Re: [fpc-pascal] Free Pascal widget set
On 8/18/06, Darius Blaszijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just a note, but the "auto-sizing" of components as depicted in the fig2. example is perfectly possible with Anchoring already. There's no need for a layout manager for that functionality. Darius Lazarus has much better anchoring support that Delphi, I have to admit. But "auto-sizing" is just one of the things the Layout Managers do. It also aligns the components, positions them, prevents them from being clipped (setting minimum allowed size) when the form is resized, etc... All this by just creating a layout manager and inserting widgets into it. Take a look at the attached screenshot. This is how most of the dialogs in Lazarus look to me. It is compiled with Gtk1. Most of the captions are clipped, group boxes don't align... It doesn't resize the controls when the dialog resizes. Those problems will never happen in fpGUI, no matter the language, resolution, dpi setting, etc. Yes, I have tried to recreate that exact screen using Lazarus with all its anchoring features and alignment features. I never got it to work 100% and it wasn't easy at all. Good news is, if you don't like the Box and Grid Layouts, you can always use the Fixed Layout, which then allows you to place component anywhere without auto-align and positioning. Regards, - Graeme - CompilerOptions.png Description: PNG image ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Widget Sets, Lazarus, Graeme Project, FPC Win32
Couple Questions Folks -- 1: Does Lazarus Work well in Win32 yet? 2: Is it difficult to make a GUI that compiles for Linux and Win32 with Lazarus? 3: To Do it do you need to compile the actual FPC Compiler with Lazarus extensions or is it just Units you add to your code? 3: If Lazarus is Win32 Capable, is Graeme's Widget Set work on Win32 also? Thank You in advance. I've tried Lazarus in the past, and didn't have much success. And frankly it seemed Linux Specific. I know there were developers porting it, but I never saw a working Win32 Demo. Bottom line is that I've been watching/waiting for Lazarus to Mature to the point to where you just download something, and can make a hello world dialog window in both Win32 and Linux and maybe toss some widgets on that dialog (Text Box, Combo Box, List, tree View, scroll bars, a data grid like MSFlexGrid, Labels, buttons, checkboxes, and maybe picture box or something). 4: Has Lazarus progressed to this level yet? Forgive my ignorance here, I have spent time trying to find out, and download stuff - but my efforts have been futile. Additionally, if it doesn't work on windows I get gun shy. Not because I'm a windows fan - I love Linux - but I TRY to write applications that compile on both. Thank you in Advance. Jason P Sage ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Free Pascal widget set
On 8/18/06, Graeme Geldenhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The fpGUI development team [ Me, myself and I ] is looking for developers willing to join this project. I have made the source available on my sever using SubVersion. The documentation will be online over the weekend. fpGUI is not yet ready for usage in a application, but is is rapidly getting there. My company has a deadline to get it at such a point before the end of the year. Nice nice nice. For more details about the project and the ever growing todo list, point your browser at: http://opensoft.homeip.net/fpgui/ Download the Source from: svn co svn://opensoft.homeip.net/fpgui/trunk fpGUI svn co svn://opensoft.homeip.net/fpgfx/trunk fpGFX I have problems building the thing. Executing make in the topdir of fpGFX is exiting with an error like 'Can't find unit GFXImpl...' . fpGUI also fails to build with an error like 'Can't find unit DOM...' Cheers, Krishna -- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Widget Sets, Lazarus, Graeme Project, FPC Win32
I've tried Lazarus in the past, and didn't have much success. And frankly it seemed Linux Specific. I know there were developers porting it, but I never saw a working Win32 Demo. Hello Jason, I wonder... where have you been lately? :D Of course Lazarus works great both on win32 and linux, and some other platforms as well. Yes, we must admit that still there are bugs here and there but they're (mostly) not a very critical bugs. I think Lazarus is "good enough" to build serious applications. Some people had built some good applications using it. Bottom line is that I've been watching/waiting for Lazarus to Mature to the point to where you just download something, and can make a hello world dialog window in both Win32 and Linux and maybe toss some widgets on that dialog (Text Box, Combo Box, List, tree View, scroll bars, a data grid like MSFlexGrid, Labels, buttons, checkboxes, and maybe picture box or something). If you demand a very complicated and complex component on Lazarus as we used to see on Delphi, maybe it's not happen yet. But, almost every (standard) common control that is required to build a working application are already there. Of course, it's not impossible to build your own complex and complicated components. Forgive my ignorance here, I have spent time trying to find out, and download stuff - but my efforts have been futile. Additionally, if it doesn't work on windows I get gun shy. Not because I'm a windows fan - I love Linux - but I TRY to write applications that compile on both. Have you tried the latest Lazarus? It's v.0.9.16 beta, if I'm not mistaken. I've been using it for a while, both on win32 (XP SP 2) and linux (SuSE 10.1). FYI... just to give you an example, I'm currently working on Database Modeller similar to FabForce's DBDesigner (http://www.fabforce.net/dbdesigner4) using Lazarus. Some basic features have been done and it works nicely on win32 and linux. Please visit the Lazarus' wiki to get more up-to-date informations. HTH. :) -Bee- has Bee.ography at: http://beeography.wordpress.com ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Widget Sets, Lazarus, Graeme Project, FPC Win32
