'make fetchindex' and then run (eg):

  portupgrade -a

it will update in dependency order all of your installed ports where a
newer version is available.

There are occasional exceptions where this procedure is not sufficient:
these are documented in /usr/ports/UPDATING, including instructions on
what needs to be done to get up to date.  Even so, while UPDATING
frequently recommends reinstalling more ports than the regular procedure,
it is still almost always a subset of your installed ports.

In fact, the only situation I have come across where is is required to
upgrade all of the ports on a machine is when upgrading over a major
version number.  Even that is a bit overkill -- there's no reason to
reinstall a port that consists of pure perl or php or shell code, or of
sets of images or other non-executable data.

Cheers,

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Re: is there a way to upgrade Only ports that need it??

2009-04-13 Thread Glyn Millington
Gary Kline  writes:

>   is there any way t o not upgrade "all installed ports", but only
>   those that are not current?  
>
>   tired of having my main box grinding away for endless days


portupgrade -akOP does the trick here. 

The time taken depends in large part on how many ports nned to be
upgraded.  If you keep your ports up to date regularly and often, the
periods of endless grinding wil be reduced.

atb



Glyn
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Re: is there a way to upgrade Only ports that need it??

2009-04-13 Thread Roland Smith
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 10:54:29PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
>   is there any way t o not upgrade "all installed ports", but only
>   those that are not current?  

portmaster -a -B -d
 
>   tired of having my main box grinding away for endless days

:-)

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Re: Why USB harddrive is so slow under FreeBSD?

2009-04-13 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:27:27AM -0600, Tim Judd wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Yuri  wrote:
> 
> > I have FreeBSD-71 running with USB controller:
> > uhci0:  port 0xa800-0xa81f irq 21 at device 16.0
> > on pci0
> >
> > I connected to it Toshiba USB hard drive HDDR500E03X:
> > umass0:  on
> > uhub4
> > da0:  Fixed Direct Access SCSI-4 device
> >
> > When I try to copy data with 'dd if=/dev/da0s1 of=/dev/null count=1' it
> > only achieves has 0.65MB/s transfer speed.
> >
> > What's wrong, why is it so slow?
> >
> > Yuri
> >
> 
> 
> uhci is 1.0 devices specs of 12Mbit/sec
> ohci is 1.1 devices

Not quite.  uhci and ohci are both just different ways of accessing USB 1.0
and 1.1 controllers.  uhci is used for controllers from Intel and Via, while
ohci is used for just about all other controllers. 
USB 1.0 and USB 1.1 both support 1.5Mbit/sec (Low Speed) and 12Mbit/sec
(Full Speed)


> ehci is 2.0 devices specs of 480Mbit/sec
> 
> 
> Seeing various PCs boot and during the probe, typically I see 1 ehci, and
> multiple uhci and ohci devices.

A normal USB controller chip will provide one or more UHCI or OHCI (but
never both) interfaces for handling Low and Full Speed devices and one
EHCI interface for handling Hi-Speed (480Mbit/sec) devices.
If you have several USB controllers in your computer you can indeed see
both uhci and ohci devices as well as several ehci devices.


> 
> 
> Your Toshiba External USB HDD must have 2.0 speeds to be able to transfer at
> that speed... hooking a 2.0 device into a 1.x port will either cause port
> shutdown, or a backwards compatible downstep for the device in terms of
> speed.
> 
> 
> Hope this explanation helps.
> 
> --TJ
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Re: USB SD-card reader recognized, but not working, on 6.1

2009-04-13 Thread Chris Rees
2009/4/10  :
> Polytropon  wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:47:23 -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
>> > It's an SD card, not a "drive", so I had not expected it to be
>> > partitioned; but yes, it is:
>> >
>> > $ ls -l /dev/da0*
>> > crw-r-  1 root  operator    0, 244 Feb 14 15:09 /dev/da0
>> > crw-r-  1 root  operator    0, 245 Feb 14 15:09 /dev/da0s1
>>
>> Why don't you expect this? As far as I know, if something is
>> msdosfs-formatted (read: any "Windows" readable file system,
>> FAT), it always involves a "slice device". I never found a
>> situation where access to /dev/da0 would work.
>
> My experience is exactly the reverse.  I've never before seen a
> removable-media device (floppy, Zip-drive, JAZ drive) that *did*
> have a DOS "partition" table aka BSD "slice" table.  Surely you
> would not expect a USB floppy to show up as /dev/da0s1?
>
> AFAIK the reason for creating slices is to identify sections of
> the device for use by different OS -- something often needed
> for multi-boot from a hard drive but seldom on removable media.
> I sure wasn't planning to use part of this SD card for my camera
> to store pictures on, and the rest for FreeBSD backups :)

Aha, careful. A flash drive/card is more like a removable hard drive.
Since it's so much bigger than a floppy etc (typically) it makes sense
to have a proper slice (partition) structure.

If you want to boot off a floppy, it's a different operation from
booting off a HDD for precisely this reason. Whereas a floppy isn't a
proper, 'fixed' type disk; it's a tiny thing, suitable for max ~10
files. There's no need to have the overhead of a partition table, MBR
etc. Same with CDs, booting off them involves several strange fudges
(El Torito).

Since a flash card would be a sensible thing to boot off, the
designers want it to look more like a hard drive; as well as having
the flexibility.

