Re: [Evolution] google oauth OOB flow error - ideas?
On Tue, 2022-11-01 at 19:38 +0100, Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list wrote: > I meant something like doing the initial OAuth2 authorization in a > newer version that supports it (for example installed via Flatpak), > and then copying authorization tokens in some way to the old version > (in my version they are kept in the GNOME keyring, at least in > Ubuntu). Hi, yes, that's basically the way to do it, but how precisely achieve the outcome is too complex for an average user (I'd need to write a tool for it myself, to be able to do it). The thing you might want to know: when you open for example Seahorse and will see the credentials saved in the keyring, some will be named like "Evolution Data Source - Google[u...@example.com]". Those contain the OAuth2 information, which can be moved between the machines/apps. Not that I suggest it, it's only possible. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 08:19 +0800, Luigi Cantoni via evolution-list wrote: > Many people have contributed their ideas as to how to move forward so > I > hope there is enough now suggested so that we can do that. > > Can I ask the Moderators and those that contribute a lot to this list > to decide where we migrate to before they shut us down. > I for one don't what to be left hanging and will happily "follow the > leaders". I've contacted the other moderators to see if we can reach a consensus on this, but have yet to hear back from them. We'll certainly inform the list if we have something to say. At the moment, my impression is that everyone is waiting for someone else to take a decision, and time is passing by. Clearly the moderators can't simply dictate what's going to happen. As things stand, it appears to be inevitable that the current list will be discontinued and that Evolution support will be provided on Discourse, no matter what any of us think. Therefore the temptation to set up a new list independent of gnome.org has to be weighed against the probable fragmentation of the community, which would not be ideal. However it's not out of the question. One thing I can say is that I would not take on the responsibility of managing a new list on my own. Moderating the current list is not a particularly onerous task because much of the infrastructure is provided by Gnome and we interact with it using a Mailman web page. Also, it's shared among three people. However anyone who proposes a new list should be willing to take on the task of administering it. A Mailman system would probably be easiest, but it would need to be set up and populated i.e. users would have to go through the individual registration system since as Milan pointed out we probably can't simply import the current membership automatically. Cheers poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On 2/11/22 19:53, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 08:19 +0800, Luigi Cantoni via evolution-list wrote: Many people have contributed their ideas as to how to move forward so I hope there is enough now suggested so that we can do that. Can I ask the Moderators and those that contribute a lot to this list to decide where we migrate to before they shut us down. I for one don't what to be left hanging and will happily "follow the leaders". I've contacted the other moderators to see if we can reach a consensus on this, but have yet to hear back from them. We'll certainly inform the list if we have something to say. At the moment, my impression is that everyone is waiting for someone else to take a decision, and time is passing by. Clearly the moderators can't simply dictate what's going to happen. As things stand, it appears to be inevitable that the current list will be discontinued and that Evolution support will be provided on Discourse, no matter what any of us think. Therefore the temptation to set up a new list independent of gnome.org has to be weighed against the probable fragmentation of the community, which would not be ideal. However it's not out of the question. One thing I can say is that I would not take on the responsibility of managing a new list on my own. Moderating the current list is not a particularly onerous task because much of the infrastructure is provided by Gnome and we interact with it using a Mailman web page. Also, it's shared among three people. However anyone who proposes a new list should be willing to take on the task of administering it. This already been taken care of. If people choose to disregard what has been done for them, and simply keep discussing, and not doing anything about it, then that is their choice. I will not again mention on this list, that a mailing list has been set up, by someone willing to administer it, to which, so far, only about thirty people have subscribed. It is clear that the vast majority simply do not want a mailing list. And, with that, I will not mention it again on this list. The new list that was set up, has been, now, mentioned enough, by me, on this list. