Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: FPC 2.2.1 on Mac OS X

[Damien Gerard]

Le Jun 5, 2008 à 8:11 AM, Karl-Michael Schindler a écrit :


Hallo

Am 4. Jun 2008 um 09:56 schrieb Damien Gerard:


Le Jun 4, 2008 à 8:51 AM, Karl-Michael Schindler a écrit :

I only noticed now the discussion on the mailing list about fpc  
2.2.1 and lazarus on Mac OS X. As the maintainer of the .info  
files of fpc and lazarus I should probably lay out my ideas about  
the future.


The next step is fpc 2.2.2. It should resolve some of the issues  
in a clean way and enable to remove some workarounds as well as  
serve as a solid base for a lazarus installation.


When this is settled, I will extend lazarus in the following way:

1) create so-called splitoffs, so there will be separate packages  
for lazarus-gtk1, lazarus-aqua and when ready lazarus-gtk2.
Then the user can simply choose the best interface for his  
situation. This can be done, whatever the default setting of  
LCLPLATFORM will be.


2) create double clickable Lazarus applications with links in / 
Applications/Fink.




Please not Fink. Put only Lazarus.app as it already exists (Carbon  
widgetset) into /Applications/ (through an installer since it  
installs FPC too).


I do not really understand this. Fink is not suppossed to install  
anything anywhere else than in the /sw/... tree and /Applications/ 
Fink. Direct installations into /Applications are the matter of  
the .dmg based packages, which is a different way not related to fink.




How do you use fink for your work with freepascal and lazarus?


I don't use Fink. I use MacPort, which is far better from my point of  
view (actually more up-to-date than Fink, especially when there is a  
major system update).




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Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC_ARMEL system calls

[Henry Vermaak]

2008/6/4 Florian Klaempfl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I've fixed some stuff, so it should work with -O2 as well.

thanks, it works here now.

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Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC_ARMEL system calls

[Henry Vermaak]

2008/6/4 Florian Klaempfl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I've fixed some stuff, so it should work with -O2 as well.

won't the startup code need to change for eabi?  i can at least see a
problem with the exit syscall there that won't work with eabi.

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Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC on Palm

[Jonas Maebe]

On 04 Jun 2008, at 00:28, Andrew Haines wrote:

Hi, I tried to build a crosscompiler for palmos-arm and palmos-m68k  
but

both failed to compile.


At least palmos-m68k is to be expected, since the m68k code generator  
hasn't worked past version 1.0.10a. I don't think any development on  
PalmOS has happened either the last couple of years (and I don't know  
if palmos-arm has ever worked).



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Re: [fpc-pascal] x86_64 assembler

[Jonas Maebe]

On 04 Jun 2008, at 23:43, mm wrote:


How can one declare a constant of type qword with the INTEL assembler?
I am using FPC 2.2.0 and the mnemonic "dq"  stops the compilation with
the message "Error: Unrecognized opcode DQ".


As far as I can see, that's not possible at this time.


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Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC_ARMEL system calls

[Nataraj S Narayan]

Hi Henry, Luca

I got a 'ppcarm' after compiling the fpc-svn. I copied the pparm to the
qemu-system-arm emulated machine and tried to compile a Helloworld.pas.
fpc showed some errors related to FPU and stopped. Then i copied many *.o
and *.ppu files from host to qemu machine. This time fpc compiled and linked
the crt0.o and system.o and few other file, and the program worked.

But when i copied to the actual target AT91SAM9263 , it wont work - just
 waits endlessly.

strace in the target gives:-

syscall(0x90004c,0x3,0xbebd6de8,0xbebd6df0,0x4) = -1 EINTR (Interrupted
system call)

And finally a bad file descriptor. Exit(0).

The architecture is  "armvtejl" in both target as well as the emulated
machine.

I tried generating assembler files in emulated and the assembling in the
target. But getting same.

