Re: [Evolution] Evolution Does NOT Save Username & Password !

[Pete Biggs]

On Mon, 2016-01-11 at 23:02 -0700, Mahmoud Ramadan wrote:
> Any Updates or ideas how to solve this issue ?
> 
Yes, Patrick already told you, you need to ensure that Gnome keyring is
running as that is what Evolution uses to store credentials.  Exactly
how you do that is distro/desktop dependent and although it is not
really an Evolution issue, it has been discussed at length on this list
in the past so please check the archives.  Beyond that the best place
to ask is the forums for your particular desktop or distro.

And can I remind you that top posting and HTML emails are frowned on
for this mailing list.

P.
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution Does NOT Save Username & Password !

[Adam Tauno Williams]

Quoting Mahmoud Ramadan :

Any Updates or ideas how to solve this issue ?


Did you look into the very first suggestion made?

Evolution does not, as in never, stores the password.  It relies upon  
the GNOME Keyring system to cache credentials.


Is the keyring active on your desktop?

You should see the keyring deamon running:

awilliam@linux-86wr:~> ps ax | grep key
 2581 ?SLl0:01 /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --daemonize --login

It is even possible you do not have the gnome-keyring package installed.

The contents of your keyring, in GNOME, can be managed using Seahorse.



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Re: [Evolution] Evolution Does NOT Save Username & Password !

[Jan Claeys]

Adam Tauno Williams schreef op di 12-01-2016 om 05:49 [-0500]:
> Evolution does not, as in never, stores the password.  It relies upon
>   
> the GNOME Keyring system to cache credentials.
> 
> Is the keyring active on your desktop?
> 
> You should see the keyring deamon running:
> 
> awilliam@linux-86wr:~> ps ax | grep key
>   2581 ?SLl0:01 /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --daemonize
> --login
> 
> It is even possible you do not have the gnome-keyring package
> installed.

There is also a MATE keyring, which is a fork of the GNOME one, so it
will probably work too (unless the GNOME keyring API changed).


-- 
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Re: [Evolution] Problems after upgrade to 3.18

[Milan Crha]

On Mon, 2016-01-11 at 21:38 +, Oliver Elphick wrote:
> 1. On starting evolution, I had various messages from different
> elements saying "the name 1.479 was not provided by any service
> files".

Hi,
using self-compiled evolution stack is not that simple, also because
some core system parts depend on the evolution-data-server (if you
compile evolution of some version you always compile also evolution-
data-server of the same version). You are supposed to make sure that
D-Bus will run your built versions of the D-Bus services; or run them
manually before you run the evolution, but it's tricky too. The error
itself looks like the factory process crashed for some reason (I'm only
guessing).

> 2. Contacts on two gmail accounts show nothing, although there are
> contacts there, but the calendar on those accounts is partly working.

See 4).

> 3. Calendar events already defined on the Gmail accounts can be read,
> but on trying to create a new event I get "Cannot create calendar
> object: Authentication Required"

Might be due to 1).

> 4. On starting to write this email, I got the message: 
> "Failed to connect address book 'o...@lfix.co.uk : Contacts'
> The requested resource was not found:
> https://developers.google.com/accounts/docs/AuthForInstalledApps";.

This is known, discussed here and in bugzilla several times. Search for
part of the error message, like the end of the given URL by the Google
server and you'll get the answer.

> Should I wipe the evolution configuration and start again?

No, it won't help. Running self-compiled Evolution is not trivial. Your
move from 3.10.x to 3.18.x also means update of internal storage data,
which the former version doesn't understand (so you can downgrade, but
for example the addressbooks, if already migrated to the new version,
will fail to open). This list also contains steps how to create a vCard
file from the contacts.db file and import it to any Evolution. Search
the archives for "sqlite" and "contacts.db" and you might get some
steps.

That said, compiling Evolution (with its dependencies) is not trivial.
Make it properly running within the whole system is another challenge.
I mean, while it's doable, it's usually a problem for regular users,
due to other system dependencies.

