[Orgmode] secret of Carstens speed

2007-12-02 Thread Rustom Mody
I know this is somewhat OT but... Gawd Carsten you are just too fast!
We newbies cant keep up with learning org mode with the speed with
which you produce it! I donwloaded one tgz yesterday (my 2nd download
in a month, 3rd if I count the 4.67c that comes with bundled with
etch) and theres a new one today!

Can we have some tips on your productivity? Yeah sure you use emacs
and org-mode but there must be other things as well I guess.
What emacs modes do you (most) use.
What are the other aspects/steps of your toolchain for rolling out a
new release?
etc etc

Rustom


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Re: [Orgmode] secret of Carstens speed

2007-12-02 Thread Manish
On Dec 2, 2007 2:17 PM, Rustom Mody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know this is somewhat OT but... Gawd Carsten you are just too fast!
> We newbies cant keep up with learning org mode with the speed with
> which you produce it! I donwloaded one tgz yesterday (my 2nd download
> in a month, 3rd if I count the 4.67c that comes with bundled with
> etch) and theres a new one today!
>

ditto.

> Can we have some tips on your productivity? Yeah sure you use emacs
> and org-mode but there must be other things as well I guess.
> What emacs modes do you (most) use.
> What are the other aspects/steps of your toolchain for rolling out a
> new release?
> etc etc

+1
Please.


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Re: [Orgmode] Tables and hidden emphasis bug

2007-12-02 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 12/2/07, Scott Otterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's a small bug with hidden emphasis markers inside of tables.  In
> the attached org file, if I have org-hide-emphasis-markers set to true,
> then in the 2nd to last row (starting with 04878) the first and last
> columns are incorrectly left justified.

Yes, there is a bug there - it may be hard to fix.  We'll see.

Thanks for the report.

- Carsten


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[Orgmode] Re: secret of Carstens speed

2007-12-02 Thread Leo
On 2007-12-02 08:47 +, Rustom Mody wrote:
> I know this is somewhat OT but... Gawd Carsten you are just too fast!
> We newbies cant keep up with learning org mode with the speed with
> which you produce it! I donwloaded one tgz yesterday (my 2nd download
> in a month, 3rd if I count the 4.67c that comes with bundled with
> etch) and theres a new one today!

Nobody forces you to upgrade. I am using 5.13 and it works just fine.

>
> Can we have some tips on your productivity? Yeah sure you use emacs
> and org-mode but there must be other things as well I guess.
> What emacs modes do you (most) use.
> What are the other aspects/steps of your toolchain for rolling out a
> new release?
> etc etc
>
> Rustom

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: secret of Carstens speed

2007-12-02 Thread Rustom Mody
On Dec 2, 2007 4:31 PM, Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Nobody forces you to upgrade. I am using 5.13 and it works just fine.

Of course.

Its one's own need ultimately. 5.15 had the feature of automatic
remember filing which I thought was important. 5.16 does not (as far
as I know) have something that I need (right now).

So one upgrade was needed, one not. Anyhow upgrading is a fairly
simple business.
After untarring, edit the line
(add-to-list 'load-path "~/path-to-my/org-5.16")
in myorgsetup.el. No need for make-ing

My real point was the second one -- what makes Carsten so terrifically
productive?

As said earlier, this may be OT in a technical sense but I guess
everyone who is using org mode and even more, those striving to
improve their usage of org-mode, are interested in productivity --
hence I thought it ok to put the question.

If its inappropriate, sorry :-)

Rustom


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RE: [Orgmode] org-refile hack to show headings

2007-12-02 Thread Chris Randle
Max Mikhanosha wrote:
> Glad you liked my setup. I can't help but recommend using
> http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/Icicles library. 
> 
> In case you never heard of it, icicles is to TAB completion what TAB
> completion is to typing things manually every time. In my setup (I
> think this is a default too) TAB does the prefix completion (like
> Emacs), but Shift-Tab matches the regexp.   

I'm still quite new to Org-mode (and Emacs too), so forgive me if this
is a dumb question: How do you cope with the clash of binding with S-TAB
which Org-mode uses in visibility cycling and table cell navigation?
Have you simply rebound one or the other, or is there a more subtle
workaround?

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Re: [Orgmode] org-refile hack to show headings

2007-12-02 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 12/2/07, Chris Randle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Max Mikhanosha wrote:
> > Glad you liked my setup. I can't help but recommend using
> > http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/Icicles library.
> >
> > In case you never heard of it, icicles is to TAB completion what TAB
> > completion is to typing things manually every time. In my setup (I
> > think this is a default too) TAB does the prefix completion (like
> > Emacs), but Shift-Tab matches the regexp.
>
> I'm still quite new to Org-mode (and Emacs too), so forgive me if this
> is a dumb question: How do you cope with the clash of binding with S-TAB
> which Org-mode uses in visibility cycling and table cell navigation?
> Have you simply rebound one or the other, or is there a more subtle
> workaround?