What could be done now?

regards

Nataraj


On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:33 AM, Henry Vermaak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 2008/6/3 Luca Olivetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > the syscall number should be put in r7
> > Also the alignment of the parameters in the registers is different.
> > Of course I cannot make head or tails of syscall.inc, so it's possible
> that
> > everything is already done as it should be.
>
> mov r7, r0 puts the syscall nr into r7.  i haven't looked at the
> alignment, though :-\
>
> "With EABI, 64-bit function parameters passed in registers are aligned
> to an even-numbered register instead of using the next available
> pair."
>
> what output does:
>
> qemu-arm -strace hello
>
> give? (run on your i386 after cross-compiling)
>
> did you compile this with the 2.18 binutils?  my qemu-arm is happy
> with my simple hello program.  even does writeln(2/3) properly.
>
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Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC_ARMEL ld-linux.so.3

[Nataraj S Narayan]

Hi

I find that in my qemu emulated machine , /lib/ld-linux.so.3 is actually a
symink to /lib/ld-2.7.so.

Whereas in my target Arm machine it is just ld-linux.so.3. Could this be any
problem ?

regards

Nataraj

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Nataraj S Narayan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi Henry, Luca
>
> I got a 'ppcarm' after compiling the fpc-svn. I copied the pparm to the
> qemu-system-arm emulated machine and tried to compile a Helloworld.pas.
> fpc showed some errors related to FPU and stopped. Then i copied many *.o
> and *.ppu files from host to qemu machine. This time fpc compiled and linked
> the crt0.o and system.o and few other file, and the program worked.
>
> But when i copied to the actual target AT91SAM9263 , it wont work - just
>  waits endlessly.
>
> strace in the target gives:-
>
> syscall(0x90004c,0x3,0xbebd6de8,0xbebd6df0,0x4) = -1 EINTR (Interrupted
> system call)
>
> And finally a bad file descriptor. Exit(0).
>
> The architecture is  "armvtejl" in both target as well as the emulated
> machine.
>
> I tried generating assembler files in emulated and the assembling in the
> target. But getting same.
>
> What could be done now?
>
> regards
>
> Nataraj
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:33 AM, Henry Vermaak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> 2008/6/3 Luca Olivetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >
>> > the syscall number should be put in r7
>> > Also the alignment of the parameters in the registers is different.
>> > Of course I cannot make head or tails of syscall.inc, so it's possible
>> that
>> > everything is already done as it should be.
>>
>> mov r7, r0 puts the syscall nr into r7.  i haven't looked at the
>> alignment, though :-\
>>
>> "With EABI, 64-bit function parameters passed in registers are aligned
>> to an even-numbered register instead of using the next available
>> pair."
>>
>> what output does:
>>
>> qemu-arm -strace hello
>>
>> give? (run on your i386 after cross-compiling)
>>
>> did you compile this with the 2.18 binutils?  my qemu-arm is happy
>> with my simple hello program.  even does writeln(2/3) properly.
>>
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Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC_ARMEL system calls

[Nataraj S Narayan]

Hi Luca

Please give me the full command used for  cross compiling with all the
options.

Is it "-O-" or just "-O"?

I am able to run the ppcarm which was generated by cross compiling, on the
qemu system, and am able to compile and run a siple writeln app. But when
copying  and executing to the ARM board it justs hangs till i CRTL-C.
regards

