Re: [Evolution] GPG support

2006-02-14 Thread Erik Slagter
On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 22:59 -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
> Speaking of that - I've found that for some reason, when you click the
> seal, the text in the window that pops up can't be copied and pasted.
> This is an inconvenience because I would like to be able to search for
> the public key on a keyserver by pasting the ID.

Or even better, by clickin on a button have the key added to your
keyring!


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Re: [Evolution] Cannot start Evolution on Debian AMD64 Etch

2006-02-14 Thread Joost Kraaijeveld
Hi Partha

On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 11:11 +0530, Parthasarathi Susarla wrote: 
> Looks like there is some kinda crash/hang. To determine the exact nature
> of the problem please follow the instructions at
> live.gnome.org/GettingTraces and you could file a bug with the
> information you get at bugzilla.gnome.org

My problem has disappeared, so I cannot create a trace about *this*
anymore. But I do have another problem that is also described here:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=341305

I have filed several Bug Buddy reports but I do not get any feedback (or
don't know how to get it)  if my mails are actually delivered to
something or someone.

My last one:

Description of the crash:

Evolution-exchange-storage crashes ar random during the usage of
evolution. It also crashes on (almost, > 80 %) )every startup attempt,
when non of the memory resident parts of evolution
(evolution-data-server1-4 and evolution-alarm-notify)

Steps to reproduce the crash:
1. Start up Evolution 
2. Crash
3. Restart and it works.

Expected Results:
No crash.

How often does this happen?
The startup problem in > 80% of the attempts, the "regular" crash
always, but the time between Evolution's startup and the crash varies,
but it renders Evolution unusable.


Additional Information:
My machine is a dual processor Opteron AMD64 running Debian Etch and I
have the impression that it is a
multithreading/processing/synchrozisation bug


Below a stacktrace (almost identical as in the bug report mentioned
above)


Groeten

Joost


Backtrace was generated from '/usr/libexec/evolution-exchange-storage'

(no debugging symbols found)
Using host libthread_db library "/lib/libthread_db.so.1".
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[Evolution] Slow performance Evolution with Exchange

2006-02-14 Thread Joost Kraaijeveld
Hi,

I am experiencing a very slow performance of Evolution while accessing my 
Exchange mailbox (that is , if it works at all). Selecting a mail message or 
selecting a map with mails can take up to 5 minutes to appear. Getting the 
messages straight from OWA or using a Outlook in a VMWare session react 
normally.

During the time that Evolution does not react, I can click or use my keyboard, 
but nothing happens. Then, suddenly, all my mous clicks and keyborad action are 
performed within a second (very fast;-))

Is this a known problem? Is there anything I can do to improve the situation?

Groeten,

Joost Kraaijeveld
Askesis B.V.
Molukkenstraat 14
6524NB Nijmegen
tel: 024-3888063 / 06-51855277
fax: 024-3608416
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Evolution] Evolution TNEF support

2006-02-14 Thread Justin Finkelstein
Hi

This may be a little in the way of old news, but I have recently discovered
that there is no built-in support in Evolution for the TNEF encapsulation
format used by Microsoft Outlook, meaning that it is not possible to
properly display messages sent by Outlook users or stored in an IMAP store
by the same.

I've done some digging and found that an Evolution developer call Notzed has
started principle work on a plugin, which is available here:

http://www.users.on.net/~notzed/src/tnef-plugin-0.0.0.tar.gz

I've not had a change to test this as my build environment isn't set up and
I've been unable to get in touch with notzed as to the status of this
project, but I'm thinking it might be worth making this work and try and get
it brought into the main application as core functionality.

Are there any current plans to include TNEF support? Or is it built-in and
I've just missed it?

Thanks,

Justin


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Re: [Evolution] GPG support

2006-02-14 Thread czar
On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 11:46 +0100, Erik Slagter wrote:
> 
> Or even better, by clickin on a button have the key added to your
> keyring!

Now THAT is a great idea!  It sure would be nice to have a few feature
ported over from Mozilla-Thunderbird's Enigmail plug-in.  Seahorse picks
up much of the slack, yet some type of key management (import, hint
again) would be suburb.  

>> Via http://enigmail.mozdev.org/features.html
>> Supports OpenPGP key retrieval via proxy servers

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution TNEF support

2006-02-14 Thread Jeffrey Stedfast
NotZed no longer works for Novell, he quit 4 or 5 months ago.

TNEF would definitely be a worthy plugin for Evolution to have, but I'm
unaware of anyone working on it currently.