Org-mode has many keys that behave different in different locations.
TAB and S-TAB have special meanings in tables.  If you want to use
the local visibility cycling of TAB, the cursor must be on a headline.
If you want to use the global visibility cycling of S-TAB, the cursor
must be outside a table.

- Carsten


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Re: [Orgmode] Latex Export

2007-12-02 Thread Russell Adams
Based on this discussion, I think I have a valid feature request.

The exporters all refuse to export text before the first headline. I
agree with that.

However I'm including per buffer options at the top of my file,
#+OPTIONS and the like. Turns out that #+BEGIN_LaTeX and #+END_LaTeX
before the first headline are considered comments and not exported.

This is a problem where I'm trying to select a style or define
variables used later in LaTeX code.

I think that BEGIN/END latex should be considered configuration data
like other /^#/ directives and exported before the first headline.

Comments?

On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 01:14:30AM -0600, Russell Adams wrote:
> > Actually, we really *lack* a tutorial on the LaTeX export.
> 
> A tutorial would be fantastic, I'd having issues with even basic
> customization.
> 
> Do you have any sample documents you could share?
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: [Orgmode] secret of Carstens speed

2007-12-02 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 12/2/07, Rustom Mody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know this is somewhat OT but... Gawd Carsten you are just too fast!
> We newbies cant keep up with learning org mode with the speed with
> which you produce it! I donwloaded one tgz yesterday (my 2nd download
> in a month, 3rd if I count the 4.67c that comes with bundled with
> etch) and theres a new one today!
>
> Can we have some tips on your productivity? Yeah sure you use emacs
> and org-mode but there must be other things as well I guess.
> What emacs modes do you (most) use.
> What are the other aspects/steps of your toolchain for rolling out a
> new release?
> etc etc

Hi Rustom,

Well, a good friend of mine saw this question from you today,
and she was kind enough to suggest to me:

> maybe you should confess that you are working on org mode
> whenever you want to avoid doing other more urgent things...

Well, think it is definitely true that I am using Org-mode to
procrastinate.

On a bright note, I believe that you can easily be efficient at
doing what you love to do. I get a big kick out of creating and
maintaining this community, there a few things I enjoy more.

To answer your question more seriously:

Much of the development around Org-mode is organized around
mail.  All mails that com into emacs-orgmode I immediately sort
into bugs, other ideas I'd like to at least think about, and stuff
I don't need to do anything about (thanks to people like Bastien...)

I do have a 1 hour train ride to work and another hour back, and I
tend to spend at least one of these valuable, completely un-interrupted
time slots working on Org-mode.  Plus one of two evenings a week.
I try very hard to not do anything on it at work except for an
occasional email.

I have set things up so that releasing and uploading a new version
is as easy as

  make relup TAG=5.16

so it is easy to do.

My computer setup:  I do work mostly on a MacBook Pro, with
x11 installed, using an X11 version of Emacs - I've spent too
many years in that environment to give that up easily.

I am not a touch typer, I use 6-8 Fingers and make lots of mistakes
as all of you know who have tried to read and fix my documentation.

So there is no secret at all, it is just the joy of doing it, the drive
of feedback from you all, and a bit of addiction.
Well, there are worse things one could be addicted to...

- Carsten


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Re: [Orgmode] Re: secret of Carstens speed

2007-12-02 Thread Eddward DeVilla
On Dec 2, 2007 5:01 AM, Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2007-12-02 08:47 +, Rustom Mody wrote:
> > I know this is somewhat OT but... Gawd Carsten you are just too fast!
> > We newbies cant keep up with learning org mode with the speed with
> > which you produce it! I donwloaded one tgz yesterday (my 2nd download
> > in a month, 3rd if I count the 4.67c that comes with bundled with
> > etch) and theres a new one today!
>
> Nobody forces you to upgrade. I am using 5.13 and it works just fine.

True.  I stay back level when there aren't any update I need and I'm
too busy to experiment.  Still, it frighteningly impressive how
quickly Carsten can add significant updates to org-mode when he's on a
roll.  He's good.

Edd


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[Orgmode] org-refile

2007-12-02 Thread Jose A. Ortega Ruiz

Hi.

I'm very happy with the new org-refile, but the current way of
specifying the target node is, IMHO, not as convenient as it could be.
For instance, if i specify levels up to, say, 2 as targets, and have
duplicated headlines at said level:

* Project A
** Tasks
** Resources
* Project B
** Tasks
** Resources

the completion shows only the first occurrence of 'Tasks' and
'Resources'. What i do now is giving them different names, but it's a
bit artificial:

* Project A
** Project A tasks
** Project A resources
* Project B
** Project B tasks
** Project B resources

For situations like this one, it would help a lot having the option of
interactively selecting the target node in the same way as one selects
it after invoking org-remember. A second option would be to have
completion for all headlines in a hierarchical way, navigating the
outline tree at the mini-buffer prompt as if one where navigating a
file tree after C-xC-f. Finally, a (quick?) workaround would be to
show the target names as 'full-paths', e.g. Project A/Tasks, Project
B/Tasks in the first example above.

