Re: [O] org-info.js (un)maintained ?

2017-07-08 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello,

Olivier Berger  writes:

> Looking at https://github.com/SebastianRose/org-info-js the code seems
> rather unmaintained.
>
> On the other hand, there's a copy inside worg/code that seems a bit more
> recent.

Thank you for looking into this.

> I haven't tried yet to contact Sebastian Rose and thought that maybe
> others could enlighten me on the code's status before I dig more into
> the issue.

Even though you made a pull request on the repository, I think our best
bet still is to contact Sebastian Rose for the time being.

Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou



Re: [O] why prepend "file://" to abs paths in html output?

2017-07-08 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello,

Matt Price  writes:

> in org-html-link local links of the form
>
> "/some/path/to/file"
>
> are rewritten as
>
> "file:///some/path/to/file".
>
> This makes it difficult to write root-relative URL's in the way that one
> might expect to be able to (so that export produces links like
>
> 
>
> Is this really the most desirable behaviour? In html export, at least, I
> would think most users would want to allow links of the kind I described.
> But this seems like a conscious design decision; cf. these lines from
> org-html-link:
>
> ;; If file path is absolute, prepend it with protocol
> ;; component - "file://".
> (cond
>  ((file-name-absolute-p raw-path)
>   (setq raw-path (org-export-file-uri raw-path)))
>  ((and home use-abs-url)
>   (setq raw-path (concat (file-name-as-directory home) raw-path
>
> I'm wondering whether a user oculd at least set a defcustom to control this
> behaviour.

Let me ask this the other way: is there any situation where "file://"
prefix is desirable?

Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou



Re: [O] why prepend "file://" to abs paths in html output?

2017-07-08 Thread Kaushal Modi
On Sat, Jul 8, 2017, 6:35 AM Nicolas Goaziou  wrote:

> Let me ask this the other way: is there any situation where "file://"
> prefix is desirable?
>

I don't see why "file://" would be useful in html exports (or pdf, md,
etc). It is probably needed only in org to org exports.

> --

Kaushal Modi


Re: [O] why prepend "file://" to abs paths in html output?

2017-07-08 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello,

Kaushal Modi  writes:

> I don't see why "file://" would be useful in html exports

OK. Il remove the file:// scheme specifications then.

> (or pdf, md, etc).

Well, those are not related to network based protocols. Does it really
make a difference in those cases?

Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou



Re: [O] why prepend "file://" to abs paths in html output?

2017-07-08 Thread Carsten Dominik
I think it can be useful to write file: in the org-mode file, to make a
clear distinction from internal links.  But once it is clear that something
is a link to a file, I guess you are right  that it might not be needed in
HTML.  We will see what breaks.

Carsten

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Nicolas Goaziou 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Kaushal Modi  writes:
>
> > I don't see why "file://" would be useful in html exports
>
> OK. Il remove the file:// scheme specifications then.
>
> > (or pdf, md, etc).
>
> Well, those are not related to network based protocols. Does it really
> make a difference in those cases?
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Nicolas Goaziou
>
>


[O] 911 and Call Centers was employment stats that don't change (fwd)

2017-07-08 Thread Jude DaShiell
Is org-mode or a special-purpose contribution being used to handle 911 
response centers and call center activities?

If not, is org-mode even feasible for this kind of work?



--


-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 09:50:47
From: Lisa Belville 
Reply-To: Blind exchange and discussion 
To: blin...@listserv.icors.org
Subject: 911 and Call Centers was employment stats that don't change

Here's some discussion about working as a 911 dispatcher and/or general call 
center reps from a blindness-oriented web site.Notice how critical the 
access to real time information is.


https://www.zonebbs.com/boards.php?t=30408

Lisa

Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com
I'm great at multi-tasking. I can waste time, be unproductive, and 
procrastinate all at once.




Re: [O] 911 and Call Centers was employment stats that don't change (fwd)

2017-07-08 Thread Eric Abrahamsen
Jude DaShiell  writes:

> Is org-mode or a special-purpose contribution being used to handle 911
> response centers and call center activities?
> If not, is org-mode even feasible for this kind of work?