Nataraj

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:55 AM, Luca Olivetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> En/na Luca Olivetti ha escrit:
>
>  runs but it doesn't print anything, neither under scratchbox nor on the
>> tablet.
>>
>
> Thanks to Henry Vermaak I rebuilt the cross compiler with -O- and now it
> prints "hello" :-)
>
>
>> I'm trying to cross-compile the gtk2 example but it seems the compiler is
>> ignoring -Xd and -Xr:
>>
>
>
> Well, the compiler it's passing as -rpath what I put in -Xr but the linker
> is ignoring it (at least it seems so).
>
> Anyway, I tried passing -k'L /path/where/I/copied/all/the/target/libraries'
> and it's progressing (it isn't finding some libraries that are there, like
> libc) but I see a bunch of messages like these:
>
> /home/luca/crossbinutils/bin/armel-linux-ld: ERROR: Source object
> /scratchbox/users/luca/targets/CHINOOK_ARMEL/pippo/libgobject-2.0.so has
> EABI version 4, but target packages/gtk2/examples/helloworld/helloworld has
> EABI version 0
> /home/luca/crossbinutils/bin/armel-linux-ld: failed to merge target
> specific data of file /scratchbox/users/luca/targets/CHINOOK_ARMEL/pippo/
> libgobject-2.0.so
> /home/luca/crossbinutils/bin/armel-linux-ld: ERROR: Source object
> /scratchbox/users/luca/targets/CHINOOK_ARMEL/pippo/libglib-2.0.so has EABI
> version 4, but target packages/gtk2/examples/helloworld/helloworld has EABI
> version 0
> /home/luca/crossbinutils/bin/armel-linux-ld: failed to merge target
> specific data of file /scratchbox/users/luca/targets/CHINOOK_ARMEL/pippo/
> libglib-2.0.so
>
>
>
> Bye
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Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: FPC 2.2.1 on Mac OS X

[Jonas Maebe]

On 05 Jun 2008, at 09:50, Damien Gerard wrote:


Le Jun 5, 2008 à 8:11 AM, Karl-Michael Schindler a écrit :


Hallo

Am 4. Jun 2008 um 09:56 schrieb Damien Gerard:

Please not Fink. Put only Lazarus.app as it already exists (Carbon  
widgetset) into /Applications/ (through an installer since it  
installs FPC too).


I do not really understand this. Fink is not suppossed to install  
anything anywhere else than in the /sw/... tree and /Applications/ 
Fink. Direct installations into /Applications are the matter of  
the .dmg based packages, which is a different way not related to  
fink.


How do you use fink for your work with freepascal and lazarus?


I don't use Fink. I use MacPort, which is far better from my point  
of view (actually more up-to-date than Fink, especially when there  
is a major system update).


Michael creates the fink info files for the FPC distribution via fink.  
If you don't use fink, it won't affect you.



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Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: FPC 2.2.1 on Mac OS X

[Damien Gerard]

Le Jun 5, 2008 à 2:09 PM, Jonas Maebe a écrit :



On 05 Jun 2008, at 09:50, Damien Gerard wrote:


Le Jun 5, 2008 à 8:11 AM, Karl-Michael Schindler a écrit :


Hallo

Am 4. Jun 2008 um 09:56 schrieb Damien Gerard:

Please not Fink. Put only Lazarus.app as it already exists  
(Carbon widgetset) into /Applications/ (through an installer  
since it installs FPC too).


I do not really understand this. Fink is not suppossed to install  
anything anywhere else than in the /sw/... tree and /Applications/ 
Fink. Direct installations into /Applications are the matter of  
the .dmg based packages, which is a different way not related to  
fink.


How do you use fink for your work with freepascal and lazarus?


I don't use Fink. I use MacPort, which is far better from my point  
of view (actually more up-to-date than Fink, especially when there  
is a major system update).


Michael creates the fink info files for the FPC distribution via  
fink. If you don't use fink, it won't affect you.




So no problem at all :)
It seems I did not understand it was a Fink only package. Sorry for  
the disagreement




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Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC_ARMEL system calls

[Henry Vermaak]

2008/6/4 Nataraj S Narayan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi Henry, Luca
>
> I got a 'ppcarm' after compiling the fpc-svn. I copied the pparm to the
> qemu-system-arm emulated machine and tried to compile a Helloworld.pas.
> fpc showed some errors related to FPU and stopped. Then i copied many *.o
> and *.ppu files from host to qemu machine. This time fpc compiled and linked
> the crt0.o and system.o and few other file, and the program worked.
>
> But when i copied to the actual target AT91SAM9263 , it wont work - just
>  waits endlessly.
>
> strace in the target gives:-
>
> syscall(0x90004c,0x3,0xbebd6de8,0xbebd6df0,0x4) = -1 EINTR (Interrupted
> system call)
>

the syscall number is wrong.  this has been fixed in trunk, so you've
either copied the wrong files over, or you need to update and rebuild
fpc.

why don't you just cross-compile your program?

henry
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Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC_ARMEL system calls

[Luca Olivetti]

Nataraj S Narayan escribió:

Hi Luca

Please give me the full command used for  cross compiling with all the 
options.


