Re: Re: CDROM-Artwork
Oh, please be careful! This stuff is not approved by the board and not
"published" yet! We are still discussing the drafts. My postings are still "for
review" only. At the moment the foundation is working out some legal issues
regarding the used trademarks ("Athlon", "PowerPC", and such).
Yes, the material is not "ink-friendly". It is a dark and colorful design which
is a little bit heavy to printout. If this material is finally approved by the
foundation, I will probably publish a more "ink-friendly" version that is
brighter.
Best regards,
Peer
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Oktober 2006 06:53
An: Peer Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org
Betreff: Re: CDROM-Artwork
> On 23 Oct 2006 at 6:52, Peer Schaefer wrote:
>
> > OK, here is the revised material. Indeed, it was pain, and I wished
> > somebody told me earlier. But, as Peter Jackson once said, "pain is
> > temporary, BSD is forever" (or did he say "film is forever"? -- I can't
> > remember... Must go to bed now...).
>
> I just printed off twenty CD for distribution at this tutorial on
> Thursday night:
>
> http://oclug.on.ca/archives/oclug-announce/2006-October/000187.html
>
> My ink jet printer does not do your artwork justice, but it much more
> appropriate than my handwritten labels. :)--
> Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work
> my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php
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Re: CDROM-Artwork
Thanks very much Peer, and apologies for both the run-around and for consistently spelling your name wrong. Deb, thanks for checking this out. www@, I need a decision on the CVS thing please. Ceri . On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 06:52:38AM +0200, Peer Schaefer wrote: > OK, here is the revised material. Indeed, it was pain, and I wished > somebody told me earlier. But, as Peter Jackson once said, "pain is > temporary, BSD is forever" (or did he say "film is forever"? -- I can't > remember... Must go to bed now...). > > Anyway, here are the links: > > Full scale artwork (300dpi) = 19.5 (png) and 12.8MB (jpeg): > http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/freebsd-6.1_cdrom-artwork_300dpi-png.tar.bz2 > http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/freebsd-6.1_cdrom-artwork_300dpi-jpeg.tar.bz2 > > Smaller thumbnals for previews (75dpi) = 3.7MB: > http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/freebsd-6.1_cdrom-artwork_75dpi-png.tar.bz2 > > Even smaller thumbnails (30dpi) = 1MB: > http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/freebsd-6.1_cdrom-artwork_30dpi-png.tar.bz2 > > PDF versions for easy printout = 13.2MB: > http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/freebsd-6.1_cdrom-artwork_pdf.tar.bz2 > > The "sourcecode" for the graphics = 20MB: > http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/freebsd-6.1_cdrom-artwork_source.tar.bz2 > > Peer > > > >The Foundation can provide a document to Peer to sign over copyright > >ownership to the Foundation. I have some input on the design regarding > >proper attribution of trademarks. > > > >1. Please add a TM next to the logo. It should be on the upper right, > >below the ear. When the logo is right next to the mark FreeBSD, like > >on the project's website, then the registered symbol covers both > >marks. But, in this design, the logo is separated and reduced in size. > >So, you can either move the mark FreeBSD closer to the logo, or just > >add the TM next to the logo. > > > >2. In the description on the back of the DVD case and CD sleeve, only > >use the "r in circle" for the first use of the FreeBSD mark. You can > >probably do the same with Unix. It will look cleaner. So, on the back > >you will use the registered symbol twice for the FreeBSD mark. The > >first one is the mark next to the logo. The second one is the first > >word in the description. > > > >3. Where you have the attribution on the bottom of cover and sleeve, > >please include: > >"FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation" > >and > >"The FreeBSD Logo is a trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation" > > > >4. Add a TM next to Power to Serve. > > > >I believe that is all. I know this is probably a pain to make the > >changes. But, it is important that the project sets a good example on > >how to use the trademarks that represent the FreeBSD products and > >services. > > > >Please let me know if you have any questions. > > > >Sincerely, > > > >Deb Goodkin > >The FreeBSD Foundation > > > > > > > >Ceri Davies wrote: > >>On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 10:50:48AM +0200, Peer Schaefer wrote: > >>>Hi, > >>> > >>>I have designed some CDROM-related artwork for FreeBSD > >>>(CDROM-labels, sleeves and DVD-cases). The first drafts were posted > >>>to the FreeBSD-advocacy-mailing-list on Sept 1st, and since then I > >>>have received some kind feedback that lead to some changes (see > >>>mailing-list archive). In particular I would like to thank (in > >>>totally random order) Matt Olander, Simon Nielsen, Don Witt, Dru > >>>Lavigne, Ceri Davies, G?bor K?vesd?n, Remko Lodder, Dag-Erling > >>>Sm?rgrav and Eric Anderson for their kind feedback. All design-flaws > >>>and errors remain my own. > >> > >>Peter, thanks again for creating these. > >> > >>>I would be pleased if these material could be placed at the website > >>>(e.g. http://www.freebsd.org/art.html). I would suggest to place a > >>>link to the artwork page in the downloads section, so that everyone > >>>who downloads an ISO-image can easily obtain the label and sleeve. > >>> > >>>If you find this artwork useful, I will also