Re: [Evolution] GPG Auto download pub keys
On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 05:59 +, Justin Musgrove wrote: > On Sat, 2015-05-09 at 19:11 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Sat, 09 May 2015 17:36:17 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > I totally understand what you are saying. > > > > And I absolutely agree with your argument. However, a web of trust > > has > > got it's weak points too. > > > > I "automatically" trust the key package of the distro I'm using, > > when > > there's a release of new keys for signing packages, because the > > chain of > > trusted keys at least is halfway comprehensible. But automatically > > accepting each key needed to check the signature of an email is > > risky. > > A user should care about the keys and be aware about the accepted > > keys. A mouse click isn't much work. > > Excellent points! I don't mind the auto downloading with the > exception > of not blindingly setting the trust value. That way I can manually > validate and set the trust. Btw. I'm mistaken. It's not just a mouse click, I had to $ gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 32EA7F7A and then to close and open Evolution. If I would automatically download keys that certify a key, wouldn't the warning automatically disappear? gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner. A web of trust already could be a fake. IMO interaction of the user is better, than doing it automatically. Regards, Ralf PS: I dislike multipart messages sent to mailing lists. Your mail isn't a text/HTML multipart, but you include your signature and IMO signing mails sent to mailing lists is redundant. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] GPG Auto download pub keys
On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 11:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > PS: I dislike multipart messages sent to mailing lists. Your mail > isn't a text/HTML multipart, but you include your signature and IMO > signing mails sent to mailing lists is redundant. Why is it redundant? poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] View Group By Threads
Hi, take a look at the thread/s with the subject "GPG Auto download pub keys". https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2015-May/thread.html mentions "". Claws, the other MUA I'm using, shows this as a single thread. Evo does split it into two threads. Technically Evo does the right thing, since Pitt's mail neither has got a 'In-Reply-To', nor a 'References' in the header. But when I reread the thread using Evo, I need to activate a "GPG Auto" search. Without this 'filter' I wouldn't find the first mails, since the Evo list doesn't has got it's own folder. IMO the way the archive and Claws handle it, is better than the way Evo does. Btw. if I switch from sort by date to sort by subject, while thread view is disabled, Evo sometimes lose the focus of the selected mail, so that the sort is rendered useless, since scrolling unlikely does help. Regards, Ralf OT: If I type the list address into the "To" input field, Evo does not automatically change my mail account from the default account to the one used for this list. It works flawlessly if I reply to mails sent from the list. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] GPG Auto download pub keys
On Sun, 10 May 2015 11:24:11 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 11:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> PS: I dislike multipart messages sent to mailing lists. Your mail >> isn't a text/HTML multipart, but you include your signature and IMO >> signing mails sent to mailing lists is redundant. > >Why is it redundant? That's the wrong question. What is it good for to sign a message send to a public mailing list? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] View Group By Threads
On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 12:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > take a look at the thread/s with the subject "GPG Auto download pub > keys". > > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2015-May/thread.html > > mentions "". > > Claws, the other MUA I'm using, shows this as a single thread. > > Evo does split it into two threads. You don't indicate what the two threads are. I see only one, but maybe I'm not seeing what you see. > Technically Evo does the right thing, since Pitt's mail neither has > got a 'In-Reply-To', nor a 'References' in the header. But when I > reread the thread using Evo, I need to activate a "GPG Auto" search. > Without this 'filter' I wouldn't find the first mails, since the Evo > list doesn't has got it's own folder. Have you tried "Edit->Preferences->Mail Preferences->Fall back to threading messages by subject"? poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] GPG Auto download pub keys
On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 12:31 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 10 May 2015 11:24:11 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > >On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 11:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> PS: I dislike multipart messages sent to mailing lists. Your mail > >> isn't a text/HTML multipart, but you include your signature and IMO > >> signing mails sent to mailing lists is redundant. > > > >Why is it redundant? > > That's the wrong question. No it isn't. You made an unsupported assertion. I'm asking you to support it. > What is it good for to sign a message send to a public mailing list? That's a different assertion. Saying something is redundant means it adds no new information. If the reader has confidence in the signing key, the signature serves to verify the sender. The only verification done by the mailing list system is the source address, which is easily forged. Thus the signature does add new information for the interested reader and is not redundant. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] View Group By Threads
On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 11:51 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Have you tried "Edit->Preferences->Mail Preferences->Fall back to > threading messages by subject"? Yes, but this doesn't fix the issue. With "Fall back to threading messages by subject" enabled two mails are not shown. From: Justin Musgrove To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: [Bulk] [Evolution] GPG Auto download pub keys Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 14:27:24 + and From: James Lay Reply-to: j...@slave-tothe-box.net To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] GPG Auto download pub keys Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 08:35:05 -0600 Mailer: Roundcube Webmail/1.1.1 are not shown. Perhaps the "[Bulk]" in the first message could cause an issue, JFTR it doesn't for Claws, but the subject of the second mail is perfectly perfect. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] View Group By Threads