That sounds like a pretty bad idea -- it's not the kind of work Org was
made for, and more importantly that's an area where you'd need some
hard requirements for reliability and security. Not very compatible with
Org's more... flexible approach!


> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 09:50:47
> From: Lisa Belville 
> Reply-To: Blind exchange and discussion 
> To: blin...@listserv.icors.org
> Subject: 911 and Call Centers was employment stats that don't change
>
> Here's some discussion about working as a 911 dispatcher and/or
> general call center reps from a blindness-oriented web site.Notice
> how critical the access to real time information is.
>
> https://www.zonebbs.com/boards.php?t=30408
>
> Lisa
>
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> I'm great at multi-tasking. I can waste time, be unproductive, and
> procrastinate all at once.




[O] Documentation problem?

2017-07-08 Thread Thomas S. Dye
Aloha all,

At 14.6, the manual says:

  The "Library of Babel" is a collection of code blocks.  Like a function
  library, these code blocks can be called from other Org files.  This
  collection is in a repository file in Org mode format in the `doc'
  directory of Org mode installation.

The last sentence seems vague to me, and based on my likely partial
understanding of some of the terms, it seems contradictory, too.

What is meant by a "repository file"? Does "repository" express
something about the file's location in the Org mode ecosystem, or does
it refer to the contents of the file, which serves as a repository for
source code blocks?

When I read "Org mode installation" I think about the Org mode files
installed on my computer.  Yet, the org-plus-contrib package from ELPA
lacks both a `doc' directory and library-of-babel.org.  Perhaps I'm
mis-interpreting something, but this last sentence seems demonstrably
false to me.

Is this:

 1) user error?
 2) a documentation problem?
 3) a problem with the ELPA org-plus-contrib installation?

All the best,
Tom

--
Thomas S. Dye
http://www.tsdye.com



Re: [O] why prepend "file://" to abs paths in html output?

2017-07-08 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello,

Carsten Dominik  writes:

> I think it can be useful to write file: in the org-mode file, to make a
> clear distinction from internal links.  But once it is clear that something
> is a link to a file, I guess you are right  that it might not be needed in
> HTML.  We will see what breaks.

Thinking about it, we should probably not remove the "file://" prefix.

I cannot think of any situation where [[/absolute/path/to/file]] would
match something like "", because "/"
never matches web root directory.

IOW, to re-use the OP's example, [[/static/images/unicorn.jpg]] is never
a valid Org link, in the sense that it points to a non-existing file.
Since the OP is writing a link only valid during HTML export, he might
as well write raw HTML.

Note that that "file:///static/images/unicorn.jpg" is not useful either,
but at least it is logical.

The only situation where we might do something is during publishing,
when we know what web root directory – i.e., base directory – is. In
that case, we could replace absolute file names starting with web root
dir as root-relative URL.

WDYT?

Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou



[O] Easy Templates

2017-07-08 Thread William McCoy
I am fairly new to orgmode and I have just begun trying to use source 
code blocks.  I have a simple question that is not made clear in the 
Orgmode Manual.


The manual states that to insert an Easy Template for a source code 
block, use:



`<<>' `' `' 



and then


`<' `l' `' 



to label it for LaTeX.  But I cannot find anywhere in the manual where 
the `<<>' is explained.  The section on typographical conventions says 
nothing about this.


Can someone tell exactly what to type to insert a template for, say, 
LaTeX or emacs-lisp?


Thanks, Bill



Re: [O] Easy Templates

2017-07-08 Thread Marco Wahl
Hi!

> I am fairly new to orgmode and I have just begun trying to use source
> code blocks.  I have a simple question that is not made clear in the
> Orgmode Manual.
>
> The manual states that to insert an Easy Template for a source code
> block, use:
>
>
> `<<>' `' `' 
>
>
> and then
>
>
> `<' `l' `' 
>
>
> to label it for LaTeX.  But I cannot find anywhere in the manual where
> the `<<>' is explained.  The section on typographical conventions says
> nothing about this.