create "6.2" versions > >>>for the upcoming release. > >> > >>I want to do this. www@, the question for me is if these should go in > >>CVS or be hosted on the FTP servers (and how we arrange that). Perhaps > >>the thumbnails should be in the www CVS and the rest of it on the FTP > >>servers. > >> > >>>LEGAL: > >>>The logo and the logo-font are by Anton Gural. > >>>The colour palette is taken from Anton Gurals design-studies (but > >>>slightly modified). > >>>The text is taken from the FreeBSD-website. > >>>The remaining artwork is by me. I hereby donate my part of the > >>>artwork to the FreeBSD project, so you may use and distribute it > >>>under any license you may choose, e.g. under the BSD-license (you > >>>may even place it in the Public Domain). Unless the FreeBSD project > >>>chooses some other license, the FreeBSD license > >>>(http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html) applies. It > >>>would be nice
Re: CDROM-Artwork
On 2006.10.26 23:33:58 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > Thanks very much Peer, and apologies for both the run-around and for > consistently spelling your name wrong. > > Deb, thanks for checking this out. > > www@, I need a decision on the CVS thing please. I think files > 1MB doesn't belong in CVS and should be dumped on the FTP site somewhere. I can help getting them there if needed. I would really like to see more artwork go up, I just don't have the time to do it myself at the moment. > On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 06:52:38AM +0200, Peer Schaefer wrote: > > OK, here is the revised material. Indeed, it was pain, and I wished > > somebody told me earlier. But, as Peter Jackson once said, "pain is > > temporary, BSD is forever" (or did he say "film is forever"? -- I can't > > remember... Must go to bed now...). > > > > Anyway, here are the links: > > > > Full scale artwork (300dpi) = 19.5 (png) and 12.8MB (jpeg): > > http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/freebsd-6.1_cdrom-artwork_300dpi-png.tar.bz2 > > http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/freebsd-6.1_cdrom-artwork_300dpi-jpeg.tar.bz2 > > > > Smaller thumbnals for previews (75dpi) = 3.7MB: > > http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/freebsd-6.1_cdrom-artwork_75dpi-png.tar.bz2 > > > > Even smaller thumbnails (30dpi) = 1MB: > > http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/freebsd-6.1_cdrom-artwork_30dpi-png.tar.bz2 > > > > PDF versions for easy printout = 13.2MB: > > http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/freebsd-6.1_cdrom-artwork_pdf.tar.bz2 > > > > The "sourcecode" for the graphics = 20MB: > > http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/freebsd-6.1_cdrom-artwork_source.tar.bz2 > > > > Peer > > > > > > >The Foundation can provide a document to Peer to sign over copyright > > >ownership to the Foundation. I have some input on the design regarding > > >proper attribution of trademarks. > > > > > >1. Please add a TM next to the logo. It should be on the upper right, > > >below the ear. When the logo is right next to the mark FreeBSD, like > > >on the project's website, then the registered symbol covers both > > >marks. But, in this design, the logo is separated and reduced in size. > > >So, you can either move the mark FreeBSD closer to the logo, or just > > >add the TM next to the logo. > > > > > >2. In the description on the back of the DVD case and CD sleeve, only > > >use the "r in circle" for the first use of the FreeBSD mark. You can > > >probably do the same with Unix. It will look cleaner. So, on the back > > >you will use the registered symbol twice for the FreeBSD mark. The > > >first one is the mark next to the logo. The second one is the first > > >word in the description. > > > > > >3. Where you have the attribution on the bottom of cover and sleeve, > > >please include: > > >"FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation" > > >and > > >"The FreeBSD Logo is a trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation" > > > > > >4. Add a TM next to Power to Serve. > > > > > >I believe that is all. I know this is probably a pain to make the > > >changes. But, it is important that the project sets a good example on > > >how to use the trademarks that represent the FreeBSD products and > > >services. > > > > > >Please let me know if you have any questions. > > > > > >Sincerely, > > > > > >Deb Goodkin > > >The FreeBSD Foundation > > > > > > > > > > > >Ceri Davies wrote: > > >>On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 10:50:48AM +0200, Peer Schaefer wrote: > > >>>Hi, > > >>> > > >>>I have designed some CDROM-related artwork for FreeBSD > > >>>(CDROM-labels, sleeves and DVD-cases). The first drafts were posted > > >>>to the FreeBSD-advocacy-mailing-list on Sept 1st, and since then I > > >>>have received some kind feedback that lead to some changes (see > > >>>mailing-list archive). In particular I would like to thank (in > > >>>totally random order) Matt Olander, Simon Nielsen, Don Witt, Dru > > >>>Lavigne, Ceri Davies, G?bor K?vesd?n, Remko Lodder, Dag-Erling > > >>>Sm?rgrav and Eric Anderson for their kind feedback. All design-flaws > > >>>and errors remain my own. > > >> > > >>Peter, thanks again for creating these. > > >> > > >>>I would be pleased if these material could be placed at the website > > >>>(e.g. http://www.freebsd.org/art.html). I would suggest to place a > > >>>link to the artwork page in the downloads section, so that everyone > > >>>who downloads an ISO-image can easily obtain the label and sleeve. > > >>> > > >>>If you find this artwork useful, I will also create "6.2" versions > > >>>for the upcoming release. > > >> > > >>I want to do this. www@, the question for me is if these should go in > > >>CVS or be hosted on the FTP servers (and how we arrange that). Perhaps > > >>the thumbnails should be in the www CVS and the rest of it on the FTP > > >>servers. > > >> > > >>>LEGAL: > > >>>The logo and the logo-font are by Anton Gural. > > >>>The colour palette is taken from Anton Gurals design-studies (but > > >>>slightly