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:23 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > It is clear that the vast majority simply do not want a mailing list. Hi, well, I believe that's a wrong assumption. You might also consider that if "random people create random list" is not the right thing to do. The community should work together, not to be split, because some random folks think they do the best for the community even they do not wait for the community decision. Okay, yes, there is not much time, that's true, but still. As had been said by someone, there can be made also a Discourse post about where the "real" new mailing list is handled. That's the reason why I didn't act on my own and did not create the list myself, on a place I would prefer. I want to be sure the people are willing to move that way first. And there are supposed to be multiple moderators/admins, as poc said. I'm not the admin at the moment and I'd prefer not to be. I've no idea how long I'll stay with the project and my free time is kinda limited, as for everybody else. poc, there had been multiple people offering help even with the infrastructure. In case the current list admins do not respond, say till the 6th (this Sunday), would it make sense to engage those folks, if they are still willing to co-admin the list, wherever it is? There should be a voice from them too, of course. I suppose to make the list alive will take some time, hence I chose the 6th, to have at least a week for it to set up. Bret, what about you? Would you be willing to co-admin such list? I think there had been at least two other folks mentioned here, but I lost their names, I'm sorry. If you read this, please respond. Just my personal opinion and thoughts. Thanks and bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 10:33 AM Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > > On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:23 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > It is clear that the vast majority simply do not want a mailing list. > > Hi, > well, I believe that's a wrong assumption. You might also consider that > if "random people create random list" is not the right thing to do. The > community should work together, not to be split, because some random > folks think they do the best for the community even they do not wait > for the community decision. Okay, yes, there is not much time, that's > true, but still. As had been said by someone, there can be made also a > Discourse post about where the "real" new mailing list is handled. > > That's the reason why I didn't act on my own and did not create the > list myself, on a place I would prefer. I want to be sure the people > are willing to move that way first. And there are supposed to be > multiple moderators/admins, as poc said. I'm not the admin at the > moment and I'd prefer not to be. I've no idea how long I'll stay with > the project and my free time is kinda limited, as for everybody else. > > poc, there had been multiple people offering help even with the > infrastructure. In case the current list admins do not respond, say > till the 6th (this Sunday), would it make sense to engage those folks, > if they are still willing to co-admin the list, wherever it is? There > should be a voice from them too, of course. I suppose to make the list > alive will take some time, hence I chose the 6th, to have at least a > week for it to set up. > > Bret, what about you? Would you be willing to co-admin such list? > > I think there had been at least two other folks mentioned here, but I > lost their names, I'm sorry. If you read this, please respond. > > Just my personal opinion and thoughts. > > Thanks and bye, > Milan I know I said I would not chime in again regarding the mailing list, but I also subscribe to one other list "network-manager" that is/was housed on gnome infrastructure. Today I received a very simple email from it that stated it was being re-homed to a freedesktop.org list and a simple reply to that email (with nothing else) subscribed me to it. I think that should be possible here as well, no? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:23 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > One thing I can say is that I would not take on the responsibility > > of > > managing a new list on my own. Moderating the current list is not a > > particularly onerous task because much of the infrastructure is > > provided by Gnome and we interact with it using a Mailman web page. > > Also, it's shared among three people. However anyone who proposes a > > new > > list should be willing to take on the task of administering it. > > This already been taken care of. It hasn't been "taken care of". You have indeed set up a list, but others have also mentioned alternatives. What I would hope is that there be some agreement to avoid fracturing the community more than is necessary. > If people choose to disregard what has been done for them, and simply > keep discussing, and not doing anything about it, then that is their > choice. > > I will not again mention on this list, that a mailing list has been > set > up, by someone willing to administer it, to which, so far, only about > thirty people have subscribed. Not mentioning it is hardly the best way to get sign-ups. I confess that with the multiple discussions around this in the past couple of weeks I'd actually forgotten about it (I've also been ill). No doubt some others are in the same position. > It is clear that the vast majority simply do not want a mailing list. I disagree. I think the majority is waiting to see what the majority wants. This is not uncommon in communities where most people are fairly passive participants. I also that your own first post on this list appears to be dated October 23. > And, with that, I will not mention it again on this list. > > The new list that was set up, has been, now, mentioned enough, by me, > on this list. Do you envisage some decision process for any proposed policy changes, or do you intend to be Benevolent Dictator For Life? What about moderation? Is that going to be only you? I'd also question the phrase "the gnomes" in your list's description page. Perhaps a more diplomatic phrasing would avoid needless sniping. It may well turn out that your list is the most frictionless option, and you do have "first mover" advantage, but I think more people should chip in here. All the best. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 16:27 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:23 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > It is clear that the vast majority simply do not want a mailing > > list. > > Hi, > well, I believe that's a wrong assumption. You might also consider > that > if "random people create random list" is not the right thing to do. > The > community should work together, not to be split, because some random > folks think they do the best for the community even they do not wait > for the community decision. Okay, yes, there is not much time, > that's > true, but still. As had been said by someone, there can be made also > a > Discourse post about where the "real" new mailing list is handled. > > That's the reason why I didn't act on my own and did not create the > list myself, on a place I would prefer. I want to be sure the people > are willing to move that way first. And there are supposed to be > multiple moderators/admins, as poc said. I'm not the admin at the > moment and I'd prefer not to be. I've no idea how long I'll stay with > the project and my free time is kinda limited, as for everybody else. > > poc, there had been multiple people offering help even with the > infrastructure. In case the current list admins do not respond, say > till the 6th (this Sunday), would it make sense to engage those > folks, > if they are still willing to co-admin the list, wherever it is? There > should be a voice from them too, of course. I suppose to make the > list > alive will take some time, hence I chose the 6th, to have at least a > week for it to set up. > > Bret, what about you? Would you be willing to co-admin such list? > > I think there had been at least two other folks mentioned here, but I > lost their names, I'm sorry. If you read this, please respond. > > Just my personal opinion and thoughts. I basically agree with all the above. If there is general agreement, I'm willing to continue as a co-moderator, but equally willing to pass that on to someone else. In case it's not sufficiently clear: we are moderators, not administrators. We have *no power* over the list other than defining certain policies (e.g. no digests), dealing with spam, and managing membership. We have nothing to do with the hosting platform or the Mailman implementation. IOW a decision to set up an alternate list doesn't rely on us in any way. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 10:45 -0500, Greg Oliver via evolution-list wrote: > I know I said I would not chime in again regarding the mailing list, > but I also subscribe to one other list "network-manager" that is/was > housed on gnome infrastructure. Today I received a very simple email > from it that stated it was being re-homed to a freedesktop.org list > and a simple reply to that email (with nothing else) subscribed me to > it. > > I think that should be possible here as well, no? Not sure how that works. Was that email addressed directly to you, or was it a general post to the list? poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
+1 from me for this option if it is possible to do with that list as well. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 16:18 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > I think that should be possible here as well, no? > > Not sure how that works. Was that email addressed directly to you, or > was it a general post to the list? I am also on the network-manager list. What happened was that someone arranged for a new list to be created on freedesktop.org (which uses mailmain) and then an administrator for the Gnome list got all the addresses currently subscribed, and then they were added to the new list using bulk subscription in the mailman interface, with a requested approval. When that happens mailman will email each user with a standard mailman subscription email (reply or click a link to subscribe) and once they do the deed, they are subscribed to the new list. If they don't do anything, they are not subscribed. In order for something like that to happen here we'd need (a) someone to create such a list, and (b) someone with admin privileges to the current list to get all the subscriber emails so they can be bulk- added. I know that moderators don't have such privileges (I run some mailman lists myself as an admin, with some moderators helping). Alternatively of course we can announce the new list (as I said before it doesn't HAVE to be done before this list closes: it can be announced on Discourse) and let people subscribe on their own. Note that I personally have not had good experiences with groups.io lists (as I described earlier) and I'm not really interested in subscribing to more lists on that service, and so I have not done so. But that's just me and of course if that's where others want to go then they should surely do so. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
