[Evolution] [IMAP] Filtering and Expunging
Hi! I'm using Evolution 2.10.1 on Ubuntu stable. I have 3 IMAP accounts. The problem is that I create filters for Inbox mail, to have my email delivered to sub folders. Also I have a filter to eliminate completely a message containing the word "Spam". I have two problems: * Whenever I have new mail, some filters are not applied. For example, some (if not all) spam messages aren't deleted or emails are not delivered to sub folders. I have to manually select the new emails, and press Ctrl + Y to (re)apply filters. As you can imagine, after 2 days, you don't want to use Evo anymore. I checked and rechecked each account and found the "Apply filters to new messages on this server" on. * When (manually or automatically) my email is filtered, it disappears from the Inbox. This is ok. But if for some reason my evolution crashes or I lost internet connectivity, lots of old "unfiltered" emails appear as soon as I connect to the server again. It seems that when emails are deleted or moved, evolutions caches the information but doesn't apply it on the remote IMAP server. I search and found no option to do this. I really want the emails to be expunged as soon as I gave an order to do so. Are this know problems? Am I doing something wrong? Please advice :) Thank you for your excellent email client :) Cheers, Ruben ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution-Connector W/ Exchange 2007
On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 14:36 +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote: > I've looked around and even upgraded my evo client to 2.10 (from 2.8) > and the issue still persists. > > There's a gnome bug opened on this already - > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374810 > > There was a novell dev working on this, and the last response from him > was on February and mentioned that he's trying to get it done for the RC > candidate. I am that "poor" Novell dev and still working on it. ;-) MS has changed a lot in Exchange 2007, that has shattered many pieces of our assumptions. My target is to support it for 2.12. I suspended working in Exchange 2007 for a while and will continue the task in another couple of weeks. Will keep the list posted of its progress. Thanks, V. Varadhan -- Veerapuram Varadhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Novell, Inc. Software for the Open Enterprise™ http://www.novell.com ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [IMAP] Filtering and Expunging
> > * Whenever I have new mail, some filters are not applied. For example, > some (if not all) spam messages aren't deleted or emails are not > delivered to sub folders. I have to manually select the new emails, and > press Ctrl + Y to (re)apply filters. As you can imagine, after 2 days, > you don't want to use Evo anymore. I checked and rechecked each account > and found the "Apply filters to new messages on this server" on. Do you have something else that is accessing your IMAP folders? Like a mail notification applet or a webmail application. The definition of "new" mail is dependent on the IMAP server - if something else has seen the mail, then it is no longer "new" according to the IMAP server and so Evo doesn't filter it. > > * When (manually or automatically) my email is filtered, it disappears > from the Inbox. This is ok. But if for some reason my evolution crashes > or I lost internet connectivity, lots of old "unfiltered" emails appear > as soon as I connect to the server again. It seems that when emails are > deleted or moved, evolutions caches the information but doesn't apply it > on the remote IMAP server. I search and found no option to do this. I > really want the emails to be expunged as soon as I gave an order to do > so. "Expunging" is a server side function, it's not Evo that does it - in fact most things to do with IMAP folders are done on the server side. The only time that Evo caches things like that is if it is working offline. To me, it looks like there is something else fiddling with your mail boxes. P. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [IMAP] Filtering and Expunging
On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 12:12 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > * Whenever I have new mail, some filters are not applied. For example, > > some (if not all) spam messages aren't deleted or emails are not > > delivered to sub folders. I have to manually select the new emails, and > > press Ctrl + Y to (re)apply filters. As you can imagine, after 2 days, > > you don't want to use Evo anymore. I checked and rechecked each account > > and found the "Apply filters to new messages on this server" on. > > Do you have something else that is accessing your IMAP folders? Like a > mail notification applet or a webmail application. The definition of > "new" mail is dependent on the IMAP server - if something else has seen > the mail, then it is no longer "new" according to the IMAP server and so > Evo doesn't filter it. I also notice that for downloaded emails sometimes SpamAssassin appears not to have run on some emails... > > > > * When (manually or automatically) my email is filtered, it disappears > > from the Inbox. This is ok. But if for some reason my evolution crashes > > or I lost internet connectivity, lots of old "unfiltered" emails appear > > as soon as I connect to the server again. It seems that when emails are > > deleted or moved, evolutions caches the information but doesn't apply it > > on the remote IMAP server. I search and found no option to do this. I > > really want the emails to be expunged as soon as I gave an order to do > > so. > > "Expunging" is a server side function, it's not Evo that does it - in > fact most things to do with IMAP folders are done on the server side. > The only time that Evo caches things like that is if it is working > offline. Delete in Evolution needs to be followed by Expunge (CNTL E) for emails to be deleted off the server. This works as expected for me. M ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Offline Evolution switched online when NIC changes
