Re: [Evolution] Move mail to where?
On Fri, 2020-01-17 at 17:21 +0100, George N. Reeke wrote: > is the next step to file a bug/enhancement > request and ask that when the dialog opens, only the last folder > and any folders above it in the tree should be open? Hi, this changed behavior is a result of an enhancement request to always expand all folders (to not derive folder expand state from the current view), in order to be able to access any folder while using type-to-search. It's because collapsed folders cannot be accessed with type-to-search. There's always a chance a user makes a mistake, like here, selecting an incorrect folder, but it's something the software cannot address in 100% cases. I'm not sure I understood your work flow properly. Say your folder structure is something like this: On This Computer Inbox Archive Mail 2010 Mail 2011 Mail 2012 Mail 2013 ... Other Account OtherMails ... When you open the Copy/Move message to, all the structure is expanded and in order to select "Mail 2012" you type "mail", which will move you probably to the "Mail 2010". Either you can continue typing to specify the folder name precisely, or you can press arrow up/down, to cycle between folders with the typed string in their name. That can move you down to OtherMails in the Other Account, skipping all folders not containing the "mail" text in their name. It's (sometimes) quicker than grabbing the mouse and use it to select a different folder. Do you use that, or rather not? Similarly, if you know a folder near the other folder you cannot recall the name for, then you can type the name, cycle to it with arrows, then press Escape key, which will close the "type-to-search" panel, after which you can use arrows to move up/down from the selected folder. I find this more useful when opening a file (which gtk3 currently doesn't support, only gtk2 supports it). I believe there are ways to speed up productivity with current behavior. I also understand the "habit-factor" (which is a strong player here, on my side). Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] CalDAV is readonly
On Tue, 2020-01-14 at 16:16 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > By the way, having a reference in a form of a bug report filled at > [2] is appreciated. Hi, just for the record, Peter filled: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution-data-server/issues/184 and I pushed the fix for 3.35.90+ and 3.34.4+. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] [Q] Using an external editor
Hellow! I'm new to evolution. My evolution version is 3.28.5-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 in Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. I need external editor in composing. I did discover good helper at: https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-composer-external-editor.html.en By the way there is no "Using an external editor" in plugins on my evolution. Any comments welcome!!! Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee -- ^고맙습니다 _地平天成_ 감사합니다_^))// ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [Q] Using an external editor
Hi, On Mon, 2020-01-20 at 19:58 +0900, 황병희 wrote: > I'm new to evolution. My evolution version is 3.28.5-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 > in Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. I need external editor in composing. > > I did discover good helper at: > https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/stable/mail-composer-external-editor.html.en > > By the way there is no "Using an external editor" in plugins on my > evolution. Any comments welcome!!! Evolution by default does not disable any of its plugins. If your distribution decided to either disable any plugins, or decided to ship plugins in a separate package (like "evolution-plugins"), then you will have to contact your distribution so they could adjust the Evolution user documentation which they ship in their distribution to be correct for their distribution. Cheers, andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [Q] Using an external editor
Hellow Andre^^^ Andre Klapper writes: > ... > to ship plugins in a separate package (like "evolution-plugins"), then Solved problem, i choose "gedit" as external editor, thanks^^^ Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee -- ^고맙습니다 _地平天成_ 감사합니다_^))// ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Move mail to where?
> Here is my workflow. Apparently yours is different. It would be > nice if evolution would allow variations. Sometimes the answer is a simpler workflow. Perhaps COPY the mail to the archive folder [via filter] - leaving you free to simply DELETE the message from your INBOX once you've dealt- with/read the message. No moving of messages required. > current year. All I am asking for is that when I select a named > folder by typing a few letters, by default the dialog should > always pick the one for the current year when there are duplicates, > unless I scroll to and click on a different one. Putting on my developer hat: that may seem intuitive, but it's not. That is hyper-specific use-case behavior. What does "current" mean, for example. > I think this might be a reasonable option for other people who might > move emails to places in some tree that fits their work style, This flexibility is really the role of the sophisticated filter system. -- Executive Committee Chair Michigan Association of Railroad Passengers 537 Shirley St NE Grand Rapids, MI 49503-1754 Phone: 616.581.8010 E-mail: awill...@whitemice.org GPG#D95ED383 ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Move mail to where?