The best option usually is to use 3rd-party repositories where other
people did the job and built what was needed, or change to a
distribution which provides more recent version.
Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Ordering in the Show pop-up menu

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2016-01-11 at 19:25 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-12-16 at 17:22 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >  
> > I'm sure other people have different opinions about this, but I
> > thought I'd just throw it out there.
> 
>   Hi,
> would it make it better to have all those "static" options at the top
> and the list of labels at the very bottom of the combo box?

That could work.

> I think it's not a big deal for the users, especially when it'll make
> things easier for them, once they "learn" the changed order. The
> labels might be as in a sub-level as well, to not have too long
> initial drop down.

Fine by me but I don't really use labels much so better ask people who
do use them what they think about it.

> Neither of these would always help with the scrolling option, the
> decision whether to scroll or not is made by the gtk+ itself, it's
> completely out of the evolution hands.

Understood.

Another solution would be to have keyboard shortcuts for the common
cases, such as All, Last 5 days, Important and Unread. The challenge of
course would be to come up with suitable shortcuts. Even a toggle that
turns New on and off would be a big improvement.

> A feature request in the GNOME bugzilla against evolution will help
> to not forget of this.

I'll do that. I have a few other ideas I'll write up as well.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Ordering in the Show pop-up menu

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2016-01-12 at 12:12 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > A feature request in the GNOME bugzilla against evolution will help
> > to not forget of this.
> 
> I'll do that. I have a few other ideas I'll write up as well.

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760520

poc
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[Evolution] Ambiguity between "highlighted" and "selected"

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760521

On switching to a message folder, the previously selected message in
that folder is highlighted, however the message is not in fact selected
until the user clicks on it, so that hitting an arrow key will jump to
the next folder in lexical order, not to the next message. However
hitting Reply *will* bring up the composer on the highlighted message.

The situation changes once the user clicks on the message because now
it is really and truly selected, but there is no visual change to
indicate this.

The potential confusion should be resolved either by making a visual
distinction or by defining the highlighted message to be selected
whenever it is highlighted.

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Re: [Evolution] Ambiguity between "highlighted" and "selected"

[Milan Crha]

On Tue, 2016-01-12 at 12:49 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On switching to a message folder, the previously selected message in
> that folder is highlighted, however the message is not in fact
> selected until the user clicks on it, so that hitting an arrow key
> will jump to the next folder in lexical order, not to the next
> message.

Hi,
I suppose you selected the folder by mouse. As such, the folder tree on
the left is focused, thus it gets the keyboard input...

> However hitting Reply *will* bring up the composer on the highlighted
> message.

... unless the keystroke is defined as a short cut for some action,
then the action is executed instead the keystroke being used by the
focused widget.

> The situation changes once the user clicks on the message because now
> it is really and truly selected, but there is no visual change to
> indicate this.

That might be due to the GtkTreeView, which, intentionally, doesn't
change background of the selected item in it to some "grey" from "blue"
when the widget loses focus, which for example the message list does
(the actual colors depend on the current theme). There is a bug report
against gtk+ and GtkTreeView for this, resolved as that's on purpose.

Bye,
Milan
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Re: [Evolution] Problems after upgrade to 3.18

[Oliver Elphick]

On Tue, 2016-01-12 at 12:32 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-01-11 at 21:38 +, Oliver Elphick wrote:
> > 1. On starting evolution, I had various messages from different
> > elements saying "the name 1.479 was not provided by any service
> > files".
> 
>   Hi,
> using self-compiled evolution stack is not that simple, also because
> some core system parts depend on the evolution-data-server (if you
> compile evolution of some version you always compile also evolution-
> data-server of the same version). 

I did also build evolution-data-server.  There is also a version of it
installed by the distribution, and removing it would cause a whole lot
of stuff to be removed and replaced by a KDE system, so I haven't done
that yet, but I presume the new build will use the new build e-d-s too.

> You are supposed to make sure that
> D-Bus will run your built versions of the D-Bus services; or run them
> manually before you run the evolution,

Is there any information around on how to do that?

>  but it's tricky too. The error
> itself looks like the factory process crashed for some reason (I'm
> only
> guessing).

How can I find out?  

