Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
Don't shoot the messenger: FreeBSD is not useful as a desktop environment without the ability to support Flash in a stable, well-performing fashion. Running IE in Wine is not a solution. Running another OS in vmware to simply browse the web is not a solution. Free flash alternatives and flash movie players, etc., are, unfortunately, not a solution. ports/linux-flashplayer9 _is_ a solution, however it (currently) fails badly. Solution: First, a bounty has been posted here: http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html We aren't even asking for new code, per se - anyone merely posting a recipe that allows linux-flashplayer9 to run, without crashing and with reasonable performance, with a generic browser (opera, firefox, konqueror) can claim the bounty. In fact, a recipe that is entirely inside the Linux Binary Compatibility layer would be just fine - running the linux version of a browser through binary compat is reasonable[1]. Second, I am calling on the FreeBSD Foundation to commit time and money to ensuring that flash functionality is recognized as a high priority for FreeBSD desktop use. I am willing to donate funds for this purpose. Flash 9 will not be the baseline forever, and it is inefficient to ramp up a grass roots bounty effort each time Adobe releases a new product. For this reason I believe it is reasonable for the project itself to ensure that Flash support is delivered and maintained in a timely fashion. [1] Since we're all probably already running Linux Binary Compat anyway... - John Kozubik - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.kozubik.com ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Pietro Cerutti wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > John Kozubik wrote: > | > | Don't shoot the messenger: > | > | > | FreeBSD is not useful as a desktop environment without the ability to > | support Flash in a stable, well-performing fashion. > > gnash-devel provides flash 9 and works pretty well... That's why I discounted that as a solution. I am a FreeBSD desktop user, not a FreeBSD desktop developer. I, and many others, do not have time to hack around with gnash working "pretty well". I'm not trying to discount thier efforts, but Adobe makes an honest to god release version of flash for Linux, and FreeBSD runs linux binaries very well. I think this is the right direction to move in, especially if maintenance and support are (hopefully) going to be provided in some official capacity by the project itself. The key point here is that flash support has changed qualitatively from being something convenient and helpful to being _absolutely necessary_ for any kind of day to day work with a web browser[1]. That is why I am suggesting that the FreeBSD project itself take an official interest in making sure that it works. [1] A sad commentary, especially when most flash content is completely superfluous, often providing nothing but static images and/or text. ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
On Jun 19, 2008, at 3:57 PM, John Kozubik wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Pietro Cerutti wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 John Kozubik wrote: | | Don't shoot the messenger: | | | FreeBSD is not useful as a desktop environment without the ability to | support Flash in a stable, well-performing fashion. gnash-devel provides flash 9 and works pretty well... That's why I discounted that as a solution. I am a FreeBSD desktop user, not a FreeBSD desktop developer. I, and many others, do not have time to hack around with gnash working "pretty well". I have been working with Adobe management and the Flash development team for quite some time. It seems, just as with the redistribution agreement we worked out with them, the legal department is most likely the hold up. I will have an update for the FreeBSD community within the next couple of months. In the meantime, just in case, it could be worthwhile to further our support of linux-flash9 under FreeBSD. best, -matt -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113Fax: (408)943-4101 ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
Matt, On Thu, 19 Jun 2008, Matt Olander wrote: > I have been working with Adobe management and the Flash development > team for quite some time. It seems, just as with the redistribution > agreement we worked out with them, the legal department is most likely > the hold up. I will have an update for the FreeBSD community within > the next couple of months. In the meantime, just in case, it could be > worthwhile to further our support of linux-flash9 under FreeBSD. Thank you very much for your work, and for this information - this is great news. I agree that we should move forward with linux-flash9 under FreeBSD, just in case. Do you have any insight into why that solution is unworkable currently ? Who, if anyone, is working on that ? Out of curiousity, which flash player do you use in FreeBSD, and what is your recipe for making it work ? Thank you. ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