Hi! After upgrading from Ubuntu Dapper to Ubuntu Feisty (a reinstall, actually), the behaviour of Evolution (with exchange folders) changed: An offline Evolution is switched online when the wired NIC is plugged into a different network (or disconnected and reconnected in the same network), or when switching from wired LAN to WLAN. I reported it as a bug with Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/120728 The person handling the bug thinks this is desirable, and expected, behaviour of Evolution, which doesn't make sense to me. So I'll ask here: 1. is this expected behaviour of Evolution 2.10.1? 2. if this is not expected behaviour, is this a known bug with upstream Evolution? 3. if this is a known bug, is there a fix upstream? 4. if this isn't a known bug, should I file it with the gnome bugzilla? Does it belong on evolution or evolution-exchange? I found this, which looks releated...? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=329712 ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [IMAP] Filtering and Expunging
On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 12:12 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > * Whenever I have new mail, some filters are not applied. For > example, > > some (if not all) spam messages aren't deleted or emails are not > > delivered to sub folders. I have to manually select the new emails, > and > > press Ctrl + Y to (re)apply filters. As you can imagine, after 2 > days, > > you don't want to use Evo anymore. I checked and rechecked each > account > > and found the "Apply filters to new messages on this server" on. > > Do you have something else that is accessing your IMAP folders? Like > a > mail notification applet or a webmail application. The definition of > "new" mail is dependent on the IMAP server - if something else has > seen > the mail, then it is no longer "new" according to the IMAP server and > so > Evo doesn't filter it. Maybe this could be causing problems.. I will look at my machines looking for mail notification programs and then I will report my results later. > > > > > * When (manually or automatically) my email is filtered, it > disappears > > from the Inbox. This is ok. But if for some reason my evolution > crashes > > or I lost internet connectivity, lots of old "unfiltered" emails appear > > as soon as I connect to the server again. It seems that when emails are > > deleted or moved, evolutions caches the information but doesn't apply it > > on the remote IMAP server. I search and found no option to do this. I > > really want the emails to be expunged as soon as I gave an order to do > > so. > > "Expunging" is a server side function, it's not Evo that does it - in > fact most things to do with IMAP folders are done on the server side. > The only time that Evo caches things like that is if it is working > offline. > > To me, it looks like there is something else fiddling with your mail > boxes. > > P. > > > ___ > Evolution-list mailing list > Evolution-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [IMAP] Filtering and Expunging
On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 13:19 +0100, michael wrote: > > > > > > * When (manually or automatically) my email is filtered, it disappears > > > from the Inbox. This is ok. But if for some reason my evolution crashes > > > or I lost internet connectivity, lots of old "unfiltered" emails appear > > > as soon as I connect to the server again. It seems that when emails are > > > deleted or moved, evolutions caches the information but doesn't apply it > > > on the remote IMAP server. I search and found no option to do this. I > > > really want the emails to be expunged as soon as I gave an order to do > > > so. > > > > "Expunging" is a server side function, it's not Evo that does it - in > > fact most things to do with IMAP folders are done on the server side. > > The only time that Evo caches things like that is if it is working > > offline. > > Delete in Evolution needs to be followed by Expunge (CNTL E) for emails > to be deleted off the server. This works as expected for me. > If I press Ctrl+E yes, it works, the messages are deleted on server. But I think that, *at least*, there should be an option that does this automatically, every time I delete a message, it expunges the server. Don't expect me to hit 2 keyboard shortcuts every time I want to delete a message. Ruben ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [IMAP] Filtering and Expunging
> > If I press Ctrl+E yes, it works, the messages are deleted on server. > But I think that, *at least*, there should be an option that does this > automatically, every time I delete a message, it expunges the server. > Don't expect me to hit 2 keyboard shortcuts every time I want to delete > a message. You don't - you just have to press delete. The IMAP standard says that a message is only removed when the folder is purged, deleting just marks it as deleted. There is an option to expunge folders on exit though, and you can hide deleted messages - you won't notice the difference that way. >From a mail admin point of view, I would not be happy if the imap folders were expunged at every delete - re-writing 500Mb mail boxes everytime someone presses a delete key would send the server into melt down. P. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [IMAP] Filtering and Expunging
On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 14:08 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > If I press Ctrl+E yes, it works, the messages are deleted on server. > > But I think that, *at least*, there should be an option that does this > > automatically, every time I delete a message, it expunges the server. > > Don't expect me to hit 2 keyboard shortcuts every time I want to delete > > a message. > > You don't - you just have to press delete. The IMAP standard says that > a message is only removed when the folder is purged, deleting just marks > it as deleted. There is an option to expunge folders on exit though, > and you can hide deleted messages - you won't notice the difference that > way. try suspending your laptop, go to home/work and open evolution there on another box... Then you got 500 mails that you have previously deleted/filtered... I found *lots* of complaints about this on google. and many users on ubuntu forums complain about this evolution behavior. It is bad for mail admin? Maybe they should stop using mbox and then they don't have to rewrite 500Mb mail box files :) The good news is that I tested Thunderbird 2, and it *works as expected*, nice and smoothly. Google shows me that people are moving from Evo to Thunderbird for the same reason... I have also found an old (2002) Evo bug report with a user complaining about the same thing and it was closed with "Won't fix". So, my understanding is that *at least* there should be an option that allows automatic expunge of folders. Or if you want, automatic expunge every "n" minutes or seconds. Ruben ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Two nit-pics ??
