Re: [Evolution] Funambol, syncing, etc.
Hi Nick! Excellent email. Thanks for taking the time to provide this kind of feedback. As the author of SyncEvolution I very much like to hear where the software or installation needs to be improved. Of course, I was also glad to hear that it worked for you better than the other methods tried first and thus was hopefully worth the effort ;-) Some more specific comments below... On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 12:09 +1100, Nick Jenkins wrote: > == Experience / Timeline == [...] > 4:58 completed reading a bit more about syncevolution. Ran: "sudo > aptitude install syncevolution". There's no such package in Ubuntu. > Express annoyance about this I'll help anyone who wants to package it, but I cannot do that myself. There is an active intent to package it for Debian, but this is currently a bit stuck due to lack of time. Writing up your experience for LWN would be useful to get the attention of other developers and potential packagers. So far I have focused on providing information about SyncEvolution on www.estamos.de and in my blog. I prefer word of mouth to get it known elsewhere because that gives a less biased view of the software. > 5:02 Some more googling - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncEvolution > confirms that there are no packages. That page is out-dated. The setup instructions are way more complicated than those on http://www.estamos.de/projects/SyncML/GettingStarted.html and create an old-style configuration, which is still supported, but only for backwards compatibility. The config files are now in ~/.config/syncevolution, as suggested by the XDG FreeDesktop standard. I try not get involved in downstream usage and documentation (there are too many of those, that would be a loosing battle), but the old information should be removed and replaced with links to estamos.de - if no-one beats me to it or objects, then I'll do that. I wonder why you didn't find estamos.de first. It's the first hit for "syncevolution". Probably you searched for "syncevolution Ubuntu". > == General comments == > > * This is not easy. Any attempt to pretend this is easy is incorrect. My > grandma could not do this. My mother could not do this. Most normal > people will simply not do this many steps. As soon as it requires using > the command line, changing repositories, or anything like that, most > normal people just won't do it. Agreed. In my opinion the technology is mature enough that it could be packaged more nicely, but that still needs to be done. > * This is not quick. Any attempt to pretend this is quick is incorrect. > Most people will give up long before spending this much time (58 minutes > in my case) on getting it to work. It would be interesting to hear from someone who followed the steps outlined on estamos.de. I hope it would be a lot simpler and faster. Admittedly that would be without the GUI frontend. > Especially when the other methods are > buggy, it makes you far less inclined to spend the time seeing if yet > another method works, since you start to suspect it's an intractable > problem. Yes. It doesn't help that other projects promise to solve the problem on their start page and then don't document what really works and how well. > * The main solution to the above 2 problems, so I can't emphasise this > enough: Please please please add Ubuntu packages for syncevolution and > genesis-sync to the standard repositories. From what I understand, > Fedora gets this right, and has packages. If "aptitude install > syncevolution genesis-sync" had worked out-of-the-box, it would have > saved a LOT of time, and made it much easier. Again, I couldn't agree more. > == Bugs == > > Having said all this, the Funambol method is still a little bit buggy / > incomplete. I particularly notice this with addresses: > > * It doesn't seem to sync a contact's "other" address from evolution to > the phone, as far as I can tell. In fact, it managed to delete an > "other" address from one of my evolution contacts, probably after I > modified the contact on the phone, and then the other address that I > previously had in evolution ended up blank. I would personally prefer > that syncing didn't delete my data :-) Funambol only supports one address in the current release. A few days ago they announced the features planned for 8.0 and support for a second address is listed. With ScheduleWorld you shouldn't have had that problem. In SyncEvolution I currently depend on the server to support all data that needs to be synchronized. I am aware that not all servers are up to that yet, so on the command line you get detailed information about what was changed and you can enable automatic backups to recover if something didn't go as expected (see the logdir option). In the future I might also change this so that data that cannot be stored on the server is at least preserved locally. > * If a contact has a home address in evolution, I sometimes seem to end > up with both a straight "address" on the phone, and a "home > add
[Evolution] Evolution terribly slow in displaying mails
I have enabled "synchronize remote mails locally" option so I assume that all mails are downloaded to disk. But still opening a mails is terribly slow. If my internet connection is slow then why it takes a long time to show the mail which is already downloaded? Thanks, Ruchir ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] full text search unreliable
Hello!
For a while now I had this nagging feeling that full text no longer
worked as well as it used to in older releases. I'm using Evolution
2.24.5, compiled from source, with maildir as storage format, and can
now definitely say that full text search fails to find any mail with the
word "sandbox" in a folder which has several mails which contain that
word.
I did a "grep -r -w" and found 13 mails. Doing the same search via
Evolution found only one. I then stopped Evolution, removed all *.ibex.index*
and *.cmeta files plus the folders.db, restarted Evolution.