Chris


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problem with bridge + ipfw

2009-04-13 Thread Павел .
Hi!

I have faced such problem: Has established the bridge on FreeBSD 6.3 and the 
module if_bridge. But at me the traffic passing through the bridge is not 
filtered. Here so all looks:
Code:

#ifconfig
fxp0: flags=8943 mtu 1500
options=8
ether 00:a0:c9:65:c1:35
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX )
status: active
fxp1: flags=8943 mtu 1500
options=8
ether 00:90:27:85:b7:95
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX )
status: active
rl0: flags=8802 mtu 1500
options=8
ether 4c:00:10:60:67:ca
media: Ethernet autoselect
status: no carrier
re0: flags=8843 mtu 1500
options=1b
inet 192.168.5.28 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.5.255
ether 00:0f:ea:f9:a6:ff
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX )
status: active
plip0: flags=108810 mtu 1500
lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384
inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x6 
inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 
inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00 
bridge0: flags=8843 mtu 1500
ether b6:c3:a2:cc:06:65
id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 hellotime 2 fwddelay 15
maxage 20 holdcnt 6 proto stp maxaddr 100 timeout 1200
root id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 ifcost 0 port 0
member: fxp1 flags=143
member: fxp0 flags=143


#sysctl -a |grep bridge
net.link.ether.bridge_cfg: 
net.link.ether.bridge_ipfw: 1
net.link.ether.bridge_ipf: 0
net.link.ether.bridge.config: 
net.link.ether.bridge.enable: 0
net.link.ether.bridge.predict: 0
net.link.ether.bridge.dropped: 0
net.link.ether.bridge.packets: 0
net.link.ether.bridge.ipfw_collisions: 0
net.link.ether.bridge.ipfw_drop: 0
net.link.ether.bridge.copy: 0
net.link.ether.bridge.ipfw: 1
net.link.ether.bridge.ipf: 0
net.link.ether.bridge.debug: 0
net.link.ether.bridge.version: 031224
net.link.bridge.pfil_onlyip: 0
net.link.bridge.ipfw_arp: 0
net.link.bridge.pfil_bridge: 1
net.link.bridge.pfil_member: 1
net.link.bridge.pfil_local_phys: 1
net.link.bridge.log_stp: 0
net.link.bridge.ipfw: 1



#ipfw show
ipfw show
00100 0   0 allow ip from 85.159.31.54 to any layer2 via bridge0
00200 65885 allow ip from 85.159.31.54 to any layer2
00300 0   0 allow ip from 85.159.31.54 to any layer2 via fxp1
00400 0   0 allow ip from 85.159.31.54 to any layer2 via fxp0
00500 0   0 allow ip from 85.159.31.54 to any via fxp0
00600 0   0 allow ip from 85.159.31.54 to any layer2 via 
bridge0 mac-type 0x8100
00700 0   0 allow ip from 85.159.31.54 to any via bridge0 
mac-type 0x8100
00800 0   0 allow ip from 85.159.31.54 to any via fxp0 mac-type 
0x8100
00900 0   0 allow ip from 85.159.31.54 to any via fxp1 mac-type 
0x8100
01000 0   0 allow ip from 85.159.31.54 to any via bridge0 
layer2 MAC any any mac-type 0x8100
01100 0   0 allow ip from 85.159.31.54 to any via bridge0 MAC 
any any mac-type 0x8100
01200 0   0 allow ip from 85.159.31.54 to any via bridge0 
mac-type 0x8100
01300  10874732   657168582 count ip from any to any layer2 via bridge0
01400 82562 7154845 count ip from any to any not layer2 via bridge0
01500  10611069   640854269 count ip from any to any layer2 via bridge0 
mac-type 0x8100
01600 77929 6682967 count ip from any to any layer2 via bridge0 
mac-type 0x0800
01700 0   0 count ip from any to any not layer2 via bridge0 
mac-type 0x8100
01800 0   0 count ip from any to any not layer2 via bridge0 
mac-type 0x0800
01900 0   0 count ip from any to any not layer2 via bridge0 
mac-type 0x8100
02000 0   0 count ip from 85.159.31.54 to any layer2 via 
bridge0 mac-type 0x8100
02100 0   0 count ip from 85.159.31.54 to any layer2 via 
bridge0 mac-type 0x0800
02200 0   0 count ip from 85.159.31.54 to any not layer2 via 
bridge0 mac-type 0x8100
02300 0   0 count ip from 85.159.31.54 to any not layer2 via 
bridge0 mac-type 0x0800
02400640285   437872365 count ip from any to any layer2 via fxp0
02500  4019  426922 count ip from any to any not layer2 via fxp0
02600621668   426064356 count ip from any to any layer2 via fxp0 mac-type 
0x8100
02700  1091  142307 count ip from any to any layer2 via fxp0 mac-type 
0x0800
02800 0   0 count ip from any to any not layer2 via fxp0 
mac-type 0x8100
02900 0   0 count ip from any to any not layer2 via fxp0 
mac-type 0x0800
65535 146210062 61716361162 allow ip from any to any

The scheme of connection:
<--cisco-trunk--><--bridge--><--cisco-trunk-->

how you can see most packedges do not upper layer2. I wish to know, how I can 
filter them? If i use instead of one Catalyst simple hub, packages are 
filtered. In what there can be a problem?