Hi; 1) I have my sessions manager set to startup evolution 2.10.2, but it never remembers my overall shell size (h = 770 and w = 1315). It does remember other evolution size settings (Folder List width and Message Header width). Is there some way I can permanently set the overall size of evolution. 2) I would like to set the Preview Pane so that it word wraps to, either the Preview Pane size, or failing that, to a pre-chosen size, say 70 characters. Is there some way to do that? I am using F-7, Evolution 2.10.2, Gnome 2.18.2, and MetaCity -- Regards Bill ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Two nit-pics ??
On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 13:12 -0400, William Case wrote: > Hi; > > 1) I have my sessions manager set to startup evolution 2.10.2, but it > never remembers my overall shell size (h = 770 and w = 1315). It does > remember other evolution size settings (Folder List width and Message > Header width). Is there some way I can permanently set the overall size > of evolution. devilspie - http://live.gnome.org/DevilsPie > > 2) I would like to set the Preview Pane so that it word wraps to, either > the Preview Pane size, or failing that, to a pre-chosen size, say 70 > characters. Is there some way to do that? I believe vertical view ( from view->preview ) supports word wrap. For Classic view, this feature is non-existent afaik. The reason being, the sender's email client is supposed to word wrap a email and not evolution. Correct me, if i am wrong :) > > I am using F-7, Evolution 2.10.2, Gnome 2.18.2, and MetaCity > -- Ritesh Khadgaray ॐ मणि पद्मे हूँ LinuX N Stuff Ph: +919970164885 Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Two nit-pics ??
Thanks Ritesh; On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 22:59 +0530, Ritesh Khadgaray wrote: > On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 13:12 -0400, William Case wrote: > > Hi; > > > > 1) I have my sessions manager set to startup evolution 2.10.2, but it > > never remembers my overall shell size (h = 770 and w = 1315). It does > > remember other evolution size settings (Folder List width and Message > > Header width). Is there some way I can permanently set the overall size > > of evolution. > devilspie - http://live.gnome.org/DevilsPie > Forgot about DevilsPie. But I do wish MetaCity would just do it. > > > > 2) I would like to set the Preview Pane so that it word wraps to, either > > the Preview Pane size, or failing that, to a pre-chosen size, say 70 > > characters. Is there some way to do that? > I believe vertical view ( from view->preview ) supports word wrap. > I am using the vertical view. It is not word wrapping. The width of my evolution vertical message pane is about 70 characters or 996 pixels. Lines are being wrapped with usually a word to go, then a new line starting the next line leaving almost every second line mainly blank. > > > > I am using F-7, Evolution 2.10.2, Gnome 2.18.2, and MetaCity > > > > -- Regards Bill ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] [IMAP] Filtering and Expunging
On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 17:56 +0100, Rúben Fonseca wrote: > On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 14:08 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > > If I press Ctrl+E yes, it works, the messages are deleted on server. > > > But I think that, *at least*, there should be an option that does this > > > automatically, every time I delete a message, it expunges the server. > > > Don't expect me to hit 2 keyboard shortcuts every time I want to delete > > > a message. > > > > You don't - you just have to press delete. The IMAP standard says that > > a message is only removed when the folder is purged, deleting just marks > > it as deleted. There is an option to expunge folders on exit though, > > and you can hide deleted messages - you won't notice the difference that > > way. > > try suspending your laptop, go to home/work and open evolution there on > another box... Then you got 500 mails that you have previously > deleted/filtered... The IMAP protocol provides *no* guarantees about consistency when two or more clients are accessing the same mailbox simultaneously. This is not an Evo problem. Increasing the frequency of expunges will reduce the possibility of race conditions but not eliminate them entirely (BTW that's probably why your filters aren't working as expected.) We can discuss alternative strategies for when and how often Evo should do expunges, but note that expunging a message means you can't undelete it. That's why I prefer to have it under my explicit control. Note that simply quitting Evo isn't enough. You have to log out or use the '--force-shutdown' option to make sure the back end is no longer active. I for one would like a additional "Really Quit" option from within Evo so as not to have to use a Shell session for this since I also tend to leave myself logged in from more than one place. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Two nit-pics ??
