Re: [Evolution] [Gimp-user] [evolution-users] What do I do now?
Am 25.10.22 um 11:13 schrieb Ralf Mardorf via gimp-user-list: an important part of the app communities are the app developers, the admins and moderators of the current lists at gnome.org, hence a first step to get closer to a solution are statements from those people. For the gimp-user list, the number of messages created in the "list discontinuation" threads (roughly 100 by now) is fast approaching the number of messages this list has had in total before that for the whole year (about 110). Personally, I think that Discourse will be more than able to handle this amount of messaging, will likely even lead to an increase in volume, and be able to reach more people in general. -- Regards, Michael ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
On Wed, 2022-10-26 at 07:34 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 22:23 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Can you ask them? Probably better not to have several people asking > > the same questions. > > Hi, > I can ask David, the infradead.org person, though I thought I'll keep > the real paper work to somebody more knowledgeable than me. > > > We'd also need to know if they support migrating the > > current list membership. > > I won't do that. Let the people decide which sites hold their mail > addresses. Some may not like being moved to a different site without > their explicit agreement. People should also choose their mailing > list password on their own. Fair enough. > > I think it would help if they could also host the archive, simply > > to > > avoid having it split between two sites, before and after the > > change. > > While it makes perfect sense for archive searching, I won't do that > too. When you open > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/ and > go to the bottom, then the Download section shows sizes for > respective > months since year 2000. Those are gzip compressed .mbox files. For > example September 2022 shows 511KB compressed and when I decompress > it, > it's 947K. I did not count all the years, but I'd rather not use so > much space on the new site immediately after moving there. That won't > be good. I think that would be up to the site admins to decide. My personal opinion is that the Freedesktop site looks more promising, purely in terms of the number of lists they host, but I'm fine with whichever one makes the transition easier. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 13:09 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > They do, an example set of headers from one of the replies I got > > recently: > > > > Reply-To: GNOME Discourse > > <03e7e14d32e53136f623f8ab8e9...@discourse.gnome.org> > > Message-ID: > > > > References: > > The threading information needs some serious work. The References: > header doesn't match up with the message being replied to, in fact > the > only consistent reference is to the > topic/xx...@discourse.gnome.org ID. > Consequently there's no real threading in the mail from Discourse, > everything is at the same level underneath the first mail - and it > doesn't take much for not even that to work. > > > And I still can't find out how to get an email copy of my own posts. > Is > that even possible? I mentioned your objections in a post to the Fedora Users list (which uses Mailman3), and this was a reply from one of its users: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/us...@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/JUIEBVLICRHOEW6IQ34QS4445N6CNNVN/ poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
On Wed, 2022-10-26 at 11:13 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > My personal opinion is that the Freedesktop site looks more > promising, purely in terms of the number of lists they host Hi, I kinda like it too. Who's gonna ask there for the conditions of adding a new mailing list there, please? As you said, it would be a pita to have multiple people asking the same question(s) for the same list there. I'm sure I do not want to maintain the list, I do not want to be an admin of it, but I can help to gather the information. By the way, the page to create a list is accessible. Whether it lets me create a new list without asking the freedesktop.org folks I do not know, I wasn't brave enough to try to create the list, though I'd rather not create the list behind their back. I do not know how these things work. Partly related, would the new list be named "evolution-users" or "evolution-list"? The "evolution-hackers" is going to be shut down, there's not much to be written there these days. I think "evolution-users" (as suggested by someone else here) is good, it may even help to distinguish it from a Darwinism mailing list ;) Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
On Wed, 2022-10-26 at 11:24 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2022-10-21 at 13:09 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > > They do, an example set of headers from one of the replies I got > > > recently: > > > > > > Reply-To: GNOME Discourse > > > <03e7e14d32e53136f623f8ab8e9...@discourse.gnome.org> > > > Message-ID: > > > > > > References: > > > > The threading information needs some serious work. The References: > > header doesn't match up with the message being replied to, in fact > > the > > only consistent reference is to the > > topic/xx...@discourse.gnome.org ID. > > Consequently there's no real threading in the mail from Discourse, > > everything is at the same level underneath the first mail - and it > > doesn't take much for not even that to work. > > > > > > And I still can't find out how to get an email copy of my own posts. > > Is > > that even possible? > > I mentioned your objections in a post to the Fedora Users list (which > uses Mailman3), and this was a reply from one of its users: > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/us...@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/JUIEBVLICRHOEW6IQ34QS4445N6CNNVN/ > That's interesting. It looks like Gnome are using an old version of Discourse then. The comments about categories and topics is interesting. I asked if it were possible to create sub-categories in the Applications category and the answer was a complete and resounding NO. It seems to me that they think users/we/contributors should be interested in the whole of the Gnome ecosystem not just one bit of it. This is a Gnome Discourse issue, not a Discourse issue. Similarly with sporadic emails - that's a Gnome infrastructure thing. Plain text emails going into the system should be just that. I send them as plain text not as markdown. If I wanted to give them some form of extra formatting I would use HTML. Can't text just be interpreted as text. Or it should at least be a bit more intelligent about it - if there are markdown elements, interpret it as markdown, otherwise it's plain text. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [Gimp-user] [evolution-users] What do I do now?
That's an interesting point. Why do you say > Personally, I think that Discourse will > be able to reach more people in general. ? Is this an important point in your decision? You, presumably, aren't implying that MailMan has a limitation? Your point about the volume in the Gimp list could also be said of this list here. Mark ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [Gimp-user] [evolution-users] What do I do now?