Splash screen colour issues

2009-04-13 Thread Eugene L.
Hello everyone, I have a FreeBSD 7.1-Release (generic kernel), and I am 
trying to make splash screen feature work properly, so I followed the 
procedure described in handbook and the splash screen actually loads, 
except the black is now white, red is violet, etc.


So all the colours of the bitmap are messed up, and I checked, they fit 
the requirements and I've tried other pics and pcx format. I tried gimp, 
photoshop. The issue isn't pic related


What could possibly be the reason?

I use Sapphire Radeon X1600 Pro AGP
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HOWTO Apache + SSL

2009-04-13 Thread Pieter Donche
Where can I find a really good FreeBSD7 step by step HOW-TO on setting 
up digital certifcates (SSL) for the Apache22. 
My apache22 is running on my freebsd7 system but I never set up any

apache httpd server for https access yet ...
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Re: HOWTO Apache + SSL

2009-04-13 Thread Andrew Gould
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Pieter Donche wrote:

> Where can I find a really good FreeBSD7 step by step HOW-TO on setting up
> digital certifcates (SSL) for the Apache22. My apache22 is running on my
> freebsd7 system but I never set up any
> apache httpd server for https access yet ...
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I use apache 2.2, which comes with SSL.  All you have to do is create/sign
the certificate and configure the file httpd.conf.  I've used the same setup
from FreeBSD 6.* to FreeBSD 7.1.

A quick google for 'apache2 ssl freebsd' led me here:

http://codesnippets.joyent.com/posts/show/802

Best of luck,

Andrew
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../../../dev/ath/if_ath.c:3414: error: 'const struct ath_rx_status' has no member named 'rs_flags'

2009-04-13 Thread tethys ocean
I am using  7.1-STABLE FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE #   on one of the my servers. This
server was working properly for long time. Electricty is often break down
and this server isnt behind UPS. Today I have found it as shutdown and than
opened it but some servis/daemon hasn't work (such as mysql etc) I have done
fschk etc. And than I want to update since it is working so so slow. Than I
have update source tree and rebuild kernel and "make depend" has been
passing well and than "make" state fail,  error log(stdout) is shown bellow.

[r...@witch /usr/src/sys/i386/compile/WITCH]# make
cc -c -O -pipe  -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs
-Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline
-Wcast-qual  -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -nostdinc  -I.
-I../../.. -I../../../contrib/altq -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS
-include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param
inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000
-mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2  -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow
-mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Werror
../../../dev/ath/if_ath.c -I../../../dev/ath
../../../dev/ath/if_ath.c: In function 'ath_rx_tap':
../../../dev/ath/if_ath.c:3414: error: 'const struct ath_rx_status' has no
member named 'rs_flags'
../../../dev/ath/if_ath.c:3416: error: 'const struct ath_rx_status' has no
member named 'rs_flags'
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/sys/i386/compile/WITCH.

I read some mail and paper about this error it is saying this is bug freebsd
bug... but I got suspicious because I did so many times kernel
rebuild+update source tree. It hasnt fail with this stdout. Why now?

thank a lot


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Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-13 Thread Tsu-Fan Cheng
Hi,
correct me if I am wrong, but is it true that ntfsprogs is the
only port that comes with formating disk into NTFS system? because
days ago I also had this problem with my friend's extra USB 1T HD, I
had to use my windows laptop to do the job. thanks!!


TFC

On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Chris Rees  wrote:
> 2009/4/11 Jan Henrik Sylvester :
>> Chris Rees wrote:
>>>
>>> 2009/4/11 Jan Henrik Sylvester :

 Yuri wrote:
>
> I need to format NTFS partition to give HD to someone to write things

 mkntfs from sysutils/ntfsprogs should do it.

>>>
>>> Yuri had already written ONE LINE below your quote:
>>>
 I tried to use mkntfs from ports/ntfsprogs but it didn't finish after an
 extremely long time, > 24hrs.
>>
>> Yes, sorry, I totally failed to make my point, since I scrapped that line
>> and forgot about it writing the mail. (The important part was in the
>> parenthesis you removed.)
>>
>> My point is that I had problems with ntfsresize from ntfsprogs-2.0.0 not
>> working, while ntfsresize from ntfsprogs-1.13.1 was doing just fine. (I hit
>> that twice -- on different computers.)
>>
>> Thus, I would suggest to try mkntfs from ntfsprogs-1.13.1, if mkntfs from
>> ntfsprogs-2.0.0 fails.
>>
>> If the older mkntfs works, it would be another reason to revive the old
>> port.
>>
>> ntfsprogs-2.0.0 was criticized, for example in the thread ending with this
>> posting:
>> http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2008-May/msg02306.html
>>
>> A developer from ntfs-3g that formerly worked on ntfsprogs recommends to use
>> the older version: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#ntfsprogs
>>
>> I do not really know who is right, but ntfs-3g is actively developed while
>> ntfsprogs is not, other people seem to trust ntfs-3g more than the newer
>> version of ntfsprogs, and the arguments of the ntfs-3g developer sound
>> reasonable.
>>
>> I wrote about it last year (before I actually hit problems):
>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2008-August/050157.html
>>
>> The reply was that there are no new problems known with the 2.0.0 version:
>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2008-August/050406.html
>>
>> I would like to have ntfsprogs-1.13.1 back -- as ports/ntfsprogs1 or by
>> reverting ports/ntfsprogs. Thus, Yuri, please try and report back.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jan Henrik
>>
>
> Hah, sorry for the vicious reply from me. Don't take it personally, I
> just snapped this time at reading what looked like a dupe >< I promise
> I'll lay off the coffee for a bit.
>
> Chris
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Re: HOWTO Apache + SSL

2009-04-13 Thread Sergio Tam
2009/4/13 Pieter Donche :
> Where can I find a really good FreeBSD7 step by step HOW-TO on setting up
> digital certifcates (SSL) for the Apache22. My apache22 is running on my
> freebsd7 system but I never set up any
> apache httpd server for https access yet ...


