[fpc-pascal] Mac & WinCe
HI all, I need to port a Delphi program to Mac and WinCe, but I've never used FPC. What is the best version of FPC/Lazarus to use ? Where can I find documentation ? I also need a ZLibEx (very fast Zlib) compatible library for the Mac. Is there a seperate mac-list ? Thanks Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Mac & WinCe
Thanks to all, Paul - Original Message - From: "Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Mac & WinCe For Windows CE the best is using the lastest add-on snapshots: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Windows_CE_Interface#Using_the_snapshot_add-on_installer The commonly used solution is cross-compiling from desktop windows. There is also the stable 0.9.24 release for windows and the corresponding add-on for wince cross-compiling, but there are *lot's* of improvements since them, so I recomend the daily snapshots. For Mac OS X using Lazarus I recommend FPC 2.2.2 with subversion Lazarus 0.9.25 instead of the stable releases, because we now have a fully functional native Carbon interface for Mac: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Carbon_Interface Read the wiki. There is a lot of material there. -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Socket library for Mac OS X
Are there any socket library's available for Mac OSX with FPC? I need Https communication TIA Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Socket library for Mac OS X
Hi Tobias, I already checked it, but the website says Windows and Linux only Paul - Original Message - From: "Tobias Giesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:23 PM Subject: [fpc-pascal] Re: Socket library for Mac OS X Hello, Synapse works extremely well with maybe only 1 change due to an undefined symbol at compile time, which can be defined as 0. http://synapse.ararat.cz/doku.php Cheers, Tobias http://www.superflexible.com ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Socket library for Mac OS X
Thanks Damien, never heared of it but looks good thanks, Paul - Original Message - From: "Damien Gerard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Socket library for Mac OS X Le Aug 27, 2008 à 1:06 PM, Paul a écrit : Are there any socket library's available for Mac OSX with FPC? I need Https communication TIA ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Socket library for Mac OS X
Hi Michael, It works on Mac OS X as well. It just needs a C compatible library. I never used synapse before (only ICS with Delphi), so I don't know exactly what you mean with "a C compatible library" Where can I find it ? Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Socket library for Mac OS X
I don't have a Mac yet :-( I'm just investigating what my options are before I start the development. I've asked some questions on Mac programmers forums, but they're all fanatics. Only a Mac is good and Windows and Linux sucks. For development, only Xcode/Cocoa is good. When I asked them some system related questions like altering the screenresolution etc, no one could answer. When I mentioned FreePascal, I received no answers at all anymore. They live in a cocoon. Paul - Original Message - From: "Michael Van Canneyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Socket library for Mac OS X On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Paul wrote: Hi Michael, > It works on Mac OS X as well. It just needs a C compatible library. I never used synapse before (only ICS with Delphi), so I don't know exactly what you mean with "a C compatible library" Where can I find it ? It should be present on your system by default, if I understood it correctly. But I'm not a Mac user, so you'd better ask this to an expert :-) Michael. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Mac OS X api cals
Hi, i want to port one of my Delphi applications to Mac OS X. Before I start (don't even have a Mac yet), I need to know if it's possible at all. It's a client side part of a remote admin program. For this program, I need to control the system and get info about the system like: - check if user has admin rights - get a list of available screenresolutions and change it - inject keypresses and stuff like that ... I've asked in Mac-forums, but no one seems to be able to answer it. When I mentioned FreePascal, I've got no reply's at all anymore. Talking about closed communities Does anyone knows where to get this information ? TIA, Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Mac OS X api cals
Shure this works, but we have a secure solution for Windows that's used by enterprise clients. Unlike all other programs available, we don't use a P2P connection between the computers. All data goes through a central server and both the contol-console and client-console are https-clients connecting to the server. This makes central management easy and is also very secure. A few of our clients also use Mac's and they are asking us for a solution. Also, a connection has to made possible immedialety by persons who don't even know what a computer exactly is.. So configuring a connection or setting up a VNC will be impossible: try asking it your grandma and you'll know why :-) Paul - Original Message - From: "Damien Gerard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Mac OS X api cals Le Aug 26, 2008 à 3:49 PM, Paul a écrit : Hi, i want to port one of my Delphi applications to Mac OS X. Before I start (don't even have a Mac yet), I need to know if it's possible at all. It's a client side part of a remote admin program. For this program, I need to control the system and get info about the system like: - check if user has admin rights It is an UNIX env. So admin rights is nearly meaningless. However the `id` command should help you - get a list of available screenresolutions and change it - inject keypresses and stuff like that ... Instead of reinventing the wheel you should use the Apple Remote Desktop or a VNC client (I recommend you a SSH tunnel) OS X Leopard provides a VNC Server http://lifehacker.com/software/how-to/remote-control-leopard-with-tightvnc-319528.php It is the *recommended* way I've asked in Mac-forums, but no one seems to be able to answer it. When I mentioned FreePascal, I've got no reply's at all anymore. Talking about closed communities Does anyone knows where to get this information ? TIA, Paul -- Damien Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Si ces robots s'humanisaient, inversement les êtres humains se robotiseraient-ils ? ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Mac OS X api cals
Jonas, http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Security/Conceptual/authorization_concepts thanks for these links, wonder why this site was not listed the mac developer forums .. And he can of course also look at the source code of existing VNC servers, e.g. http://sourceforge.net/projects/osxvnc/ see my other reply thanks, Paul - Original Message - From: "Jonas Maebe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Mac OS X api cals On 27 Aug 2008, at 23:01, Damien Gerard wrote: Le Aug 26, 2008 à 3:49 PM, Paul a écrit : i want to port one of my Delphi applications to Mac OS X. Before I start (don't even have a Mac yet), I need to know if it's possible at all. It's a client side part of a remote admin program. For this program, I need to control the system and get info about the system like: - check if user has admin rights It is an UNIX env. So admin rights is nearly meaningless. Indeed. Use Authorization Services to query the system about whether you currently have the rights to perform a particular action, and if you don't to request the user to authorise you to do so (e.g. by entering the login and password of an administrator user). http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Security/Conceptual/authorization_concepts Instead of reinventing the wheel you should use the Apple Remote Desktop or a VNC client (I recommend you a SSH tunnel) And he can of course also look at the source code of existing VNC servers, e.g. http://sourceforge.net/projects/osxvnc/ But since it's such low level stuff, it's likely to require modifications for different OS versions and using an existing (and nowadays system-provided) protocol is indeed probably the best way to go. Jonas ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Socket library for Mac OS X
Hi Jonas, Probably because none of them use it. If you want help with Pascal programming on the Mac, this is where you need to be: http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/mac-pascal I know this list, but it's almost dead... Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Mac OS X api cals
Jonas, A lot depends on who, how and where you asked. And developer.apple.com is the very first site you get when googling for "mac programming" or "apple programming". To be honest, I also thought you already knew about that site, but simply did not know what exactly to look for there (e.g., "authorization" vs "administrator rights").. I have to admit that I don't know much about nix, but I got an answer this morning: I can order a Mac :-) what I want to know is what authorization the user has and what he can and can not do. It does not mean that your "client" can't simply enable a local VNC server, open a https tunnel to the server and simply tunnel VNC over this connection. Of course, no one can stop you from reimplementing everything, but it's probably going to be quite a bit of work (as such low level things are quite platform specific). Tunnuling over our server is impossible and rules out central control/management, both sides must act as https clients It is indeed a lot of work: when I first started, I had completely written a P2P connection and running within 2 weeks. Developing the same over a server took almost 3 years... The server was the hardest part though: i has to handle a lot of sessions and has to run 24/7 without failure. It's only restarted every 6 months for maintenance, mainly for the Windows based servers. Paul - Original Message - From: "Jonas Maebe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Mac OS X api cals On 28 Aug 2008, at 08:11, Paul wrote: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Security/Conceptual/authorization_concepts thanks for these links, wonder why this site was not listed the mac developer forums .. A lot depends on who, how and where you asked. And developer.apple.com is the very first site you get when googling for "mac programming" or "apple programming". To be honest, I also thought you already knew about that site, but simply did not know what exactly to look for there (e.g., "authorization" vs "administrator rights").. And he can of course also look at the source code of existing VNC servers, e.g. http://sourceforge.net/projects/osxvnc/ see my other reply It does not mean that your "client" can't simply enable a local VNC server, open a https tunnel to the server and simply tunnel VNC over this connection. Of course, no one can stop you from reimplementing everything, but it's probably going to be quite a bit of work (as such low level things are quite platform specific). Jonas ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Mac OS X api cals