letter writing for FreeBSD support
Hello, I've been talking with someone else here, and on a few other groups, and I'd like to try a letter writing campaign to Toshiba to try to get them to produce either open source drivers for the quirky parts of their notebooks, or if that is not possible, closed source drivers so that FreeBSD can run on them. I was wondering what the thoughts where here? The individual I've been emailing with (another [EMAIL PROTECTED] poster), and he suggested this: Do you think it'd be useful to send to advocacy@ for comments? They will probably know a trick or two or correct things we've missed... then maybe send openly to questions + mobile + multimedia wdyt? My letter template: Dear sir/ma'am I have read/heard several reports as to the quality of product and support for Toshiba notebooks. However, I have also read/heard many reports of their lack of driver support with non-Windows operating systems such as Linux and BSD. Unfortunately, I use ___ and would likely have compatibility issues with your product. Nonetheless I feel that your product would be a good option for my future purposes, if this area were fixed. Additionally the better driver support could help increase your market share, and defend the share that you have against other manufacturers who have good first or third party support for these operating systems (such as Dell and Lenovo). I am writing to request that you take one or more of the following actions, so that I myself, and other can find your otherwise excellent notebooks and service a viable option: a. Provide open source drivers for one or more open source operating systems, preferably Linux or BSD b. Provide sufficient documentation of Toshiba hardware so that drivers can be written by the open source community c. If your IP protection requires it, or you license external IP that requires it, create closed source drivers for at least Linux and the various incarnations of BSD. c. If your IP protection requires it, or you license external IP that requires it, create closed source binary blobs with documented OS independent accession methods (such that any x86 operating system could execute the blobs, even if machine level entry is required), and document the method needed to access these entry points. Thank you for your time ___ Thanks, Thanks, -Jim Stapleton ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Why FreeBSD Trolls Suck
So I wanted to apologize for sending such an angry email to this list, especially without giving more detail as was mentioned in the Milo Hyson email response. I had spent some time not being able to use FreeBSD as a stable workstation because of hardware compatibility issues on a Gateway machine. During that time I had been forced to run Windows or Linux as my desktop which sucks. I bought a new Dell E521 machine with a pretty vanilla hardware spec, and didnt before I bought it check to see if FreeBSD would support it. This is my fault, but in my defense at this stage in the game youd think FreeBSD would support things like USB, SATA drives, CD-ROMS, etc especially when I'm running 5.x and 6.x on my servers at work. When my machine came in I was very excited to start installing FreeBSD so I could once again have a real workstation. I tried installing 6.1 amd64 and it crashed before it even finished loading. It crashed because of USB issues. I unplugged the keyboard and then it hung on the SATA drive. I had problems with amd and non-amd branches ranging from 5.x and 6.x. So I burned a 7.0 install disc and it still crashed if the USB keyboard was plugged in, but at least didnt hang on the SATA drive. Go to install and the CD-ROM is not recognized (though Im sitting in sysinstall because I booted from disc). So I ended up FTPing 6.2-Beta2 and actually made it through the install. Yay! But now I cant reboot my machine with the mouse or keyboard plugged into it, I cant use my cd-rom, the sound doesnt work and my mouse freezes all the time making this another desktop that I cant run FreeBSD on. Im not new to this OS and I have spent more time than I care to recall hacking through these issues, rewriting code and so on. And during the 4.x years and even 5.x I accepted this and moved on. But at this stage in the game I figured that the OS would be at a point where it could handle a vanilla specd Dell. Im willing to blame Gateway, Im willing to blame Dell, if it werent for the fact that I can install several versions of Linux and Windows with no issues. It's hard convincing people to switch from Windows or Linux when you can't even install the OS on a generic PC. I dont want to run Windows, I dont want to run Linux, I just wanted a freakin BSD box again. So yeah, I was really pissed and yes I acted like a troll. I apologize for that, but I still stand behind the fact that at this stage in the game, after all these years these types of fundamental issues should not be happening and while its lame to flame the mailing list because of my frustration its even more lame I dont get to run FreeBSD. And what really sucks is finally getting new people to check out this OS I have been pushing only to find they can't use if if they want a keyboard, or a mouse or a cd-rom or a sound card installed. _ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