Dnia 2.11.2022 o godz. 12:36:54 Paul Smith pisze: > to create such a list, and (b) someone with admin privileges to the > current list to get all the subscriber emails so they can be bulk- > added. I know that moderators don't have such privileges (I run some > mailman lists myself as an admin, with some moderators helping). It depends on the settings of the particular list. You can configure the list so that even any subscriber has access to the subscribers list. Of course, this list can be quite possibly configured so that only admin has access to that list. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On 2/11/22 23:27, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:23 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: It is clear that the vast majority simply do not want a mailing list. Hi, well, I believe that's a wrong assumption. You might also consider that if "random people create random list" is not the right thing to do. The community should work together, not to be split, because some random folks think they do the best for the community even they do not wait for the community decision. Okay, yes, there is not much time, that's true, but still. As had been said by someone, there can be made also a Discourse post about where the "real" new mailing list is handled. That's the reason why I didn't act on my own and did not create the list myself, on a place I would prefer. I want to be sure the people are willing to move that way first. And there are supposed to be multiple moderators/admins, as poc said. I'm not the admin at the moment and I'd prefer not to be. I've no idea how long I'll stay with the project and my free time is kinda limited, as for everybody else. poc, there had been multiple people offering help even with the infrastructure. In case the current list admins do not respond, say till the 6th (this Sunday), would it make sense to engage those folks, if they are still willing to co-admin the list, wherever it is? There should be a voice from them too, of course. I suppose to make the list alive will take some time, hence I chose the 6th, to have at least a week for it to set up. Bret, what about you? Would you be willing to co-admin such list? I think there had been at least two other folks mentioned here, but I lost their names, I'm sorry. If you read this, please respond. Just my personal opinion and thoughts. Thanks and bye, Milan At the time, and, in the absence of any alternative, and, at the request of one of the subscribers, I set up the list at groups.io, wherein I am the list administrator. I did this to provide a list for subscribers, in, at that time, the absence of any alternative, other than the forum that was mentioned, to provide for people who simply wanted a mailing list. I had set up the list at groups.io for users of the gimp, and, offered to set up the list for evolution users. I also set up a third list for a gnome application, but, on that third list, from memory, less than ten people have subscribed. I did not, at any time, seek to divide users in any act of sabotage - I had that done to me, when, some years ago, I was involved in the migration from Rootsweb. What then happened, was that an area of genealogy, that had been quite active, in mailing lists, was gratuitously sabotaged by some people. I simply acted to provide a mailing list for evolution users, to replace this list, in the absence of any alternative mailing list having been proposed, and, at that time, the deadline was 31 October. As is shown on the web page for the groups.io list, I set that up, on 24 October (in the time of the applicable timezone for where the list is hosted). So, that list has existed for about ten days, and now shows as having 31 subscribers (including me), indicating that less than ten per cent of the subscribers of this list, have subscribed to it. Some suggested that the list at groups.io, be used solely as a stepping stone, until an alternative to it, would be established - I had set it up, with the intention of it being permanent. But, it appears that the vast majority of subscribers to this list, do not want anything to do with it. So, I have done my bit for the subscribers of this list, and, they have shown what they think of that. Less than ten percent, support it. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Top panel and Bottom panel are out of sync in Evolution Mail