What do you think?

Regards,
jao

P.D. I've looked a bit at org.el to try to implement this myself, but
unfortunately my time is right now too short for the amount of code
involved :-(.



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Re: [Orgmode] Latex Export

2007-12-02 Thread Bastien
Hi Russell,

Russell Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The exporters all refuse to export text before the first headline. I
> agree with that.

The exporters skip text before the first headline only if you set the
relevant option:

#+OPTIONS: skip:t

If you don't specify anything about this in the #+OPTIONS line, then the
exporters will fall back on `org-export-skip-text-before-1st-heading'.

This applies to normal text as well as text inside #+BEGIN_LaTeX and
#+END_LaTeX markers.

But this does not apply to text after #+TEXT though.  This text is
*always* exported.

> However I'm including per buffer options at the top of my file,
> #+OPTIONS and the like. Turns out that #+BEGIN_LaTeX and #+END_LaTeX
> before the first headline are considered comments and not exported.
>
> This is a problem where I'm trying to select a style or define
> variables used later in LaTeX code.

I think the right way to do this is to set a local value for the
variable `org-export-latex-append-header' at the end of your file:

,
| * COMMENT LaTeX local variable
| 
| # Local Variables:
| # org-export-latex-append-header: "\\usepackage{fancyhrd}"
| # End:
`

This will append "\usepackage{fancyhrd}" to the LaTeX header that is
defined in `org-export-latex-classes'.

> I think that BEGIN/END latex should be considered configuration data
> like other /^#/ directives and exported before the first headline.
>
> Comments?

#+BEGIN_LaTeX and #+END_LaTeX have a more general purpose than just
 adding "configuration" and you should be able to use them anywhere 
in the Org source.  

I think the real question is: what people are doing of #+TEXT?  

Is it useful as it is now ("this text comes before the first heading,
overriding the skip option")?  Or should it be redefined so as to mean
"This piece of text should be inserted in the *header* of the target
format?"

Comment?

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Re: [Orgmode] org-refile

2007-12-02 Thread Carsten Dominik
Hi Jose,

On Dec 2, 2007 9:19 PM, Jose A. Ortega Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Hi.
>
> I'm very happy with the new org-refile, but the current way of
> specifying the target node is, IMHO, not as convenient as it could be.
> For instance, if i specify levels up to, say, 2 as targets, and have
> duplicated headlines at said level:
>
> * Project A
> ** Tasks
> ** Resources
> * Project B
> ** Tasks
> ** Resources
>
> the completion shows only the first occurrence of 'Tasks' and
> 'Resources'. What i do now is giving them different names, but it's a
> bit artificial:
>
> * Project A
> ** Project A tasks
> ** Project A resources
> * Project B
> ** Project B tasks
> ** Project B resources
>
> For situations like this one, it would help a lot having the option of
> interactively selecting the target node in the same way as one selects
> it after invoking org-remember.


The idea of using the org-goto interface (which is what org-remember-handler
 uses for interactive filing), but IIRC Max has pointed out correctly
that this interface is way too slow for this task.  It is OK for occasional
use, and if you are comfortable with it, you can use it during remember
to file your note.  However, if remember has collected some 10 tasks
during a day and you need to go through this interface 10 times
in succession, you will immediately get tired of it.  Opening another window
and doing cut-and-paste from one window to the other would probably
be better.

A second option would be to have
> completion for all headlines in a hierarchical way, navigating the
> outline tree at the mini-buffer prompt as if one where navigating a
> file tree after C-xC-f. Finally, a (quick?) workaround would be to
> show the target names as 'full-paths', e.g. Project A/Tasks, Project
> B/Tasks in the first example above.


It might be worth looking into disambiguating (is that a word???)
duplicate headlines, or indeed make the hierarchy look like
a path or even complete like find-file.  Not a bad idea at all.

C-c r o Implement way to distinguish identical headlines for org-refile C-c
C-c


- Carsten
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[Orgmode] 5.16 install fails

2007-12-02 Thread Philip Rooke
I am trying to install 5.16.  The first make step is failing for me.
The last few lines of output are:

[...]
Wrote /home/phil/src/contrib/emacs/org-5.16/org-mouse.elc
emacs -batch -q -eval "(add-to-list (quote load-path) \".\")" -f 
batch-byte-compile org-export-latex.el
Wrote /home/phil/src/contrib/emacs/org-5.16/org-export-latex.elc
Graph cycles through org-install.el

`all' not remade because of errors.

$

I've never seen that "Graph cycles..." error before.  Any ideas what I
have done wrong?

Thanks,

Phil


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