I was not suggesting to tunnel over your server, but to your server. Your server already contains a control infrastructure. If you'd go this route, your server would translate your proprietary protocol into VNC commands and back. Depending on the complexity of your protocol, this may be easier or harder than re-implementing and maintaining your entire client (which, as far as I understand, is mostly equivalent to a VNC server but using a different protocol) on the Mac side. That would be almost impossible: a session is running with 8 https clients communicating to the server. The server has to have certificate that can be checked continuously at the certificate authority. It's a complete different model than all existing software and is mainly used by large enterprise clients. Some need a very high secutity level (banks) and we even need to write special servers for them. Believe me: they won't take VNC for an answer. Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Mac OS X api cals
I don't see the problem if you use a good and strong VPN. If was the case in my last job and we worked for a bank. Probably not if properly setup on both sides by IT personnel. But what if you want a 100% save connection with someone that has never seen a computer in Zimbabwe, completely central managed for control within 10 seconds passing every firewall ? Most of our clients came to us for the latter and never looked back. If needed, our enterprise clients can lock special features or instructions passing the server for particular sessions, automatically and centrally managed.. Actions can be limited per admin console. Vnc will work in most cases, but not as secure and certainly not thru every firewall without user intervention. Also, the features you can build in if you have complete control are unlimited. Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Mac OS X api cals
It's a special breed of client... Michael. No need to tell me, but they are not the only ones. Our largest client (car manufacturer) is even worse... Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Socket library for Mac OS X
Hi Luca, I've used ICS a lot. It's a very good library, but only for Delphi. Synapse doesn't work with FPC on Mac though, only on Windows and Linux. Same for Indy. So I'll try with lNet pointed by Damien. thanks, Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Socket library for Mac OS X
I've asked the Synapse list and since Lukas is answering on the list but got no answer, I assumed it wouldn't work. It's also listed on his website/l only Windows and Linux. What has to changed to use it with Mac OS X then ? TIA, Paul - Original Message - From: "Mattias Gaertner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Socket library for Mac OS X On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:16:03 +0200 "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Luca, I've used ICS a lot. It's a very good library, but only for Delphi. Synapse doesn't work with FPC on Mac though, only on Windows and Linux. Same for Indy. So I'll try with lNet pointed by Damien. I use Synapse on Mac since two years. Mattias ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Socket library for Mac OS X
Ok thanks, I'll try it also, I'm still waiting for my Mac though, so for the moment I can't test anything at all :-( Paul - Original Message - From: "Mattias Gaertner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Socket library for Mac OS X On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:57:22 +0200 "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've asked the Synapse list and since Lukas is answering on the list but got no answer, I assumed it wouldn't work. He has no Mac so he can not test it. It's also listed on his website/l only Windows and Linux. No one tested it yet carefully. I only use some ftp and http things. So maybe some things don't work. What has to changed to use it with Mac OS X then ? Not much. It uses the FPC socket unit which exists on many platforms. In my old version I had to replace the 'IFDEF Linux' with 'IFDEF Unix' and to add a few 'libc' calls. Maybe the new version has fixed that. Mattias ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Mac OS X api cals
However, as a bank, they only trust on themselves. And they like to reinvent a broken wheel :) exactly :-) they also like many custom features .. Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Socket library for Mac OS X
I used Indy also without problems, so I don't mind blocking, but it needs to run within a thread if you don't want the gui blocked . Not promoting ICS here, but with ICS you can use blocking an non-blocking together. That's why I mostly use ICS with Delphi. Never used Synapse before, don't know how good it is either with SSL (which I always need). but it's time to get testing : I just receive my iMac ! I'm gonna "play" with it first this weekend and then install FPC/Lazarus (at least try to install...) Paul - Original Message - From: "Luca Olivetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Socket library for Mac OS X En/na Paul ha escrit: Hi Luca, I've used ICS a lot. It's a very good library, but only for Delphi. Yes, I'm not arguing that. I was only remarking that ICS uses a different model than indy/synapse. See, e.g., sections "Indy is Blocking" and "Blocking is NOT Evil" in http://www.indyproject.org/docsite/html/IntroIndy.html Bye -- Luca ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Mac OS X api cals
Wow, exactly the things I need. I remember that there is a tool available to convert C-headers to pascal (I'm not a great C-fan) Anyone knows what it is ? (Sorry for asking all this questions, but I've been thinking to use FPC for a long time, but never came to do it. I've been reading the messages on list for a while though. I need to install it on the Mac first, so probably, I'll be asking some more for the installation...) thanks, Paul - Original Message - From: "Damien Gerard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Mac OS X api cals Le Aug 29, 2008 à 10:55 PM, Damien Gerard a écrit : Le Aug 28, 2008 à 10:55 PM, Paul a écrit : However, as a bank, they only trust on themselves. And they like to reinvent a broken wheel :) exactly :-) they also like many custom features .. Just in case you really really want to remake the world, here is a link which may help you : http://developer.apple.com/documentation/GraphicsImaging/Conceptual/QuartzDisplayServicesConceptual/Articles/MouseCursor.html#/ /apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40004269 http://developer.apple.com/documentation/GraphicsImaging/Reference/Quartz_Services_Ref/Reference/reference.html#/ /apple_ref/c/func/CGDisplayModelNumber -- Damien Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Si ces robots s'humanisaient, inversement les êtres humains se robotiseraient-ils ? ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] FPC 2.3.1 on Mac OS X?
Hi, I've read that there are some issues with FPC 2.2.0 on Mac OSX. Is it save to install version 2.3.1 already ? Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X
Hi all, I have installed FPC 2.2.2 and Lazarus, both "Installed ok". I'm shamed to say this, but I can't even find the applications. (first time apple user) :-( The only thing I found is in folder Developer\Documentation\Free Pascal Compiler\ ...pdf Did I do something wrong ? Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X
You did not read the file "Getting Started.rtf" on the installation disk image, nor the "Quick start - Mac OS X/Darwin" of the file ReadMe.txt in the same location. I printed an read it prior to installing. I've asked a collegue to come and check it, but he can't get it running either. We couldn't figure out the difference between methods 1 and 2. It should be installed though: entering fpc in Terminal shows it We're both Windows-only developers though... Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X
I had installed Lazarus also, but I can't find it either. I'll need to buy a book 'using Mac OS/X' first, the doc shipped with the iMac are .. nothing. Maybe there is a userguide.pdf available, but studying from a screen is not my kind of thing. Paul - Original Message - From: "Jonas Maebe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X On 31 Aug 2008, at 12:57, Paul wrote: You did not read the file "Getting Started.rtf" on the installation disk image, nor the "Quick start - Mac OS X/Darwin" of the file ReadMe.txt in the same location. I printed an read it prior to installing. I've asked a collegue to come and check it, but he can't get it running either. FPC is just a compiler, like dcc.exe. "Getting it to run" involves typing "fpc" followed by a source file. We couldn't figure out the difference between methods 1 and 2. Method 1 is what you have done. Method 2 is if you are using fink (which you aren't, unless you downloaded and installed it). It should be installed though: entering fpc in Terminal shows it This means that you got FPC up and running. We're both Windows-only developers though... As for Lazarus, it is installed in a completely non-standard location for a GUI app: /usr/local/share/lazarus.app (if I remember correctly). It would be better if it were installed either in /Applications or / Developer/Applications instead, so you can find it like any other application. Another useful addition would be for its installer to open up the containing folder after it's installed (by adding a postflight script with the "open" command), so you don't have to go hunting for it. For help with Lazarus specifically you may want to use the Lazarus list though: http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/ lazarus (but you can ask here as well). Jonas ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X
Ok thanks, In the Finder, type cmd-shift-g (or menu Go and then "Go to Folder..."), and type /usr/local/share/lazarus. You should find the Lazarus application there. The reason that you don't find stuff located there by default via the GUI (you can use an advanced search to also search those locations), is that regular applications are not supposed to be installed there. Only Unix-based stuff lives there normally, and people using that normally use the command line. I get an error though: Library not loaded: /sw/lib/libglib-1.2.0.dylib Are there any other packages to install then ? the Unix-underpinnings of Mac OS X would certainly be useful if you have no prior Linux/Unix-experience. which I don't have at all. I need it for just one application for the moment, maybe later others will follow. But most likely, I'll need to convert that application to WinCE/Symbian/Linux first The reason I want to use FPC/Lazarus. Paul - Original Message - From: "Jonas Maebe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X On 31 Aug 2008, at 13:30, Paul wrote: I had installed Lazarus also, but I can't find it either. In the Finder, type cmd-shift-g (or menu Go and then "Go to Folder..."), and type /usr/local/share/lazarus. You should find the Lazarus application there. The reason that you don't find stuff located there by default via the GUI (you can use an advanced search to also search those locations), is that regular applications are not supposed to be installed there. Only Unix-based stuff lives there normally, and people using that normally use the command line. I'll need to buy a book 'using Mac OS/X' first, the doc shipped with the iMac are .. nothing. Maybe there is a userguide.pdf available, but studying from a screen is not my kind of thing. Such books are unlikely help you with getting Lazarus running, as Lazarus does not (yet) behave like any other Mac app in many respects (it's currently a hybrid combining various Windows, Unix and some Mac conventions in different areas). That said, a book that focusses on the Unix-underpinnings of Mac OS X would certainly be useful if you have no prior Linux/Unix-experience. Jonas ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X
