Re: CDROM-Artwork

[Joel Dahl]

On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 00:45 +0200, Simon L. Nielsen wrote:
> On 2006.10.26 23:33:58 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote:
> > Thanks very much Peer, and apologies for both the run-around and for
> > consistently spelling your name wrong.
> > 
> > Deb, thanks for checking this out.
> > 
> > www@, I need a decision on the CVS thing please.
> 
> I think files > 1MB doesn't belong in CVS and should be dumped on the
> FTP site somewhere.  I can help getting them there if needed.
> 
> I would really like to see more artwork go up, I just don't have the
> time to do it myself at the moment.

How about putting a couple of 75dpi thumbnails on the logo page on the
website and the rest on a FTP site?  One CDROM-label, CDROM-sleeve and
DVD-case showing for example FreeBSD/i386 should be enough.  The
thumbnails can be links to the FTP site with the rest of the stuff.

Something like this perhaps:

http://people.freebsd.org/~joel/files/logo1.png
http://people.freebsd.org/~joel/files/logo2.png

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Re: CDROM-Artwork

[Simon L. Nielsen]

On 2006.10.27 10:16:01 +0200, Joel Dahl wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 00:45 +0200, Simon L. Nielsen wrote:
> > On 2006.10.26 23:33:58 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote:
> > > Thanks very much Peer, and apologies for both the run-around and for
> > > consistently spelling your name wrong.
> > > 
> > > Deb, thanks for checking this out.
> > > 
> > > www@, I need a decision on the CVS thing please.
> > 
> > I think files > 1MB doesn't belong in CVS and should be dumped on the
> > FTP site somewhere.  I can help getting them there if needed.
> > 
> > I would really like to see more artwork go up, I just don't have the
> > time to do it myself at the moment.
> 
> How about putting a couple of 75dpi thumbnails on the logo page on the
> website and the rest on a FTP site?  One CDROM-label, CDROM-sleeve and
> DVD-case showing for example FreeBSD/i386 should be enough.  The
> thumbnails can be links to the FTP site with the rest of the stuff.
> 
> Something like this perhaps:
> 
> http://people.freebsd.org/~joel/files/logo1.png
> http://people.freebsd.org/~joel/files/logo2.png

Yes that sounds like a good idea, and that was actually what I meant
with the "> 1MB" part, which might not have been that obvious to
anyone but me :-).

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Re: Re: CDROM-Artwork

[peer . schaefer]

Thank you very much for your enthusiasm about the artwork! I am very pleased 
and happy with that!
But please consider that the drafts that I posted here are still "drafts". Deb 
is still after some legal issues (trademarks!), and we have to wait since all 
these issues are settled.
Best regards,
Peer

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Betreff: Re: CDROM-Artwork

> On 2006.10.27 10:16:01 +0200, Joel Dahl wrote:
> > On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 00:45 +0200, Simon L. Nielsen wrote:
> > > On 2006.10.26 23:33:58 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote:
> > > > Thanks very much Peer, and apologies for both the run-around and for
> > > > consistently spelling your name wrong.
> > > > 
> > > > Deb, thanks for checking this out.
> > > > 
> > > > www@, I need a decision on the CVS thing please.
> > > 
> > > I think files > 1MB doesn't belong in CVS and should be dumped on the
> > > FTP site somewhere.  I can help getting them there if needed.
> > > 
> > > I would really like to see more artwork go up, I just don't have the
> > > time to do it myself at the moment.
> > 
> > How about putting a couple of 75dpi thumbnails on the logo page on the
> > website and the rest on a FTP site?  One CDROM-label, CDROM-sleeve and
> > DVD-case showing for example FreeBSD/i386 should be enough.  The
> > thumbnails can be links to the FTP site with the rest of the stuff.
> > 
> > Something like this perhaps:
> > 
> > http://people.freebsd.org/~joel/files/logo1.png
> > http://people.freebsd.org/~joel/files/logo2.png
> 
> Yes that sounds like a good idea, and that was actually what I meant
> with the "> 1MB" part, which might not have been that obvious to
> anyone but me :-).
> 
> -- 
> Simon L. Nielsen
>
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Re: Why FreeBSD Trolls Suck

[Liam J. Foy]

On 27 Oct 2006, at 01:35, FreeBSD Sucks wrote:


I don’t want to run Windows, I don’t want to run Linux, I just  
wanted a freakin BSD box again.  So yeah, I was really


Have you tried NetBSD? Just a thought...

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Re: Why FreeBSD sucks

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2006-10-26 06:25, kevlar Hodge-Podge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This post actually did get me thinking about a longtime frustration
> with one aspect of the whole Linux vs. UNIX thing.  First let me say
> that I'm a real novice user so I hope this isn't something that has
> been talked to death and resolved.

The following is my own, personal opinion, so please take it all with a
grain of salt...

Talking, as in `constructive exchange of ideas, opinions and other
useful stuff, with the explicit purpose of advancing the current state
of the art', will *never* be resolved in the world of an open source
system.  This is not, of course, a bad thing.  It merely means that we
are -- or at least we should always be -- open to discussion about ways
to improve, and we should actively encourage both this sort of exchange
with the user community *and* take action where necessary.

> One problem when comparing FreeBSD to most of the Linux distributions
> is that they are in fact, distributions of an operating system and
> FreeBSD is an operating system.

But a different operating system, with a different set of goals.  Even
Linux distributions have goals which range from extremely non-technical,
to deeply involved and complex.

> So when you look at fedora for example the fedora team can choose to
> use GNOME over other desktop environments, and bundle commonly used
> software like firefox and openoffice. When fedora does this it is a
> very reasonable and responsible thing for them to do, as they are
> marketing themselves toward the desktop world.