On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 14:35 -0400, Reid Thompson wrote: > On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 13:51 -0400, William Case wrote: > > Thanks Ritesh; > > > > On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 22:59 +0530, Ritesh Khadgaray wrote: > > > On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 13:12 -0400, William Case wrote: > > > > Hi; > > > > > > > > 1) I have my sessions manager set to startup evolution 2.10.2, but it > > > > never remembers my overall shell size (h = 770 and w = 1315). It does > > > > remember other evolution size settings (Folder List width and Message > > > > Header width). Is there some way I can permanently set the overall size > > > > of evolution. > > > devilspie - http://live.gnome.org/DevilsPie > > > > > Forgot about DevilsPie. But I do wish MetaCity would just do it. > > > > > > > > > > 2) I would like to set the Preview Pane so that it word wraps to, either > > > > the Preview Pane size, or failing that, to a pre-chosen size, say 70 > > > > characters. Is there some way to do that? > > > I believe vertical view ( from view->preview ) supports word wrap. > > > > > I am using the vertical view. It is not word wrapping. The width of my > > evolution vertical message pane is about 70 characters or 996 pixels. > > Lines are being wrapped with usually a word to go, then a new line > > starting the next line leaving almost every second line mainly blank. > > > > > > > > > > I am using F-7, Evolution 2.10.2, Gnome 2.18.2, and MetaCity > > > > > > > > > > > how about updating the .desktop file's Exec call to explicitly set the > geometry It seems that evolution is no longer executing with the -g or --geometry option. (see evolution --help) -- Regards Bill ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Two nit-pics ??
On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 13:51 -0400, William Case wrote: > > > 2) I would like to set the Preview Pane so that it word wraps to, either > > > the Preview Pane size, or failing that, to a pre-chosen size, say 70 > > > characters. Is there some way to do that? > > I believe vertical view ( from view->preview ) supports word wrap. > > > I am using the vertical view. It is not word wrapping. The width of my > evolution vertical message pane is about 70 characters or 996 pixels. > Lines are being wrapped with usually a word to go, then a new line > starting the next line leaving almost every second line mainly blank. This is because the email is both hard wrapped by the sender and soft wrapped by evo. If you're message pane is wider than the hard wrap, it won't soft wrap. If it's narrower, it soft wraps, but still respects the hard wrap. Annoying, I know. On my old laptop. I had to mess with fonts and sizes until I found one narrow enough. Daniel ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Offline Evolution switched online when NIC changes
Hello On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 16:22 +0200, Steinar Bang wrote: > Hi! > > After upgrading from Ubuntu Dapper to Ubuntu Feisty (a reinstall, > actually), the behaviour of Evolution (with exchange folders) changed: > > An offline Evolution is switched online when the wired NIC is plugged > into a different network (or disconnected and reconnected in the same > network), or when switching from wired LAN to WLAN. > > I reported it as a bug with Ubuntu > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/120728 > > The person handling the bug thinks this is desirable, and expected, > behaviour of Evolution, which doesn't make sense to me. Evolution checks with NetworkManager for a inet connection, and if existent switches to "online" mode. And if nm finds no active inet connection, it informs applications such as evolution, evolution switches to offline mode, This is a expected behavior from what i have read about nm and evolution integration . > > So I'll ask here: > 1. is this expected behaviour of Evolution 2.10.1? > 2. if this is not expected behaviour, is this a known bug with > upstream Evolution? > 3. if this is a known bug, is there a fix upstream? > 4. if this isn't a known bug, should I file it with the gnome > bugzilla? Does it belong on evolution or evolution-exchange? > > I found this, which looks releated...? > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=329712 > > > ___ > Evolution-list mailing list > Evolution-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list -- Ritesh Khadgaray ॐ मणि पद्मे हूँ LinuX N Stuff Ph: +919970164885 Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution-Connector W/ Exchange 2007
On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 04:18 -0600, Veerapuram Varadhan wrote: > On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 14:36 +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote: > > There was a novell dev working on this, and the last response from him > > was on February and mentioned that he's trying to get it done for the RC > > candidate. > I am that "poor" Novell dev and still working on it. ;-) > MS has changed a lot in Exchange 2007, that has shattered many pieces of > our assumptions. My target is to support it for 2.12. > > I suspended working in Exchange 2007 for a while and will continue the > task in another couple of weeks. Will keep the list posted of its > progress. That is good to hear. The upgrade to Exchange 2007 was inevitable for most companies and mine got chomped into it as well. Looking forward to the new release ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