On Mon, 2020-01-20 at 11:05 +0100, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > On Fri, 2020-01-17 at 17:21 +0100, George N. Reeke wrote: > > is the next step to file a bug/enhancement > > request and ask that when the dialog opens, only the last folder > > and any folders above it in the tree should be open? > > Hi, > this changed behavior is a result of an enhancement request to always > expand all folders (to not derive folder expand state from the > current > view), in order to be able to access any folder while using > type-to-search. It's because collapsed folders cannot be accessed > with > type-to-search. >---rest trimmed--- Dear Milan et al., I think you don't understand: I am using "type to search" as you are calling it, not to select a folder, but to select a mailbox (not sure that is the right word--I mean the lowest level in the copy/move menu where I want to store emails from one sender) inside a folder. In the past this has been much faster than mouse-scrolling. Because I have mailboxes with the same name in many folders in the folder tree, I want type-to-search to look in only one folder (how chosen is a separate question). Now you tell me for the first time the current behavior is not a bug, as I thought, but an enhancement some people wanted. So I think I need to file a new enhancement request that asks for a preference item to open for "type-to-search" either all folders or just one folder specified in the preference item. There is one other way that would let me go back to "type-to-search" and that would be if the folders are always searched in some known order, like alphabetically. Then I could get what I want by renaming my folders, for example "mailA2020", "mailB2019" etc. Would that always open "mailA2020" first for the search and return the first box found in that folder that matched the typed string, if any? [I will reply separately to the posting from Adam Tauno Williams] Thanks for your always thoughtful reply, George Reeke ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Move mail to where?
On Mon, 2020-01-20 at 09:45 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > Sometimes the answer is a simpler workflow. > > Perhaps COPY the mail to the archive folder [via filter] - leaving > you > free to simply DELETE the message from your INBOX once you've dealt- > with/read the message. No moving of messages required. First let me be clear, I am not using "type-to-search" to pick a folder, I am using it to pick a named mailbox inside a folder in a tree. There are boxes in different branches of the tree that have the same name--names of people I correspond with. I don't want to have to specify which folder every time. Re your suggestion: I already use filters to deal with mails I don't need to see before dealing with them. We are talking about mails I want to look at in the preview pane and decide whether to delete at once, answer and file, or leave for later. I like your idea--I hadn't thought of it that way--but I think then if I want to delete the mail I have to do it twice, once in the inbox and once where it got copied. [And yes, I don't blindly keep everything in my archives that I delete.] > > > current year. All I am asking for is that when I select a named > > folder by typing a few letters, by default the dialog should > > always pick the one for the current year when there are duplicates, > > unless I scroll to and click on a different one. > > Putting on my developer hat: that may seem intuitive, but it's not. > That is hyper-specific use-case behavior. What does "current" mean, > for example. > I stated in my earlier posting that I understand this ambiguity and various solutions could work, like the way evolution worked before this "enhancement" where the type-to-search always looked in the folder last opened (by clicking on it in the left-hand menu or storing in a mailbox in it as far as I could tell). I wrote just now in a reply to a separate posting by Milan than I think the best would be to have a preference item: either look in all folders as in the current version, or look in one folder specified in the preference item (for me, that would the one for the current year). To go to a different folder, one would click on it in the dialog before starting to type a mailbox name. George Reeke ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Move mail to where?
On Mon, 2020-01-20 at 16:35 +, George N. Reeke wrote: > I think the best would be to have a preference item: either look in > all folders as in the current version, or look in one folder > specified in the preference item Evolution already offers several related functionality implementations which have been pointed out in this thread. Personally I don't think that adding more weird corner-case preferences help, plus they create code base maintenance costs for years to come. Also see https://ometer.com/preferences.html andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Move mail to where?