It's probably best to install a Lazarus snapshot from http://www.hu.freepascal.org/lazarus/ instead of Lazarus 0.9.24(which you have now). They do not have any external dependencies anymore (and reportedly many other enhancements as well). This needs fpc and fpcsrc. Is fpcsrc needed by default (i did not install it), so this may be the problem I have now ? It's probably indeed easier first port it to WinCE (since that's done using the Win32 version of Lazarus) to just get used to the Lazarus IDE and the FPC compiler. Next up is probably Linux since Lazarus has existed for quite a bit longer there than on Mac OS X, and finally Mac OS X. You're right, but it's not my decision and I have to do as I'm told Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X
Now I get "Free Pascal compiler not found" when Lazarus starts although it exists. Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X
/usr/local/bin/ppc386 it'wasn't listed in the dropdown box. I closed Lazarus (still open from yesterday) and now I can't find lazarus anymore. I understood that I have to add the directories manually in a console application or terminal, a return to the DOS age. I need to get a book using OS X first, because this leads to nowhere. It won't be before weekend though. Anyway, while Lazarus was open, I saw bugs in the editor: the last character of each line was written over the previous character. Form = class(TFor) instead of Form=class(TForm) en; instead of end; Looks like a bug .. Paul - Original Message - From: "Jonas Maebe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X On 31 Aug 2008, at 18:52, Paul wrote: Now I get "Free Pascal compiler not found" when Lazarus starts although it exists. Check the "Compiler path" in Environment->Environment Options. It should read something like /usr/local/bin/ppc386 Jonas ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X
Ok Jonas, that solved at least a few items. Lazarus is complaining about fpcsrc files, which I didn't install. I installed FPC2.2.2 and Lazarus only. So I guess I have to go and install the source now. thanks, Paul - Original Message - From: "Jonas Maebe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X On 01 Sep 2008, at 13:58, Paul wrote: /usr/local/bin/ppc386 it'wasn't listed in the dropdown box. You can type it in. I don't know what exactly is listed in the default dropdown menu and why. I closed Lazarus (still open from yesterday) and now I can't find lazarus anymore. Type cmd-shift-g in the Finder. In the dialog box that appears, type / usr/local/share/lazarus. You'll find the application there. You can create an alias to it (shortcut in Windows terms) by holding down cmd and option (= cmd and alt) and dragging the Lazarus application icon anywhere you want. Then you won't have to remember its installation location anymore when you want to use it again. I understood that I have to add the directories manually in a console application or terminal, a return to the DOS age. No, you don't, except if you want to the command line stuff. And DOS was actually a partial imitation of Unix, not the other way around. I need to get a book using OS X first, because this leads to nowhere. As I said, it won't help you in particular with these issues, because Lazarus is not behaving like an OS X app at this time. It won't be before weekend though. Anyway, while Lazarus was open, I saw bugs in the editor: the last character of each line was written over the previous character. Form = class(TFor) instead of Form=class(TForm) en; instead of end; Looks like a bug .. It's because Lazarus by default selects a variable rather than a fixed width font, and its editor cannot deal with that (at least the Carbon one can't). I believe this was fixed in more recent versions, but if you first started an older version it probably stored the font name in the preferences. To change it to a properly displayed font, go to Environment->Editor Options, click on the Display tab and set it to Monaco (if you type the name in manually, make sure you capitalise it like that). There does not yet appear to be an option to disable anti-aliasing though. Jonas ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X
Ok, placing it all in the /Developer/ folder seems more logical to me. FPC should do the same imho (for Mac OS X). Are you writing this installer or is this a joint effort ? Paul - Original Message - From: "Mattias Gärtner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X Zitat von Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Ok Jonas, that solved at least a few items. Lazarus is complaining about fpcsrc files, which I didn't install. I installed FPC2.2.2 and Lazarus only. So I guess I have to go and install the source now. FYI: I want to improve a few things in the lazarus installer to make paths and defaults more convenient. I hope to find some time this week. Mattias ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X
Ok, but I give it up for the moment. I can't find any files at all, just downloaded fpcsrc, but I can't find it anywhere. Cant find it Mac help also. I need a book first ... So it's something for next week thanks, Paul - Original Message - From: "Jonas Maebe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X On 01 Sep 2008, at 15:32, Paul wrote: placing it all in the /Developer/ folder seems more logical to me. FPC should do the same imho (for Mac OS X). FPC is a unix command line application. Those belong under /usr/local/ (it's the reason of existence for that hierarchy). Putting it under / Developer would not make it any easier to use, since /Developer (or / Developer/fpc/usr/bin or so) is not in the default command line path either, and there is not a single double-clickable application in the Mac OS X FPC distribution (well, none that does anything useful when you execute it like that anyway). Jonas ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X
thanks Jonas, but this works only when you know were to find it. I can't find them with Finder and that's where I should find it. It's too irritating for me now, and therefore I need to learn Mac OS X first. I know myself, and if it gets too irritating, changes are that I will stop for good with the Mac. And since documentation shipped with the iMac is zero, I need a book first. Paul - Original Message - From: "Jonas Maebe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X On 01 Sep 2008, at 16:00, Paul wrote: but I give it up for the moment. I can't find any files at all, just downloaded fpcsrc, but I can't find it anywhere. What can you not find? The downloaded file, or the files it installed? The downloaded file is probably in the downloads folder in your home directory (or in Safari, choose Window->Downloads and click on the magnifying glass next to the file). The files it installed are again somewhere under /usr/local, probably. In the installer, you can choose File->Show Files to see where it puts everything (ignore the "." at the start of the path names). Jonas ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Best method to uninstall fpc and lazarus
I want to uninstall and reinstall fpc and lazurus. My current installation is useless. I found the steps on Wiki, but I used the docs on Wiki to install them and it totally went wrong. thanks, Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Best method to uninstall fpc and lazarus
- Original Message - From: "Jonas Maebe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Best method to uninstall fpc and lazarus On 02 Sep 2008, at 09:05, Paul wrote: I want to uninstall and reinstall fpc and lazurus. My current installation is useless. I found the steps on Wiki, but I used the docs on Wiki to install them and it totally went wrong. The uninstall steps on the wiki at http://wiki.freepascal.org/OS_X_Programming_Tips#Uninstalling_Lazarus_and_Free_Pascal are correct. I just went over them and changed them so they are by default for FPC 2.2.2. Make sure you also remove the .lazarus directory in your home directory as described at the end. I guess most of your problems are related to that one in fact. When you install next time, I would recommend not to install Lazarus 0.9.24 first and to go directly with 0.9.25. As for FPC itself, please use the official installer from http://www.freepascal.org and not the one from http://www.hu.freepascal.org/lazarus, because I believe that at one point in time the latter did not create a default FPC configuration file (I don't know whether this has been fixed in the mean time). This means that it only works (worked) if you previously already installed an FPC release and did not remove its configuration file (but you will remove it by performing the uninstallation steps above). The reason is that FPC configuration files are most of the time compatible between different versions, because all paths include variables which are replaced with the currently used FPC version. It's no problem to use the fpcsrc package from that page (or to install the fpc-2.2.2 package from that page over an existing install of FPC). Jonas PS: uninstalling stuff uninstalled using the default Mac OS X installer /is/ unnecessarily hard and non-intuitive at this point. I have no idea why after all this time Apple still have not added a simple uninstall option. The only upside to this is that developers shy away as much as possible from using an installer, and instead opt (where possible) for drag-n-drop installations (whereby "uninstall" is reduced to "delete this folder"). ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Best method to uninstall fpc and lazarus
The uninstall steps on the wiki at http://wiki.freepascal.org/OS_X_Programming_Tips#Uninstalling_Lazarus_and_Free_Pascal rm -fv $bin/ppcppc shows "permission denied" Didn't test all subsequent items Paul - Original Message - From: "Jonas Maebe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Best method to uninstall fpc and lazarus On 02 Sep 2008, at 09:05, Paul wrote: I want to uninstall and reinstall fpc and lazurus. My current installation is useless. I found the steps on Wiki, but I used the docs on Wiki to install them and it totally went wrong. The uninstall steps on the wiki at http://wiki.freepascal.org/OS_X_Programming_Tips#Uninstalling_Lazarus_and_Free_Pascal are correct. I just went over them and changed them so they are by default for FPC 2.2.2. Make sure you also remove the .lazarus directory in your home directory as described at the end. I guess most of your problems are related to that one in fact. When you install next time, I would recommend not to install Lazarus 0.9.24 first and to go directly with 0.9.25. As for FPC itself, please use the official installer from http://www.freepascal.org and not the one from http://www.hu.freepascal.org/lazarus, because I believe that at one point in time the latter did not create a default FPC configuration file (I don't know whether this has been fixed in the mean time). This means that it only works (worked) if you previously already installed an FPC release and did not remove its configuration file (but you will remove it by performing the uninstallation steps above). The reason is that FPC configuration files are most of the time compatible between different versions, because all paths include variables which are replaced with the currently used FPC version. It's no problem to use the fpcsrc package from that page (or to install the fpc-2.2.2 package from that page over an existing install of FPC). Jonas PS: uninstalling stuff uninstalled using the default Mac OS X installer /is/ unnecessarily hard and non-intuitive at this point. I have no idea why after all this time Apple still have not added a simple uninstall option. The only upside to this is that developers shy away as much as possible from using an installer, and instead opt (where possible) for drag-n-drop installations (whereby "uninstall" is reduced to "delete this folder"). ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X