On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 12:06 +0200, Michael Schumacher via evolution- list wrote: > Personally, I think that Discourse will be more than able to handle > this > amount of messaging, will likely even lead to an increase in volume, > and > be able to reach more people in general. Not sure how you can make that assumption when so many here (including myself) will never join discourse. Personally, I think this forced migration is more about increasing user count on discourse rather than having anything to do with benefitting this (or any other) list. I can't help but notice that Discourse just got some major, Series A funding last August. Investors expect growth. I can't help but think there might be a connection to gnome's decision. >From Wikipedia: "In August 2021, Civilized Discourse Construction Kit announced it had secured US$20 million in Series A Investment by Pace Capital and First Round Capital." I like email, it's peer to peer technology. Discourse is not peer to peer. I'll continue seeking and contributing my tiny little bits to projects that offer everyone freedom and a chance to be a peer. How did everyone like this late notice that we got 10 days before the list is to be shut down, and the uncaring 'suck it up' attitude of the messenger? Will that kind of behavior increase or decrease with the use of discourse, as opposed to email? Authoritarians make me chafe. The lack of respect evident in gnome's treatment of this issue makes me even more unlikely to migrate where they say migrate. How much harder would it be to recreate discourse than it is to create another mailing list? Vendor lockin anyone? Gabe ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
On Wed, 2022-10-26 at 12:29 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > On Wed, 2022-10-26 at 11:13 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > My personal opinion is that the Freedesktop site looks more > > promising, purely in terms of the number of lists they host > > Hi, > I kinda like it too. Who's gonna ask there for the conditions of > adding a new mailing list there, please? As you said, it would be a > pita to have multiple people asking the same question(s) for the same > list there. I'm sure I do not want to maintain the list, I do not > want to be an admin of it, but I can help to gather the information. > > By the way, the page to create a list is accessible. Whether it lets > me create a new list without asking the freedesktop.org folks I do > not know, I wasn't brave enough to try to create the list, though I'd > rather not create the list behind their back. I do not know how these > things work. I guess it would make sense for one of the moderators to do it, unless someone has a better idea. Note that none of us is strictly an "admin", we just moderate posts when required and have some control over user access and other aspects of Mailman configuration. I'll consult with the other two guys to see what they think. > Partly related, would the new list be named "evolution-users" or > "evolution-list"? The "evolution-hackers" is going to be shut down, > there's not much to be written there these days. > I think "evolution-users" (as suggested by someone else here) is > good, it may even help to distinguish it from a Darwinism mailing > list ;) I'd say "evolution-users" would make sense, on the assumption that we don't expect the archives to be merged. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
Hi, I’ve received several questions during the past days which possibly makes sense to summarize in a single topic [1] which I can then reference. Hopefully this specific post will help anyone looking for the same set of answers as well. If any additional common question arises I’ll make sure to add it to this same topic in Discourse. Thanks and please let us know if you have any questions around Discourse or your onboarding process! [1] https://discourse.gnome.org/t/common-questions-re-mailman-to-discourse/11841 On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 1:09 PM Andrea Veri wrote: > Hi, > > As we have been communicating during the past few months GNOME's Mailman > platform is being decommissioned (python2 deprecation, major burden in > managing lists spam). The deadline is currently set to the end of October > 2022. Mailing list subscribers are invited to migrate to GNOME's Discourse > instance [1]. Neil made sure [2] to create a set of tags you can re-use to > initiate a new topic in the new platform, if a tag is missing please reach > out to me directly. > > Jehan (from the GIMP Team) kindly provided some instructions you can > follow [3] in order to safely migrate your reading workflow to Discourse. > The new platform supports several login methods including your GNOME > Account and other major OpenID providers. > > After the deadline of the end of October Mailman archives will remain > alive in read only mode for posterity. If the mailing list was used behind > an alias, please let me know so we can re-do the same setup but on > Discourse instead. > > Thanks, > > P.S All the l10n lists are still pending code changes in damned-lies, the > deadline to decommission those lists may slip by a week or two depending > how soon those changes will be made available in DL codebase > > [1] https://discourse.gnome.org > [2] > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2022-September/msg00018.html > [3] > https://discourse.gnome.org/t/welcome-to-gimp-forum-on-gnome-discourse/11534/5 > > -- > Cheers, > Andrea > > Principal Systems Engineer at Red Hat, > GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, > Former GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, > GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman > > Homepage: https://www.dragonsreach.it > -- Cheers, Andrea Principal Systems Engineer at Red Hat, GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, Former GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman Homepage: https://www.dragonsreach.it ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 18:26 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list > wrote: > > > > I suggested the two places where other similar/related projects to > > the > > Evolution already have their mailing lists. It might make sense to > > be > > nearby to them, from my point of view. Neither of those projects > > are > > developed under the GNOME umbrella, though. > > > I would like to sign up for whatever list Milan will be looking at and available on to help people. (No need to say why!) Milan, could you please let us all know where you will be when you have decided? George Reeke ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
On Wed, 2022-10-26 at 16:06 +0200, George N. Reeke wrote: > could you please let us all know where you will be when you have > decided? :)) Hi, I'll go where the "official" way will lead. Let's wait for the result. Poc and the other list admins will talk together and then a decision might be made. I do not want to push the decision onto them, it's just that they are much better than me with all the required mailing list knowledge and experience and all that stuff. I suppose the really last mail here might be something like "users can follow the community at ." whatever the "" will be. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
On Wed, 2022-10-26 at 12:29 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > "evolution-users" Hi, if possible the old moderators should become the new admins/moderators, hence one of them should get in contact with freedesktop.org or foo.bar. If additional help is needed, maybe somebody from this list or I can help. Just ask! Don't forget to ask freedesktop.org or foo.bar, what they will use to replace Mailman 2 ;). Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