Jeff

On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 14:08 +, Justin Finkelstein wrote:
> Hi
> 
> This may be a little in the way of old news, but I have recently discovered
> that there is no built-in support in Evolution for the TNEF encapsulation
> format used by Microsoft Outlook, meaning that it is not possible to
> properly display messages sent by Outlook users or stored in an IMAP store
> by the same.
> 
> I've done some digging and found that an Evolution developer call Notzed has
> started principle work on a plugin, which is available here:
> 
>   http://www.users.on.net/~notzed/src/tnef-plugin-0.0.0.tar.gz
> 
> I've not had a change to test this as my build environment isn't set up and
> I've been unable to get in touch with notzed as to the status of this
> project, but I'm thinking it might be worth making this work and try and get
> it brought into the main application as core functionality.
> 
> Are there any current plans to include TNEF support? Or is it built-in and
> I've just missed it?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Justin
> 
> 
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RE: [Evolution] Evolution TNEF support

2006-02-14 Thread Justin Finkelstein
Ah, ok. That'll explain why the the project stopped being worked on.

So: I reckon that it'd be worthwhile starting on one then. I was going to
have a crack at it last weekend but didn't get a chance, so I'll see if I
can knock something up :)

j.

-Original Message-
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Sent: 14 February 2006 15:44
To: Justin Finkelstein
Cc: evolution-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution TNEF support


NotZed no longer works for Novell, he quit 4 or 5 months ago.

TNEF would definitely be a worthy plugin for Evolution to have, but I'm
unaware of anyone working on it currently.

Jeff

On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 14:08 +, Justin Finkelstein wrote:
> Hi
> 
> This may be a little in the way of old news, but I have recently 
> discovered that there is no built-in support in Evolution for the TNEF 
> encapsulation format used by Microsoft Outlook, meaning that it is not 
> possible to properly display messages sent by Outlook users or stored 
> in an IMAP store by the same.
> 
> I've done some digging and found that an Evolution developer call 
> Notzed has started principle work on a plugin, which is available 
> here:
> 
>   http://www.users.on.net/~notzed/src/tnef-plugin-0.0.0.tar.gz
> 
> I've not had a change to test this as my build environment isn't set 
> up and I've been unable to get in touch with notzed as to the status 
> of this project, but I'm thinking it might be worth making this work 
> and try and get it brought into the main application as core 
> functionality.
> 
> Are there any current plans to include TNEF support? Or is it built-in 
> and I've just missed it?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Justin
> 
> 
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Re: [Evolution] GPG support

2006-02-14 Thread Andre Klapper
hi lee,

On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 22:59 -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
> Speaking of that - I've found that for some reason, when you click the
> seal, the text in the window that pops up can't be copied and pasted.

yes, it's annoying. fyi, it's filed as
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268414

cheers,
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Re: [Evolution] GPG support

2006-02-14 Thread Lee Revell
On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 18:02 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> hi lee,
> 
> On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 22:59 -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
> > Speaking of that - I've found that for some reason, when you click the
> > seal, the text in the window that pops up can't be copied and pasted.
> 
> yes, it's annoying. fyi, it's filed as
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268414
> 

Hmm... if it's a trivial patch why didn't one of the developers just
attach it to that bug report?!?

Lee

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Re: [Evolution] GPG support

2006-02-14 Thread Andre Klapper
hi lee,

On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 12:23 -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
> Hmm... if it's a trivial patch why didn't one of the developers just
> attach it to that bug report?!?

it isn't trivial.

cheers,
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Re: [Evolution] GPG support

2006-02-14 Thread Lee Revell
On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 18:28 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> hi lee,
> 
> On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 12:23 -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
> > Hmm... if it's a trivial patch why didn't one of the developers just
> > attach it to that bug report?!?
> 
> it isn't trivial.

So the issue is something like, right now it's taking the text output
from GPG and flattening it into a bitmap, and fixing it would involve
using an actual text widget?

Lee

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[Evolution] Evol 2.4.21 crahes

2006-02-14 Thread davej
Hi All

I have the following system

Freebsd 5.4 with latest stable updates

Using Evol 2.4.2.1

I received an appointment request from an Outlook 2003 machine. I acceptef
the appointment and then tried to open my calender.  Evolution then
crashed and will no longer open.