Finder. I find that *very* annoying too. Use the command line to find what you need. I think it's located in /Application/Utilities/Terminal or something similar Yes, as I mentionted before, it feels like returning to the DOS age. If and only if I get FPC /lazarus running, I hope it's the only application I have to write for the mac... Paul - Original Message - From: "Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can't find them with Finder and that's where I should find it. It's too irritating for me now, and therefore I need to learn Mac OS X first. Yes, they hide the unix directories, so you can't see them with Finder. I find that *very* annoying too. Use the command line to find what you need. I think it's located in /Application/Utilities/Terminal or something similar then navigate using unix commands: cd /usr/local/share/ ls -l I not a big fan of this approach which treats the users as idiots. There are some ideas here about how to show the unix directories in finder. I never tested them myself, but certainly will: http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=35034 -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X
The terminal is an excelent tool once you learn how to use it. So is cmd on Windows, but it's all but user friendly and there should be more user friendly solutions anno 2008 imho But his is OT here. Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Best method to uninstall fpc and lazarus
The uninstall steps on the wiki at http://wiki.freepascal.org/OS_X_Programming_Tips#Uninstalling_Lazarus_and_Free_Pascal I'm getting doubts about the Mac now, it opens perfectly with IE on Windows, but gives a blank text on Safari, only the menu on the right side is visible. I will type them manually. I have no intention to connect the Mac with my network anymore. Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Best method to uninstall fpc and lazarus
"You can copy and save the commands below to file uninstallLaz.sh and run it if you need to uninstall Lazarus and Free Pascal. You can usually install newer versions of Lazarus and Free Pascal over older versions, but as with most software it's not a bad idea to clean out everything before you install a newer version. This list of commands should also give you a sense of where the various pieces of Lazarus and Free Pascal are located." [ commands ] To run this script, change to the directory where it's stored and enter: chmod +x uninstallLaz.sh sudo ./uninstallLaz.sh Then enter your password when prompted. Just did this, no error reported but Lazarus still starts up ... Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Best method to uninstall fpc and lazarus
sudo rm -f /usr/local/bin/ppcppc what to use for: rm -r $share/lazarus ... rm -r $lib/fpc rm -r $receipts/lazarus-*.pkg ... ? Paul -- Damien Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Si ces robots s'humanisaient, inversement les êtres humains se robotiseraient-ils ? ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Best method to uninstall fpc and lazarus
However, as already said, all is explained here http://wiki.freepascal.org/OS_X_Programming_Tips#Uninstalling_Lazarus_and_Free_Pascal I have a printed copy here and have executed all commands manually.(no errors displayed) Still, Lazarus starts, except it cant find fpc ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Best method to uninstall fpc and lazarus
Use spotlight (Cmd+Space) to find lazarus, tell us where you found it and delete it. Mattias Seems nothing was deleted at all , including fpc ... :-( ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Best method to uninstall fpc and lazarus
Yes, and entered them each seperately in terminal also. Paul - Original Message - From: "Mattias Gaertner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Best method to uninstall fpc and lazarus On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:29:49 +0200 "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Use spotlight (Cmd+Space) to find lazarus, tell us where you found > it and delete it. > > Mattias Seems nothing was deleted at all , including fpc ... :-( Have you put all commands into a script and executed the script? Mattias ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Best method to uninstall fpc and lazarus
I can't post them anymore, I closed all applications and switched of the computer (incl power - had to move the pc) I didn't any errors though and needed to enter my password each time. (luckely, I left it empty for the moment) I also removed many of the files manually, but propably not all. I will search for other files also (config's ..) Anyways, I still don't know where it went wrong: all I did was install fpc2.2.2 with the dmg and the same with Lazarus (snapshot) I did not install the source files then, maybe that's a problem. None of the fpc folders were listed in the Lazarus environment settings. Paul - Original Message - From: "Jonas Maebe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Best method to uninstall fpc and lazarus On 02 Sep 2008, at 16:31, Mattias Gaertner wrote: On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:13:11 +0200 "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, and entered them each seperately in terminal also. The commands do not work in terminal (because the variables are not assigned with export). They work only in a script. No, that should also work in terminal: firefly:~ jmaebe$ a=5 firefly:~ jmaebe$ echo $a 5 firefly:~ jmaebe$ The reason it won't work in terminal is because the sudo's are missing (but then you should get "permission denied" errors, even with rm -f -- except if the directories don't exist because you entered a wrong path, in which case nothing will be printed). Jonas ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Best method to uninstall fpc and lazarus
That is pretty strange, because "sudo" caches the password (or credentials) for about 5 minutes. I've typed all commands within 5 minutes and had to enter the password for each command. Installing FPC and Lazarus is the only thing I have installed on the iMac (just have it a few days) Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Installing on Mac OS X
I removed all files (that I could find) and reinstalled fpc-fpcsrc-lazarus. I downloaded the files from www.hu.freepascal.org/lazarus According to the docs in http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/OS_X_Programming_Tips, I should now be able to start lazarus by clicking on the lazarus icon in the application folder. I can't fond it though, also not with spotlight. Where can I find this ? OT: is it normal that new windows are hidden behind others? When downloading the packages from this site (very slow), I was under the impression that nothing happened at all: the progress window is always hidden. The same with starting a new instance of Finder: click and search to find the new instance under other windows. Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Exe size
I'm testing with FPC/Lazrus on Windows now, but a simple program results in 11.5 MB size. I have enabled -Xs, -CX, -Og, -O2 in the project->compiler options (Lazarus), but the size is still the same. Anything else I should do? Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Exe size
I've read that, but isn't it suppose to work within the ide instead of always start the cmd prompt and type in this ? (or use a batch) Will this work for WinCE also, cause this what I actually want to do? Paul - Original Message - From: "Michael Fuchs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Exe size Michael Fuchs schrieb: I'm testing with FPC/Lazrus on Windows now, but a simple program results in 11.5 MB size. I have enabled -Xs, -CX, -Og, -O2 in the project->compiler options (Lazarus), but the size is still the same. Anything else I should do? Use strip --strip-all $PROGRAMNAME.exe after the compiling. And if you want to shrink it more, try UPX. http://upx.sourceforge.net/ mfg Michael ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Exe size
I have to use: C:\FPC\2.2.2\bin\i386-win32\strip.exe --strip-all D:\FreePascal\Projects\Test\Project1.exe, anything else fails. In my Dutch version here, after compling is on the top position in that compiler tab which is in fact before compling Probably a translation bug. After compling, I got "Oeps - debugger crash". Ayway, the size was still 1116 kb for and empty program (button and a label) and the limit for my full program (Delphi) is 1 Mb There's still a long way to go .. For Windows, it's not a problem (Delphi program), but I want it for WinCE and I have the same restrictions there. Paul - Original Message - From: "Michael Fuchs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Exe size Paul schrieb: I've read that, but isn't it suppose to work within the ide instead of always start the cmd prompt and type in this ? (or use a batch) Project -> Compilersettings -> [Last Tab] -> Execute after (I hope this is right, i've only the german version here). Will this work for WinCE also, cause this what I actually want to do? Don't know. hth Michael ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Exe size
Actually 1,16 MMb with 1 button and 1 label and a debugger crash as a bonus :-) Paul - Original Message - From: "Florian Klaempfl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Exe size Paul schrieb: I have to use: C:\FPC\2.2.2\bin\i386-win32\strip.exe --strip-all D:\FreePascal\Projects\Test\Project1.exe, anything else fails. In my Dutch version here, after compling is on the top position in that compiler tab which is in fact before compling Probably a translation bug. After compling, I got "Oeps - debugger crash". Ayway, the size was still 1116 kb for and empty program (button and a label) and the limit for my full program (Delphi) is 1 Mb So you get a 2 MB if you add two buttons and labels? ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Exe size
You cannot have both: a small size without debug info *and* a working debugger. I do not need a working debugger. B: an executable that has a small size and can be released: disable all debugging options (-g, -gl, -gh) and enable string (-Xs) in the linking tab. I've done that and also (-Og, -O2 ), same result (also the debugger crash) Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Exe size
http://wiki.freepascal.org/Size_Matters Pretty normal for a lazarus app. If you want minimal size, see the winapi demo in the examples. I have this doc printed and it wont be a problen on Windows for which I have the Delphi program. I have not installed the WinCe version or crosscompiler, but it's the same there: if the size is always the same, I can't use FPC/Lazarus. UPX is not an option, because our package is already packed with the exe, dll's and other files and the package has to be < 1Mb To have this, the program itself can have a max size of 1 MB. Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Exe size
- Original Message - From: "Vincent Snijders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK, you have a small size and a debuger crash. The debugger crash is ok, because you "do not need a working debugger". Indeed, only needed for testing but annoying though Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Exe size
- Original Message - From: "Graeme Geldenhuys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Alternatively, write your WinCE program in pure assembly language. You should get fully function GUI apps at around 20-60 Kbytes. :-) LOL, I don't think so: my Delphi program has only very basic GUI (fi chat) which is rarely used, it's mostly running without GUI, It has a pretty lage source code Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Exe size