Hi

I hope this help you

http://www.bsdguides.org/guides/freebsd/webserver/apache_ssl_php_mysql.php


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Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-13 Thread Chris Rees
2009/4/13 Tsu-Fan Cheng :
> Hi,
>    correct me if I am wrong, but is it true that ntfsprogs is the
> only port that comes with formating disk into NTFS system? because
> days ago I also had this problem with my friend's extra USB 1T HD, I
> had to use my windows laptop to do the job. thanks!!
>
>
> TFC
>

NTFS is one of the 'crown jewels' at Microsoft, who consider the idea
of sharing ideas despicable. The only way to get information about it
is to reverse-engineer the format, which is such a bugger that not
many people are interested enough in doing. Ntfsprogs is the only tool
(AFAIK) that can do that.

Read Jan's part though
http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=1743061+0+archive/2009/freebsd-questions/20090412.freebsd-questions

Sorry,

Chris

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Re: questions about Fatal Trap 12

2009-04-13 Thread Ray
Thanks Paul and Chris,
So what It comes down to is that this error is most likely a hardware problem, 
and I'll just have to bring the machine down for hardware replacement and/or 
testing?
Thanks,
Ray



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Re: ../../../dev/ath/if_ath.c:3414: error: 'const struct ath_rx_status' has no member named 'rs_flags'

2009-04-13 Thread Manolis Kiagias
tethys ocean wrote:
> I am using  7.1-STABLE FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE #   on one of the my servers. This
> server was working properly for long time. Electricty is often break down
> and this server isnt behind UPS. Today I have found it as shutdown and than
> opened it but some servis/daemon hasn't work (such as mysql etc) I have done
> fschk etc. And than I want to update since it is working so so slow. Than I
> have update source tree and rebuild kernel and "make depend" has been
> passing well and than "make" state fail,  error log(stdout) is shown bellow.
>
> [r...@witch /usr/src/sys/i386/compile/WITCH]# make
> cc -c -O -pipe  -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs
> -Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline
> -Wcast-qual  -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -nostdinc  -I.
> -I../../.. -I../../../contrib/altq -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS
> -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param
> inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000
> -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2  -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow
> -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Werror
> ../../../dev/ath/if_ath.c -I../../../dev/ath
> ../../../dev/ath/if_ath.c: In function 'ath_rx_tap':
> ../../../dev/ath/if_ath.c:3414: error: 'const struct ath_rx_status' has no
> member named 'rs_flags'
> ../../../dev/ath/if_ath.c:3416: error: 'const struct ath_rx_status' has no
> member named 'rs_flags'
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/src/sys/i386/compile/WITCH.
>
> I read some mail and paper about this error it is saying this is bug freebsd
> bug... but I got suspicious because I did so many times kernel
> rebuild+update source tree. It hasnt fail with this stdout. Why now?
>
> thank a lot
>   

This is probably due to the changes in the atheros driver. You will have
to update your kernel configuration file. Please read /usr/src/UPDATING
and this thread:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-March/195075.html
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How to diagnose hardware problem?

2009-04-13 Thread John Almberg
I have what looks like a hardware problem with an Intel 1U server,  
which I am using mainly as a mysql database server for some of my  
bigger website clients.


The server went down last week with a badly corrupted file system.

After spending a day trying to fix the file system, we gave up and  
did a fresh install of FreeBSD, PF, and mysql, using our daily  
backups to restore the database. It all seemed to work fine until I  
switched the websites from the temporary database server that I had  
been using, onto the restored server.


The database ran well for about 2 minutes, then the server crashed  
again. The filesystem was again corrupted so badly that we could not  
even log in to look at the logs.


We've reinstalled FreeBSD again, just to be able to SSH into the box.  
It looks like there is probably a hardware problem, like a bad power  
supply or overheating CPU that fails when the load of the database is  
applied.


Problem is, I have no idea how to determine which bits are failing.  
Can anyone suggest a favorite book or website that focuses on how to  
troubleshoot hardware issues?


