Re: Petition! Ask Macromedia for a native Flash Player!

2006-03-20 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2006-03-19 12:06, Joshua Tinnin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sat 18 Mar 06 08:52,
>"Charles A. Landemaine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> If we want FreeBSD/PC-BSD to thrive, we need more and more support
>> from the big guys.
>>
>> Having a native version of the Flash Player is necessary. But I think
>> it's not so hard to get this release from Macromedia, it just takes a
>> minute to fill out a feature request form:
>> http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform&product=17&6213=19
>>  ;)
>>
>> Together we are strong, if you would like to help, please ask
>> Macromedia to release a native FreeBSD Flash plugin. Then, spread the
>> word in BSD forums to ask people to do it too!
>>
>> Please reply to this thread to have a rough idea how many people
>> asked Macromedia for this feature.
>
> I filled it out. I don't have much faith in these sorts of efforts,
> but it would be nice if they did this, and I don't think it would take
> much work on their part.

I filled this form too.

I don't have much faith in 'feedback forms' either, unless there is
ample evidence that someone is indeed reading and replying to *all*
sumbissions.

I don't think that commercial companies only account for the amount of
effort of the porting though.  They have to account for all sorts of
other things too, i.e. supporting the released binaries and how much bad
things which may happen can cost to the ``fame'' of the company (among
other things).

Having said that, I hate Flash, because it makes pages very unusable for
me most of the time.  Some of the pains involve the inability to use a
text-based browser for quicky accesses, the inability to select a font
size that matches my preference, the inability to copy text from and to
flash elements, etc. etc.

I still filled the form, because some times it's impossible to access a
page AT ALL if Flash is not available.

- Giorgos

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Re: Petition! Ask Macromedia for a native Flash Player!

2006-03-20 Thread Ádám Szilveszter
Giorgos Keramidas said:
> Having said that, I hate Flash, because it makes pages very unusable
> for
> me most of the time.  Some of the pains involve the inability to use a
> text-based browser for quicky accesses, the inability to select a font
> size that matches my preference, the inability to copy text from and
> to
> flash elements, etc. etc.
>
> I still filled the form, because some times it's impossible to access
> a
> page AT ALL if Flash is not available.

In addition to the above, I think it would still be of greater benefit
to the open source world as a whole if alternative flash player
software were created by the community. A similar example is PDF: It
would be really bad if all we had today for dealing with PDF were the
Adobe reader... but that meant that someone had to sit down and
reimplement the standard even though AR for Linux existed at that time
already, for example. I know that there used to be alternative
open-source flash plugins at one time (supporting version 4.x of
flash) but for some reason, not much interest seems to exist to create
others. (I know about the in-development GNU project but it is very
early development at this time.)

Anyone know of anything else? I would love to find an existing
alternative.

For some reason, begging for closed-source native FreeBSD versions of
utilities does not feel right, neither for the user, nor for the
manufacturer (just think about it, how many separate versions they
would have to maintain just to support all FreeBSD versions in
widespread use today? Something like 3-4, unless I am mistaken...)
which will likely mean that some versions simply will not be supported
at all instead.

Just my opinion...

Regards
Sz.
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Re: BSD Mall : to hell

2006-03-20 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
> Not sure about this one but selling BSD/OS could be a good idea too.

That operating system has been dead and gone for a few years.

(I still have customers that actively use it though in production 
environments. I also continue to do BSD/OS migrations.)

 Jeremy C. Reed
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Re: BSD Mall : to hell

2006-03-20 Thread Allen
On Monday 20 March 2006 11:08 am, Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
> > Not sure about this one but selling BSD/OS could be a good idea too.
>
> That operating system has been dead and gone for a few years.

I know, that's why I said to do so, I'd love to be able to use it.
>
> (I still have customers that actively use it though in production
> environments. I also continue to do BSD/OS migrations.)

From what I've heard it's a lot like Free BSD compared to others but even 
though I have Free BSD here I'd like to give that one a try anyway even if 
they are similar.

I have no problem paying for software, I buy Free BSD and I could easily 
download it, and I do, but I pay for it too. My first experience with Free 
BSD was buying the 4.0 power pak, and then I downloaded some of 4.X and 
bought 4.7, 5.0 and two copies of 6.0.
>
>  Jeremy C. Reed
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