Re: Good resources for BSDL vs. GPL?
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > Does anyone have a good resource for an objective discussion of GPL vs. > BSDL? The upstream for one of the ports I maintain is considering > switching licenses, and I'd like to present some non-inflammatory facts > for him to consider. > > Please cc me on replies, since I'm not subscribed to this list. > > Doug > > -- > >This .signature sanitized for your protection > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_software_licenses http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_software_licenses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_licenses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Software_licenses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Copyright_licenses http://news.slashdot.org/story/99/06/23/1313224/featuregpl-vs-bsd http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses http://www.freebsdnews.net/2008/07/18/bsd-license-vs-gpl-license/ http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/bsdl-gpl/article.html http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blog/index.php/2007/12/15/gpl-vs-bsd-a-matter-of-sustainability/ http://tips.developersvoice.com/bsd-or-gpl-choosing-an-open-source-license.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License http://whimsical.nu/2011/01/25/trying-to-choose-between-gpl-and-bsd-licensing/ If you search the following phrase in Internet you may find more links : bsd license vs gpl license Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Good resources for BSDL vs. GPL?
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > On 06/02/2012 19:10, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > If you search the following phrase in Internet you may find more links : > > Thank you for the response, and sorry I wasn't more clear. I know how to > use the google, what I am really looking for are resources that people > have used and/or found effective in the past. > > Doug > > -- > >This .signature sanitized for your protection > A mailing list reader may be very experienced to least experienced . Therefore , to be useful to least experienced sometimes being a little more explicit should not be taken a personal degradation by experienced people . Everyday I am making searches in Internet . Search engines are not so capable to understand what it is wanted and mostly they are producing garbage until a phrase is written that they understand correctly . There is no any usable index that a phrase may be selected from it . It is necessary to be a "ghost" to realize what should be searched . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
world-without-linux-where-would-apache-microsoft-even-apple-be-today
Some interesting views : http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/world-without-linux-where-would-apache-microsoft-even-apple-be-today-206680 Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Did someone compare the number of ports with packages in Linux distros?
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > > You can get a meaningful comparison by counting distfiles on our side > > and SRPMs / DSCs on the Linux side. > > I asked a coworker who's a Debian developer; he says Debian has ~30k > packages from ~20k distinct sources, which is in the same ballpark as > the ports tree (~24k ports). > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no > > > For me , actually , important problem is "How many packages are supplied with a distribution .iso ?" This point is important , because when a distribution is installed , whether it will produce a workable / usable environment for a (i) server , or (ii) desktop user . I am continuously installing many Linux distributions . Approximately they are supplying 2000 packages per distribution . With respect to selected features ( Desktop , Development , Education , etc. ) , the installed packages is varying between 1000 to 2500 . After completion of installation , it is possible to use the installed system without making any parameter adjustments . I am using KDE . The only required adjustments are the following ( for me ) : From KDE Settings ( when I try Gnome from its menus ) : Disable screen saver , Disable power saving , Disable gesture , etc. usage , Enable removable media automatic mount In Dolphin ( File Manager ) : Enable double click to activate a selection , Select view mode as detailed , Select displayed file attributes , etc. These are the same for FreeBSD also ( except enable of automatic mount of removable media , selections are ignored ) . The rest in FreeBSD is a nightmare : As it is installed : Install many packages by pkg_add . When a desktop ( KDE . FluxBox , Gnome ) is started : Mouse , key board is NOT working , they are solid rock . To mount removable media : I could not find a way to it . As a result : Only an unusable installation is generated . For example : Version 9.1 Release DVD has some packages , but during install , there is NO any way to install them . It is necessary to be an "Expert" to be able to install them . This structure is driving the FreeBSD in http://distrowatch.com/ "Page Hit Ranking" around 500 at the ranking greater than 20 ( means a small user base with respecto total Linux user base ) . With this installation structure ( not the installer program / script ) , FreeBSD can not be widely adopted , because of like or dislike of it , but not being able to use it . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Did someone compare the number of ports with packages in Linux distros?