If I understand correcly, it's the lcl that adds a huge part to the exe. Since I only use 1 small form, I could create it with api calls. But FPC for WinCE uses a crosscompiler, how do I have to implement this ? Are Windows api calls translated to ARM-calls ? Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Exe size
Hi Tomas, If you use a (cross-)compiler for ARM target processor, the generated binary will be indeed an ARM binary, of course (ready to run on an ARM under the selected target OS - WinCE in your case). If targetting WinCE OS, you can only use WinCE RTL and/or other units prepared for that target, so if the particular API isn't supported for WinCE (as opposed to other WinXX platforms), it simply won't compile. This is bad news for me, I need control over the computer. The Windows version of the program uses a lot of api calls. Seems my only option is use Visual Studio :-( Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Exe size
- Original Message - From: "Marco van de Voort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Note that wince's api is a subset of winapi. And that VS will suffer from that also. I know, but for a remote support system, I need to control the computer. For CE, it wil be very basic though. Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Exe size
Hi Tomas, Similarly to Felipe, I don't understand why this should be a bad news for you or why this should mean that Visual Studio gave you something not available with FPC (or what that "something" was in that case)... It looks as if I either don't understand what you meant with the statement above, or that I didn't express myself clearly and you understood me differently (and that Marco's additional explanation regarding relation between Win32 and WinCE API hasn't helped to clarify that either). It's clear that I can't call an api that doesn't exist on a specific platform. I don't know how the crosscompiler works, maybe that's confusing me. If I use KOL, will all the api calls be translated to arm or do I have to use ARM api's directly ? thanks, Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Exe size
Hi Tomas, I don't know much about KOL, but if I understand it correctly, it's a framework (GUI library if you like) allowing the programmer to use Pascal classes for the various GUI elements. Implementation of these classes uses then the native API calls provided by the particular platform (Win32 or WinCE in your case). In other words, if using KOL, you don't use the API calls directly at all. In any case, you don't need to care about whether the API calls are running on an x86 or ARM CPU, this is the job of FPC to generate proper binary code for the requested CPU (see notes about cross-compilation above). thanks for your explanation, but that's not what I needed to know I know KOL uses api calls (used it years ago), but I prefer to create my forms, buttons etc. directly with api calls myself to keep the exe size as small as possible. My problem is: how should I write api call's for a different target platform , how are they interpreted by the crosscompiler, C-style or pascal-style...? thanks, Paul PS: my Mac installation keeps giving me a headache. After removing and installing, adding all folders manually, I got it running and could even run a small program. Next day, I get a OS-message that Lazarus is not a regular mac application and is now blocked (OS X 10.5) ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Exe size
"U kunt het programma lazarus.app niet openen, omdat het niet wordt ondersteund door deze architecture" translated: "You can't open program lazarus.app, because it's not supported by this architecture" Paul - Original Message - From: "Jonas Maebe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Exe size On 08 Sep 2008, at 08:34, Paul wrote: After removing and installing, adding all folders manually, I got it running and could even run a small program. Next day, I get a OS-message that Lazarus is not a regular mac application and is now blocked (OS X 10.5) Can you please give the exact error message you get (in Dutch is ok), because I've never heard of any error message stating "This application is not a regular Mac OS X application and is now blocked" or similar. Please be more specific, because otherwise it is very hard to help. For an interesting essay on this, see http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html Jonas ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Install FPC/Lazarus for Win CE
Hi, I want to install FPC/Lazarus for Win CE, and since I have still problems with it on the iMac, I want to be sure I'm doing it right the first time. I've printed info found on wiki. on http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Windows_CE_Interface#Using_the_snapshot_add-on_installer, I read : < Using the stable add-on installer With the first stable release of Free Pascal for Windows CE the installation of a WinCE development environment was never easier. Step-by-step guide: Install the latest Lazarus on Windows normally from SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339 Download and install the add-on installer for the same Lazarus version you just downloaded. It's on the same Source Forge Download page. only I can't find the add-on there. Does anyone know where I can find a complete install description that is up to date ? thanks, Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Install FPC/Lazarus for Win CE
The best solution is using the snapshots: http://www.hu.freepascal.org/lazarus/ You need to install: Lazarus - full - fpc 2.2.2 win32 Lazarus-0.9.25-16519-fpc-2.2.2-20080910-win32.exe and Lazarus - fpc 2.2.2 win32 -> arm wince Lazarus-0.9.25-fpc-2.2.2-20080908-cross-arm-wince-win32.exe Need to install all 4 packages in this order ? since I have still problems with it on the iMac Are you using Windows in you iMac? You need to use Windows as a development operating system to develop for Windows CE. No, installed FPC/Lazarus on my iMac, but there are problems with it. Appearantly, I'm not the only one, I've seen problems with it on the mac-pascal list too. On Mac OS X 10.5, I can't start Lazarus (OS-error : You can't start lazzarus.app - it's not supported by this architecture) That's the reason I want to know exactly what steps to perform before I start. You can find a lot of info on the net about installing, but they don't always say the same or are not complete/updated etc. Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Install FPC/Lazarus for Win CE
I for one can not get Lazarus to run on 10.4.11 G5 Quad. Followed all installation instructions - no launch. I don't care to download the source and compile, I expect the easy installation to work (funny Mac user). although not as it should, I'm happy I'm not the only one ... I spent a few days trying to get it running. When I finally got it running, I could run some small test programs until I closed Lazarus.app. The next morning, I got the OS error message... I'll wait for the dmg release. I'll try that one too, but it won't be ready for at least 2 months Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Install FPC/Lazarus for Win CE
2 packages in this order. I installed both packages, but I can't find anything of the crosscompiler. I've set the LCL Widget to WinCe, but can't comple anything. Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Install FPC/Lazarus for Win CE
Target operating system: wince Target architecture: arm I can't find these 2, are these to be set in lazarus or fpc? Do I have to set arm if the target is a intel processor ? Paul - Original Message - From: "Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Install FPC/Lazarus for Win CE On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I installed both packages, but I can't find anything of the crosscompiler. I've set the LCL Widget to WinCe, but can't comple anything. You need to set 3 things: Widgetset: wince Target operating system: wince Target architecture: arm -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Install FPC/Lazarus for Win CE
In Lazarus. Menu Project --> Compiler Options --> Code tab thanks. That's wrong: the i386 compiler knows also i386-wince. Only the rtl and packages need to be compiled. Are they available somewhere (compiled) or do I need to do that ? Isn't WinCE x86 just a subset of Win32 ? Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] WinCE api calls info
Hi, where can I find a list of available api calls for WinCE/Arm ? I need to make a screenshot, set the cursor postion and inject keypresses. thanks, Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] WinCE api calls info
Found some in InterfaceBase; docs are very hard to find for a starter though . Why doesn't TBitmap.Create exist in WinCE? I'm trying to take a screenshot.. Paul - Original Message - From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 4:50 PM Subject: [fpc-pascal] WinCE api calls info Hi, where can I find a list of available api calls for WinCE/Arm ? I need to make a screenshot, set the cursor postion and inject keypresses. thanks, Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] WinCE api calls info
http://lazarus-ccr.sourceforge.net/docs/lcl/ thanks for this link. Why doesn't TBitmap.Create exist in WinCE? Of course it exists. It's in the Graphics unit and it is part of Lazarus. You need to install Lazarus to use it, not just Free Pascal. is installed this way. http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Developing_with_Graphics#Taking_a_screenshot_of_the_screen I already found this and wanted to use it. Unfortunalety, TBitmap.create is not recognized by the lazarus IDE (WinCE) Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] WinCE api calls info
Is the Graphics unit in your uses clause? yes, it is TBitmap works in Windows CE, so there is something wrong with your code. var bmp: TBitmap; begin bmp:= TBitmap.Create; what's wrong with this? thanks, Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] WinCE api calls info
- Original Message - From: "Mattias Gaertner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mouse.CursorPos.X := 80; Mouse.CursorPos.Y := 80; this is accepted in the IDE Mouse.CursorPos:=Point(80,80); this isn't accepted Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] WinCE api calls info
- Original Message - From: "Mattias Gaertner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What error do you get? unit1.pas Fatal: syntax error ")" exptected but "," found (in point (80,80)); Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] WinCE api calls info
Cursorpos solved. I had units InterfaceBase, LCLIntf, LCLType still in the uses clause. Paul I has unuts - Original Message - From: "Mattias Gaertner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] WinCE api calls info On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:44:43 +0200 "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: "Mattias Gaertner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Mouse.CursorPos.X := 80; >> Mouse.CursorPos.Y := 80; this is accepted in the IDE Yes, because it is syntactically correct. But it only changes some temporary stack variables. Nothing will happen. > Mouse.CursorPos:=Point(80,80); this isn't accepted What error do you get? procedure TMainForm.Button1Click(Sender: TObject); begin Mouse.CursorPos:=Point(80,80); end; Mattias ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] WinCE api calls info
- Original Message -
From: "Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions"
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] WinCE api calls info
Please copy here your entire unit.
