Re: Minutes of the Foundation Board, 13th March
Hi, > > > * Tile server options for Maps (Allan) > > ... > > > * VOTE: approve $300 a month to pay Mapbox - passed unanimously > > > * ACTION: Meg to inform Mapbox and the Maps team, cc'ing > > > Rosanna > > > and Neil > > >* We might want to revisit this when we set future budgets > > > > From outside, and setting aside the quality of the product, it is > > hard > > to asses whether this is a good decision or not. > > > > To do so, we would need to know what the recurrent income and > > expenses > > are. It could be monthly or yearly. If we receive more than we > > spend, > > then it might be a doable decision. Otherwise, we need think a > > better > > long term solution. > > The cost will be capped at $300, which falls within the budget for > the > current financial year. Ongoing expenses will be factored into our > routine financial planning, when we set the budget for each financial > year. Also, again, the question that pops up here is : What is the policy on tile server use for other applications than maps, being "offical" GNOME (Contacts, Photos, ...) or "related" such as Shotwell. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of the Foundation Board, 13th March
Hi, On Wed, 2018-03-14 at 10:00 +, Allan Day wrote: > * Moderation of public mailing lists (Carlos) > * There have been some complaints that mailing lists aren't being > properly moderated - primarily unpleasant/toxic emails being ignored What kind of moderation would have been considered to be "proper"? > * There's no escalation process - what can people do if they feel > they've been mistreated? On a public mailing list, you mean? I see multiple options. Depending on what it means for someone to *feel* mistreated. And then it's hard to argue about someone's feelings. >* Is it the moderator's role to police behaviour, or is it more of > an admin role? I see two separate roles there. One is the list owner or someone who feels responsible for having the mailing list in first place. And then I see the moderator to mostly reject SPAM. I have that latter role for a few dozen mailing lists and I couldn't do policing of people, because that would mean that I'd have to actively read all these lists. Neither do I think that it's a smart move to stop someone being stupid in public. Cheers, Tobi ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of the Foundation Board, 13th March
Hi, On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 3:17 PM, Jens Georg wrote: > Hi, > > > > > * Tile server options for Maps (Allan) > > > > ... > > > > * VOTE: approve $300 a month to pay Mapbox - passed unanimously > > > > * ACTION: Meg to inform Mapbox and the Maps team, cc'ing > > > > Rosanna > > > > and Neil > > > >* We might want to revisit this when we set future budgets > > > > > > From outside, and setting aside the quality of the product, it is > > > hard > > > to asses whether this is a good decision or not. > > > > > > To do so, we would need to know what the recurrent income and > > > expenses > > > are. It could be monthly or yearly. If we receive more than we > > > spend, > > > then it might be a doable decision. Otherwise, we need think a > > > better > > > long term solution. > > > > The cost will be capped at $300, which falls within the budget for > > the > > current financial year. Ongoing expenses will be factored into our > > routine financial planning, when we set the budget for each financial > > year. > > Also, again, the question that pops up here is : What is the policy on > tile server use for other applications than maps, being "offical" GNOME > (Contacts, Photos, ...) or "related" such as Shotwell. > The discussion we've been having with MapBox has been based on the assumption that we would continue to make roughly the same number of requests to their tile servers. We did discuss how MapBox would handle it if there were large increases due to increased distribution of Maps downstream. However, the Board did not discuss the potential impact of use of the tile servers by other applications within GNOME. If you have a specific request, can you please send a detailed email about it to the Board list so we can discuss it? Thanks, Meg > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
My Letter to Withdraw Membership from the GNOME Foundation
Greetings,
With the recent 3.28 release, I have now realized that GNOME has failed
continuously to be a project and desktop environment which puts its users and
communities before its own visions. Sure, GNOME could be one of the most
polished desktop environments on Linux, but it was almost certain that it is
one of the most inconsistent and impossible to use on an extended period.
GNOME 3.28 embodies this concerning matter especially well, and let me briefly
discuss this point with some examples:
- Desktop icons removed, why? Please do let me know if it's because being able
to put icons on a desktop violates GNOME's human interface guidelines, a11y,
... - or, is it because that GNOME has never been able to show desktop icons
under the Wayland session, which you guys are so enthusiastic to push forth?
- User Actions menu is now hidden when there's only one user or one session installed -
I'm now no longer able to log out or to have a shortcut to change my user settings. As
Florian Müllner pointed out in my recent report
(https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/122), it is believed that "most
people" won't get to use it anyways.
- The GNOME Usage App, which is already pushed out as a headline Application in the
announcement video. Guess what, it doesn't handle file permission error at all, creating
a folder in my home directory with inaccessible permission means that the
"Storage" tab will freeze - no console output either, until I checked
journalctl.
- ...
Sure, GNOME 3.28 remains streamline as ever, with a (heavy?) sprinkle of
issues. As someone who have participated in the localisation effort for a
couple of years now, I still feel a sense of pride and achievement when I see
my name displayed in the About dialogues. However, with the issues of 3.28 and
GNOME's own problems (in my opinion), it is difficult for me not to bring up
another problem I have had with GNOME's zh_CN L10n team...
The team has great and responsible contributors, but they were rarely respected for their work.
There are still applications with some simple typos, which fixes have been offered almost a year
ago, that are not acknowledged by the committers ("Tweaks" is still spelled
"Teaks" in the zh_CN translation for GNOME Tweaks).
With my commitments with WineHQ and other projects utilising Transifex (and
numerous other collaboration platforms), it is fair to say that GNOME has a
relatively low chance of committing low quality translation - though it is
equally likely that existing low quality translations could not be removed
effectively, with this strict, hierarchical, and malfunctioning system.
I had high hopes when I joined the Foundation, and surely has hoped that I
could do some good to the community. Surely I haven't been doing anything
meaningful just yet, but I don't think I could respect this community enough
for me to deserve this seat in the Foundation.
And thus this is my letter of withdrawal for my membership, and to announce an
end to any of my future localisation contribution - unless there's a typo or
obviously misleading translation.
I would like to wish the GNOME Community and Project good luck, and to express
my gratitude for allowing me to improve my localisation proficiency over the
years. But please, do take my words as a warning - or at least read it, even if
you find it offensive or untruthful.
Good bye, and have a nice day.
Best Regards,
Mingcong Bai
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My Letter to Withdraw Membership from the GNOME Foundation
Hi again,First of all I would like to apologise for my abrupt statement, I have realised the unnecessary toxicity of the letter. I probably should have consulted my mentor - and with Tong Hui reaching out to me, I have realised some of my ignorance regarding the functioning of a community.The first thought I had when I wrote this letter, was that I wanted to let the community - especially this family of contributors and experienced organisers - be aware of the issues that users, distro developers, and even our own contributors are facing. I meant no harm to any of the individuals, but the community does have some troubling circumstances that should be changed in a timely fashion.I have reached an agreement with Tong Hui, my mentor, and himself being a Foundation member - that I would like to *retract* my former statement regarding my withdrawal and the termination of my activities in the L10n team. I do apologize for the drama.However, I do hold on to the words regarding the issues. And I would still hope that this has made the Foundation aware of these issues - though as pointed out by Tong Hui, there should have been more links and references, and I shall provide them if anyone would like to inquire my claims.The plan forward... I would try and apply to become a committer for the zh_CN team, and going hands-on to rectify the lack of efficiency that our team has been facing for years.Thank you again, for the opportunities given, and again - please accept my apologies for the negativity I have brought to this list earlier.Best Regards,Mingcong Bai___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