"Send/Receive" ran a while and produced shell output ("camel-WARNING **:
Could not find key entry for word '0x': No such file or
directory") which seemed to come from text indexing. Once done it
doesn't find *any* email at all with the word "sandbox".
I used to like Evolution because I could find mail in my mail archive
very easily. That's no longer the case. If you wonder whether I mean
"like" or "find" with that, well, I wonder about that too.
Am I the only one or are there known open issues? Did I perhaps not
compile Evolution correctly? What can be done to investigate and fix
this?
--
Bye, Patrick Ohly
--
patrick.o...@gmx.de
http://www.estamos.de/
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Re: [Evolution] full text search unreliable
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 16:45 +0100, Patrick Ohly wrote: > I did a "grep -r -w" and found 13 mails. Doing the same search via > Evolution found only one. I then stopped Evolution, removed all > *.ibex.index* > and *.cmeta files plus the folders.db, restarted Evolution. For a true test I think you'd also need to rebuild the database, see http://www.gnome.org/~sragavan/evolution-rebuild-summarydb poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Connecting to an Exchange 2007 Global Address List server, via LDAP
Hi; my company switched from Exchange 2003 to 2007 in December (just a few months too early... drat!) and I simply don't have time to do the from-source building right now. I've been using Outlook via Crossover Linux but I've gotten so fed up with it that now I'm using it only for calendaring and using Evolution to connect to Exchange 2007 via IMAP for email. This is OK (not great but OK) except that I haven't figured out how to connect to the Exchange GAL from Evolution, which is a major problem if I want to do anything but reply to email that someone has sent me. I've looked on the web and tried a few things but nothing is working. My best attempt so far caused Evo to hang and I had to run --force-shutdown. Everything else just fails. Does anyone have any instructions for connecting to GAL servers using Evo? I'm only vaguely familiar with LDAP (although in a previous professional life I did a lot of work with X.500 etc. :-)) ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] message filters not working
Hello, I have finally been able to create several evolution message filter rules based on mailing lists. The one I created for the evolution-list@gnome.org works fine, but the ones I have created for my various ubuntu and security mailing lists don't work. I created all the rules the same. Basically, filter on mailing list and I double-check the mailing-list name/address. I then tell the filter to move the message to a folder on my local system. For example the evolution list messages go to lists/evolution, but the ubuntu-users messages are supposed to go to ubuntu/users but even if I press ctrl+y to run the filters, the messages are not being moved to the folder. I did check under edit -> filter rules and the ubuntu rules are enabled. Any ideas would be appreciated (hopefull before I drownd in email) :-) Love, Me signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] message filters not working
> > The one I created for the evolution-list@gnome.org works fine, but the > ones I have created for my various ubuntu and security mailing lists > don't work. I created all the rules the same. > > Basically, filter on mailing list and I double-check the mailing-list > name/address. I then tell the filter to move the message to a folder on > my local system. The easiest way is to right click on one of the mailing list messages, select "Create rule from message" -> "Filter based on mailing list". If there is not the information in the mailing list messages to be able to filter, then that option won't be present. (The mailing list filtering requires certain headers to be present - it's not just based on the list mail address - the headers all start 'List-') > > For example the evolution list messages go to lists/evolution, but the > ubuntu-users messages are supposed to go to ubuntu/users but even if I > press ctrl+y to run the filters, the messages are not being moved to the > folder. > Did you highlight the messages you wanted to run the filters on? P. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] message filters not working
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 06:10:25PM +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > The one I created for the evolution-list@gnome.org works fine, but the > > ones I have created for my various ubuntu and security mailing lists > > don't work. I created all the rules the same. > > > > Basically, filter on mailing list and I double-check the mailing-list > > name/address. I then tell the filter to move the message to a folder on > > my local system. > > The easiest way is to right click on one of the mailing list messages, > select "Create rule from message" -> "Filter based on mailing list". If > there is not the information in the mailing list messages to be able to > filter, then that option won't be present. > > (The mailing list filtering requires certain headers to be present - > it's not just based on the list mail address - the headers all start > 'List-') > But *very many* mailing lists don't have those List headers. > > > > For example the evolution list messages go to lists/evolution, but the > > ubuntu-users messages are supposed to go to ubuntu/users but even if I > > press ctrl+y to run the filters, the messages are not being moved to the > > folder. > > > > Did you highlight the messages you wanted to run the filters on? > > P. > > ___ > Evolution-list mailing list > Evolution-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list > -- Chris Green ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] message filters not working