Thanks: John

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ifconfig ndis0 up scan doesn't find my ap

2009-04-13 Thread Scott Bennett
 On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:00:58 -0700 Steve Franks 
wrote:
>I get this behavior on 2 completely different laptops, one on
>7.0-release, and the other on 7-stable.  ndio0 [broadcom :( ] comes
>right up in dmesg, and ifconfig(), but it won't find any AP's - is
>this known? - because I can google people with lots of different ndis0
>problems (mostly on 5.x and 6.x), but not this particular one...I seem
>some warning about not supporting AP's in the handbook for ndis, but
>it seems to be under the 'build your own AP from freebsd and a nic
>section', so I'm hoping it doesn't apply, cause my shiny new lenovo
>s10e has a really ugly looking broadcom slot, not minipci.  Must be
>something new like micro pci, but at any rate, I would prefer not to
>have to hack my bios to get it to boot with a non-broadcom nic in it
>anyways.  ndisgen has always been an acceptable, if distasteful,
>solution in past days.
>
 I use ndis on an Inspiron XPS with a Dell 1450 wireless card, which
uses a Broadcom chipset.  I'm still running 6.3, but 7.x probably acts
the same way.  It takes *two* ifconfig commands to get the interface
up and working.  The "up" has to appear by itself on the first ifconfig.
Once that completes okay, I then run a second ifconfig with the rest of
the options.  In other words, if I do

# ifconfig ndis0 up [rest of options]

all that happens is the interface comes "up", and the rest of the options
are ignored.  If I do

# ifconfig ndis0 up
# ifconfig ndis0 [rest of options]

all is well.  That means, of course, that I end up having to do it manually
because the stuff in /etc/rc.d doesn't handle more than one ifconfig per
interface on system startup. :-(


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Re: questions about Fatal Trap 12

2009-04-13 Thread Vasadi I. Claudiu Florin

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:31:31 +0300, Ray  wrote:


Thanks Paul and Chris,
So what It comes down to is that this error is most likely a hardware  
problem,
and I'll just have to bring the machine down for hardware replacement  
and/or

testing?



Usually yes. Back in the days when I had that sort of problems, it was  
memory related. So I changed the memory (memtest yelled in errors) and all  
was ok afterwards

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Re: How to diagnose hardware problem?

2009-04-13 Thread John Almberg


First things first; if the machine is still in warranty, don't mess  
with

it but send it back to the manufacturer and demand a replacement.


It is in warranty and I am following their process. I'm hoping to  
short-circuit that process by finding the problem on my own, if  
possible. Plus, I've never really had to deal with a hardware failure  
before, so it's a good learning process.




If the machine is out of warranty, you might consider replacing it
altogether. My employer's IT department ditches PC's and servers at  
the first
failure after the warranty runs out. Accordinf to them it's cheaper  
than

repairing them.


But if you want to have a go, this might help:
http://www.daileyint.com/hmdpc/manual.htm

Basically, it's just a problem of elimination.

First check if your machine is the only one having problems at the
hosting site. Maybe they have unstable electrical power.

Then make sure that all expansion cards and RAM are well-seated, and
that all connectors are OK. Also check that there is no dust build- 
up on

e.g. fans and heatsinks. If necessary, clean carefully with (dry, oil
free) compressed air. Dust can lead to short circuits or reduced
cooling. Next, look for capacitors that have leaked fluid, or have
bulging metal end plates on the motherboard; those are dead or
dying. It's a leading cause of motherboard failure. It is possible to
replace them, but you'll need the right equipment:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fixing-motherboard,1606.html

Install a monitoring program like mbmon or healthd, and have it log to
another machine or a USB stick mounted syncronously. Monitor CPU
temperature, fan speeds and the different voltages. Not all power
supplies are created equally. See the articles at tom's hardware:
  http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Components,1/Power-Supplies,6/

If you've found nothing so far, it's time to start swapping out
components, starting with the power supply.


This is all good stuff to try. Thanks.

-- John

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Fwd: How to diagnose hardware problem?

2009-04-13 Thread John Almberg

On Apr 13, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote:



The database ran well for about 2 minutes, then the server crashed  
again. The filesystem was again corrupted so badly that we could  
not even log in to look at the logs.


did memtest? it looks like it's fine until you stress your hardware


I didn't, but I just installed it and am running it at the moment. So  
far, so good.


The machine has 1G of memory, but I could not get an mlock unless I  
request 100 Meg or less. That is, I need to run something like:


# memtest 100

Does this sound right? If I run with 125 Meg, I get the following:

# memtest 125
memtester version 4.0.8 (64-bit)
Copyright (C) 2007 Charles Cazabon.
Licensed under the GNU General Public License version 2 (only).

pagesize is 4096
pagesizemask is 0xf000
want 125MB (131072000 bytes)
got  125MB (131072000 bytes), trying mlock ...failed for unknown reason.
Continuing with unlocked memory; testing will be slower and less  
reliable.

Loop 1:
  Stuck Address   : ok
  Random Value: ok
  Compare XOR : ok
  Compare SUB : ok
  Compare MUL : ok
etc...


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6.2 STABLE to 6.2 RELEASE problem

2009-04-13 Thread Philip van Ulden
Hello,

I was wondering if anyone might have some insight into this problem
I'm having.  I've downgraded a 6.2 STABLE system to 6.2 RELEASE for
the purpose of being able to upgrade it via freebsd-update.

I followed the steps as detailed here:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html

To summarize, the currently recommended way of upgrading FreeBSD from
sources is:

# cd /usr/src
# make buildworld
# make buildkernel
# make installkernel
# shutdown -r now

Note: There are a few rare cases when an extra run of mergemaster
-p is needed before the buildworld step. These are described in
UPDATING. In general, though, you can safely omit this step if you are
not updating across one or more major FreeBSD versions.