On Mon, 2020-01-20 at 16:20 +, George N. Reeke wrote: > I am using "type to search" as you are > calling it, not to select a folder, but to select a mailbox (not sure > that is the right word--I mean the lowest level in the copy/move menu > where I want to store emails from one sender) inside a folder. This is non-standard terminology. If I understand you correctly, what you call a mailbox is simply a folder. Folders can be hierarchical. 'Mailbox' in the context of mail system means essentially an account where you receive mail. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Move mail to where?
On Mon, 2020-01-20 at 17:20 +0100, George N. Reeke wrote: > There is one other way that would let me go back to "type-to-search" > and that would be if the folders are always searched in some known > order, like alphabetically. Then I could get what I want by renaming > my folders, for example "mailA2020", "mailB2019" etc. Would that > always open "mailA2020" first for the search and return the first > box found in that folder that matched the typed string, if any? Hi, the type-to-search is fully handled by gtk+. If I'm not mistaken, then it searches from the currently selected row downwards. I briefly looked into the code, just in case I'd forget of some option or anything like that, and I saw that there is no option for the "expand-all", it's always expanding it. There is an option to avoid expansion of archive folders. Neither of it is what you want, right? You basically want an option to always open the copy/move dialog with certain folder preselected. With that, you'll navigate whenever you want, but this navigation will not change the folder to have the copy/move dialog opened with the next time, right? Like you'd select the top archive folder and navigate always from it. I know you basically want to "revert" (by added option) the previous change, but I'm wondering whether it's really the best thing to do. Thinking that you use it as archiving, I'd rather change how archiving itself works. Currently, when you right-click the folder in the folder tree and pick Properties, there's an Archive tab. You can set there how the Message->Archive (Ctrl+Alt+A) should work. There are three options: 1) move to default archive folder (per-account option); 2) move to specified folder; 3) delete messages. Maybe this is a pure nonsense, but would the 4th option "always pick folder where to archive", which would disable the "auto-cleanup option" and which would always open the folder selector in the archive folder set for the account, do the trick? I look on it as a similarity when saving files in a web browser, I prefer to always pick where to save the file, but I also prefer to have preselected the directory I used the last time (which you do not seem to like). This is more complicated than tweaking the copy/move dialog, code-wise speaking too, but I think it's cleaner solution. Maybe not. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Move mail to where?
On Mon, 2020-01-20 at 18:09 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: > On Mon, 2020-01-20 at 16:35 +, George N. Reeke wrote: > > I think the best would be to have a preference item: either look in > > all folders as in the current version, or look in one folder > > specified in the preference item > > Evolution already offers several related functionality > implementations > which have been pointed out in this thread. > Personally I don't think that adding more weird corner-case > preferences > help, plus they create code base maintenance costs for years to come. > Also see > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ometer.com_preferences.html&d=DwICAg&c=JeTkUgVztGMmhKYjxsy2rfoWYibK1YmxXez1G3oNStg&r=jya52EHQYs5GJJ8uBNZZeZ3OFSM3QRdLnT55J0n0u6Q&m=2vyUNYJuUhfGnt0-3u0k1jlai08FcrnqvnVXmgRWhik&s=kLYKiFOrIuu7bRKGRbn5BNlQabcr0V9umeiBfJe2a00&e= > > > andre > -- > Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net > > OK, I guess I am weird to have folders with duplicate names at lower levels of the mail tree. I will stop explaining myself further and just use the mouse instead of the keyboard search. George ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Move mail to where?
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Re: [Evolution] Move mail to where?