> > > The one I created for the evolution-list@gnome.org works fine, but the > > > ones I have created for my various ubuntu and security mailing lists > > > don't work. I created all the rules the same. > > > > > > Basically, filter on mailing list and I double-check the mailing-list > > > name/address. I then tell the filter to move the message to a folder on > > > my local system. > > > > The easiest way is to right click on one of the mailing list messages, > > select "Create rule from message" -> "Filter based on mailing list". If > > there is not the information in the mailing list messages to be able to > > filter, then that option won't be present. > > > > (The mailing list filtering requires certain headers to be present - > > it's not just based on the list mail address - the headers all start > > 'List-') > > > But *very many* mailing lists don't have those List headers. > Sure, but that's not Evo's fault! In that case you can't filter as a mailing list, you will have to filter on sender address. The "Filter on Mailing List" *requires* those headers to be present - that's how Evo knows that it's a mailing list email, otherwise it looks like any other email to Evo. P. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] message filters not working
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 06:56:52PM +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > The one I created for the evolution-list@gnome.org works fine, but the > > > > ones I have created for my various ubuntu and security mailing lists > > > > don't work. I created all the rules the same. > > > > > > > > Basically, filter on mailing list and I double-check the mailing-list > > > > name/address. I then tell the filter to move the message to a folder on > > > > my local system. > > > > > > The easiest way is to right click on one of the mailing list messages, > > > select "Create rule from message" -> "Filter based on mailing list". If > > > there is not the information in the mailing list messages to be able to > > > filter, then that option won't be present. > > > > > > (The mailing list filtering requires certain headers to be present - > > > it's not just based on the list mail address - the headers all start > > > 'List-') > > > > > But *very many* mailing lists don't have those List headers. > > > > Sure, but that's not Evo's fault! In that case you can't filter as a > mailing list, you will have to filter on sender address. The "Filter on > Mailing List" *requires* those headers to be present - that's how Evo > knows that it's a mailing list email, otherwise it looks like any other > email to Evo. > In the 'real world' that's not very helpful to the user is it. For this very reason mutt (for example) has configuration options to tell it what addresses are mailing lists so it doesn't rely on 'well behaved' mailing lists. -- Chris Green ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] message filters not working
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 19:46 +, Chris G wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 06:56:52PM +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > > > The one I created for the evolution-list@gnome.org works fine, but the > > > > > ones I have created for my various ubuntu and security mailing lists > > > > > don't work. I created all the rules the same. > > > > > > > > > > Basically, filter on mailing list and I double-check the mailing-list > > > > > name/address. I then tell the filter to move the message to a folder > > > > > on > > > > > my local system. > > > > > > > > The easiest way is to right click on one of the mailing list messages, > > > > select "Create rule from message" -> "Filter based on mailing list". If > > > > there is not the information in the mailing list messages to be able to > > > > filter, then that option won't be present. > > > > > > > > (The mailing list filtering requires certain headers to be present - > > > > it's not just based on the list mail address - the headers all start > > > > 'List-') > > > > > > > But *very many* mailing lists don't have those List headers. > > > > > > > Sure, but that's not Evo's fault! In that case you can't filter as a > > mailing list, you will have to filter on sender address. The "Filter on > > Mailing List" *requires* those headers to be present - that's how Evo > > knows that it's a mailing list email, otherwise it looks like any other > > email to Evo. > > > In the 'real world' that's not very helpful to the user is it. > > For this very reason mutt (for example) has configuration options to > tell it what addresses are mailing lists so it doesn't rely on 'well > behaved' mailing lists. > I don't see what the problem is! It's just a convenience, it's not a generic option saying "if the email is from a mailing list", it is just another method of classifying an email - the only time it's an advantage is if the mailing list changes it's address - Evo would still know that an email is from that mailing list, otherwise it behaves in exactly the same way as if you had specified a sender address. P. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] message filters not working
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 19:46 +, Chris G wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 06:56:52PM +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > > > The one I created for the evolution-list@gnome.org works fine, but the > > > > > ones I have created for my various ubuntu and security mailing lists > > > > > don't work. I created all the rules the same. > > > > > > > > > > Basically, filter on mailing list and I double-check the mailing-list > > > > > name/address. I then tell the filter to move the message to a folder > > > > > on > > > > > my local system. > > > > > > > > The easiest way is to right click on one of the mailing list messages, > > > > select "Create rule from message" -> "Filter based on mailing list". If > > > > there is not the information in the mailing list messages to be able to > > > > filter, then that option won't be present. > > > > > > > > (The mailing list filtering requires certain headers to be present - > > > > it's not just based on the list mail address - the headers all start > > > > 'List-') > > > > > > > But *very many* mailing lists don't have those List headers. > > > > > > > Sure, but that's not Evo's fault! In that case you can't filter as a > > mailing list, you will have to filter on sender address. The "Filter on > > Mailing List" *requires* those headers to be present - that's how Evo > > knows that it's a mailing list email, otherwise it looks like any other > > email to Evo. > > > In the 'real world' that's not very helpful to the user is it. > > For this very reason mutt (for example) has configuration options to > tell it what addresses are mailing lists so it doesn't rely on 'well > behaved' mailing lists. And how does Mutt know which addresses are mailing lists? poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] message filters not working