After installkernel finishes successfully, you should boot in single
user mode (i.e. using boot -s from the loader prompt). Then run:

# adjkerntz -i
# mount -a -t ufs
# mergemaster -p
# cd /usr/src
# make installworld
# mergemaster
# reboot

Now, after I reboot, I get an error when it tries mounting /usr:

NO WRITE ACCESS
INCONSISTENCIES FOUND, run fsck MANUALLY!

So, I did that and it found some free block inconsistencies and fixed
those but it is still bailing when it tries mounting /usr on the
reboot. I can boot to single user mode and run fsck -p and that is
fine.  I can mount the partition manually and browse through the files
fine.  One other weird thing is that it seems to mount /dev/md0 on
/var as well which doesn't look right.  Nothing in /etc/fstab about
it.  Maybe some other file that got mixed up during mergemaster?  I
said "fix later" for all files mergemaster came back with.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance!
Phil.
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Re: How to diagnose hardware problem?

2009-04-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar


The database ran well for about 2 minutes, then the server crashed again. The 
filesystem was again corrupted so badly that we could not even log in to look 
at the logs.


did memtest? it looks like it's fine until you stress your hardware



We've reinstalled FreeBSD again, just to be able to SSH into the box. It 
looks like there is probably a hardware problem, like a bad power supply or 
overheating CPU that fails when the load of the database is applied.


Problem is, I have no idea how to determine which bits are failing. Can 
anyone suggest a favorite book or website that focuses on how to troubleshoot 
hardware issues?


Thanks: John

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Re: How to diagnose hardware problem?

2009-04-13 Thread Roland Smith
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:07:25PM -0400, John Almberg wrote:
> I have what looks like a hardware problem with an Intel 1U server,  
> which I am using mainly as a mysql database server for some of my  
> bigger website clients.
> 
> The server went down last week with a badly corrupted file system.
> 
> After spending a day trying to fix the file system, we gave up and  
> did a fresh install of FreeBSD, PF, and mysql, using our daily  
> backups to restore the database. It all seemed to work fine until I  
> switched the websites from the temporary database server that I had  
> been using, onto the restored server.
> 
> The database ran well for about 2 minutes, then the server crashed  
> again. The filesystem was again corrupted so badly that we could not  
> even log in to look at the logs.
> 
> We've reinstalled FreeBSD again, just to be able to SSH into the box.  
> It looks like there is probably a hardware problem, like a bad power  
> supply or overheating CPU that fails when the load of the database is  
> applied.
> 
> Problem is, I have no idea how to determine which bits are failing.  
> Can anyone suggest a favorite book or website that focuses on how to  
> troubleshoot hardware issues?

First things first; if the machine is still in warranty, don't mess with
it but send it back to the manufacturer and demand a replacement.

If the machine is out of warranty, you might consider replacing it
altogether. My employer's IT department ditches PC's and servers at the first
failure after the warranty runs out. Accordinf to them it's cheaper than
repairing them.


But if you want to have a go, this might help:
http://www.daileyint.com/hmdpc/manual.htm 

Basically, it's just a problem of elimination.

First check if your machine is the only one having problems at the
hosting site. Maybe they have unstable electrical power.

Then make sure that all expansion cards and RAM are well-seated, and
that all connectors are OK. Also check that there is no dust build-up on
e.g. fans and heatsinks. If necessary, clean carefully with (dry, oil
free) compressed air. Dust can lead to short circuits or reduced
cooling. Next, look for capacitors that have leaked fluid, or have
bulging metal end plates on the motherboard; those are dead or
dying. It's a leading cause of motherboard failure. It is possible to
replace them, but you'll need the right equipment:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fixing-motherboard,1606.html

Install a monitoring program like mbmon or healthd, and have it log to
another machine or a USB stick mounted syncronously. Monitor CPU
temperature, fan speeds and the different voltages. Not all power
supplies are created equally. See the articles at tom's hardware:
  http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Components,1/Power-Supplies,6/ 

If you've found nothing so far, it's time to start swapping out
components, starting with the power supply.


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Re: ../../../dev/ath/if_ath.c:3414: error: 'const struct ath_rx_status' has no member named 'rs_flags'

2009-04-13 Thread tethys ocean
thank a lot i found info in UPDATING just below

20090312:
 The open-source Atheros HAL has been merged from HEAD
 to STABLE.
 The kernel compile-time option AH_SUPPORT_AR5416 has been
 added to support certain newer Atheros parts, particularly
 PCI-Express chipsets.
 The following modules are no longer available, and should be
 removed from MODULES_OVERRIDE and/or loader.conf:-
 ath_hal ath_rate_amrr ath_rate_onoe ath_rate_sample

i added some line to my loader.conf shown in below

ath_load="YES"
ath_hal_load="YES"
ath_rate_amrr="YES"

and added to my kernel such lines

device  ath # Atheros pci/cardbus NIC's
device  ath_hal # Atheros HAL (Hardware Access Layer)
options AH_SUPPORT_AR5416   # enable AR5416 tx/rx descriptors
device  ath_rate_sample # SampleRate tx rate control for ath


but  "make"  fail changed just like as shown below


/usr/src/sys/modules/ath/../../dev/ath/if_ath.c: In function 'ath_rx_tap':
/usr/src/sys/modules/ath/../../dev/ath/if_ath.c:3414: error: 'const struct
ath_rx_status' has no member named 'rs_flags'
/usr/src/sys/modules/ath/../../dev/ath/if_ath.c:3416: error: 'const struct
ath_rx_status' has no member named 'rs_flags'
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules/ath.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules.
*** Error code 1