{$mode objfpc}{$H+}
{.$smartlink on}
{.$DEFINE RELEASE}
{.$FPC_LINK_SMART}
interface
uses
Classes, SysUtils, LResources, Forms, Controls, Graphics, Dialogs,
StdCtrls,
ExtCtrls, windows;
type
{ TForm1 }
TForm1 = class(TForm)
Button1: TButton;
Button2: TButton;
Image1: TImage;
Label1: TLabel;
procedure Button1Click(Sender: TObject);
procedure Button2Click(Sender: TObject);
private
{ private declarations }
public
{ public declarations }
end;
var
Form1: TForm1;
implementation
{ TForm1 }
procedure captureScreen;
var
MyBitmap: TBitmap;
ScreenDC: HDC;
begin
MyBitmap := TBitmap.create;
ScreenDC := GetDC(0);
MyBitmap.LoadFromDevice(ScreenDC);
ReleaseDC(ScreenDC);
end;
procedure TForm1.Button2Click(Sender: TObject);
begin
Mouse.CursorPos:= point(10, 10);
// WidgetSet.setcursorpos(10, 10); // uses InterfaceBase
end;
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Re: [fpc-pascal] WinCE api calls info
There are conflicts : when I remove Windows from the uses clause, then TBitmap.create is OK. But then HDC is not anymore Paul - Original Message - From: "Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] WinCE api calls info Please copy here your entire unit. -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] WinCE api calls info
Already done, uses Classes, SysUtils, LResources, Forms, Controls, Graphics, Dialogs, StdCtrls, ExtCtrls, windows; procedure captureScreen; var MyBitmap: Graphics.TBitmap; ScreenDC: HDC; begin MyBitmap := Graphics.TBitmap.Create; try Mybitmap.Canvas.CopyMode:= cmSrcInvert; //OK ScreenDC := GetDC(0); MyBitmap.LoadFromDevice(ScreenDC); . finally ReleaseDC(ScreenDC); <-- error wrong number of parameters end; end; I haven't found what the parameters have to be this way Paul - Original Message - From: "Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] WinCE api calls info On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: when I remove Windows from the uses clause, then TBitmap.create is OK. But then HDC is not anymore Try specifing Graphics.TBitmap -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] WinCE simulate touchscreen click
I'm trying to simulate a click on the screen. I thought I could use mouse_event, but when I call mouse_event from a button, the button begins to flip (black-white-black...) Anyone knows how ? Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Can't resize form in WinCE
Hi Felipe, I have a printed copy of this document and already have used all available borderstyles without success. (I'm using an emulator) Paul - Original Message - From: "Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Can't resize form in WinCE Hello, The behavior is documented here: http://wiki.freepascal.org/Windows_CE_Development_Notes#Positioning_and_size_of_Dialogs_and_Forms In short, set the BorderStyle to bsDialog, but you really should read this wiki page to better understand Windows CE development. -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Can't resize form in WinCE
version 0.9.24 - Original Message - From: "Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Can't resize form in WinCE Which version of Lazarus are you using? You should use a snapshot, or the upcoming 0.9.26 -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Can't resize form in WinCE
Installed these packages
Lazarus-0.9.25-16602-fpc-2.2.2-20080916-win32.exe
Lazarus-0.9.25-16602-fpc-2.2.2-20080916-cross-arm-wince-win32.exe
If I try to compile the project, this error pops up:
FATAL: Can't find unit interfaces used by project 1
in project file at line:
uses
{$IFDEF UNIX}{$IFDEF UseCThreads}
what went wrong here ?
thanks,
Paul
- Original Message -
From: "Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions"
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Can't resize form in WinCE
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
version 0.9.24
Try updating then.
Which means at the moment using a snapshot (you need to install both
lazarus for win32 and then the wince addon on top of. You can have
multiple versions of Lazarus installed in your system).
Or very soon using 0.9.26
Usually the latest stable is a very good choice, but with Lazarus
0.9.24 it was the first release with Windows CE support, so many
things weren't finished yet. The current support in 0.9.25 is much
better, and *a lot* has been improved, and the documentation has been
updated for those changes.
--
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
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Re: [fpc-pascal] Can't resize form in WinCE
- Original Message - From: "Vincent Snijders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FPC-Pascal users discussions" Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Can't resize form in WinCE No idea. Please paste the compiler options in an email: Project -> Compiler Options -> Show Options. Vincent This is the config file: Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Next stabel installation for WinCE ?
When will there we a new stable installation release for WinCE ? For the moment, I've given up FPC/Lazarus and ordered VS2008. I removed the current installation and installed FPC/Lazarus again with: Lazarus-0.9.25-16602-fpc-2.2.2-20080916-win32.exe and Lazarus-0.9.25-16602-fpc-2.2.2-20080916-cross-arm-wince-win32.exe and also with: Lazarus-0.9.25-16602-fpc-2.2.3-20080916-win32.exe and Lazarus-0.9.25-16630-fpc-2.2.3-20080918-cross-arm-wince-win32.exe I have set Widgetset to wince Target operating system to wince Target architecture to arm I can't even compile an empty project (empty form) I hope the next release will solve the problems. Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Next stabel installation for WinCE ?