> > 2. Contacts on two gmail accounts show nothing, although there are
> > contacts there, but the calendar on those accounts is partly
> > working.
> 
> See 4).
> 
> > 3. Calendar events already defined on the Gmail accounts can be
> > read,
> > but on trying to create a new event I get "Cannot create calendar
> > object: Authentication Required"
> 
> Might be due to 1).
> 
> > 4. On starting to write this email, I got the message: 
> > "Failed to connect address book 'o...@lfix.co.uk : Contacts'
> > The requested resource was not found:
> > https://developers.google.com/accounts/docs/AuthForInstalledApps";.
> 
> This is known, discussed here and in bugzilla several times. Search
> for
> part of the error message, like the end of the given URL by the
> Google
> server and you'll get the answer.

Searched for AuthForInstalledApps on Gnome bugzilla under evolution and
found one item, which was not relevant. The phrase 'failed to connect
address book' turned up nothing at all.

That Google page says that ClientLogin  is now no longer available.  It
says one should migrate to OAuth 2.0. I had hoped that using 3.18 of
evolution would do that.

> 
> > Should I wipe the evolution configuration and start again?
> 
> No, it won't help. Running self-compiled Evolution is not trivial.
> Your
> move from 3.10.x to 3.18.x also means update of internal storage
> data,
> which the former version doesn't understand (so you can downgrade,
> but
> for example the addressbooks, if already migrated to the new version,
> will fail to open). 

They didn't work under 3.10 either, which was why I am trying to
upgrade. (Incompatibility with Google, as above.)

> This list also contains steps how to create a vCard
> file from the contacts.db file and import it to any Evolution. Search
> the archives for "sqlite" and "contacts.db" and you might get some
> steps.
> 
> That said, compiling Evolution (with its dependencies) is not
> trivial.
> Make it properly running within the whole system is another
> challenge.
> I mean, while it's doable, it's usually a problem for regular users,
> due to other system dependencies.
> 
> The best option usually is to use 3rd-party repositories where other
> people did the job and built what was needed, or change to a
> distribution which provides more recent version.
> 

It might have to come to that, with all its potential for upsetting
other stuff that works!  Do you have a recommendation?


-- 
Oliver Elphick
Lincolnshire, England

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Re: [Evolution] Problems after upgrade to 3.18

[Pete Biggs]

> 
> That Google page says that ClientLogin  is now no longer available.  It
> says one should migrate to OAuth 2.0. I had hoped that using 3.18 of
> evolution would do that.

It does, but via Gnome-online-Accounts.  Provision the account using
GoA, and Gmail will work - but not sure if using GoA from a Gnome 3.10
install will work with a self compiled Evolution 3.18!

Have a look in the list archives for around June/July/August last year
for all the messages complaining about accessing Google Contacts - that
was when Google turned off the old authentication mechanism.

Alternatively you could use IMAP to access gmail.

P.
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Re: [Evolution] Problems after upgrade to 3.18

[Milan Crha]

On Tue, 2016-01-12 at 13:44 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> It does, but via Gnome-online-Accounts.  Provision the account using
> GoA, and Gmail will work - but not sure if using GoA from a Gnome
> 3.10 install will work with a self compiled Evolution 3.18!

Hi,
that's right, use GNOME Online Accounts (GOA, can be accessed through
gnome-control-center binary, even when you are not using GNOME desktop)
and create a Google account there. Evolution-data-server will pick it
and will add configured sources to the evolution.

Oliver, if your main issue was with the Google Contacts not working,
then you can safely use 3.10 with this too (run `make uninstall` in the
opposite order than you run `make install` in your self-compiled
projects to remove them from /usr/local).

I do not have any exact pointers for your other questions,
unfortunately, I do not use your distribution. I'm sorry.

The OAuth 2.0 directly from the evolution will work since 3.20, as it's
part of the current development version only. Do not try to compile and
run the development version, much easier will be to use GOA as
suggested by Pete. Wait for regular updates in your distribution, or
update to more recent distribution version, which may provide more
recent evolution versions as well. Of course, you won't get other bug
fixes and enhancements when using 3.10, but it'll still be better than
break your whole system.
Bye,
Milan
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Re: [Evolution] Ambiguity between "highlighted" and "selected"

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2016-01-12 at 14:20 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Tue, 2016-01-12 at 12:49 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On switching to a message folder, the previously selected message
> > in
> > that folder is highlighted, however the message is not in fact
> > selected until the user clicks on it, so that hitting an arrow key
> > will jump to the next folder in lexical order, not to the next
> > message.
> 
>   Hi,
> I suppose you selected the folder by mouse. As such, the folder tree
> on
> the left is focused, thus it gets the keyboard input...
> 
> > However hitting Reply *will* bring up the composer on the
> > highlighted
> > message.
> 
> ... unless the keystroke is defined as a short cut for some action,
> then the action is executed instead the keystroke being used by the
> focused widget.