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006, Jason P Sage wrote: > Couple Questions Folks > -- > 1: Does Lazarus Work well in Win32 yet? Of course. > > 2: Is it difficult to make a GUI that compiles for Linux and Win32 with > Lazarus? No. I do it often. > > 3: To Do it do you need to compile the actual FPC Compiler with Lazarus > extensions or is it just Units you add to your code? You just add units. > > 3: If Lazarus is Win32 Capable, is Graeme's Widget Set work on Win32 also? They have nothing to do with each other, although in time, Lazarus could in theory be made to work with Graeme's widget set. Personally, I think that is pushing it a bit, but then, many things are :-) > > Thank You in advance. > > I've tried Lazarus in the past, and didn't have much success. And frankly it > seemed Linux Specific. I know there were developers porting it, but I never > saw a working Win32 Demo. I work often in it on Win32. > > Bottom line is that I've been watching/waiting for Lazarus to Mature to the > point to where you just download something, and can make a hello world > dialog window in both Win32 and Linux and maybe toss some widgets on that > dialog (Text Box, Combo Box, List, tree View, scroll bars, a data grid like > MSFlexGrid, Labels, buttons, checkboxes, and maybe picture box or > something). > > 4: Has Lazarus progressed to this level yet? Yes, definitely. > > Forgive my ignorance here, I have spent time trying to find out, and > download stuff - but my efforts have been futile. Additionally, if it > doesn't work on windows I get gun shy. Not because I'm a windows fan - I > love Linux - but I TRY to write applications that compile on both. It should not be a problem to do this. I write articles for a German magazine, and I compiled sophisticated database applications on Windows and Linux, no code changes needed. Michael. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Free Pascal widget set
On 8/19/06, Krishna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have problems building the thing. Executing make in the topdir of fpGFX is exiting with an error like 'Can't find unit GFXImpl...' . fpGUI also fails to build with an error like 'Can't find unit DOM...' The Makefiles are still work-in-progress. I had them working a couple of weeks back, but might have broken them again. I develop using Lazarus and normally compile fpGUI and fgGFX using the packages (*.lpk files). DOM is part of FPC located in /fcl/xml/ GFXImpl is part of fpGFX and depending on the OS it is located in /src/linux/ or /src/win32/ I have to admit, I am very new to Makefiles, but will see what happens when I try and compile it here using them. Otherwise, if you use Lazarus, compile the *.lpk files. Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Widget Sets, Lazarus, Graeme Project, FPC Win32
1: Does Lazarus Work well in Win32 yet? Yes! For the most apps it works great. We develop using Lazarus on Windows and Linux. We did pickup some slight functionality differences between the two platforms, but nothing to major. Then again our app is not quite a standard looking app either. 2: Is it difficult to make a GUI that compiles for Linux and Win32 with Lazarus? Not at all. Just recompile the same app under each platform. 3: To Do it do you need to compile the actual FPC Compiler with Lazarus extensions or is it just Units you add to your code? You only need to add the units you require. 3: If Lazarus is Win32 Capable, is Graeme's Widget Set work on Win32 also? As Michael said. They have nothing to do with each other. I use Lazarus as my development IDE (editor), but that is where it ends. fpGUI does work under both Win32 and Linux though. I've tried Lazarus in the past, and didn't have much success. And frankly it seemed Linux Specific. I know there were developers porting it, but I never saw a working Win32 Demo. This must have been a long time ago. Lazarus works great under both platforms. I develop under Linux and my co-worker develops under Windows. Sometimes I have to admit, I think Lazarus looks better under Windows. Maybe that is due to my default GTK1 widget set style. (I hate the default look of Gtk1). Bottom line is that I've been watching/waiting for Lazarus to Mature to the point to where you just download something, and can make a hello world My client (Master Maths) have completely moved over to Free Pascal and Lazarus as a development platform for their flagship product. They used to use Delphi 7. FPC and Lazarus just gives them so much more flexibility. 4: Has Lazarus progressed to this level yet? For sure! Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Free Pascal widget set
On 8/19/06, Graeme Geldenhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8/19/06, Krishna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have problems building the thing. Executing make in the topdir of > fpGFX is exiting with an error like 'Can't find unit GFXImpl...' . > fpGUI also fails to build with an error like 'Can't find unit DOM...' The Makefiles are still work-in-progress. I had them working a couple of weeks back, but might have broken them again. I develop using Lazarus and normally compile fpGUI and fgGFX using the packages (*.lpk files). DOM is part of FPC located in /fcl/xml/ GFXImpl is part of fpGFX and depending on the OS it is located in /src/linux/ or /src/win32/ OK, now I've compiled fpGfx but the examples do not compile - helloworld's compilation exits with 'TSize... illegal qualifier etc.' -Krishna -- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Free Pascal widget set