Is it "-O-" or just "-O"?


It is "-O-", i.e. turn off optimizations. If you update from svn you 
shouldn't need that.


As per the full command, it's somewhere in one of my previous messages, 
however the paths are specific to my installation, so you're probably 
better off using the script that Henry sent you on the lazarus mailing list.


Bye
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Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC_ARMEL system calls

[Luca Olivetti]

Henry Vermaak escribió:


why don't you just cross-compile your program?


because it's too darn difficult? (not that native compiling is an easy 
walkbut see my problems trying to cross-compile the gtk2 hello program)


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Re: [fpc-pascal] x86_64 assembler

[mm]

Jonas Maebe a écrit :

How can one declare a constant of type qword with the INTEL assembler?
I am using FPC 2.2.0 and the mnemonic "dq"  stops the compilation with
the message "Error: Unrecognized opcode DQ".


As far as I can see, that's not possible at this time.


That's what I was afraid of. Thanks anyway.

So the simplest solution is to use the ATT (GAS?) assembler.

mm

http://www.ellipsa.net/
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Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC_ARMEL ld-linux.so.3

[Luca Olivetti]

Nataraj S Narayan escribió:

Hi

I find that in my qemu emulated machine , /lib/ld-linux.so.3 is actually 
a symink to /lib/ld-2.7.so .


Whereas in my target Arm machine it is just ld-linux.so.3. Could this be 
any problem ?


I'm in no way an expert but I don't think so: in my n800 there's only 
ld-linux.so.3 and the hello program works *but* I've cross-compiled it: 
up until now I haven't succeeded in building a native eabi compiler (as 
you can see from my messages the linker under scratchbox, from the 
codesourcery toolchain, gives an error).
I'd say you should update your fpc sources from svn and rebuild the 
compiler, since Florian committed a couple of important fixes for eabi 
in the last few days.



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Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: FPC 2.2.1 on Mac OS X

[Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho]

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:11 AM, Karl-Michael Schindler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How do you use fink for your work with freepascal and lazarus?

I think that the question is that using fink shouldn't be necessary to
install the Carbon based Lazarus. It could be deployed like any other
native application, in a .dmg disk image with a .app application
bundle, which can be moved to /Applications

Most people would like to avoid fink if possible, but maybe you have a
compeling reason to use it instead of the standard install method for
native applications

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: FPC 2.2.1 on Mac OS X

[Vincent Snijders]

Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho schreef:

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:11 AM, Karl-Michael Schindler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

How do you use fink for your work with freepascal and lazarus?


I think that the question is that using fink shouldn't be necessary to
install the Carbon based Lazarus. It could be deployed like any other
native application, in a .dmg disk image with a .app application
bundle, which can be moved to /Applications

Most people would like to avoid fink if possible, but maybe you have a
compeling reason to use it instead of the standard install method for
native applications


Fink could be useful for the compiler. The compiler is not installed under 
/Applications.


Vincent
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Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC_ARMEL system calls

[Henry Vermaak]

2008/6/5 Luca Olivetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Henry Vermaak escribió:
>
>> why don't you just cross-compile your program?
>
> because it's too darn difficult? (not that native compiling is an easy
> walkbut see my problems trying to cross-compile the gtk2 hello program)
>

my best (and uneducated) guess would be that fpc doesn't set the
correct version/flags.  i don't know where this happens, so someone
else will have to try and fix.  it doesn't look like it's in link.res
(or maybe it should be).

native compiling won't make a difference, since you should link to the
same libraries.

in the past i've managed to get around such problems by using ld
options, but i can't think of an option that ignores the version of
the abi.