On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Manolis Kiagias wrote:

> tethys ocean wrote:
> > I am using  7.1-STABLE FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE #   on one of the my servers.
> This
> > server was working properly for long time. Electricty is often break down
> > and this server isnt behind UPS. Today I have found it as shutdown and
> than
> > opened it but some servis/daemon hasn't work (such as mysql etc) I have
> done
> > fschk etc. And than I want to update since it is working so so slow. Than
> I
> > have update source tree and rebuild kernel and "make depend" has been
> > passing well and than "make" state fail,  error log(stdout) is shown
> bellow.
> >
> > [r...@witch /usr/src/sys/i386/compile/WITCH]# make
> > cc -c -O -pipe  -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs
> > -Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline
> > -Wcast-qual  -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -nostdinc  -I.
> > -I../../.. -I../../../contrib/altq -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS
> > -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param
> > inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000
> > -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2  -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow
> > -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Werror
> > ../../../dev/ath/if_ath.c -I../../../dev/ath
> > ../../../dev/ath/if_ath.c: In function 'ath_rx_tap':
> > ../../../dev/ath/if_ath.c:3414: error: 'const struct ath_rx_status' has
> no
> > member named 'rs_flags'
> > ../../../dev/ath/if_ath.c:3416: error: 'const struct ath_rx_status' has
> no
> > member named 'rs_flags'
> > *** Error code 1
> >
> > Stop in /usr/src/sys/i386/compile/WITCH.
> >
> > I read some mail and paper about this error it is saying this is bug
> freebsd
> > bug... but I got suspicious because I did so many times kernel
> > rebuild+update source tree. It hasnt fail with this stdout. Why now?
> >
> > thank a lot
> >
>
> This is probably due to the changes in the atheros driver. You will have
> to update your kernel configuration file. Please read /usr/src/UPDATING
> and this thread:
>
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-March/195075.html
>



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does ndisgen work with(mini) pci-E cards?

2009-04-13 Thread Steve Franks
My new laptop is the fist I've seen with mini-pci-express.  Major
PITA.  I get ndis0 after ndisgen/kldload/etc, but I can see any AP's,
and I'm wondering if it's due to the new bus?  I suspect I'm barking
up the wrong tree since the driver does get loaded, it's probably
finding the card...other thoughts I'm having is alot of Q&A I've
googled makes reference to the speficic rev of ndis (4.0, 5.0,
5.1)...maybe that's an issue...

Best,
Steve
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Re: 6.2 STABLE to 6.2 RELEASE problem

2009-04-13 Thread Vasadi I. Claudiu Florin

My gues is that you messed something up with mergemaster - /etc/fstab.
Can you post it's content?
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mayday, mayday

2009-04-13 Thread Gary Kline

having unknown networking problems.  cannot ping anyone.  is this going
anywhere?


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Re: 6.2 STABLE to 6.2 RELEASE problem

2009-04-13 Thread Brian A. Seklecki
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 16:29 -0230, Philip van Ulden wrote:
> One other weird thing is that it seems to mount /dev/md0 on
> /var as well which doesn't look right.  

That code happens for some reason in /etc/rc.d/var.  That's all I have
for you.  

Your downgrade plan sounds very Linux/Windows'y.  Binary upgrades in
general.  

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Re: does ndisgen work with(mini) pci-E cards?

2009-04-13 Thread Neal Hogan
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Steve Franks  wrote:
> My new laptop is the fist I've seen with mini-pci-express.  Major
> PITA.  I get ndis0 after ndisgen/kldload/etc, but I can see any AP's,
> and I'm wondering if it's due to the new bus?  I suspect I'm barking
> up the wrong tree since the driver does get loaded, it's probably
> finding the card...other thoughts I'm having is alot of Q&A I've
> googled makes reference to the speficic rev of ndis (4.0, 5.0,
> 5.1)...maybe that's an issue...
>
> Best,
> Steve
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This isn't going to be much help, but it may add to your relief/dismay
. . . I hope it's the former.

I had enough problems trying to get my Broadcom card (mini-pci -
BCM94306MP)  to work that i gave up and just plug it in. I would get
it installed and it would panic. You seem to have avoided that . . .
good. What .sys and .inf files are you using? From what I understand,
you need/should try a bunch 'til one works.

I wish you the best of luck!

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Re: mayday, mayday

2009-04-13 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:33:08 -0700, Gary Kline  wrote:
> having unknown networking problems.  cannot ping anyone.  is this going
> anywhere?

*** chrrr *** RX UFB QUALITY 5, HOW COPY? OVER! :-) *** s ***

Checked firewall settings? (I had the same problem, out of my
own stupidity.)

Checked /etc/resolv.conf?



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Re: ../../../dev/ath/if_ath.c:3414: error: 'const struct ath_rx_status' has no member named 'rs_flags'

2009-04-13 Thread Manolis Kiagias
tethys ocean wrote:
> thank a lot i found info in UPDATING just below
>
> 20090312:
>  The open-source Atheros HAL has been merged from HEAD
>  to STABLE.
>  The kernel compile-time option AH_SUPPORT_AR5416 has been
>  added to support certain newer Atheros parts, particularly
>  PCI-Express chipsets.
>  The following modules are no longer available, and should be
>  removed from MODULES_OVERRIDE and/or loader.conf:-
>  ath_hal ath_rate_amrr ath_rate_onoe ath_rate_sample
>
> i added some line to my loader.conf shown in below
>
> ath_load="YES"
> ath_hal_load="YES"
> ath_rate_amrr="YES"
>

According to UPDATING, you should *remove* these.  You are building the
driver into the kernel anyway.