On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 13:08 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 11:51 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Have you tried "Edit->Preferences->Mail Preferences->Fall back to > > threading messages by subject"? > > Yes, but this doesn't fix the issue. > > With "Fall back to threading messages by subject" enabled two mails > are not shown. > > From: Justin Musgrove > To: evolution-list@gnome.org > Subject: [Bulk] [Evolution] GPG Auto download pub keys > Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 14:27:24 + > > and > > From: James Lay > Reply-to: j...@slave-tothe-box.net > To: evolution-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [Evolution] GPG Auto download pub keys > Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 08:35:05 -0600 > Mailer: Roundcube Webmail/1.1.1 > > are not shown. Perhaps the "[Bulk]" in the first message could cause > an issue, JFTR it doesn't for Claws, but the subject of the second > mail is perfectly perfect. I'm seeing both those message in the same thread. In fact the first one is the start of the thread. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] View Group By Threads
On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 12:13 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I'm seeing both those message in the same thread. In fact the first > one is the start of the thread. This is what I get by using Evolution 3.16.1. The Evolution mailing list doesn't have it's own folder and I'm using a POP account. JFTR some mails are in the Sent folder. http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_2015-05-10_14-01-53.1431260066.png However, the first two mails are in the Inbox folder too, but only shown in a group with the other mails, if I use the search filter. http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_2015-05-10_14-02-51 -LfTy8GrK.1431259713.png The pictures automatically will be deleted in 7 day. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] View Group By Threads
On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 14:21 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 12:13 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > I'm seeing both those message in the same thread. In fact the first > > one is the start of the thread. > > This is what I get by using Evolution 3.16.1. The Evolution mailing > list doesn't have it's own folder and I'm using a POP account. JFTR > some mails are in the Sent folder. > > http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_2015-05-10_14-01-53.1431260066.png I use a per-list folder for every mailing list I'm on (I also use IMAP but I doubt that makes a difference here). I've no idea how non-RFC threading would work in your configuration, where all the header information can vary between messages. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] View Group By Threads
PS: I've forgotten to post a link to my Evolution's preferences. http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_2015-05-10_14-25-57.1431260873.png ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] View Group By Threads
On Sun, 10 May 2015 13:29:14 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >I use a per-list folder for every mailing list I'm on (I also use IMAP >but I doubt that makes a difference here). I've no idea how non-RFC >threading would work in your configuration, where all the header >information can vary between messages. It does when using Claws. http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_2015-05-10_14-37-17.1431261495.png ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] View Group By Threads
On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 14:40 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 10 May 2015 13:29:14 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > >I use a per-list folder for every mailing list I'm on (I also use IMAP > >but I doubt that makes a difference here). I've no idea how non-RFC > >threading would work in your configuration, where all the header > >information can vary between messages. > > It does when using Claws. Non-RFC means non-standard. In a sense it's like saying the "correct" threading behaviour is undefined. Each mailer can just do what it thinks is reasonable and those that default to threading by Subject are also going to fail a lot of the time. Evidently that means they won't all do the same things. I suggest you report this as a bug in Evo in the usual way. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] View Group By Threads
On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 14:48 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I suggest you report this as a bug in Evo in the usual way. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749203 ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] View Group By Threads
On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 14:21 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 12:13 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > I'm seeing both those message in the same thread. In fact the > > first > > one is the start of the thread. > > This is what I get by using Evolution 3.16.1. The Evolution mailing > list doesn't have it's own folder and I'm using a POP account. JFTR > some mails are in the Sent folder. I'm seeing the same behavior in evo 3.16.1. The GPG Auto download is split into two threads. > http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_2015-05-10_14-01 > -53.1431260066.png > > However, the first two mails are in the Inbox folder too, but only > shown in a group with the other mails, if I use the search filter. > > http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_2015-05-10_14-02-51 > -LfTy8GrK.1431259713.png > > The pictures automatically will be deleted in 7 day. > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list JM signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problem in write support CalDAV 3.16
On Fri, 2015-05-08 at 18:44 +0200, Matthijs van Wolferen wrote: > Just upgraded to Fedora 22 with 3.16.1 installed. > Still have this strange problem where I can't write to my CalDAV > calendar, hosted by Fastmail. Hi, does that failed write give you any error message? > Strange thing is, I don't get an error on console. Not that strange, evolution doesn't run the calendar code, it's evolution-calendar-factory which does that. Run it from a console like this: $ CALDAV_DEBUG=all /usr/libexec/evolution-calendar-factory -w then run evolution and try to write to the calendar. You might get some activity on the calendar factory console, showing raw communication between the server and the client. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