It will depend on you luck a bit, but if you had followed mattias advices you would have made it work. Maybe, but in both installed versions, I can even find folder c:\lazarus\fpc\2.2.2\units\arm-wince\wince\ The \wince\ subfolder doesn't exist. So I can only assume that both install packages fail. Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Suspected Strange Error in FPC
I have a heads up report which I have to make in this form because it's not repeatable. I am sometimes getting errors that, when I try creating sample programs to repeat them, first I will get a problem, then sometimes if I add comments, all of a sudden the problem vanishes and I get clean compiles that do work. I'm not sure exactly what is happening, because sometimes I can get the problem to repeat itself consistently, but then I check to see and the problem is no longer present. I was trying to produce a reproducible bug and in 4 cases, the bug would disappear and the (sample) programs would then compile correctly. So there is something which, at the moment, I can't quite put my finger on. Where the issue is, is in another program I'm trying to compile and getting spurious errors. I have a relatively large program (7028 lines) which is comiing up as being too short; FPC thinks when the program reaches END. that there should still be more code present. This program compiles successfully with the Australian Atomic Energy Commission (AAEC) Pascal Compiler for the IBM 370 Mainframe. Which it should, as it turns out, the program *IS* the AAEC Pascal compiler. (It's obviously a much simpler version of Pascal than that supported by Free Pascal.) I've tracked the problem down to one specific nested procedure in that if I put a BEGIN END; BEGIN END. before this one procedure it does a clean compile. Putting them after this one procedure causes the compiler to think the program is too short. I put count marks on all of the BEGIN END pairs and it balances correctly. So I can't quite figure out what is wrong. Perhaps the program is exceeding the maximum number of nested procedures. I've been doing a translation on it to try and compile it on FPC to see how it would work. (Also to give me ideas on how to port FPC over to the IBM 370 which is my eventual intent.) AAEC seems to do a bang-up job of putting stress on FPC in ways I haven't seen before and allowing me to discover just how strong the FPC compiler is, in the ways it enforces strict type checking and other issues and to a degree may make programs more documenting. I get wierd errors in different ways that aren't always consistent. When trying to isolate the problems, in some cases I can repeat the problem and other times I can't. Currently the only one I am consistently getting is that FPC thinks the AAEC Compiler source is too short, and it also (sometimes) doesn't like a pointer issue, but when I try reproducing the pointer problem as another program, first it gave an error the same way, then it stopped giving errors and reported the small program as compiling correctly. I'm not sure if there is an issue with the IDE that is used under Windows. It could be that there is a problem with the size of the generated program. But it does use lots of procedures so it shouldn't create a very large procedure. I suspect there could be a problem with comments in programs, especially the use of the old fashioned (* and *) format. Sometimes the use of a construct such as () or something similar may cause spurious errors, but sometimes it doesn't have a problem and I'm not sure why. There may be a problem with the * character embedded in a (* style comment. I know this is a bit of a frustrating (pseudo-) bug report, but it's a frustrating problem which isn't consistent. The problem could also be that the generated program is exceeding some limit in FPC in different ways and causing spurious errors as a result. I think the next step is to take this program and break it into units, which might help solve the problem. If I can better isolate the issue and get a repeatable condition I'll report it once I can get the error to manifest itself. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Examples of FPC good practice
I would like to point out some places where I think FPC has done an excellent job of continuing the spirit of what Pascal was and should be: a programming language which provides better "safety" in the creation of computer programs. By "safety" I mean that more potential errors are either prevented or cannot occur in the first place. Buffer overflows, spam, viruses are the results of the lack or inadequacy of safety in program development. I hadn't even thought about it until now, but a Pascal program that is compiled with run-time checks (which is the default) will not have a buffer overflow problem, because attempting to access an array outside of the appropriate bounds isn't just a bad practice, it causes a program error and unless it's in a TRY/FINALLY block, the program will crash instead of doing something it shouldn't. Now, there are ways to get around this, but you would have to be aware that is exactly what you're trying to do. Here is an example of one really good feature: In the AAEC Pascal compiler (which, like FPC is written to be self-compilable), it defines a construct for defining relocations of addresses. (Numbers on each line are from the source.) These are defined as follows: TYPE (*0221*)RLDDATA = RECORD (*0222*)RELPOS : INTEGER; (*0223*)FLAGADDRESS : INTEGER (*0224*) END; (*0225*) (*0226*) (*0227*)RLDBUF = RECORD (*0228*) PRELUDE : ALFA; (*0229*) BYTES : INTEGER; (*0230*) DUMMY : PACKED ARRAY (. 1..4 .) OF CHAR; (*0231*) RLDITEMS: ARRAY (. 1..7 .) OF RLDDATA; (*0232*) SEQNOS : ALFA (*0233*) END; VAR (*0401*)RLD : RLDBUF; (* MAIN RLD BUFFER *) Now, to set the value it uses a 'value' clause, like this: (*0468*)VALUE (*0537*)RLD := (# ' RLD',0,'',0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,' '#); FPC requires the setting of the value to be done like this: (*0468*)CONST (*0537*) RLD : RLDBUF = (prelude:' RLD';bytes: 0; dummy: ''; rlditems:((relpos: 0;flagaddress: 0), (relpos: 0;flagaddress: 0), (relpos: 0;flagaddress: 0), (relpos: 0;flagaddress: 0), (relpos: 0;flagaddress: 0), (relpos: 0;flagaddress: 0), (relpos: 0;flagaddress: 0)); seqnos:''); (I've spread the one line across many lines to improve readability.) Here, what each value is becomes mandatorily documented, making a big win for readability and correctness, since you can't accidentally assign a value wrongly; you have to explicitly name the fields of the record to assign values to them. One thing I do like AAEC doing is the use of a 'VALUE' clause in order to separate immutable constants versus compile-time initialized data. I also like the use of := to indicate it is an assignment, and the use of (# and #) to make explicit that this is a compile-time initialization of a variable. (The (# and #) construct is only used for value entries.) This might be something to consider as an option. So each has some potential advantages. FPC does what it does to be compatible with Turbo Pascal. I personally like the way FPC requires explicit naming of record fields for assignment, I think it's a good idea. Paul Robinson Robinson Telephone Company Arlington VA ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Unicode support
17.05.12 2:51, Andrew Brunner wrote:
I wanted to ask what the present state of unicode support is now.
Compiler supports AnsiStrings with codepage information and converts
them between ansistrings and between other string types with implicit
codepage conversion. RawByteString and UTF8String are both supported by
compiler too.
For 2 byte encodings compiler has WideString and UnicodeString types.
RTL has only basic support for codepage aware strings and unicodestring
type. Most of the code still works with AnsiString.
> I'm running into problems with some various strings. Sometimes when a
string contains a unicode character postgresql won't allow the
insert/update. Also, some MP3 tags contain UTF16, UTF16BE and I really
don't know of the best practice on how to handle multi-byte characters
in code.
It is difficult to say what is wrong - we don't see the code.
Anyone want to comment on direction of FPC for Unicode... Ie I think the
string field should be able to re-map to UTF8. Is that something that
can be done?
What string field? Of what class? If you are about string type itself
you can use {$H+}, {$codepage UTF-8} and
SetMultiByteConversionCodePage(CP_UTF8) if you want to have string type
to be utf8 string in your project.
What can I do to support unicode in the serving of
pages/files/documents/music without having to have encoding aware code.
What you want is probably UnicodeString RTL which is not available at
the moment.
Best regards,
Paul Ishenin
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Re: [fpc-pascal] fpGUI Toolkit v0.8 release for FPC 2.4.4 & 2.6.0-rc
I've recently added new releases for Linux and ARM Linux on this page: http://www.turbocontrol.com/easyfpgui.htm Also a few new releases on this page (including a note on how I recently got ppcarm 2.6.0 working for console programs on my Android phone): http://www.turbocontrol.com/helloworld.htm Paul Breneman wrote on 4-Jan-2012: Since the earlier release on 23-Dec-2011 the file mentioned below has been updated to FPC 2.6.0 and the serial debug terminal example also has some improvements made. Paul Breneman wrote on 23-Dec-2011: I have posted a 3.9 MB zip file that has a minimal distribution of the FPC 2.4.4 compiler as well as the new fpGUI v0.8 source code on this page: http://www.turbocontrol.com/easyfpgui.htm I've also included (Synapse) SynaSer source and a serial debug terminal program I've been working on. Also new is the option of compiling the new (alpha?) fpGUI IDE. No installation is needed! Just extract the zip into a new folder. Open a command prompt in the root folder of what was extracted. Then type "compile dbgterm" and when that finishes (give it some time) type "cd bin" and then "dbgterm" and you should be up and running the new serial debug terminal. It really is that easy thanks to the Free Pascal and other teams! ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] ..installing XCode ...make sure not to deselect UNIX development support - TOO LATE
- I had already installed XCode 4.3 on my Mac before attempting to install fpc, and had deselected UNIX development support. I have attempted to completely remove 4.3 and installed 4.2. fpc appeared to install OK, and the firemonkey installation which I wanted it for. I have transferred a firemonkey project to my mac, but when I open it the pas files are not recognised, and selecting one results in a 'no editor' message. So I presume that fpc has not installed correectly, despite the 'installation successful' message. I have installed 4.3, and the command line tools, but that leaves me in the same situation. I have never seen the 'deselect UNIX' option again, despite removing bot 4.3 and 4.2. Can anyone advise me of a way to recover this situation so that I can use fpc with xcode and firemonkey please? Thank you! Paul. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] virtual class var?
