Re: What sort of market does FreeBSD provide ... ?

2006-07-24 Thread Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg
User Freebsd wrote:
> 
> 'k, there are at least two "clients" already in existence ... and, in
> fact, the one that I posted the URL about even has Protocol information
> included, so we *should* be able to avoid recreating the wheel here,
> only extend it ...
> 
> I should *not* be a mandatory ... then we're as bad as other companies
> that are into embedding 'spyware' ... it should be an opt-in sort of
> thing, but something that is included as part of the OS, just like
> ntpdate ... something a simple addition to /etc/rc.conf would enable,
> *or*, even have it enabled by default, but easy to *disable* ...

Why not make it part of the installer?
Present a screen at the end of the installation that briefly
explains the idea, and then let the user chose to view the
information about to be sent, refuse to send it or simply accept to
send it. This of course requires the machine to be connected during
the install, which is not a problem during ftp-installs but might be
a problem for users installing from cd.

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R

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Re: What sort of market does FreeBSD provide ... ?

2006-07-24 Thread Darren

Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote:

Why not make it part of the installer?
Present a screen at the end of the installation that briefly
explains the idea, and then let the user chose to view the
information about to be sent, refuse to send it or simply accept to
send it. This of course requires the machine to be connected during
the install, which is not a problem during ftp-installs but might be
a problem for users installing from cd.


Or, currently, any machine with a wireless NIC, since sysinstall does 
not handle ifconfig wireless settings well or wpa_supplicant settings at 
all.  One of the most common family of cards, the Intel PROWireless 
series, requires a firmware blob that AFAIK can't be legally packaged 
with the CD.

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Re: What sort of market does FreeBSD provide ... ?

2006-07-24 Thread User Freebsd

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Darren wrote:


Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote:

Why not make it part of the installer?
Present a screen at the end of the installation that briefly
explains the idea, and then let the user chose to view the
information about to be sent, refuse to send it or simply accept to
send it. This of course requires the machine to be connected during
the install, which is not a problem during ftp-installs but might be
a problem for users installing from cd.


Or, currently, any machine with a wireless NIC, since sysinstall does not 
handle ifconfig wireless settings well or wpa_supplicant settings at all. 
One of the most common family of cards, the Intel PROWireless series, 
requires a firmware blob that AFAIK can't be legally packaged with the CD.


the other problem with this is that its a one time only thing ... it says 
"Joe User installed FreeBSD", it doesn't say "Joe User Installed FreeBSD, 
didn't like it so stop'd running it and switched to something else" ...


The thing with the uptime projects is that they update the server 
periodically, to say "I'm still here, and I'm still running FreeBSD" ... 
we shouldn't be looking at "who *ran* FreeBSD", we should be looking 
at/for "who *is running* FreeBSD" ...



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