Any ideas please


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Re: [Evolution] Evol 2.4.21 crahes

2006-02-14 Thread davej
> Hi All
>
> I have the following system
>
> Freebsd 5.4 with latest stable updates
>
> Using Evol 2.4.2.1
>
> I received an appointment request from an Outlook 2003 machine. I acceptef
> the appointment and then tried to open my calender.  Evolution then
> crashed and will no longer open.
>
> Any ideas please
>
>
> Regards
>
>
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Please view back trace on http://pastebin.com/554640

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Re: [Evolution] Evol 2.4.21 crahes

2006-02-14 Thread Dave Johnson
On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 20:31 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hi All
> >
> > I have the following system
> >
> > Freebsd 5.4 with latest stable updates
> >
> > Using Evol 2.4.2.1
> >
> > I received an appointment request from an Outlook 2003 machine. I acceptef
> > the appointment and then tried to open my calender.  Evolution then
> > crashed and will no longer open.
> >
> > Any ideas please
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
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> Please view back trace on http://pastebin.com/554640
> 
I have manged to open Evol by deleting the contents of 

~/.evolution/calendar/local/system/calendar.ics

Thanks Andre for the help

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Re: [Evolution] Address capitalization

2006-02-14 Thread Andre Klapper
hi patrick,

On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 09:52 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> When composing a new mail, if I type [EMAIL PROTECTED], Evo converts it
> to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For some systems the two are different addresses
> (which may be an RFC violation but it happens). Is there any way to
> prevent Evo from being so "helpful"?

this is filed as http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271777 (both
for your interest and the records ;-).

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Re: [Evolution] Address capitalization

2006-02-14 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
Cool :-)

poc

On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 01:53 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> hi patrick,
> 
> On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 09:52 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > When composing a new mail, if I type [EMAIL PROTECTED], Evo converts it
> > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For some systems the two are different addresses
> > (which may be an RFC violation but it happens). Is there any way to
> > prevent Evo from being so "helpful"?
> 
> this is filed as http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271777 (both
> for your interest and the records ;-).
> 
> cheers,
> andre
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Re: [Evolution] Slow performance Evolution with Exchange

2006-02-14 Thread pnayak
Hi Joost

There is no such known issue. You raise a bug in bugzilla.gnome.org,
under 'connector' with version of evolution. In bugzilla paste E2K_DEBUG
traces of exchange connector, please see live.gnome.org/GettingTraces.

Thanks
Poornima
On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 13:20 +0100, Joost Kraaijeveld wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am experiencing a very slow performance of Evolution while accessing my 
> Exchange mailbox (that is , if it works at all). Selecting a mail message or 
> selecting a map with mails can take up to 5 minutes to appear. Getting the 
> messages straight from OWA or using a Outlook in a VMWare session react 
> normally.
> 
> During the time that Evolution does not react, I can click or use my 
> keyboard, but nothing happens. Then, suddenly, all my mous clicks and 
> keyborad action are performed within a second (very fast;-))
> 
> Is this a known problem? Is there anything I can do to improve the situation?
> 
> Groeten,
> 
> Joost Kraaijeveld
> Askesis B.V.
> Molukkenstraat 14
> 6524NB Nijmegen
> tel: 024-3888063 / 06-51855277
> fax: 024-3608416
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> web: www.askesis.nl 
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution TNEF support

2006-02-14 Thread Ow Mun Heng
On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 10:44 -0500, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> NotZed no longer works for Novell, he quit 4 or 5 months ago.

Voluntarily or ..

> 
> TNEF would definitely be a worthy plugin for Evolution to have, but I'm
> unaware of anyone working on it currently.

I have that plugin installed. It was quite a breeze to install actually.
(but I forgot all about it since I didn't have any use for it anymore)

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution TNEF support

2006-02-14 Thread Lee Revell
On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 12:31 +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 10:44 -0500, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> > NotZed no longer works for Novell, he quit 4 or 5 months ago.
> 
> Voluntarily or ..
> 

I don't think that's an appropriate question, for a public list...

> > 
> > TNEF would definitely be a worthy plugin for Evolution to have, but I'm
> > unaware of anyone working on it currently.
> 
> I have that plugin installed. It was quite a breeze to install actually.
> (but I forgot all about it since I didn't have any use for it anymore)
> 
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Re: [Evolution] Slow performance Evolution with Exchange

2006-02-14 Thread Sushma Rai
Please attach gdb to evolution-exchange-storage process while it doesn't
react, and get the traces using the command, "thread apply all bt"
See http://live.gnome.org/GettingTraces.

Thanks,
Sushma.