> and added to my kernel such lines
> device  ath # Atheros pci/cardbus NIC's
> device  ath_hal # Atheros HAL (Hardware Access Layer)
> options AH_SUPPORT_AR5416   # enable AR5416 tx/rx descriptors
>
> device  ath_rate_sample # SampleRate tx rate control for ath
>

I suggest you try building the GENERIC kernel (take care to use the new
GENERIC conf file that you received with the sources, not an older
version you were keeping somewhere else). If that compiles, there is a
problem with your conf. 
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Re: change in kernel config file

2009-04-13 Thread ill...@gmail.com
2009/4/12 Robert Huff :
>
>
>>  As to libusb:
>>  -CURRENT does not need (actually needs to not have)
>>  devel/libusb since its functionality(?) is part of the base system
>>  now (post feb09).
>>  What I did:
>
>        This is after installing the new kernel+world, right?
>

Indeed.  I didn't notice until I was trying to update
sysutils/hal and the build barfed on some usb references,
so I didn't really do it all in an orderly manner.

HTH

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Re: (OT) good laptop hardware repair group or forum

2009-04-13 Thread Chris Whitehouse

Graeme Dargie wrote:




My grandmother had a HP that just died too.  My brother took the first stab
at it, describing it as a likely "DC-DC converter" problem, and I was seeing
indication of a bad seat on the CPU.  It was working just fine and for the
CPU to become unseated is not likely.  I tore that machine apart until I
couldn't figure out how to get the top or bottom plate off that surrounds
the motherboard.  I didn't fix it, but we all gave up and she went and
bought another system.


The DC-DC converter is what takes the 18V (or whatever) the mains/battery
supplies, and breaks it out into the 3.3V, 5V, 12V, etc needed to power all
the various components.


Someone pointed me to this service manual http://tinyurl.com/de6luh. You 
might find one for yours on the HP site. I suspect something similar has 
happened to mine, I'm going to take it to a shop for advice, some of 
them will do component level fixes which is cheaper than a new motherboard.


Chris
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CUPS

2009-04-13 Thread Bob Falanga
I have installed cups on freebsd.
The printer configures OK.
When I try a test print in localhost:631 I get an error message:
/usr/local/libexec/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failedI need help with this one.

Thank you,
Bob Falanga
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Re: CUPS

2009-04-13 Thread Peter Ulrich Kruppa
Am Montag, den 13.04.2009, 22:01 -0400 schrieb Bob Falanga:
> I have installed cups on freebsd.
> The printer configures OK.
> When I try a test print in localhost:631 I get an error message:
> /usr/local/libexec/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failedI need help with this one.
> 
What happens when you install /usr/ports/print/foomatic-filters
and restart cups with
# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/cupsd restart
?

Greetings

Uli.
 
> Thank you,
> Bob Falanga
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add to mailing list

2009-04-13 Thread Rajeev Sharma
Kindly add me in FreeBSD mailing list


rajb3...@gmail.com
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Re: CUPS

2009-04-13 Thread Dave Feustel
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:01:32PM -0400, Bob Falanga wrote:
> I have installed cups on freebsd.
> The printer configures OK.
> When I try a test print in localhost:631 I get an error message:
> /usr/local/libexec/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failedI need help with this one.
> 
> Thank you,
> Bob Falanga

I also am having problems printing on Suse 11 with CUPS from Maple
version 12 (Maple, using its own copy of JRT 1.6 finds no printer
services).  There is a new (2008) book on CUPS administration which I will
shortly be ordering from amazon.com since CUPS appears to be the wave of
the future.
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Re: CUPS

2009-04-13 Thread Peter Ulrich Kruppa
Am Dienstag, den 14.04.2009, 04:14 + schrieb Dave Feustel:
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:01:32PM -0400, Bob Falanga wrote:

> I also am having problems printing on Suse 11 with CUPS from Maple
> version 12 (Maple, using its own copy of JRT 1.6 finds no printer
> services).  There is a new (2008) book on CUPS administration which I will
> shortly be ordering from amazon.com since CUPS appears to be the wave of
> the future.
Is your printer attached to a SUSE or a FreeBSD machine?
Where do you run Maple - on SUSE or FreeBSD?

Greetings

Uli.
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Re: is there a way to upgrade Only ports that need it??

2009-04-13 Thread Gary Kline
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 09:22:25AM +0200, Roland Smith wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 10:54:29PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> > is there any way t o not upgrade "all installed ports", but only
> > those that are not current?  
> 
> portmaster -a -B -d
>  
> > tired of having my main box grinding away for endless days
> 
> :-)
> 


well, gents, i think that Roland (and a couple others) have it
figured out.  how-to upgrade the necessary and
keep-it-simple-sir.

i spent, nay, wasted 8+ hours early this ayem locatime because my
pfsense firewall was broken.  long long story, which has inspired
yet another question that i'll post separately if/when i have the
bloody energy.

yours in exhaustion,

gary

ps: thanks, y'all:)



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