Right.

> On the other hand FreeBSD can not make those same decisions, and if
> they did it would be counter productive to all their users, even those
> currently using GNOME, firefox and openoffice.

Why do you think this is so?  We can definitely improve the number of
prebuilt packages we release with official ISO images, but this takes
both manpower (to oversee the builds) and resources (build machines).
We don't have a lot of these right now, so anything we can do to make
things like ``a faster, full ports/ build and packaging run'' is going
to be extremely good.

This is also one of the places where non-technical FreeBSD users can
help a lot, even without necessarily submitting source code or port
packaging patches.  To find more resources for the port-building
cluster, even FreeBSD users who are not programming gods or packaging
experts can donate to the project hardware to speed things up :)

> Until very recently the comparison (from a PC end user?s point of
> view) of FreeBSD vs. any Linux was apples and oranges. Now we have
> pcbsd, desktopbsd and a few others that are really ?distributions? in
> the same fashion as fedora is.

More or less :)

> Does anyone have suggestions for how a non-technical user of FreeBSD
> can help contribute to the community with a focus on the
> `distributions'? Is there anyone doing side by side comparisons of
> these packaged solutions that use FreeBSD?

There are _MANY_ ways in which a FreeBSD user can help the project.

  * I've already mentioned donations in hardware.  A full list of stuff
that FreeBSD developers would find useful can be found online at
.

If there is something in that list which you can send to a FreeBSD
developer, like unsupported hardware that you would like to see a
driver developer for, please consider contacting the respective
developer or the Donations Liaison team.

  * Periodically check the ``Contributing to FreeBSD'' article and see
if you can help with anything listed there.

Among the most prominent tasks listed there, which do not really
require programming godship or many other elite skills, is our
documentation.  The FreeBSD team respects highly and tries to
address all the needs of the user who needs documentation about
installing, using and maintaining FreeBSD systems.

Please keep in mind that even a simple comment like ``I've read this
article and it sucks, because I didn't get anything described
there'', has its worth.  Suggestions for new text, corrections or
even a simple ``I tried *foo* listed at the *bar* article, and it
fails with *baz*'', are even more welcome.

For more technically oriented users, we have our ``Project Ideas''
pages, which work as a wish-list:

  * http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

Things that we would like to see as new features, as fixes or even as
small, incremental improvements to existing functionality are listed
there.

If you are a developer, and can help us flesh out some of the items
listed in this page, you are more than welcome to jump in, and start
working in one of the areas listed there.

Even if you are *NOT* a developer, but you would find the experience
interesting, educating, and a challenging opportunity to find out more
about your favorite operating system, you are still welcome to do so.

These are just a few pointers, sin

Re: letter writing for FreeBSD support

[Jim Stapleton]

If you had the choice between binary blobs with well documented use,
or fully binary drivers, which would you choose? I'm talking about a
case, such as most notably with ATI or nVidia where there is 3rd party
technology not belonging to (but liscenced by) the company, that has
to be considered, and cannot be released.

-Jim Stapleton

On 10/27/06, Brad Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Jim,

Please remove the bits about binary blobs.. Those are a Bad Thing(tm).


Regards,
Brad Davis

On 10/26/06, Jim Stapleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello, I've been talking with someone else here, and on a few other
> groups, and I'd like to try a letter writing campaign to Toshiba to
> try to get them to produce either open source drivers for the quirky
> parts of their notebooks, or if that is not possible, closed source
> drivers so that FreeBSD can run on them. I was wondering what the
> thoughts where here? The individual I've been emailing with (another
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] poster), and he suggested this:
>
> > Do you think it'd be useful to send to advocacy@ for comments? They will
> > probably know a trick or two or correct things we've missed... then maybe 
send
> > openly to questions + mobile + multimedia wdyt?
>
> My letter template:
>
> 

> Dear sir/ma'am
>
>I have read/heard several reports as to the quality of product and
> support for Toshiba notebooks. However, I have also read/heard many
> reports of their lack of driver support with non-Windows operating
> systems such as Linux and BSD. Unfortunately, I use ___ and would
> likely have compatibility issues with your product. Nonetheless I feel
> that your product would be a good option for my future purposes, if
> this area were fixed. Additionally the better driver support could
> help increase your market share, and defend the share that you have
> against other manufacturers who have good first or third party support
> for these operating systems (such as Dell and Lenovo).
>I am writing to request that you take one or more of the following
> actions, so that I myself, and other can find your otherwise excellent
> notebooks and service a viable option:
>
> a. Provide open source drivers for one or more open source operating
> systems, preferably Linux or BSD
> b. Provide sufficient documentation of Toshiba hardware so that
> drivers can be written by the open source community
> c. If your IP protection requires it, or you license external IP that
> requires it, create closed source drivers for at least Linux and the
> various incarnations of BSD.
> c. If your IP protection requires it, or you license external IP that
> requires it, create closed source binary blobs with documented OS
> independent accession methods (such that any x86 operating system
> could execute the blobs, even if machine level entry is required), and
> document the method needed to access these entry points.
>
> Thank you for your time
>
>
> ___
>
> 

>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Thanks,
> -Jim Stapleton
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Re: letter writing for FreeBSD support

[Joseph Koshy]

bd> Please remove the bits about binary blobs.. Those are a
bd> Bad Thing(tm).

js> If you had the choice between binary blobs with well
js> documented use, or fully binary drivers, which would you
js> choose? I'm talking about a case, such as most notably

- For the user, binary kernel blobs are a huge security
 risk.
- As a project we don't have a stable in-kernel API, so
 it is difficult for us to provide a stable kernel
 environment for binary blobs to run in.

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