On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 13:20 +0100, Joost Kraaijeveld wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am experiencing a very slow performance of Evolution while accessing my 
> Exchange mailbox (that is , if it works at all). Selecting a mail message or 
> selecting a map with mails can take up to 5 minutes to appear. Getting the 
> messages straight from OWA or using a Outlook in a VMWare session react 
> normally.
> 
> During the time that Evolution does not react, I can click or use my 
> keyboard, but nothing happens. Then, suddenly, all my mous clicks and 
> keyborad action are performed within a second (very fast;-))
> 
> Is this a known problem? Is there anything I can do to improve the situation?
> 
> Groeten,
> 
> Joost Kraaijeveld
> Askesis B.V.
> Molukkenstraat 14
> 6524NB Nijmegen
> tel: 024-3888063 / 06-51855277
> fax: 024-3608416
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> web: www.askesis.nl 
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Re: [Evolution] Cannot start Evolution on Debian AMD64 Etch

2006-02-14 Thread Parthasarathi Susarla
That looks like a crash in libsoup. I dont think this bug has been filed
upstream on bugzilla.gnome.org, so we were not aware of it.

Could you file this on bugzilla.gnome.org??

Cheers,
partha
On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 13:10 +0100, Joost Kraaijeveld wrote:
> Hi Partha
> 
> On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 11:11 +0530, Parthasarathi Susarla wrote: 
> > Looks like there is some kinda crash/hang. To determine the exact nature
> > of the problem please follow the instructions at
> > live.gnome.org/GettingTraces and you could file a bug with the
> > information you get at bugzilla.gnome.org
> 
> My problem has disappeared, so I cannot create a trace about *this*
> anymore. But I do have another problem that is also described here:
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=341305
> 
> I have filed several Bug Buddy reports but I do not get any feedback (or
> don't know how to get it)  if my mails are actually delivered to
> something or someone.
> 
> My last one:
> 
> Description of the crash:
> 
> Evolution-exchange-storage crashes ar random during the usage of
> evolution. It also crashes on (almost, > 80 %) )every startup attempt,
> when non of the memory resident parts of evolution
> (evolution-data-server1-4 and evolution-alarm-notify)
> 
> Steps to reproduce the crash:
> 1. Start up Evolution 
> 2. Crash
> 3. Restart and it works.
> 
> Expected Results:
> No crash.
> 
> How often does this happen?
> The startup problem in > 80% of the attempts, the "regular" crash
> always, but the time between Evolution's startup and the crash varies,
> but it renders Evolution unusable.
> 
> 
> Additional Information:
> My machine is a dual processor Opteron AMD64 running Debian Etch and I
> have the impression that it is a
> multithreading/processing/synchrozisation bug
> 
> 
> Below a stacktrace (almost identical as in the bug report mentioned
> above)
> 
> 
> Groeten
> 
> Joost
> 
> 
> Backtrace was generated from '/usr/libexec/evolution-exchange-storage'
> 
> (no debugging symbols found)
> Using host libthread_db library "/lib/libthread_db.so.1".
> (no debugging symbols found)
> (no debugging symbols found)
> (no debugging symbols found)
> (no debugging symbols found)
> (no debugging symbols found)
> (no debugging symbols found)
> (no debugging symbols found)
> (no debugging symbols found)
> (no debugging symbols found)
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RE: [Evolution] Cannot start Evolution on Debian AMD64 Etch

2006-02-14 Thread Joost Kraaijeveld
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi Partha,
> 
> On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 11:55 +0530, Parthasarathi Susarla wrote:
>> That looks like a crash in libsoup. I dont think this bug has been
>> filed upstream on bugzilla.gnome.org, so we were not aware of it.
>> 
>> Could you file this on bugzilla.gnome.org??
BTW: I have done that.

Groeten,

Joost Kraaijeveld
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Re: [Evolution] Cannot start Evolution on Debian AMD64 Etch

2006-02-14 Thread Parthasarathi Susarla

On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 07:25 +0100, Joost Kraaijeveld wrote:
> Hi Partha,
> 
> On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 11:55 +0530, Parthasarathi Susarla wrote:
> > That looks like a crash in libsoup. I dont think this bug has been filed
> > upstream on bugzilla.gnome.org, so we were not aware of it.
> > 
> > Could you file this on bugzilla.gnome.org??
> Does that mean that me filling in Bug Buddy is useless, as I have
> reported this multiple times?
Nope it surely not useless. They are filed under libsoup. 
-partha
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Re: [Evolution] Cannot start Evolution on Debian AMD64 Etch

2006-02-14 Thread Joost Kraaijeveld
Hi Partha,

On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 11:55 +0530, Parthasarathi Susarla wrote:
> That looks like a crash in libsoup. I dont think this bug has been filed
> upstream on bugzilla.gnome.org, so we were not aware of it.
> 
> Could you file this on bugzilla.gnome.org??
Does that mean that me filling in Bug Buddy is useless, as I have
reported this multiple times?

-- 
Groeten,

Joost Kraaijeveld
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6524NB Nijmegen
tel: 024-3888063 / 06-51855277
fax: 024-3608416
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.askesis.nl 

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