IMHO you found an inconsistency in the documentation.  `<<>' looks like
a weird doubled quoting to me.

> Can someone tell exactly what to type to insert a template for, say,
> LaTeX or emacs-lisp?

To get a source block template for emacs-lisp easily you could type the
three keys `<' `s' `' and then type literally "emacs-lisp".


HTH,
Marco





Re: [O] Easy Templates

2017-07-08 Thread William McCoy

Marco,

Thanks very much!  Now it is clear to me.  I didn't see or understand 
that the `<<>' was a literal `<'.  So that actually makes sense to me now.


Bill

On 07/08/2017 05:14 PM, Marco Wahl wrote:

Hi!


I am fairly new to orgmode and I have just begun trying to use source
code blocks.  I have a simple question that is not made clear in the
Orgmode Manual.

The manual states that to insert an Easy Template for a source code
block, use:


`<<>' `' `'


and then


`<' `l' `'


to label it for LaTeX.  But I cannot find anywhere in the manual where
the `<<>' is explained.  The section on typographical conventions says
nothing about this.


IMHO you found an inconsistency in the documentation.  `<<>' looks like
a weird doubled quoting to me.


Can someone tell exactly what to type to insert a template for, say,
LaTeX or emacs-lisp?


To get a source block template for emacs-lisp easily you could type the
three keys `<' `s' `' and then type literally "emacs-lisp".


HTH,
 Marco
 








Re: [O] why prepend "file://" to abs paths in html output?

2017-07-08 Thread Tim Cross
Ni Nicolas,

I think I agree.

If I export org files as HTML for use on my local system, I probably
want 'real' links and file:/// is probably the right thing as I don't
want to have to also install the files in a local web server. However,
when I want to export files to HTML and have them served by a web
server, file:/// is not the right thing.

Perhaps we need a way to easily set a context for web exports. If the
context is set, then use it, otherwise, use file:/// (actually, I
thought this was already there, but it has been a while since I did html
exports where links were necessary).

Tim

Nicolas Goaziou writes:

> Hello,
>
> Carsten Dominik  writes:
>
>> I think it can be useful to write file: in the org-mode file, to make a
>> clear distinction from internal links.  But once it is clear that something
>> is a link to a file, I guess you are right  that it might not be needed in
>> HTML.  We will see what breaks.
>
> Thinking about it, we should probably not remove the "file://" prefix.
>
> I cannot think of any situation where [[/absolute/path/to/file]] would
> match something like "", because "/"
> never matches web root directory.
>
> IOW, to re-use the OP's example, [[/static/images/unicorn.jpg]] is never
> a valid Org link, in the sense that it points to a non-existing file.
> Since the OP is writing a link only valid during HTML export, he might
> as well write raw HTML.
>
> Note that that "file:///static/images/unicorn.jpg" is not useful either,
> but at least it is logical.
>
> The only situation where we might do something is during publishing,
> when we know what web root directory – i.e., base directory – is. In
> that case, we could replace absolute file names starting with web root
> dir as root-relative URL.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Regards,


-- 
Tim Cross



Re: [O] 911 and Call Centers was employment stats that don't change (fwd)

2017-07-08 Thread Tim Cross

I doubt it would be feasible.

Things like 911 call centres need real-time responsive apps which
interface with different emergency services and where tasks are shared
across a team and data is recorded in a consistent and standardised
manner. They also need to be robust, fault tolerant and distributed with
the ability to interface with many different comms channels.

Bottom line, a highly complex system with demanding requirements that
can be tested and are reproducible.

Org is not strong in the collaboration area, does not interface well
with other systems in real-time, is free form and unstructured and
unlikely to handle the complex requirements of an emergency call
centre. You will likely find there are only a handful of recognised apps
which fulfil the requirements and they will be very
specialised. Unfortunately, they are likely to also have very poor
accessibility support.

Tim

Jude DaShiell writes:

> Is org-mode or a special-purpose contribution being used to handle 911 
> response centers and call center activities?
> If not, is org-mode even feasible for this kind of work?


-- 
Tim Cross