07.08.12, 8:18, Andrew Haines wrote: Hi, is it possible to have a virtual class variable? I want to have a pointer available per class that can be a different value. Something like this: TA = class class var Foo: TObject; virtual; end; TB = class(TA) class var Foo: TSpecialObject; override; end; Class variable is stored the same way as a regular variable and has the only difference is that it can be accessible with the class name prefix. The thing you need requires different implementation - something like storing a virtual class variable in VMT. There is no implementation for that. Best regards, Paul Ishenin ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] virtual class var?
07.08.12, 11:24, Andrew Haines wrote: What is the current implementation? I would guess that class vars are stored in the vmt already... No, class var and regular variable has no difference except the scope. It is a static variable which is shared between all instances and descendants - so why should it be stored in vmt or near it? Best regards, Paul Ishenin ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Compiling on Raspberry Pi
Hi Koenraad, I recently recieved my Raspberry PI. That's an arm-linux device. I downloaded the easyfpgui-package from http://www.turbocontrol.com/easyfpgui.htm. I can't compile the dbgterm, I get errors on baudrates that seem undefined. In the sources these baudrates are enclosed in IFDEF's. How can I know what constants are defined, is there an easy way ? Of course I could write a pascal-program with just writeln's enclosed in an IFDEF of each possible constant. But where does fpc get the values of these constants from ? The rest of the apps compile fine although I had no possibility to test them since I don't yet have a suitable video-cable. Someone has already reported: "At least the helloworld and memotest seem to compile and run OK." http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=11622&p=127349#p127349 You might want to copy the two files in the SynaSerFromSynapse40 folder to the root folder and remove "synafpc" from the interface uses list in both units. That might get things to compile for you. I'll have to use QEmu and try compiling DbgTerm as that is how I tested things as I don't have a Raspberry Pi (yet). Please report back here if/when you get further. Thanks! Paul ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: [Lazarus] Any FPC/Lazarus success stories on Nokia N9?
zeljko wrote: On Saturday 25 of August 2012 14:30:12 Reinier Olislagers wrote: Hi FPC & Lazarus lists (crossposted), Just wondering if anybody has compiled FPC, Lazarus, or fpgui applications on Nokia's N9 smartphone. I've successfully built bindings and qtlcl apps for n9 (I guess that Joost also was succesfull). It works, but normal qtlcl app cannot change orientation so it's always horizontal. If you want to create really fancy n9 apps you need QtCreator (Nokia SDK). Besides that, N9 is normal linux machine (eg. X11) with arm processor (no need for QTOPIA defines in bindings like N900 needs). P.S: There's guy on #lazarus-ide irc channel nick = trx. He created complete api to work with nokia ui's,so you can create same app like with QtCreator (under Lazarus) ask him for more details. zeljko You might find stuff that works on the N9 as part of this project: http://www.turbocontrol.com/monitor.htm It should be easy to try the ARM Linux 1.1 MB zip to directly compile on the N9: http://www.turbocontrol.com/helloworld.htm If that works then try a 3.2 MB zip to compile a GUI program using fpGUI: http://www.turbocontrol.com/easyfpgui.htm ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Re: [Lazarus] Any FPC/Lazarus success stories on Nokia N9?
zeljko wrote: On Saturday 25 of August 2012 14:30:12 Reinier Olislagers wrote: Hi FPC & Lazarus lists (crossposted), Just wondering if anybody has compiled FPC, Lazarus, or fpgui applications on Nokia's N9 smartphone. I've successfully built bindings and qtlcl apps for n9 (I guess that Joost also was succesfull). It works, but normal qtlcl app cannot change orientation so it's always horizontal. If you want to create really fancy n9 apps you need QtCreator (Nokia SDK). Besides that, N9 is normal linux machine (eg. X11) with arm processor (no need for QTOPIA defines in bindings like N900 needs). P.S: There's guy on #lazarus-ide irc channel nick = trx. He created complete api to work with nokia ui's,so you can create same app like with QtCreator (under Lazarus) ask him for more details. zeljko You might find stuff that works on the N9 as part of this project: http://www.turbocontrol.com/monitor.htm It should be easy to try the ARM Linux 1.1 MB zip to directly compile on the N9: http://www.turbocontrol.com/helloworld.htm If that works then try a 3.2 MB zip to compile a GUI program using fpGUI: http://www.turbocontrol.com/easyfpgui.htm ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC + fpGUI + Raspberry Pi = fantastic
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hi, I received my Raspberry Pi today, and had a bit of a play. I'm using the Debian 6 OS with my Pi. I downloaded the FPC+fpGUI ARM archive (only a 3.5MB download), packaged by Paul Breneman. http://www.turbocontrol.com/easyfpgui.htm [Awesome work there, Paul. You can get much easier than than. Just unpack and you are ready to work.] It works fantastically well. I could compile all the fpGUI demos without me having to do anything extra in fpGUI. How cool is that! :-) All I had to do to get my projects to link successfully, was to install a few missing packages, which were not included with the Debian 6 distro for the Pi. sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install libX11-dev libXft-dev I'll have to speak to somebody to see if they could include it as standard - after all, the Pi is meant for developers to play with. If anybody has contacts, please let me know. Hi Graeme, I got my RPi a couple of days ago so we are on the same page! :) Thanks for all your great work with fpGUI! I used this *very* easy method to load Debian on my RPi: http://www.berryterminal.com/doku.php/berryboot I even compiled and ran the more complex fpGUI apps like the GUI Forms Designer, DocView (help viewer), and Maximus (a sample fpGUI IDE). Even FPTest (my Free Pascal Unit Testing project works). DbgTerm doesn't compile so I hope to update SynaSer for that ASAP. We (our company) have some big plans for the Raspberry Pi, with a potentially huge deployment. The first tests with this device is very promising. Kudos must also go to the FPC team, for supporting ARM so well! Maybe with the Raspberry Pi and Free Pascal, we can get Object Pascal back on the map, and in the hands of young developers. After all, Pascal was initially designed as a teaching language - easy to learn, read and write. I have the separate pieces on the educational project page and hope to write a tutorial soon so a 12-year-old could spend less than $100 (US) and program an embedded RPi to monitor house temperatures and send emails and text messages (daily or more often if temps out of range). I also think we should take advantage of the RPi educational opportunities. If someday we can get a phone with native Linux that too will hopefully be easy to program like the RPi. www.TurboControl.com/monitor.htm ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC + fpGUI + Raspberry Pi = fantastic
Three minimal FPC and fpGUI distros were just updated on this page: http://www.turbocontrol.com/easyfpgui.htm The serial debug terminal (uses SynaSer part of Synapse) now compiles and the RPi works with my Gearmo USB to serial adapters (that use FTDI chipsets). Should be fun to see what embedded projects the RPi can be used in... :) ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Seems Delphi is moving to Java-style primitive types
17.10.12, 17:00, Graeme Geldenhuys пишет: Well, kind-of... I don't know if C# also supports this (like Java). It probably does, because for the last few years, Delphi has just been copying whatever is in C#. [sad] ... Interesting. This was already discussed here or fpc-devel list. Best regards, Paul Ishenin ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] A simple HTTP request with FPC standard units
luciano de souza wrote: Among its hundreds of units, the Freepascal always keeps surprises for us. FPHTTPClient was a pleasant surprise. The talk has followed freely and perhaps my question has been skipped: is there Freepascal native routines to deal with SMTP protocol? In other words, is there a native way to send an e-mail with Freepascal? Here is the most simple way I know of (but I'd be glad to learn of a more simple way): http://www.turbocontrol.com/easyemail.htm -- Regards, Paul Breneman www.dbReplication.com - VCL database replication components www.TurboControl.com - Hardware and software development services - Educational programming project for environment monitoring - Information on using FreePascal for embedded systems - Support information for the TurboPower open source libraries ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Class procedural type
18.12.12, 5:26, Ewald пишет: Suppose TTestClass contains `AField: Integer; static;`, then the following would be right if I understand you correctly? Class Procedure TTestClass.AMethod; static; // I don't know if `static` should be in the implementation as well, but I'll soon figure out :-) Begin AField:= 0; //Wrong? My guess is it would fail to compile in this case, but I haven't got a compiler at hand now. TTestClass.AField:= 0; //Right? End; Both calls will work. AMethod still belongs to class, so it first searches identifier in that class. Best regards, Paul Ishenin ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Strings - suggestions
22.12.12, 22:58, Martin Schreiber пишет: That was so in the beginning but Delphi later changed it. So a Delphi UnicodeString variable currently allways is utf-16 encoded. The same in FPC. Best regards, Paul Ishenin ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