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:24:33 +0200 "Graeme Geldenhuys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/18/06, Darius Blaszijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just a note, but the "auto-sizing" of components as depicted in the > > fig2. example is perfectly possible with Anchoring already. There's > > no need for a layout manager for that functionality. > > > > Darius > > Lazarus has much better anchoring support that Delphi, I have to > admit. But "auto-sizing" is just one of the things the Layout > Managers do. It also aligns the components, positions them, prevents > them from being clipped (setting minimum allowed size) when the form > is resized, etc... All this by just creating a layout manager and > inserting widgets into it. > > Take a look at the attached screenshot. This is how most of the > dialogs in Lazarus look to me. It is compiled with Gtk1. Most of the > captions are clipped, group boxes don't align... It doesn't resize > the controls when the dialog resizes. Right. This dialog is not using all LCL abilities. > Those problems will never > happen in fpGUI, no matter the language, resolution, dpi setting, etc. > Yes, I have tried to recreate that exact screen using Lazarus with > all its anchoring features and alignment features. I never got it to > work 100% and it wasn't easy at all. > > Good news is, if you don't like the Box and Grid Layouts, you can > always use the Fixed Layout, which then allows you to place component > anywhere without auto-align and positioning. yes, both approaches have their pros and cons. The rule based Box/Grid layout is never overlapping, but more work to setup and is more difficult to change. While the 'fixed' layout is quite the opposite: Easy to learn, easy to setup, easy to change and easily overlaps. The never overlapping feature is important for platform/theme independent software, while the other approach is more comfortable for the rapid application goal. The LCL has already Boxes and simple Grids. Complex Grids are missing. You can use the autosizing properties to prevent overlapping, but then you loose the ability to easily change the layout. I think, best would would be the 'fixed' layout editing plus automatic anti overlapping and some properties to fine tune the automatic. Delphi has Scaling, which is easy to implement, but does not work for different languages. It should more work like: If a control overlaps, then the overlapped controls must be moved and maybe the parent enlarged. Mattias ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Free Pascal widget set
OK, now I've compiled fpGfx but the examples do not compile - helloworld's compilation exits with 'TSize... illegal qualifier etc.' Fixed! Also added the missing Lazarus *.lpi files. Get a svn update... Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Re: Free Pascal widget set
The documentation will be online over the weekend. As promised, the documenation for fpGUI (not complete) is available on the website at: http://opensoft.homeip.net/fpgui/docs/ Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Re: Free Pascal widget set
Why not wxWidgets? Linux map to GTK - GTK 2.0 alread done Windows to Native widget set Mac to Cocoa Serious, I still dont undertande why not, is a licence issue? []s Cesar Romero http://blogs.liws.com.br/cesar As promised, the documenation for fpGUI (not complete) is available on the website at: http://opensoft.homeip.net/fpgui/docs/ ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Free Pascal widget set
On 8/19/06, Cesar Romero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why not wxWidgets? Linux map to GTK - GTK 2.0 alread done Windows to Native widget set Mac to Cocoa Serious, I still dont undertande why not, is a licence issue? Too many layers perhaps... pascal -> wx -> gtk2 -> xlib Also the need to setup message maps which are plain ugly. Object Pascal's bound method pointers rock! Cheers, Krishna -- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Re: Free Pascal widget set
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006, Cesar Romero wrote: > Why not wxWidgets? > Linux map to GTK - GTK 2.0 alread done > Windows to Native widget set > Mac to Cocoa > > Serious, I still dont undertande why not, is a licence issue? Because no-one has started it yet. And on Linux, I think it would be a very bad choice indeed: - LCL - Pascal import (wxWidgets is C++, and cannot be used directly) - wxWidgets - GTK - X11 That is 4 libraries on top of X ! Graeme's stuff is directly on top of X, which means 3 libraries less. - Faster. - Less resource usage. - No workarounds for different quircks of different libraries Michael. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] TCP Server
OK I was able to run the echo server example. Now I need to know how can I make a server that gets the commands sends by my client application and make the right actions with these commands. Can anyone help with this? PS: I'm trying to install the indy on windows xp without succes, if someone can help me I'll be thanks. []s FabrÃcio Andreas Berger escreveu: OK, I downloaded the synapse, but I don't know how to use it to make a TCP server. I need to do a server that listen on a specific port. After connected the client will send some commands to the server that will make some actions and return the results to the client. Basicly the client will send strings to the server and receive another strings. Check out the echo demo in synapse. It seem to be exactly what you want. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