On Mon, 2020-01-20 at 17:20 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2020-01-20 at 16:20 +, George N. Reeke wrote: > > I am using "type to search" as you are > > calling it, not to select a folder, but to select a mailbox (not > > sure > > that is the right word--I mean the lowest level in the copy/move > > menu > > where I want to store emails from one sender) inside a folder. > > This is non-standard terminology. If I understand you correctly, what > you call a mailbox is simply a folder. Folders can be hierarchical. > 'Mailbox' in the context of mail system means essentially an account > where you receive mail. > > poc > Sorry, I always called it a folder too, I just switched terminology to be clear I wasn't trying to use type-search to find an upper-level folder. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] yahoo OAuth2
On 1/15/20 06:48, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: On Tue, 2020-01-14 at 09:42 -0500, Eugene via evolution-list wrote: Please consider following Thunderbird and allowing yahoo OAuth2 to avoid sudden access denied messages and avoid a need to have "less secure applications" toggle enabled. Hi, it's not about considering to use it, just the opposite, I'd really like to offer OAuth2 for Yahoo! servers, but Yahoo! offers only these scopes for new applications (as of today) [1]: | Select private user data APIs that your application needs to access. | | [ ] Contacts | [ ] Fantasy Sports | [ ] Oath Ad Platforms | [ ] Profiles (Social Directory) | [ ] Relationships (Social Directory) There's no mail, there's no calendar, only contacts would be usable for Evolution(-data-server). Thank you for a detailed, as usual, analysis. I followed your steps and found no solutions either. In addition, my personal interpretation, based on [1] and [2], that non OAuth2 IMAP access will be permanently disabled from March 2nd, 2020 thus making Evolution Mail completely unusable with Yahoo. One of answers [3] mentions that Yahoo must explicitly enable Mail API: In order for you to see the mail checkboxes in the list of potential scopes, Yahoo have to white-list your developer account. I could not find any documentation about this, or instructions for how to ask for it, so I can't back this up with any documentation. Regards, Eugene. [1] https://login.yahoo.com/account/security [2] https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/SLN27791.html [3] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/36058534/how-can-yahoo-mail-be-accessed-by-imap-using-oauth-or-oauth2-authentication ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Move mail to where?
On 2020-01-20 at 18:56 +, George N. Reeke wrote: > OK, I guess I am weird to have folders with duplicate names at lower > levels of the mail tree. I will stop explaining myself further and > just use the mouse instead of the keyboard search. > George I do use a similar layout as the one you describe. Classification is a very lax subject. The are lots of fine ways to do it. I would consider weird the people that file important emails on the Trash (yes, they do), not yours. In case my workflow happens to be useful, what I generally do (for common cases) is to set up filters to move to each final folder. The important part is that the filters are configured not to be applied automatically. In order to archive an email (for which there is a rule set), I only need to press Ctrl+Y, to manually run filters on the selected message(s). Filters that should be applied automatically are setup at the server instead. I do sometimes find the filters a bit limited. For instance if you file per year, it would be useful to have a way to extract the current year (%Y, `date +%Y`...) or even the one of the email. Some cases would be better represented with nested ifs. Or you could even want to file all messages from john inside a subfolder of "john" named as the first word that appears on his subject (assuming that subfolder exists), Ultimately, I think one would need a pluggable filter system, so that a custom program could return the action to be taken with the mail. Best regards ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Move mail to where?
On Tue, 2020-01-21 at 03:50 +0100, Ángel wrote: > I do sometimes find the filters a bit limited. For instance if you > file per year, it would be useful to have a way to extract the > current year (%Y, `date +%Y`...) or even the one of the email. Some > cases would be better represented with nested ifs. Or you could even > want to file all messages from john inside a subfolder of "john" > named as the firstword that appears on his subject (assuming that > subfolder exists) Hi, you are right, filters are limited. What you describe above are two parts, one is the condition, the other is the action. The condition is limited by the UI. I cannot imagine a reasonable UI for nested 'if'-s, 'and', 'or' and 'not'. Still, the condition "Free form expression" supports all of 'and', 'or', 'not', even mixed together with brackets (thus just like nested 'if'-s), which makes it quite powerful thing. The downside is that the user needs to understand the syntax and how to use it. That can be a limitation for regular users. With respect of actions, especially picking destination folder for copy/move operation on-the-fly based on the message being filtered, that's not possible. I agree, it could be an interesting feature. I do not know how such thing would look in the UI, because there might be an expression, which can be similarly complicated as the condition, but also with an output other than true/false. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