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk writes: > > Install many packages by pkg_add . > > When a desktop ( KDE . FluxBox , Gnome ) is started : > > Mouse , key board is NOT working , they are solid rock . > > To mount removable media : I could not find a way to it . > > That is not my experience. Simply installing x11/gnome2 gives me a > functional desktop, and AFAIR Gnome automounts CDs and memory sticks. > The only trouble I've had was hald and moused arguing over who gets to > talk to the mouse, which I fixed by disabling moused in rc.conf. > > > For example : Version 9.1 Release DVD has some packages , but during > > install , there is NO any way to install them . > > because of this: > > http://www.freebsd.org/news/2012-compromise.html > > We have a number of people working very hard (too hard, in some cases) > to ensure that this does not happen again and that 8.4 and 9.2 ship with > a full set of packages. It wouldn't hurt to show some gratitude. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no > Please , do not understand me that I am against the efforts of very valuable developers and contributors of the FreeBSD . All of my complaints are result of my gratitude against them and their products . My wish always is to see that FreeBSD is much more widely adopted , and used . To reach such a case needs to eliminate harsh points for the beginners . An "expert" can do anything he/she wants , but number of "expert" people is small with respect to number of new beginners . For that reason , please do not compare yours and others ( others are new beginners ) . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Did someone compare the number of ports with packages in Linux distros?
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Alexander Leidinger < alexan...@leidinger.net> wrote: > On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:33:18 +0100 > Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > > > Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > > > You can get a meaningful comparison by counting distfiles on our > > > side and SRPMs / DSCs on the Linux side. > > > > I asked a coworker who's a Debian developer; he says Debian has ~30k > > packages from ~20k distinct sources, which is in the same ballpark as > > the ports tree (~24k ports). > > Thanks, this is something which helps. > > Bye, > Alexander. > > -- > > Some package lists : ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/core/release/ ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/archlinux/core/os/x86_64/ ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/archlinux/extra/os/x86_64/ ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/centos/6.4/os/x86_64/Packages/ ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/12.3/repo/oss/suse/x86_64/ http://packages.debian.org/stable/ https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/stats/?_csrf_token=4dbd43afddf475f0efeaee2e2223fa77b781c0bb ftp://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/6.3/x86_64/os/Packages/ It seems that Debian-based distributions do not have an "All" list , but only categorized lists . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Did someone compare the number of ports with packages in Linux distros?
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Alexander Leidinger < alexan...@leidinger.net> wrote: > On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:33:18 +0100 > Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > > > Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > > > You can get a meaningful comparison by counting distfiles on our > > > side and SRPMs / DSCs on the Linux side. > > > > I asked a coworker who's a Debian developer; he says Debian has ~30k > > packages from ~20k distinct sources, which is in the same ballpark as > > the ports tree (~24k ports). > > Thanks, this is something which helps. > > Bye, > Alexander. > > -- > > Some Linux Distribution DVD ( x86_64 ) Package counts : Fedora 18 : 4165 OpenSuse 12.3 : 4206 Mageia 2 : 4386 CentOS 6.4 DVD1 : 3956 Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Open Source course material for teaching on/with FreeBSD
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 4:43 AM, George Neville-Neil wrote: > Howdy, > > Thursday evening at 18:00 BST I pushed changes to teachbsd.org that update > the page so that it points to a new github repo, owned by the teachbsd > organization (https://github.com/teachbsd). > The organization is run by Robert Watson and myself. > We can add or remove collaborators if and when that becomes appropriate. > > The initial repository (https://github.com/teachbsd/course) contains all > of the material for the practitioner and masters style courses as well as > a PDF for the teaching guide. > All of the material is licensed under a BSD doc team license, also visible > in the repo and on the github site. > > Our goal now is to initially recruit a small number of universities to > partner > with us to teach this material, and to have the number grow as we polish > the material. We also wish to solicit contributions of similar teaching > material > for inclusion in the site, via links at first, and into the repo if that > seems appropriate > at a later time. > > We will keep you posted on our progress. > > Best, > George > ___ > > In my opinion , one of the most important tools in such a work is the ability to display stdin , stdout and stderr on different monitors alongside with output monitor(s) for graphic displays such as Gnome or KDE or any other X based desktops also . This requires additions to FreeBSD sources to definition of such application which requires to use at the same time multiple graphic cards ( on board , PCI , USB , etc. , simultaneously ) . My knowledge is not sufficient to achieve this . This will allow watching execution steps on line instead of diverting them to file and then read the contents of file . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Open Source course material for teaching on/with FreeBSD
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Rodrigo N Hernandez < re...@minasambiente.com.br> wrote: > Hello Mehmet, > > I'm not entirely sure if I understand what is the goal but if you're > talking about computer labs: > One option would be using vnc sessions (tightvnc e.g.), so students can > watch lessons on their own terminals. It’s possible to set view only > sessions also. It sounds feasible that all command line work being done > from the virtual X session as well. > It’s also possible to make vnc sessions running from jails (for > testing/disposable jails e.g.). With stuff like this you don’t even need to > worry about extra hardware. In fact it can be all done from a headless > server. > > Well sorry if this have nothing to do about your intents, just some option. > > Cheers, > Rodrigo > > > Assume we started KDE and testing a graphically displayed program . During that time , stdin , stdout , stderr outputs are not visible . Operating system is not using a graphical display . Therefore , there is a need to be able to define stdin , stdout , stderr divertible to different monitors ( by , for example , loader.conf definitions ) attached to PCI , USB , or main board ports . There is possibility of use of xrandr , but this is an extension to X Window . By using different monitors , it will be possible to view inner working of the operating system on line , otherwise , stored information can be viewed off line . As an example , in KDE , start a terminal . In that terminal , start a graphically usable program , for example , Dolphin . You will see that , there will be many messages displayed in the terminal . No one these messages are displayed when Dolphin is started from KDE menus . Ability to divert stdin into an independent monitor is important because when a program continuously displays data onto stdout , it is not possible to enter any input up to end of the working program . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > Em 20/11/2015 11:47, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk escreveu: > >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 4:43 AM, George Neville-Neil < >> g...@neville-neil.com> >> wrote: >> >> Howdy, >>> >>> Thursday evening at 18:00 BST I pushed changes to teachbsd.org that >>> update >>> the page so that it points to a new github repo, owned by the teachbsd >>> organization (https://github.com/teachbsd). >>> The organization is run by Robert Watson and myself. >>> We can add or remove collaborators if and when that becomes appropriate. >>> >>> The initial repository (https://github.com/teachbsd/course) contains all >>> of the material for the practitioner and masters style courses as well as >>> a PDF for the teaching guide. >>> All of the material is licensed under a BSD doc team license, also >>> visible >>> in the repo and on the github site. >>> >>> Our goal now is to initially recruit a small number of universities to >>> partner >>> with us to teach this material, and to have the number grow as we polish >>> the material. We also wish to solicit contributions of similar teaching >>> material >>> for inclusion in the site, via links at first, and into the repo if that >>> seems appropriate >>> at a later time. >>> >>> We will keep you posted on our progress. >>> >>> Best, >>> George >>> ___ >>> >>> >>> In my opinion , one of the most important tools in such a work is the >> ability to display >> stdin , stdout and stderr on different monitors alongside with output >> monitor(s) for graphic displays such as Gnome or KDE or any other X based >> desktops also . >> >> This requires additions to FreeBSD sources to definition of such >> application which requires to use at the same time multiple graphic cards >> ( >> on board , PCI , USB , etc. , simultaneously ) . >> >> My knowledge is not sufficient to achieve this . >> >> This will allow watching execution steps on line instead of diverting them >> to file and then read the contents of file . >> >> >> Thank you very much . >> >> >> Mehmet Erol Sanliturk >> ___ >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" >> > > > --- > Este email foi escaneado pelo Avast antivírus. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ___ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org > " > ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