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 04:10:35PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 19:46 +, Chris G wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 06:56:52PM +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > > > > > The one I created for the evolution-list@gnome.org works fine, but > > > > > > the > > > > > > ones I have created for my various ubuntu and security mailing lists > > > > > > don't work. I created all the rules the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically, filter on mailing list and I double-check the > > > > > > mailing-list > > > > > > name/address. I then tell the filter to move the message to a > > > > > > folder on > > > > > > my local system. > > > > > > > > > > The easiest way is to right click on one of the mailing list messages, > > > > > select "Create rule from message" -> "Filter based on mailing list". > > > > > If > > > > > there is not the information in the mailing list messages to be able > > > > > to > > > > > filter, then that option won't be present. > > > > > > > > > > (The mailing list filtering requires certain headers to be present - > > > > > it's not just based on the list mail address - the headers all start > > > > > 'List-') > > > > > > > > > But *very many* mailing lists don't have those List headers. > > > > > > > > > > Sure, but that's not Evo's fault! In that case you can't filter as a > > > mailing list, you will have to filter on sender address. The "Filter on > > > Mailing List" *requires* those headers to be present - that's how Evo > > > knows that it's a mailing list email, otherwise it looks like any other > > > email to Evo. > > > > > In the 'real world' that's not very helpful to the user is it. > > > > For this very reason mutt (for example) has configuration options to > > tell it what addresses are mailing lists so it doesn't rely on 'well > > behaved' mailing lists. > > And how does Mutt know which addresses are mailing lists? > You tell it, that's what I meant by 'configuration options'. Hardly rocket science! :-) -- Chris Green ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] message filters not working
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 20:54 +, Chris G wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 04:10:35PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 19:46 +, Chris G wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 06:56:52PM +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The one I created for the evolution-list@gnome.org works fine, > > > > > > > but the > > > > > > > ones I have created for my various ubuntu and security mailing > > > > > > > lists > > > > > > > don't work. I created all the rules the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically, filter on mailing list and I double-check the > > > > > > > mailing-list > > > > > > > name/address. I then tell the filter to move the message to a > > > > > > > folder on > > > > > > > my local system. > > > > > > > > > > > > The easiest way is to right click on one of the mailing list > > > > > > messages, > > > > > > select "Create rule from message" -> "Filter based on mailing > > > > > > list". If > > > > > > there is not the information in the mailing list messages to be > > > > > > able to > > > > > > filter, then that option won't be present. > > > > > > > > > > > > (The mailing list filtering requires certain headers to be present - > > > > > > it's not just based on the list mail address - the headers all start > > > > > > 'List-') > > > > > > > > > > > But *very many* mailing lists don't have those List headers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure, but that's not Evo's fault! In that case you can't filter as a > > > > mailing list, you will have to filter on sender address. The "Filter on > > > > Mailing List" *requires* those headers to be present - that's how Evo > > > > knows that it's a mailing list email, otherwise it looks like any other > > > > email to Evo. > > > > > > > In the 'real world' that's not very helpful to the user is it. > > > > > > For this very reason mutt (for example) has configuration options to > > > tell it what addresses are mailing lists so it doesn't rely on 'well > > > behaved' mailing lists. > > > > And how does Mutt know which addresses are mailing lists? > > > You tell it, that's what I meant by 'configuration options'. Hardly > rocket science! :-) You mean like you tell the Evo filter to look for a ListId header? poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Evolution 2.24.1.1
The display of html images within messages, invoked by Ctrl. I, does not work. In fact, the application suddenly exits. In past versions of SuSE Linux the application worked but in the most recent version - 11.1 - it does not. I have tried various adjustments in the preferences, but to no avail. Does anybody know of a solution other than using Mozilla Thunderbird? ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution 2.24.1.1
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 21:19 -0400, Heribert Riesbeck wrote: > The display of html images within messages, invoked by Ctrl. I, does not > work. In fact, the application suddenly exits. > > In past versions of SuSE Linux the application worked but in the most > recent version - 11.1 - it does not. I have tried various adjustments in > the preferences, but to no avail. nb...@aurelius:~> evolution --version GNOME evolution 2.24.1.1 nb...@aurelius:~> cat /etc/SuSE-release openSUSE 11.1 (x86_64) VERSION = 11.1 ctrl-i works as expected for me. Do you also crash when you use the mouse to select "View | Load Images?" -- N. B. Day N 39° 28' 25" W 119° 48' 37" 1404 meters up Aurelius up 2 days 8:40, 2 users, load average: 0.17, 0.11, 0.10 2.6.27.19-3.2-default x86_64 GNU/Linux openSUSE 11.1 (x86_64) ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