I am running on Fedora F36 the following packages: evolution 3.44.4 (rpm 3.44.4-2.f36) evolution-data-server (rpm 3.44.4-1.f36) evolution_data_server_langpacks (rpm 3.44.4-1.f36) evolution-langpacks (rpm 3.44.4-2.f36) The mail server is on the same host as the client: postfix (rpm 2:3.6.4-1.f36) dovecot (rpm 1:2.3.19.1-3.f36) spamass-milter-postfix (rpm 0.4.0-21.f36) clamav (rpm 0.103.7-1.f36) clamav-data (rpm 0.103.7-1.f36) clamav-lib (rpm 0.103.7-1.f36) clamav-update (rpm 0.103.7-1.f36) clamd (rpm 0.103.7-1.f36) amavisd-milter (rpm 1.7.2-2.f36) sendmail-milter (rpm 8.17.1-5.fc36) spamass-milter (rpm 0.4.0-21.f36) My upper panel is configured to show: From Subject Date My lower panel is configured to show the message contents. History: I had a working evolution setup with about 10 years of history working under F36. I was doing rsync backups to another system. I suffered a power surge that damaged my local hard drive. I formatted the local hard drive and installed a fresh copy of Fedora 36. Uaing rsync, I restored my .Maildir directory. In many of my mail folders, the "From", "Subject", and "Date" will show values from an old email but the email content pane shows a "From", "Subject", "Date" from a more recent email. Is there anything I can do to bring the data shown in these two panes back into sync? PS: In some folders all of the emails seem to be correctly synced. In others, they are out of sync. John ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 17:26 +0100, Torsten Krah via evolution-list wrote: > +1 from me for this option if it is possible to do with that list as > well. What option? Please quote some context when replying, otherwise it's not clear what you mean. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 18:02 +0100, Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list wrote: > Dnia 2.11.2022 o godz. 12:36:54 Paul Smith pisze: > > to create such a list, and (b) someone with admin privileges to the > > current list to get all the subscriber emails so they can be bulk- > > added. I know that moderators don't have such privileges (I run > > some > > mailman lists myself as an admin, with some moderators helping). > > It depends on the settings of the particular list. You can configure > the > list so that even any subscriber has access to the subscribers list. > > Of course, this list can be quite possibly configured so that only > admin has > access to that list. The moderators can see all the subscribers. However that data is not available to us as a simple text file, CSV file or database, but as a set of web pages, ordered alphabetically. There are no facilities for dumping the entire list, or for uploading a list of subscribers. There may be such things in Mailman3, but currently we have Mailman2 and Gnome isn't going to change it. So sending individual messages to each member means doing it manually 850 or so times or writing some web-scraping software to get the info. No thanks. Clearly the transition to Discourse will use some automated procedure, but that's under the control of Gnome admins, not us. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 12:36 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > Alternatively of course we can announce the new list (as I said > before > it doesn't HAVE to be done before this list closes: it can be > announced > on Discourse) and let people subscribe on their own. If that becomes the case then hopefully subscribe info is posted lots of other places as well, otherwise it makes discourse basically the gatekeeper for the list. That would not be ideal at all and would make the email list redundant. Gabe ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 11:53 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > One thing I can say is that I would not take on the responsibility of > managing a new list on my own. Moderating the current list is not a > particularly onerous task because much of the infrastructure is > provided by Gnome and we interact with it using a Mailman web page. > Also, it's shared among three people. However anyone who proposes a > new > list should be willing to take on the task of administering it. A > Mailman system would probably be easiest, but it would need to be set > up and populated i.e. users would have to go through the individual > registration system since as Milan pointed out we probably can't > simply > import the current membership automatically. > > Cheers > > poc I'd be willing to admin or mod a new list. I'm reading up about those roles and mailman in general. I'd also be willing to help out any other way I can. Gabe ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 16:27 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > I think there had been at least two other folks mentioned here, but I > lost their names, I'm sorry. If you read this, please respond. I would mod or admin a new list. I don't have experience but I'm willing to learn. Gabe ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 16:27 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > > I think there had been at least two other folks mentioned here, but I > lost their names, I'm sorry. If you read this, please respond. > I offered, and still do offer, to host mail.gnome.org. That is to say, have the Gnome DNS administrator change the DNS for mail.gnome.org to point to my existing infrastructure (I can provide them all the details like IP addrs, DNS TXT/SPF/_dmarc records, etc) and allow me to rsync the /var/lib/mailman folder that is currently on restaurant.gnome.org. Nobody would have to change mailing lists, everything would work like it does today (with minimal downtime due to DNS TTL, which could always be shortened). Gnome would retain control of the DNS settings, I would quietly and passively run the Mailman system as I already do for others. Someone put me in touch with whoever is root on resturant.g.o, and whoever is root on ns-master.g.o. -Jim P. (aka jim...