Makes sense. I never select folders using the keyboard, always with the
mouse. However even if I select the folder with the keyboard, the rest
of the behaviour is the same, i.e. the message is not selected until I
click on it. I'm struggling to understand how this is supposed to work
if it's not as I described.

> > The situation changes once the user clicks on the message because
> > now
> > it is really and truly selected, but there is no visual change to
> > indicate this.
> 
> That might be due to the GtkTreeView, which, intentionally, doesn't
> change background of the selected item in it to some "grey" from
> "blue"
> when the widget loses focus, which for example the message list does
> (the actual colors depend on the current theme). There is a bug
> report
> against gtk+ and GtkTreeView for this, resolved as that's on purpose.

Does resolved mean "this is on purpose and so won't change", or "it has
been fixed and the behaviour will change"?

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Problems after upgrade to 3.18

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2016-01-12 at 13:44 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> Alternatively you could use IMAP to access gmail.

I use IMAP with Gmail, but I still need GOA for authentication.

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Re: [Evolution] Problems after upgrade to 3.18

[Oliver Elphick]

On Tue, 2016-01-12 at 16:52 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
> On Tue, 2016-01-12 at 13:44 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> > It does, but via Gnome-online-Accounts.  Provision the account
> > using
> > GoA, and Gmail will work - but not sure if using GoA from a Gnome
> > 3.10 install will work with a self compiled Evolution 3.18!
> 
>   Hi,
> that's right, use GNOME Online Accounts (GOA, can be accessed through
> gnome-control-center binary, even when you are not using GNOME
> desktop)
> and create a Google account there. Evolution-data-server will pick it
> and will add configured sources to the evolution.
> 


Linux Mint's gnome-control-center only has 3 items, which don't include
Online Accounts.  

I think I have had enough of fighting the distribution, so I'm now
looking at Gentoo.

-- 
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Lincolnshire, England

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[Evolution] Switching to browser?

[Leonard Evens]

When reading my mail in evolution, I often click on a web link in the
message,  A tab is opened in my running browser in another window.  The
system switches me to the browser, but on another machine, I have
managed to avoid that switch.  I would like to set things up the  same
way on this machine but I can't figure out how to do it.  As things now
stand, I have to switch back to evolution each time to finish reading my
mail.

Can anyone help me? 

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Re: [Evolution] Switching to browser?

[Andre Klapper]

On Tue, 2016-01-12 at 15:00 -0600, Leonard Evens wrote:
> When reading my mail in evolution, I often click on a web link in the
> message,  A tab is opened in my running browser in another window.  The
> system switches me to the browser, but on another machine, I have
> managed to avoid that switch.  I would like to set things up the  same
> way on this machine but I can't figure out how to do it.  As things now
> stand, I have to switch back to evolution each time to finish reading my
> mail.
> 
> Can anyone help me? 

This behavior depends on your window manager and desktop environment.

Cheers,
andre
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Re: [Evolution] Switching to browser?

[George Reeke]

On Tue, 2016-01-12 at 15:00 -0600, Leonard Evens wrote:
> When reading my mail in evolution, I often click on a web link in the
> message,  A tab is opened in my running browser in another window.  The
> system switches me to the browser, but on another machine, I have
> managed to avoid that switch.  I would like to set things up the  same
> way on this machine but I can't figure out how to do it.  As things now
> stand, I have to switch back to evolution each time to finish reading my
> mail.
> 
> Can anyone help me? 

In RedHat Linux, gnome window system, in the System->Preferences menu,
there is an item Windows and in that popup dialog there is a check box
"Select windows when the mouse moves over them".  If you check that,
then when you move the mouse from the browser back to evolution,
you will be in evolution with the browser still running.
George Reeke

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