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: FPC 2.2.1 on Mac OS X

[Jonas Maebe]

On 05 Jun 2008, at 15:31, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote:


On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:11 AM, Karl-Michael Schindler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

How do you use fink for your work with freepascal and lazarus?


I think that the question is that using fink shouldn't be necessary to
install the Carbon based Lazarus.


Nobody has claimed that it is or should be. But Michael is working on  
enabling the installation of a Carbon-based Lazarus using fink, and in  
that case you have to decide on how to do it. Which is all what the  
original question was about.



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Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: FPC 2.2.1 on Mac OS X

[Damien Gerard]

Le Jun 5, 2008 à 3:32 PM, Vincent Snijders a écrit :


Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho schreef:

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:11 AM, Karl-Michael Schindler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

How do you use fink for your work with freepascal and lazarus?
I think that the question is that using fink shouldn't be necessary  
to

install the Carbon based Lazarus. It could be deployed like any other
native application, in a .dmg disk image with a .app application
bundle, which can be moved to /Applications
Most people would like to avoid fink if possible, but maybe you  
have a

compeling reason to use it instead of the standard install method for
native applications


Fink could be useful for the compiler. The compiler is not installed  
under /Applications.




Snapshots don't use Fink as far I know and it works well on my laptop.
That's why I was talking about an installer, mostly to install FPC.  
But I think it could be install in the same directory of Lazarus like  
it is done under Windows.


By the way, I don't know if it is a good idea, but the install dir may  
be /Developper/Applications/Lazarus instead of /Applications, like  
XCode and others dev tools.



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Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: FPC 2.2.1 on Mac OS X

[Jonas Maebe]

On 05 Jun 2008, at 15:45, Damien Gerard wrote:

By the way, I don't know if it is a good idea, but the install dir  
may be /Developper/Applications/Lazarus instead of /Applications,  
like XCode and others dev tools.


As of Mac OS X 10.5.x, Xcode can be installed anywhere on the system  
(and multiple versions of Xcode can be installed at the same time).



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Re: [fpc-pascal] FPC_ARMEL system calls

[Luca Olivetti]

Henry Vermaak escribió:


native compiling won't make a difference, since you should link to the
same libraries.


Surely you're right, but native compiling wouldn't left me wondering if 
the problems are due to the bleeding edge compiler or to some quirk in 
the crossbinutils[*] or the libraries' paths


[*]e.g. why is the linker ignoring the parameters that fpc passes it 
when I specify -Xd and -Xr[**]


[**]in fact I could be doing it all wrong: I don't know how the linker 
actually works or which parameters it needs, I just like it that fpc 
automagically makes it work, at least when compiling natively.


Bye
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[fpc-pascal] I broke the FPC wiki search

[Mattias Gaertner]

I searched for 'optimize' and got a server error.

http://community.freepascal.org:1/search/search?q=optimize&t=Search

Server Error

There was a server error processing your request. We apologize.

Take me back where I was (before the error)

Database operation "0or1row" failed (exception NSDB, "Query was not a
statement returning rows.")

ERROR:  invalid byte sequence for encoding "UTF8": 0xc080
HINT:  This error can also happen if the byte sequence does not match
the encoding expected by the server, which is controlled by
"client_encoding".
...

Mattias
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Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: FPC 2.2.1 on Mac OS X

[Karl-Michael Schindler]

Am 5. Jun 2008 um 15:31 schrieb Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho:


Most people would like to avoid fink if possible, but maybe you have a
compeling reason to use it instead of the standard install method for
native applications


well, fink is a package manager and takes care of package dependencies  
for example fpc, gtk and such for lazarus and that's what i use it  
for :-)


From a project perspective there is a chance that fink serves as  
another channel of distribution.


Michael.
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[fpc-pascal]Binutils 2.18 cross win32-linux

[Wanderlan Santos dos Anjos]

Hello All,

I'm doing crosscompiling from Win32 to Linux. I use Binutils 2.15 but this
version gives error when cthreads unit is referred, probably because version
2.15 is too old.
Where can I download Binutils 2.18 cross?

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