@domainmail.org) ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:20 -0400, Jim Popovitch via evolution-list wrote: > On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 16:27 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list > wrote: > > > > I think there had been at least two other folks mentioned here, but > > I > > lost their names, I'm sorry. If you read this, please respond. > > > > I offered, and still do offer, to host mail.gnome.org. That is to > say, > have the Gnome DNS administrator change the DNS for mail.gnome.org to > point to my existing infrastructure (I can provide them all the > details > like IP addrs, DNS TXT/SPF/_dmarc records, etc) and allow me to rsync > the /var/lib/mailman folder that is currently on > restaurant.gnome.org. > Nobody would have to change mailing lists, everything would work like > it > does today (with minimal downtime due to DNS TTL, which could always > be > shortened). Gnome would retain control of the DNS settings, I would > quietly and passively run the Mailman system as I already do for > others. > > Someone put me in touch with whoever is root on resturant.g.o, and > whoever is root on ns-master.g.o. > > -Jim P. (aka jim...@domainmail.org) > > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list >Someone put me in touch with whoever is root on resturant.g.o, and > whoever is root on ns-master.g.o. +1 for this option. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 20:23 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On 2/11/22 19:53, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 08:19 +0800, Luigi Cantoni via evolution-list > > wrote: > > > Many people have contributed their ideas as to how to move forward so > > > I > > > hope there is enough now suggested so that we can do that. > > > > > > Can I ask the Moderators and those that contribute a lot to this list > > > to decide where we migrate to before they shut us down. > > > I for one don't what to be left hanging and will happily "follow the > > > leaders". > > > > I've contacted the other moderators to see if we can reach a consensus > > on this, but have yet to hear back from them. We'll certainly inform > > the list if we have something to say. > > > > At the moment, my impression is that everyone is waiting for someone > > else to take a decision, and time is passing by. Clearly the moderators > > can't simply dictate what's going to happen. As things stand, it > > appears to be inevitable that the current list will be discontinued and > > that Evolution support will be provided on Discourse, no matter what > > any of us think. Therefore the temptation to set up a new list > > independent of gnome.org has to be weighed against the probable > > fragmentation of the community, which would not be ideal. However it's > > not out of the question. > > > > One thing I can say is that I would not take on the responsibility of > > managing a new list on my own. Moderating the current list is not a > > particularly onerous task because much of the infrastructure is > > provided by Gnome and we interact with it using a Mailman web page. > > Also, it's shared among three people. However anyone who proposes a new > > list should be willing to take on the task of administering it. > > This already been taken care of. > > If people choose to disregard what has been done for them, and simply > keep discussing, and not doing anything about it, then that is their choice. > > I will not again mention on this list, that a mailing list has been set > up, by someone willing to administer it, to which, so far, only about > thirty people have subscribed. Hi, this is the mentioned list that already exists: https://groups.io/g/evolution-users It is limited to 100 subscribers. Here we much likely could get a mailing list without a user limit: https://support.riseup.net/en/ticket/3227QJ76OfCW7Ci7 Everybody can open the ticket at riseup.net. I could do, but I'm not a moderator or admin of evolution-list@gnome.org . Do the moderators wish that I ask to open a mailing list? The list's archives seem to view HTML instead of plain text messages: https://lists.riseup.net/www/ The MC mailing list migrated to OSU OSL. They got all the data from gnome.org, so as a subscriber I had to do nothing, excepted of using m...@lists.midnight-commander.org instead of m...@gnome.org . I suspect OSU OSL is: https://osuosl.org/ Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] What do I do now? V2
On Wed, 2022-11-02 at 16:27 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > poc, there had been multiple people offering help even with the > infrastructure. In case the current list admins do not respond, say > till the 6th (this Sunday), would it make sense to engage those folks, > if they are still willing to co-admin the list, wherever it is? There > should be a voice from them too, of course. I suppose to make the list > alive will take some time, hence I chose the 6th, to have at least a > week for it to set up. Hi, I'm willing to help. I'm an experienced FLOSS user, but I have got zero experiences with mailing lists. I'm a former Assembler programmer, I don't have any python knowledge. IOW I'm a power user, not a coder. My free time is quite limited. Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
